How Gaijin Can Fix War Thunder
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- After the recent backlash about economy changes, Gaijin asked content creators for feedback on War Thunder in general. That got me thinking about everything I would change if I were in a position to do so.
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How Gaijin Can Fix War Thunder - Hry
I once made a team slayer map in Halo Reach that my friends called "pretty damn bad" so basically I'm qualified to comment on game design I think
Ye
The expert
Bro PLEASE do Halo content
they should make the grind faster
I think that makes you more competent than Gaijin map developers
I like how Gaijin nerfed traction because of certain spots, when they literally had an update where various out of bounds areas were expanded. Which not only rendered the traction nerfs redundant, but proved they had a much simpler and less annoying solution.
Not to mention, in several areas like Japan they added the "RETURN BACK TO BATTLE" areas on the hills. They could have just done that many times more.
I'll give gaijin 5% of credit here they did after for feedback with two surveys on the new traction in the dev server and reverted the changes after feedback. However maps are the issue, not the vehicles.
I remember the fix for Vietnam and questioned why the nerf to traction even had to happen.
The good ole gaijin double nerf
Or they could also, you know, just fix their damn maps and stop making awful ones. Pretty sure their map design team has never actually played the game before.
Here is a great way to stop the controversy over up tiers... If you are up tiered, depending on the amount of the up tier you get an sl and rp boost. People sometimes leave up tiers because they know they will just loose sl after dying... but if they get a boost then there is an incentive to actually play the up tier instead of leaving and queuing another nation(which I do quite a lot)
Actually genius
Agreed. One death leavers really hurt those of us that stick it out and have to repair 3 vehicles on a game we had no chance because half the team left in the first 2 minutes
This should not even be a discussion point but build into the game since day one.
If you are uptiered the odds are stacked against you - you doing well despite this means you most likely did pretty good and should be rewarded accordingly.
Or just do the 0.7 is max uptier
Pretty sure you currently get a passive bonus to rewards for killing higher BR vehicles than your own, same as you get a passive nerf for killing lower BR vehicles. But if if that bonus doesnt exist, it absolutely should, or should be made larger.
For the economy: I'd love to see boosters changed to things you retroactively apply rather than forced over the next 5 or so games. No pressure for when a match goes wrong, and not feeling forced to keep playing a specific mode for however long it lasts.
And that it isn’t removed after a certain time if you don’t use it I cannot tell you how many times I’ve had a horrible game which leads me to think should o use this booster in the next match or not
After every match, an "Apply Booster" button pops up at the stats screen, where you can apply one of the boosters you have to that game's results. Simple, and they'd get a ton of community goodwill.
That would be awesome but I doubt the snail would go for it.
@@OriginalBlackmoore And it is also a reasen to buy then because it issent gampling anymore
Or do it like how COD does it, where it allows you to enable it in game.
@@OriginalBlackmoore WG did it, so I think Gaijin can too
Gaijin : Oh no people are mad and boycotting the game what should I do ?
‘After contacting 1 war thunder content creator’
Gaijin : Kawaii add is out now and there is a body pillow cosmetic officially in game
That content creator (Although not in the CC program) is Daebom.
@@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933 daebom🤮
@@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933 idk how they arent in the cc program, they put a lot more effort than most content creators already in the program.
@@p40o What's wrong with Daebom? Is is because he make anime related content and your a hater?
@@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933 According to Daebom's video, they only did the animation, someone else did the character art. And they were hired a month ago as well.
Another very niche thing is when a crewmember gets swapped halfway through reloading and for some reason the whole process restarts. The loader was ready to ram the shell into the breech but somehow him taking the driver's spot caused the shell to teleport back to it's rack. It's neither realistic nor fun. Either give us the option to keep the loader where he is until he's done reloading or continue the reload from where it left of but with the "no loader' penalty.
Agree
There was a post on the news feed that said they were working on loading "checkpoints" I don't remember what they said exactly, just that it would save progress something like 50%, I think they are adding this soon
I just played five minutes ago and that happened to me twice, getting me killed both times
@@Just_A_B3AN That sounds good, but isn't really a fix for this problem, although it will help with it. What you are describing is for cases where the loader or gunner get killed halfway into loading and cause realoading to restart. In these cases it makes sense that the loading goes back to a "checkpoint" because these still need to have downsides. The loader replaced the driver while reloading should have practically no punishment to it.
I had a match the other day in my IS2, and I was just about done reloading when my gunner came back. Well I had to reload all over again. Unfortunately I was killed because of the extra long reload.
Shells having reduced hitbox is actually accurate to how they interact with armor on impact as majority of the shell's impact energy is, in fact, concentrated in the small cylindrical "rod" at the center of it. As such, the shell can easily "squeeze" through openings that are significantly below its size.
And it's something I personally wanted to be done for a while as it would solve a lot of issues with weird skirts and mantlets.
Tbh this
If Gaijin would actually make a lot of the shells and damage models work how they are supposed to, Warthunder would be a whole different game. Tons of stuff would change very drastically. Namely APHE, AP, APDS and how certain chemical round (i.e HESH, HE and HEAT) would behave.
Best example I can tell for APDS and HEAT/HESH are:
Panzer VI P (the command variety) has some bolt-on armor which makes practically any APDS shell shatter - For no reason. It doesnt add volumetric characteristics irl or change impact-shock towards the APDS shell. It's just bad design. (The front plate is incorrectly given 102mm (2x) where the "imaginary" version was only build having 100mm (2x). But i.e. the British Shot SV Mk.1 APDS has 269mm pen, after which it should start non-penning/shattering - Where do the remaining 69mm of pen until failure go ?)
And any ~9.3-11.0 HEATFS cant pen ERA/NERA elements, but somehow can overpressure them. I'm glad I get kills with a stock round that, in that environment, is completely useless 99% of times, but that's silly - Specifically considering HESH (from personal experience even that of the FV4005) doesnt overpressure anything it doesnt happen to land directly beneath. Seriously, A tiger 2 or T34 surviving a HESH shell to the upper front plate, turret cheek and/or turret/hull side nor is not gonna overpressure, while a tiny 130g HEATFS will ? (The L1 HESH doesnt even overpressure open-tops at times - It rips holes in warships the size of the tanks you shoot at. It needs two loaders for Christs sake).
The shell calibre to become smaller makes sense in a way because shells compress as they pass through armor.
Yeah a 120mm APSDFS round isn’t 120mm when it discards it’s sabots
@@cameron1999camwell yea, 120mm is the caliber of the gun..
i cant with that first clip of the paper getting shredded 😂
what's so funny about it that's literally just footage of a gaijin employee's workstation
Thats the economy roadmap thats gaijin promised
@@vanguardknight0490 Nah, it's the list of CC supplied ideas to fix things.
I want to see gaijin devs play a completely stock vehicle and see how much fun they have
Especially the ones with historically questionable and next to unusable solid shot as default.
@@bartholomewdan you mean any British low tier tank then... playing the Churchill 1 nearly broke me until i left arcade mode behind, starting the out a noob in the British tech was a really bad idea lol
@@CreatureOfTheVoid A lot of those low tier UK tanks actually did use solid shot so those 2 pounders aren't historically wrong, but I think they need to mess with ammo in general, especially spalling, and the damage radius of APHE. APHE still mostly damages in a cone, not a sphere. Also, hitting more solid armor with solid shot that you can still get through causes more spalling, not less, where currently in game residual pen being lower causes less damage. ACPR also still causes nearly as much spalling as standard AP, though a little less. Basically APHE overperforms while ACPR underperforms, and the UK suffers.
i want gaijin to play a br 11.7 stock tank, see how much fun they have trying to pen anything with HEAT FS.
I want to see them play anything low tier and see how many shermans and panzer III/IVs they run into but cant pen.
A mechanic i can suggest is that blowout-panel equipped tanks can be ammo-racked when they are hit while reloading (since blast door is open).
One feature i would love to see, and i think would help the flow of tank battles is, that you can replenish 1x crew member at each Point, so if you want to get your 2 loaders back, you are encouraged to drive from A to B and therefore either capture or defend it
Good idea, also replenish FPE once at every cap you visit maybe?
@@iffracem Yes and no, i think that the 2 FPE are fine since for me, i don’t get set on fire that often, but it could also be a feature they could or need to add, yes.
them dumbasses won't find a way to implement this without a plethora of bugs involving caps, they took half a year fixing sound and broke planes' sounds and then the tanks
sound wasnt even fixed, now its been 2 months since the "dead enemies looking alive"
@@iffracem i see IS player here
I think the premium weekend would actually be an awesome addition. It could even allow me to actually unlock the type 10 without having to suffer for the next 47 years.
Fr, i just want Japan Balance. I don’t wanna bounce every type-10
Shell to a tank it should go straight through
This is absolutely not happening, it is a good idea but gaijin alerady treats free to play users like they robbed them and free to play players owe them a kidney or something.
Thank you and other content creators for trying to make the game better for us!
Yup. Hate the ones who constantly says everything is alright like they don't already have everything in the game and get free shit from the snail.
Trying being the working word there.
this wasn't submitted in an actual forum or to the devs, as he stated. this won't even be taken into consideration.
@@jimmyfuchstein2274 at least he’s taking his time to make proposition instead of just ignoring
@@philfree286 I think he's just giving feedback and ideas. Most people understand if warthunder was going to change they'd have done it years ago.
Idea: make it so you can tell crew “don’t switch”. This way, a tank can’t kill you by repeatedly shooting your driver
Yeah that mechanic would make the game worse not better. Chances of a crew staying in a tank when the enemy has demonstrated the ability to repeatedly pen their armor to lethal effect are not high.
I understand your frustration though, it’s too easy to pick out the weak spots of otherwise proof armor because of many factors.
i think if a tank is still able to shoot back or move to cover its crew is not going to exit as armor still gives them some protection and in the open they could get cut down by small arms fire
@@mosadcoow I mean like if only the front of your tank is exposed, and it is just your driver there you wont be stuck there dying one crew at a time.
@Bearded Viking Strongman It's pretty well documented for crew to abandon tanks upon a penetration. Even if the tank can move or fire back, the armor isn't working and it's unlikely the crew is any condition to engage the target after a pentrating hit, assuming they even know where it came from. You're chances of being hit and surviving are far greater if you exit while under small arms fire than to risk your luck against a tank shell and all the shrapnel bouncing around in a metal box.
@@mosadcoow If all the crew in the turret or hull has been killed it is denied at least one of those options. Again, our whole endless debate about buffing/nerfing APHE vs solid shot is a product of the very artificial victory conditions of Gaijin. “Fire until it burns” was the standard instruction in war for tanks but in WT setting a tank on fire is semi-useless, for example. In the case of fire, if we are going to have fire extinguishing at all then the crew shouldn’t be able to do anything else. I’ve killed my fair share of enemy while I was burning, but it’s a bad mechanic.
Tank combat in WT is kind of like the mess swordplay becomes when the participants quit really trying to hit *without* being hit.
I think one of the major problems for me personally is Gaijin's map design in general. So many maps make it really easy to spawn camp one side in particular, some even from half the map away. I'd rather have more back and forth ground battles than just one team getting to the other's spawn and that pretty much ends the game
There's some maps they have where both sides shoot into each others spawns, they need to straight up fix that. I remember one match where we got kirsk at 11.7 and as soon as either side spawned (there was only 1 point so it force both sides into a particularly terrible spawn), both were immediately just shooting each other. I also dislike a couple others that are like that. Some maps give one side's spawn actual cover while the other side is spawned in the open so they can be shot. It's weird/poor design.
@@Isaak0700 Middle East is a prime exemple of that, the team spawning on the hillside can snipe anyone going out of the A-side spawn, and even those on the way to the zone, all that without even going out of the spawn or a few meters out of it up the nearby hill
Don't quote me on this, but I read someone mention something recently about how they outsource map designs to some 3rd party, and only have 1 dev in studio actually work on anything map related.
@@Venicilia Yeah I heard something similar too
I would actually agree with your economic suggestion for the game, as a student with barely any time to play, the idea of having premium on the weekend would be a major win for everyone, as it would be easier and let's everyone enjoy the game again
Even though I'm not a high ranking player, I'm still current at tier 4, money is getting tough, like the amount of SL is kind of not enough
@@judemurielbonite6054 Same. I just started researching the German M48 right at the beginning of T5 and in the meantime I'm still saving up money to be able to crew my Tiger 2 H. I'm basically in a perpetual state of saving up for a while--> buying/crewing something --> being left with 20k SL to my name, and in the meantime I've researched another, even more expensive vehicle. One bad match and I'm down 10k, which would take one fairly decent game or two mediocre games to make back up. It's just ludicrous.
@@judemurielbonite6054 tbh I play warthunder alot and I mean everyday and I tell you I basically quit when I was in t5 because I had to buy three different takes to get leopard 1 and kugelblitz and I have no patience to grind for 900k
The old system of 2x bonuses once per day and 5x bonuses weekly was great, although that's been gone for almost 10 years now I think. Basically every day, your first battle in each country would get a 200% boost, I forget if it was SL, RP, or both. 500% once a week for all countries
@@masondecker5218 I think they should bring that back, a lot of people would play the game again, or convince the newer players to play the game, but it wouldn't be without any drawbacks...
Gaijin representatives and employees: We'll assume we didn't hear all that.
Suggestion: Make it so that you are able to apply your Boosters AFTER the match. I think this would make people happpier and more would buy boosters.
And make the myth of the WT curse go away.
I like it but if we re honest thats utterly broken
@@adhx7506 It really isn't. Boosting your earnings Isn't supposed to be a gamble.
@@epion660 I agree, I don't want to use my 200% sl boost just to be put in an complete uptier where my tank is obliterated by a sniper, then I respawn just to get bombed by a CAS.
I wish, but it would probably lead to gaijin increasing the price of boosters and placing them behind a paywall since its technically better than a premium account if you buy high reward boosters
As bushes are currently, they are more of a replacement for camo nets than a separate addition. If gaijin spends time making camo nets for each vehicle, they have less time to put more vehicles in the next update, which is the end of the world because they think if they don't add 10 new vehicles every update the players will leave.
99% of the 10 new vehicles most players will never even get not to mention half of them are wack anyway
Bold of us to even dream that gaijin will do something to the game that wont affect the players on a bad way
Its just "create the problem and sell the solution" at its finest thats why rank VII premiums exist
This is the same company that runs crossoit , where a top tier weapon will take you years to grind or cost you over 400 pounds 😂 devs are neyond greedy
The premium weekends was an wonderful idea. I suppose it would be a win win situation, because people tend to buy vehicles when they're on sale. Great idea!
The thing is sales need to be rare enough so people have to guess when the next one will be, instead of going like "nah I'll buy it in next month's sale" and end up never buying anything
@@haley746 Fair point
It's nice to hear your comments on the current soundscape. I remember when I could track vehicles, especially planes, accurately. The quality of sounds in War Thunder has gone up generally, but it has been very poorly optimized for some time.
I definitely want more decorations that don’t cost real money, I feel camo nets and sand bags would help add personality to the tanks they are put on
I’m gonna heavily agree with the engine noise. If I’m playing tanks I don’t want the sound of a dam b-17 coming from a team member near me
As well as the obvious sound overhauls, a separate volume slider for planes would be great (but capped at 50% or something). It's not fun when I'm trying to listen to a nearby enemy but not being able to hear it because of the sheer number of obscenely loud planes flying overhead.
Especially the sl talisman and rp boost gains for ground is something i 1000% would love to see and previously theorized, i would buy so many sl talismans for vehicles, and the camo net and sand bag decoration idea is great, would love to see, the camo nets i'd love if they worked similar to unlockable camos where you get 100 kills on the vehicle then you get a camo net, it would be cool, but probably this is all just spit balling and never will be introduced but overall i heavily agree
I also really like the camo net idea! I think they would look much better than the bushes especially since each one would need to be tailor made for each vehicle, though knowing how Gaijin operates it would just be Germany, US, and Soviets that get them with everyone else stuck in the 'rolled out eventually' category.
@@commandoepsilon4664 yeah sadly it indeed would be another monetization option but hey, we can dream hahaha
Actually the camo net thing could be fairly easy to do dynamically, you create a plane over the tank with a grid of polys, give it cloth physics, you cut it off at the neck of the turret, do the same for the body but cut at the tracks position.
Unlockable camo is probably my favourite cosmetic mechanic
One thing that Gaijin should consider too is the Ammo Rack Selector, since some tanks have good and hided ammo racks, but the game automatically put ammo at very exposed ou obvious spots in your tank, that should help quite a lot.
You could get buff/debuff depending on the distance between the loader and the ammo you put. For example, putting ammo at the back of the turret would be riskier but it would speed up reload a bit
I feel like it'd be a lot of work though
@@alexnepu1561 That would be a good or interesting mechanic for the game, especially when we are talking about high caliber guns where you get a buff at reload speed when setting you ammo at the turret for a example, nice one.
technically people already try to work around this with half or quarter load ammo.
A note on crew health, the health of your pilot used to effect your ability to fly, same way it effects crew in tanks, but they removed that feature a while ago I don't see why they couldn't remove it for tanks too.
Of course they could also make it that crew replenishment heals half dead crew as well cus even if they aren't handicapping your tank to a 15 second reload having injured crew is obviously still a problem
the sound one especially has been unending frustration for me personally recently , the amount of times that a teammates engine is deafening when they are miles away from me and yet an enemy heavy tank directly behind me is completely silent is insane , an easy fix to this is make enemy engine sounds ALWAYS take priority over friendly ones in the sound channels , cuz its ridiculous that a 70 ton tank can be inches away from me and its completely silent
Gods yes.. I can be 300m from a friendly PT-76 and it sounds like they are right next to me but for some reason that WW2 heavy tank on the other side of the building has super secret stealth sound canceling.
It's done on purpose. I've said it a million times that this game is rigged from top to bottom. It's actually really disgusting.
@@Frank-pc2rs for some reason people fight tooth and nail to refute this point but it's absolutely true in every case
@@theairplaneguy9640 They have Stockholm Syndrome. They are like battered wives who think everything is just fine. Delusional.
@@Frank-pc2rs well yeah just look at the pay out for free vehicles compared to premium vehicles, you will lose SL if you play free vehicles leaving your ownly choice to spend money
I think repair costs should also be heavily looked at, I myself am not heavily affected by it, but from my understanding some vehicles have horrendous repair costs.
Bro I get called a troll because I play tier 4 and 5 and bring tier 2 or 1 vehicles because if I play a full lineup of any tier even if I die 2 or 3 times(depending on the vehicle)and get 11 or 12 kills I lose more than I make
Or just straight up remove them
@@h3069 given the prices some of y'all are paying, shit i would argue for that
@@h3069 Honestly I really think that logistics costs (repairs and ammo) should go away. If they did that I'd even be okay with a pretty massive hit to SL gains not just because of balancing the removed fees, but at least every match would be gains even if small. It'd make the game less toxic overall, let people play their favorite vehicles, and make learning new mechanics at high BR less awful. Sure, you'll still die a bunch as you get used to the environment of guides munitions and how to counter them, and changes in where to position with things like thermals, but you won't just blow all your money trying to learn and have to go back down and grind up money again, which would also mean more consistent practice. Balancing a vehicle or ordinance with cost isn't balance, it's P2W.
@@smokeybear1597 you get 11-12 kills in tier 5 with tier 1-2 vehicles? cant believe that... maybe in arcade but even there I dont believe these stats, maybe it happened once or twice but not on a regular basis tier 1-2 vehicles cant even pen tier 5 most of the time so how should you get 11-12 kills? you would need full ammo because the enemys will take atleast 5 shots to kill
One major thing I want to see from Gaijin is, when they are making changes, a background information spreadsheet. An example of something like this for BR changes would include things such as: the time period when the stats were taken, how many unique players played that vehicle within the period of data collection, and the vehicle categories that were killed using this vehicle. Things similar to that so we can see the efficiency of the vehicle from the data and not just have to guess from the changes.
A second thing I would like to see is if something doesn't have enough unique players to get accurate data, then show the efficiency of a vehicle across all skill levels. They could drop it to some standard amount to entice more people to play it so it can be reevaluated at its new place. This will make sure that vehicles that might have gone up due to them being played by higher skilled players will be able to be reevaluated with a wider range of skill levels. It could even get its own devblog to make players aware of the reevaluation of the vehicle. These reevaluations should be separate from BR changes. A set time before BR changes are announced, a vehicle reevaluation devblog should go out outlining the vehicle and why they are being reevaluated.
i just though of a third thing is that once a year the community (filtered through CC's and some others) gets to send gaijin a single correctly formatted document of feedback and suggestions on the previous years changes that gaijin should to respond to.
I agree with basically everything you said, here is what i would add in addition
first, a small change, i think the spawn point system is weird and ambiguous. just rebalance it to be based on mission score (obviously the first spawn costs doesnt require any points.)
second, There needs to be more of an incentive to play SPAA and or otherwise have ai SPAA, hear me out. Some SPAA are very fun to play, but others are very one note and boring. Air target kill rewards should be increased across the board and any SPAA without the ability to target ground targets gets scouting. Anyone remember the short sturmtiger event? add an ability to spawn an AI anti-aircraft emplacement just behind tank spawn for an sp cost, this would need a lot of balancing but would add an additional dimension to the game strategy.
Third, (and subsequently) plane spawn cost doesnt need to be through the roof, as while it is frustrating to be killed by an aircraft, they shouldn't be made strategically irrelevant, but it does need to be increased relative to the efficacy of the plane in regards to controlling the ground. What i believe would be better is a system more similar to arcade or to scout drones, where you can spend sp to spawn in a plane without sacrificing your tank and you have as much time as you want, and if you die or land on the runway it sends you back to your tank (if you land anywhere else it shouldnt force you back however, go capture those points in your STOL or biplane you madlad). I like the idea of interceptors being cheap, and can be used to swiftly counter-cas, or just to get a birds eye view of the battlefield. The battle could even start with a few Ai interceptors on standby, loitering outside the battlefield.
Fourth, crew replenishment should either be based on the total amount of crew or should bring back all crew to orange, hear me out, crew replenishment (and fire extinguisher replenishment), should be available to do once one each cap on a map. As well as Cap reward increase, these would incentivize players to capture points instead of playing team death match, or running around the edge of the map to play capture the flag.
so, outsourcing?
I cannot wait for the "fix" which amounts to slight increases in SL and RP, while Gaijin breaks something else to ensure the game is not actually improved, as is their way.
That's why I've already slowly stopped playing the game. I have little to no hope they are going to do any "real" fix for the economy. They make money from players getting frustrated, why would they want to remove that aspect from the game lol.
Maybe thats why they are taking so long, they are just engieneering another way to fuck us over. It didnt cost them anything to just take like 5k sl from every repair cost on day one just to show some good will
@@Sheir01 I've uninstalled it. It's sad too because it could have been such a great game, maybe even the best game.
Yet you have dumb ass people like spookston who feed money to gaijin and cry.
“This game is good! Ya’ll are just German players!”
One hundred twenty fourth video asking for the Spj fm/43-44, it has a 15 sec reload, and fires 8kg TNT equivalent HE shells, while at br 1.7.
don't forget 50mm of armour
As a Swedish Tank Destroyer enjoyer I agree, the Doom Trumpet is a lovely, dinky, bonk cannon that fulfills the role of ctrl+alt+delete with beauty and grace, and a shell to the face
@@NaturalGarethFan lovely poem
Re: bushes. One solution could be to make them obscure the vision if the player wearing them. It's a little wild that players can completely cover their optics with foliage, yet see completely through them.
I've had this idea for a while, and I would love to see a ground tech tree split similar to Naval, completely separating the latewar tanks from more modern heat slingers at BRs where the latter can be particularly oppressive. This way fighting a BMP or T-55 in your 6.7 heavy can never happen. Granted, this would make a lot of tanks very strong, but two separate matchmakers means you can decompress both separately without worry of consequences elsewhere in the matchmaker. It's not a watertight idea, but I think it has potential.
Glad to see you giving your input on this matter
I think SPAA should have air scout ability to help identify enemy plane for friendly SPAA but idk should be spot for SPAA only or should be for all friendly team
That's a really good idea. I think it's fine if it's the whole team if only SPAAs can do it, still gives them more to do and a way to warn the team of a threat out of their fire range which really matters at lower BRs.
First they need to fix regular scouting. I still have times where I scout an enemy but they don't get marked, then I have an insanely long cooldown for the scout ability.
to be honest I think they should just remove cas all together from ground battles. Maybe keep it for realistic given the fact it's harder to spot vehicles in realistic. CAS is just too annoying to deal with and ruins ground battles.
They should get their own rangefinding ability for planes and other aviation. Shooting at planes is all guesswork and doesn't work particularly well at brs where jets are introduced and before radar. If the rangefinder gave me a rough estimate of how fast the plan ris going and how far, I think shooting down planes would be somewhat easier. Of course the gunner sights would have to be able to tell speed and not just distance.
I think cas can be good when need to clear someone that spawn camp hull down form afar but tank can't shoot back but due to how the game work make it was use in revenge kill more
(if cas remove SPAA will be gone too tho cus like m16 is hardly find thing it can kill in br 2.7)
Ty spookston your videos make my day every time :3
Once had the coaxial machinegun on the t34 just send a 128mm sturer emil shell with 233mm of pen into the shadow realm. Fun time
My suggestion was to make rewards increase exponentially with each consecutive kill in a battle. That way you get more rewards for performing better.
More reason to spawn camp then, why play objective when killing tank is more profitable. Maybe you could make it so tank that died in spawn zone give less reward but knowing Gaijin they will somehow mess that up too
@@mov7526 or the multiplier could apply to every action and not just kills.
@@mov7526 I mean the answer to that is finally fixing spawn invincibility, spawn radar, and match ending. Spawn invincibility is so damn short and moving almost immediately cancels it. Meanwhile people can be standing behind your spawn and not show up on the map. Because of this spawn camping is way too easy. The only "reason" it needs to be this way is because matches often drag on forever with a few enemies sitting in spawn. To fix this simply mark certain zones at the spawns, and the edges of the map as "non capture point contesting" or smt, meaning that enemies there don't stop the match from ending almost instantly if all 3 caps are yours, maybe only after a certain amount of time.
Some maps will also need some redesign because people will be able to shoot from their spawns but well those maps are already badly designed so not a huge loss.
They do go up if you get them in a row, double and triple strike bonus
@@TeamValkyrie2023 that's only if you get them in quick succession. The rewards per kill actually decrease as you get more kills.
I have a question. What would your thoughts be on a reusable crew replenishment?
Say instead of a one time use it has a lengthy cool down so that if you survive long enough, you can use it again. Helping preserve the tank vs inevitable punishment/death because you only get it once.
I'd sign on. Since so often things are one shots if you can limp back to repair and rearm that should be rewarded, and it would be one more thing to incentivize holding caps instead of staying far away to farm kills and try to spawn camp.
I think that's very reasonable. personally I always found it weird that as a tank player you get punished for any damage you take in the sense of not being able to very effectively regain crew (or ammo if you use a lot of shots, exception being a cap point but then depending on tank that can take FOREVER) . But meanwhile if someone spawns in a plane in a ground match, as long as they make it back to the airfield (which isn't that hard) they are back into 100% combat effectiveness.
I actully like the ideas you put out mostly about the crew
I'd like there to be a gamemode that is like RB in all aspects, except that tankers are locked to the commander's view and planes are locked in the cockpit.
Essentially sim, but with smaller maps then?
@@cloaker7237 It would still have friendly markers, scouting, points-based respawning, and non-sim controls for aircraft. This way, tankers don't get the advantage of 3rd person. Most importantly, planes are more playable for people who don't have a flight stick, but it also becomes harder to spot ground targets, making CAS less of a problem.
Here's something I wanted for a while: Take player count of a nation into consideration when adjusting the br. Obvious example: France. Since France is played mostly by people who already completed some tech-trees, and therefore have more experience, its individual vehicle stats are greatly inflated. Meaning, gaijin will take a look at the stats that are composed of highly experienced players and a few newcomers and increase the br to sometimes unplayable levels for new players. (see amx 13 (fl10 and fl11), ARL, ACRA, 2C, ebr 1951, even things like event vehicles like Lvt 40, amx 30 (50cal one) or the premium amd with a short 47mm sitting at 1.7 for god knows why. I believe that would increase the desirability of minor tech trees and give them a fighting chance against the big 3.
Agreed, it's bonkers that Gaijin can look at a data set with extremely few data points and think just straight up plugging that into their algorithms won't cause giant deviations to actual results.
This is also what happened to the EBR (1951) its almost equal to a puma with the shell being better yet it sits at 2.3 BR higher
I started with the japan tree when I first started (they just released then) and I reached top tier for USSR and USA faster than for japan simply because japan gets constantly shat on and their vehicles are all sorts of fucked up in game. Their planes have 7.62mm mgs until like 4.0, their tanks constantly get uptiered (just waiting for the chi-to and chi-nu to get their final nail in the coffin atm), their armor is impossible to bounce with(accurate) however their guns and ammo are subpar at best, and for the love of God, Japan's anti air and helis are leagues worse than just about every other tree. I had fun with the chi-nu and didn't have fun again until the RCV because it's a fast vehicle with a decent enough cannon that can only kill on sides
Rather than player count, what they should be doing is comparing the top 20% of a given vehicle's players to the bottom 20% or so and comparing them, rather than just taking the average . If they did this then, for instance, while they might see that the top 20% of french players are indeed doing quite well and bringing up the average, the bottom 20% are doing absolutely abysmally because the vehicles aren't good, its just that the top 20% of players are. Meanwhile if they looked at Tiger, Panther, and Jagpanther stats they'd probably see that while the bottom 20% of players are just doing kinda meh, there's a top 20% who actually know what they're doing and are absolutely devastating in these vehicles and are just having the average brought down by wehraboos who bring full ammo loads and don't know how to angle.
@@sayerglasgow115 Honestly it feels like Gaijin doesn't even know what an average player looks like.
I could write a novel on what I think are necessary changes to Ground alone, but forced to choose my top 5 would probably be: Remove drones completely, separate BRs for aircraft in Ground, Improve daily login rewards, Buff SPAA, Introduce a mandatory mini-map usage tutorial.
-First two are pretty self explanatory: Drones are busted and separate BRs for aircraft would go a *significant* way to balancing CAS.
-Daily rewards are crap. I'd like to see a sort of gradually evolving reward pool, so longer streaks are guaranteed better rewards; Nobody hitting their 1000th day should be getting the same rewards as somebody on day 1, and the decals aren't remotely good enough. Also bring back GE wagers.
-SPAA buffs can be pretty far ranging. Personally I'd like an AP belt nerf so many overtiered AA can go back down to BRs where they're more useful, looking at you Falcon. Realistic AA gun sights would be a godsend as current ones are utterly useless. AA should be able to re-arm in spawn (and so should everything tbh) so they're not doomed in certain modes or forced to make suicide runs to caps in others. Rewards for shooting down aircraft in AA should be *significantly* increased. AA should be given more spawns if you've got the backups equipped, as currently it's far too easy to run out of effective AA against endless hordes of CAS. I'll probably think of more as soon as I finish this comment.
-Mini map usage is absolutely vital to playing effectively yet hardly anyone ever seems to use it. I can't count the number of times I've seen teams wiped out by one or two enemies because not a single player decided to simply left-click the map and tell everyone where they were, or the times where I'm frantically pinging an enemy but nobody on my team is paying a lick of attention to the map. All we need is a simple mandatory tutorial for anyone starting GRB/Sim for the first time that quickly goes over what the mini map is, why it's so important and how to click on it.
As for the last one concerning the mini-map, give us a button to do call outs like we do for squads. I have my , key bound to my squad marker so I can mark the spot then hit M to do the same on the mini-map... So why not just make a "Attention to the map" version for everyone and not just squad mates?
The problem with bushes is that they obscure other player's vision of your tank, but with no penalty to the user's vision.
Make the bushes not invisible in the gunner view, and this problem will be much smaller.
Adding penalties when blocking certain modules could also a thing, but that might be a bit extreme. Such as blocking the radiator weakens engine power by 5%, blocking driver optics reduces the driving skill, blocking rangefinders makes them inoperable, same thing for laser warning receivers.
I feel like all of these changes would be great for the game, especially the volumetric change and the increase of SP cost to CAS planes. I would also move the drones to at least 10.0. Hell, I would even make them top tier only.
Oh hey love your videos! But yeah absolutely higher SP costs for CAS would be nice.
If Gaijin really wants to maintain there being a reward for scouting other than the obvious they could even change it from reduced aircraft cost to providing say faster artillery recharge, although I can see how that might eventually get annoying it'd be better than CAS spam.
Maybe 10 scout targets destroyed gives you a free light tank respawn? no backup necessary, or you leave it and the repair cost is waived. just a random idea off the top of my head.
Couple suggestions from me.
Crew training costs.
If you have a crew slot trained in, for example, a T-55, you shouldn't have to pay full training costs to get that crew trained up for the T-55-AMD for example. This would apply quite well for top tier MBTs where every nation has several variants of the top MBT and in low-mid tiers where you might see several T-34's or Shermans.
Repeat module costs.
This ties into the previous one a bit. If you have just finished researching the BR412D shell on the Su-100, you have to do the full research cost to get the same shell again on the Su-100P and T-44-100. A discount to the research cost of previously researched shells would be nice. Even if it's just like 5%.
imagine how much faster the US tree would be if that was true for the absolutely massive sherman line
@@bruhzy2139 My guy,
There's "only" 9 shermans variants. Which is quite a few but it's nothing compared to how many variants of the same tanks the germans have.
you got 7 variants of PZ IV's, 5 variants of panthers, 4 variants of STUG's to name a few examples. They might not have that many of the same tank specifically, but they do have a lot of cases where they have lots of variants of 1 tank chassis.
Russians on a similar but lesser degree of the same picture by having 6 variants of the T-34 and 4 variants of the KV-1, If you start including same gun/shell then that goes up quite rapidly too.
And of course the british with their centurion 20 pounders. about 7 variants I believe?
Don't get me wrong it would work out well for the US too. But you're acting like it ONLY benefits the US.
@@Gary_The_MetroBro wrote one offhand sentence and you wrote a damn thesis lol. who hurt you 😂
@@brandonflores4279 It's not my fault you're illiterate bro
As far as helicopters go, Gaijin should add destructable wings and pylons to helicopter damage models.
Love your ideas, especially on the economy
I love how Spookston might have added the words "money" and "revenue" so that it's more likely that those features get added to the game.
I would like to see FPE, ammo and crew replenishment in allied bases, and by extension, have actual allied *bases* . You know, with cover and shit, so I don't have to die 5 seconds after spawning in.
I would also like to see you play the SK-105/JaPz.K A2 sometime (Day 43).
On the topic of spotting, I think SPAA should be able to spote planes/helis. Sometimes it's really hard to follow up when two/three planes are attacking you at the same time from 3 different angles.
@Roniixx "further ruining realistic battles" I think you're confused, that's CAS's job.
I think this video has the best approach to pushing Gaijin to make better changes. Gaijin has shown that their first and foremost goal of WT is making money/profit. Making comments about how it could turn a profit will give them an incentive to actually listening to the criticism instead of just falling on deaf ears.
I very much like the idea of an Advanced Talisman.
Allows people to enjoy their favourite vehicles more.
Something I would LOVE! Is better maps. They look good but *certain maps* such as, mozdok , 38th parallel, european province, and arctic. All these maps have one thing in common, cross map sniping, sometimes one side can snipe the enemy team as soon as they spawn and thats just not fun
They have a lot to learn with map design.. Namely what hills are. IRL most hills are slow and rolling with only a few being rather sharp (mostly sand dunes).. Most of the time it feels like someone just piled dirt up to make the hills on the maps.
That and stop making spawn points on fucking hills. Specially WW2 heavies just ENJOY a good slog just to move out off spawn... /sarcasm
Hey Spook hope it's going good. I'd love to see a video on the Gepard, to satiate your blood lust for aircraft and to see some early modern spaa action. Anyways cheers mate!
Agree on changing the heli damage models. The "empty space" inside a lot of those helicopters is made up of hydraulic lines, push-pull control surface rods, and important wire harness; all of which damage to can significantly reduce the amount of time a helicopter will be able to remain airborne.
The only places on a helicopter where there's empty space is because it was specifically engineered into the design for a maintenance worker to reach a component.
My only critic with your suggestions, are when it comes to spawn cost with vehicles.
I dont think that spawn costs have to go up overall, but they should start to vary spawn costs with the amount of ordinance that is taken.
The difference being that a aircraft taking 1 bomb should cost less than a plane taking 3, this can be scaled by weight. So a heli taking 4 missiles compared to 16 would have different spawn costs. With custom loadouts, this would be easily as a vehicle can have a min and max spawn cost, and it varies by weight.
I dont know how this has not been implemented, but its totally a logical solution. A KA-50 taking 8 missiles over 16 would make a big change. By having 16 missiles cost more, it would subsequently tie to survivability of that heli, by not being able to just out trade AA by firing more missiles.
they already do, it just makes very little difference
this is already a mechanic in the game... yesterday i did not have enough spawn points for a plane with big bombs but i could spawn it with smaller bombs
It already is based on the amount of ordnance, but the problem remains that I could get.. 2 kills in a medium tank? and I can spawn in an AD-4 with 2 1000 pound bombs, a 2000 pound bomb, and 56? FFAR mighty mouse rockets. That is an unholy asston of ordnance. Not to mention 800 rounds of 4x20mm's firing ground belts that are, quite lethal.
With that amount of ordnance you could easily get, 8-10 kills in a match if you don't pancake yourself, MAYBE someone shoots you down but odds are.. you'll be fine.
@BManx2000 Looks at helicopters.... 2x4 hellfires = 4x4 hellfires ... Looks at Jets 1x 2000 lbs bomb = 3x 2000 lbs bombs, it may scale for lower bombs, but it scales to the size of the bomb not the quantity.
@@dariusweisz7440 Looks at helicopters.... 2x4 hellfires = 4x4 hellfires ... Looks at Jets 1x 2000 lbs bomb = 3x 2000 lbs bombs, it may scale for lower bombs, but it scales to the size of the bomb not the quantity.
Honestly I think the idea of a premium weekend is fantastic. It would get more people to play on those days and convince more people to stick with the game if they do progress. it would also make people more willing to spend money on the game if they progress a bit further. someone who gets to rank 4 is more likely to pay than someone at rank 2.
I was thinking you make spawning in the same things you started the game as easier, but others harder. Ex. if you start the game in a tank, the spawn points for another tank are standard, but spawning in as a plane after has a considerable markup.
Spookstons Economy change ideas actually make a lot of sense
I have little faith that even 1/3rd of these suggestions will be implemented, but regardless I appreciate you and other content creators submitting them anyway.
I'd love to see a an SL talisman.
The more generous the game, the more willing people are to spend a little here and there!
Id like to see more progress rewarded for planes in ground matches. Definitely if it is harder to spawn cas. My buddy suggests that only increased against planes in ground matches.
As far as allowing toggling of bushes opening gaijin up to a lawsuit, I got into an argument with someone about it and went to check the ToS and whatever other legal documents where gaijin basically says "anything you pay real money for can be adjusted at will" so as an absolutely not lawyer it seems to me like they've already covered their bases there
Yeah but you have to take into account how many people got bushes . Gaijin made us buy bushes for a reason I think everyone forgot that at one point they were free and now they don’t want to deal with the community trying to sue them if they make changes to them. But at the same time every 4 or 5 games I am fighting bush tanks and it’s annoying when you don’t know what your fighting so you can’t guess where to shoot wasting time and getting killed . Basically they won’t do anything to bushes because they deem it to be working as intended.
Lawsuits aside, I don't think they'd make this change because those bushes are a few bucks a piece and you need several plus premium for decoration slots to become an invisitank and Gaijin isn't giving up that P2W revenue. That said while in the US where corporations are people but with more rights, that ToS statement would hold up, but some countries have consumer protections laws and you can't just override those with a statement in your terms of service. Now, I don't think they'd really face that issue with hiding bushes, after all they already do the more contentious thing of nerfing premiums, but it isn't just a cut and dry thing where you can just absolve responsibility of anything with a sign or ToS. Even in the US, those signs places put up that they aren't responsible for you getting hurt or damage to your property no matter the cause won't hold up in court because a sign doesn't overrule the law of premises liability.
I would like to see air rb ec again and something like it for tank. I feel like that would help a lot of f2p players since the games are long and could reward nicely and could have a chance to reward with prem time and some old event items/vehicles. They could have these events every two weeks or one whole week at the end of the month. I generally don’t see them anymore but maybe I don’t hop on when they are active I see naval but no air.
Everyone loved that but if gaijin didnt made it a permanent thing is because they decided that it wasnt profitable wich is very sad.
I remembered when you were at like 60k subs now you at 261, Keep going.
To be honest, I don't want to be 6 - 8 months researching ONE vessel.
Naval needs a re-work on the research of vehicles. Now, it's feel imposible to research vessels in naval.
What I would like to see is the MM be reduced to +- 0.7 BR instead of the +-1.0 MM we have now.
@@petrkdn8224 what?
@@petrkdn8224 name them then.
I really appreciate you mentioning the cap on earnings. It's by far the most frustrating mechanic for me. If a player goes on a big kill streak he should be rewarded for it or at the bare minimum not punished. Losing SL with a 3/1 k/d is just infuriating. I know gaijin do this to make players pay for premium, and most probably do, but it has made me drop the game for the last 4 months.
Honestly, I like everything that you said in this. I would be kinda sad that bushes stop working, they are literally the only thing I bought, but I would sacrifice that to get everything else done.
I really do like the idea of the advanced talisman that gives you an SL boost for techtree vehicles. Just because playing techtree vehicles just doesnt feel rewarding anymore after playing a premium, no matter how cool the techtree one is.
Hey spook, do you think that decompression could lead to imbalances in lineups for ground RB. Like a line up that had to be 6.3, 6.7, and 7.0 for a smaller nations?
I feel like a Nation of the Day type of thing would be a pretty good idea. Basically give a 200%-500% research modifier to the first game you play for a random nation as well as giving a 50% research modifier for any match played that day (after the first game).
Some years ago there existed something like that and it was universal for every nation but they removed it and i never have seen them bring back good mechanic that they removed
@@StrayGuard Iirc it was the first match of the day granted double XP, aka RP
@@StrayGuard That was around 2013-14, forget which year they removed it in. Back when gaijin wasn't as greedy with their development choices. With how they are currently asking it for every nation is probably too much, so for now, one that rotates everyday would be an okay compromise
@@xXRAINBOWBLITZ I would be happy even if it is like that but i doubt that gaijin will do improvements like that. They are just too greedy to make selfless improvements, they just cant grasp this concept
About the panther's mantlet, I even have trouble going through it with a 122.
I really like the traction suggestion and the volumetric
It's a rare occasion i agree with everything and cc states they'd want changed with the game, its clear to see you play grb primarily so your points are spot on imo. I can only hope gaijin will make some of these changes to make the game more bearable and enjoyable for new players.
I recommend the 10 ways to fix WT economy from Tim's Variety. He has some fantastic ideas in there, all well reasoned and argued. Longer video, but well worth it.
When it comes to ammo I would just add that APHE is too OP due to the unrealistic shrapnel angle being circular instead of conical. This puts a disadvantage to tanks that only have solid shots and makes it so you pretty much always go for APHE when possible because it's that powerful. It would be more interesting to see other types of shells actually be used and not just the one.
Definitely yes. A frontal turret pen should not kill the driver. I feel like Germany and Russia are just : point at anywhere on a tank, shoot, huge explosion that kills everything front to back, profit.
Except with big HE, one shots should be the exception, not the rule
the clip at the start is darn impressive!
One small thing i'd like to see is the mark of recognition (or whatever it's called) unlocked for talisman'd vehicles, like if you get enough RP with a premium vehicle you permanently unlock four decal slots for it, regardless of whether or not you have premium. Adding that to vehicles with a talisman would be a nice addition imo. Also more decal slots in general, like maybe 6 because we have 6 decorator slots.
Day 58 of asking this man to play the IT-1.
Yessir this would be great
the LVL 100 players should be able to vote a vehicle what BR it should be? instead of the gaijin statistics. or the gaijin should publish the statistics of the vehicle so we can approve that the vehicle is OK or not at its BR.
i.e. it took couple week to move A10 from 9.7 to 10.0 but it took almost 3-4 months to make same move for Su-25K,
another example, it took about a month to move HSTV-L to really up in BR, but it took 3-4 months to move 2S38 up to a BR that doesn't fit to that vehicle, tell me if I am wrong but HSTV-L shouldn't be higher BR than 2s38, even 2S38 should be higher than it.
to add on to it the 2S6 is 10.7 while the otomatic is 11.3
@@imaflyingturkey thats the issue, the OTOMATIC have even more capabilities than the HSTV-L, it has more PEN, Faster fire rate, more than triple the ammo pool, Has Radar, has Proxy, has more elevation, faster turret rotation, but they are sharing same BR.
In my opinion, OTOMATIC should be 10.3 or near that BR, and HSTVL needs to be somewhere between 9.7-10.7
@@STCPlays yeah but thats why i was using the 2S6 as the comparison
many of the tank ideas I wouldn't agree on, but the economy suggestions sound very interesting!
That background music gave me nostalgic Command and conquer generals vibes
Spookston, I'll give this comment recommendation a shot. Can you maybe bring out the g6? It basically has a "tow2b" (kinda) in the form of the proxy round
An idea I had recently is very simple but I think would effectively help the grind of everyone in the game in the long-term.
When you research and unlock every vehicle in a tech tree, you get a proportional amount of research points and SL that you can assign to any other tech tree of the same vehicle type, and that scales up with the modifications, so the more vehicles you spade, the more RP and SL you'll get at the end, which would give players the incentive to spade more vehicles.
(I'm taking these numbers out of my ass just to give an example, this example I'm thinking of a 2:1 conversion rate of RP and 4:1 conversion rate of SL but it can be reduced or increased to anything really)
So let's say someone spades every ground vehicle in the USSR tech tree, and that whole tree needed 3 million RP and 5 million SL to complete, you get 1.5 million RP and 1.250 million SL exclusively to use in any other tech tree (including modifications).
So you're rewarded for putting more hours into the game by being able to effectively cut your grind shorter, because you've already done the grind the first time, you shouldn't need to put 5000 hours in the game just to have to put another 5000 hours in the game because you decided you want to try Germany out instead of the US.
I like your ideas and grudges with WT, the only one I am missing tho is maybe to make winning more rewarding which in turn would encourage players to 1. PTO and 2. Not leave the game after one death or two
I put a 150mm howitzer, point blanked an enemy, went through all of the ammo on his left side, and out the back of his tank, he then killed me. This was 2.3BR, solidshot round. What. The. Fuck. Gaijin.
The best way they can fix warthunder is to buff the swing fire…..
Very good suggestions overall 👏👏
The biggest change I want is for shells to not just implode when they hit anything on a tank, scratch the side of his barrel shell disappears, hit the mg coax shell disappears, hit a horizontal plate on the side of the tank shell disappears etc
i like the idea of advanced talisman like the object 279 u need 3-4 kills to even go even in sl
Overall great ideas Spookston. My main gripe is the uptiers in 6.7 - 8.7 ground battles where there is huge technological discrepancy between stabilisers, apfsds, thermals, and introduction of helicopters. I will gladly wait twice as long for a fair game. I know how you feel about bush - my ping is 270 as a result of geographic location and I can't improve it. About 30% of my kills are denied as the server considers my shots not being fired when I am in a duel. Bushes help me at times by slowing the reaction of the enemy to make it slightly more bearable. I would prefer a level playing field, but with all things considered and distances to servers that may not be possible.
Spookston for president
Great suggestions. It would be nice to also have a reserve vehicle at each rank though.
Thats an amazing idea but is never going to be implemented. Gaijin makes more than a million dollars just from selling each rank VII premium and cutting the way to top tier is one of the main selling points. Just imagine how much revenue they are going to loose if a reserve vehicle is added to each rank
@@StrayGuard Tim's Variety actually mentioned something like that. In the PDF he made he mentions one vehicle in each rank to be designated a Reserve or Trainer vehicle with a greatly reduced or subsidized repair cost, but also having a poor SL and RP modifier to prevent grinding with said vehicle. That vehicle would be the most basic vehicle to fit into that rank, but would include technology common within that rank to train you for that rank.
@@martinmethod427 the idea is so good, ihope they considet adding it to the game
There is also one thing i would really like. Let us choose where ammo is stored! Because on some tanks they have ammo storage low in the hull but i still chooses the worst ammo rack to store ammo (Example would be FV4202 and all the Centurions)