40 years ago I decided to drive my Chevy Malibu from Massachusetts to Utah. I got to Hartford Connecticut and had to replace my water pump in a parts store parking lot. This mechanic should be making 500$ per hour for this!
Found On the Road Dead! If this was my Ford, that’s where it would be right now- on fire!! I don’t have a problem with doing a water pump on my 1965 V-8 Chevy ll If I goof off, maybe an hour!😎
He's definitely a pro because he can teach as well as work at the same time but I will be swapping it out for a used motor. I know that the water pump will go on the used engine as well but it's not worth the hassle of putting used trimming guides and other parts back on. Thanks alot thought
Thanks for taking the time to record,edit and post this video series. You obviously know what your doing in the shop and doing a great job with the videos. Two thumbs up!
Nice job Joe.very much detail Couple of things,hope you don't mind.. If you are doing just the water pump you don't need to removed the phasers..especially ls bank.. for the right side just stick an thin 8mm wrench behind the phaser to back out enough the bolt and guide and water pump is able to come out.. The chain does have marks. double link to crank,tan link to r/s phaser and other to l/s..But that requires many turns sometimes in order for all to match. I like your way better. lol. And lastly for some of the guys here..Engine does not have have to be removed for this job but I do agree removing it does make for a much easier job instead of fighting with back bolts and aligning the cover without making a mess...
When it goes out? There is no mileage description. Its either within warranty and its free or its not and you pay me 2000 to replace it. Pick one. Or you do it yourself and fuck it up. Third option
I HAFT TO GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOUR CALM AND EASY GOING... NEEDLESS TO SAY WHAT KIND OF MOOD I WOULD BE IN, NEVER BUY ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ENGINES,,, SORRY FORD, YOU BLEW THIS 30 THOUSAND DOLLAR PURCHASE
Technically, Duratec 30 V6 (3.0L) is the most powerful and newest Ford FWD V6 engine you can get with water pump outside driven by belt. It was last produced for 2012 Ford Fusion and Escape. Maybe this is a highly-desirable used car now to transport your loved ones. The RWD 3.5L and 3.7L (F-150, Transit, and Mustang) are excluded from this problem, since it's a longitudinal version with its water pump located outside instead. Can you believe that?
@@ufartface my water pump went on my mustang, and I was dreading this was the way to replace my water pump. Luckily mine is serpentine belt driven and a 30 min job. So the engineers for my particular engine made the right decision on water pump location 😂
I pulled all the plugs out to let the pressure off and cut small wooden studs to hold the cams still, I marked my own timing marks just in case it moved a bit. But if it does move, you actually have a little bit of play to turn back right. The problem with these water pumps is that there is too much tension pressure from the chain causing the water pump bearings and seals to prematurely fail.
To remove valve cover without possible damage (after all fasteners removed), cut around the VVT actuator seals and spark plug tube seals. I used an exacto blade to cut the soft seal rubber between the seal lip and seal outside housing. This will allow you to lift the covers without issue. With covers off you can remove the lip (reinforced with wire). You'll see why it's almost impossible to get the cover off with the seals intact. HTH
This is why I traded in a perfectly good 2017 F150 for a 2021 F150. Need a warranty for this kind of thing. BTW, 1400 miles on the brand new 2021 and it needs a cam phaser. Definitely will be trading in the new truck before the warranty is up. Thanks Ford!
The only nice part about this job is that ford was nice enough to make all those timing cover bolts the same length 😂 started on this job today, and yes those valve covers were stuck good
This is when you turn the old water pump into a block plate, install an electric water pump elsewhere...on video...and send a copy to Ford corporate. Repairing this design to original IS consent.
Excellent video but does it really require the engine (power train) removal for a water pump replacement? What's the labor cost on this job. Obviously while you're in there you're going to replace any and all associated with the timing chain and components.
It absolutely does NOT. You can do it in vehicle for sure, but removal is my preference for an ease of service and risk management standpoint. If you smear the sealant on that timing cover when you're trying to install it it's going to leak, and the engines come out so easy it's a no brainer for me.
Question, I assume the only reason you removed the cam phasers was to access the secondary chain guide correct? I did not see a need to remove them to change the water pump itself. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have plans to do this repair with the exception of having the ability to completely remove the motor. I don't think it is required to be removed. One other question, are those timing cover bolts TTY bolts? Or did you simply reuse them?
I did it on a mazda 6 3.7 ford motor on the mazda you have to take the motor out but definitely not the cam sprockets and why not just put all new timing guides chains and sprockets you'll never have to open that cover again
Good Work with the camera work and angles, you make engine work look easy but i know it is not..even though i rant below im still enjoying this Video series,Thank's for all your hard work m8t. i can't get over the way this motor is designed with water pump inside the timing chain cover ford should have just made the timing belt type instead for easier access, geezz i mean all pros and diy knows water pumps don't last life of the car EVER so the engineering is idiotic, i know why they do it but from a repair perspective well it speaks for itself.
The video is great and should be shown to the idiots are ford who designed this and let it go into service. Water pumps for fleet vehicle fail often, why would they make it such a pain in the ass and pricey to replace ?
Can you pull the trans without dropping the subframe? I have our '09 FLEX in the shop for a waterpump replacement a and now they want to replace the whole engine..it never has been overheated they said it might have a cracked block..."Might". I told them the pump has been squealing and it went. They asked if it had been in a flood,( after i said the pump had failed)cause of the water in the oil and they had to pull the trans to check the back of the engine for carcks. When the pump went we shut it down i asked of they have to drop the subframe they said no
Why remove the entire motor when the job is easily done in the car. Removing the phasors too? Crazy how much extra work you're doing for the water pump.
There is a small hole behind the alternator. Is this where it will leak if it's the water pump? Someone said that if I take out the Allen cup next to that hole and clean it the leak can stop. Help me out so that I dont run around crazy tomorrow. My coolant is leaking out of the hole behind the alternator. It's a heavy leak.
Who the heck hired these so called engineers .man engineers just don’t have a brain not to think of the long term consequences. Was no manager involved in this shit design. My brother laid 2,700 to have his done here in Ontario Canada. There should be a law suit about this.😖
What type in engine designer, designs an engine with a timing chain driven water pump which is a serviceable item? Probably some kid who has never lifted the hood of a car?
I think what he is saying is that was not a smart overall design. No person in their right mind wants to pay that much for a water pump repair. That is usually one of the simplest repairs on a vehicle.
I recoiled when I seen him tugging away on the wires to the injectors. Grab it by that massive connector, it's more to hold onto and won't stress the wire terminals.
How many miles are on this vehicle? I traded a 2010 a year ago that only had 51k miles on it. Never touched the motor. Old pushrod engines were so much simplier
I just picked up a 2013 Explorer Sport with about 120K miles (same engine design) and this is my worst nightmare. I also have an GMC with the 4.8 LS motor with 230k miles and the engine has never been apart for any repairs.
I HAD A SUNFIRE GT 2.4 14 HOURS TO GET THE WATER PUMP OUT AND BACK IN... THIS ONE IS WORSE THAN THAT ONE, AT LEAST I DID IT IN THE VEHICLE, TOUGH BUT I DID IT
Would a couple of wrenches in whatever the size of the flat of those camshafts are work if u put them in an x and locked the middle with a paitr of vise grips if u dont have the ford tool? I hope u get the jist of what im asking. Lol. Glad to see a new vid buddy. Its been a while. Have a good day
It looks like those flats are not only for holding the cam on position, but allso for timeing the cams to those VVT pullys. as that VVT pully can spin on that cam shaft freely. On belt driven engines that i have done this(i dont think change dose any diferent). These VVT-pullys middel bolt is freeking uber tight, so that tool aint any good if it aint heavy series...
My bad. Watching again the video it seems that these camshafts has some location pins so maybe its posible, but just maybe. If that location hole(on VVT-pully) has some play for "finer timeing" (takeing away chain manufacture length fault....) then you cant do that or your timeing is of.
I suppose you could do it that way, but I think the tool does a good job. Additionally, it would be difficult to hold the camshafts to torque the phasers using that method.
Ridiculous !! To replace a water pump you have to take the whole drivetrain out ??? ! Let say Ford don't want you to do the repairs on this vehicle yourself . You have to take it to the shop?! Ridiculous!!
In the start of this video, the tech was paying Ford big acalades on their ingenuity and prowess for an intelligent design on this motor. I just wonder what he thinks now about that? Great running motors when they’re running, but I see now why they have earned “found on the road dead” or “flip over read direc -tions” i am getting rid of my wife’s Ford (w/3.5) after seeing this video
It’s amazing how u take this in your stride. This is a horrible example of engineering. This is why people should never buy these products. It’s a three day job. U r worth at least 300 a day. If u r making any less u r being under paid. 1500 is low ball for this job. I imagine oe parts cost around 500 to 700. If u do chain guides. Dang!!
Jack McAvoy I think it is a solid design many people get well over 100k without any problems. I liked my 2010 with 190k miles so much we traded in and got a new 2017 SEL 3.5 with 17k miles now.
That sounds about right. I got a 13 MKT with a 3.7 I'm doing a water pump in tomorrow. Pump and thermostat with parts came out to be $2,100 for tf he customer.
@@koukitype180 I'd run the pos into a tree . Or trade it to a Ford dealer for a good used Chrysler or chevy.. the hemi Durango is way better . As well as a Tahoe with a v 8 engine. Ford sucks AGAIN & AGAIN
WoW too much work.........I changed mine in car took weeks. I realize now I will not be buying anymore new cars for remainder of my life. too complicated and expensive to service. Why would anybody pay 2k to change a water pump. I can change a water pump in my 90s Jeep in 30 minutes for about 30 bucks. Car makers are getting slimy and corrupt..........obviously
More Ford junk. . I guess I miss the first part . When you pulled the motor .most people cant afford to pay a mechanic to do this job . And as all just for a water pump . Like I said Ford sucks . Shitty diesel engines shitty gas engines.
Just changed a GM 3800 water pump. Half hour job.
40 years ago I decided to drive my Chevy Malibu from Massachusetts to Utah. I got to Hartford Connecticut and had to replace my water pump in a parts store parking lot. This mechanic should be making 500$ per hour for this!
Found On the Road Dead!
If this was my Ford, that’s where it would be right now- on fire!!
I don’t have a problem with doing a water pump on my 1965 V-8 Chevy ll
If I goof off, maybe an hour!😎
He's definitely a pro because he can teach as well as work at the same time but I will be swapping it out for a used motor. I know that the water pump will go on the used engine as well but it's not worth the hassle of putting used trimming guides and other parts back on. Thanks alot thought
I CANT EVEN IMAGINE CREATING SOMETHING LIKE THIS... A SIMPLE WATER PUMP PROCEDURE AND NOW THIS...
Thanks for taking the time to record,edit and post this video series. You obviously know what your doing in the shop and doing a great job with the videos. Two thumbs up!
I'm glad you are enjoying the series! Thanks for the kind words!
very professional and wonderful job, but the most important thing is when to change the water pump, please specify the expected distance of the change
Nice job Joe.very much detail
Couple of things,hope you don't mind..
If you are doing just the water pump you don't need to removed the phasers..especially ls bank..
for the right side just stick an thin 8mm wrench behind the phaser to back out enough the bolt and guide and water pump is able to come out..
The chain does have marks. double link to crank,tan link to r/s phaser and other to l/s..But that requires many turns sometimes in order for all to match. I like your way better. lol.
And lastly for some of the guys here..Engine does not have have to be removed for this job but I do agree removing it does make for a much easier job instead of fighting with back bolts and aligning the cover without making a mess...
guayaco3299 thanks for sharing.
this is a good and proffesional technician mechanic!!!!!! this is how to make a very gooood video!!!!!
very professional and wonderful job, but the most important thing is when to change the water pump, please specify the expected distance of the change
When it goes out? There is no mileage description. Its either within warranty and its free or its not and you pay me 2000 to replace it. Pick one.
Or you do it yourself and fuck it up. Third option
I HAFT TO GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOUR CALM AND EASY GOING... NEEDLESS TO SAY WHAT KIND OF MOOD I WOULD BE IN, NEVER BUY ANOTHER ONE OF THESE ENGINES,,, SORRY FORD, YOU BLEW THIS 30 THOUSAND DOLLAR PURCHASE
Your videos are really good. What a nice treat for a DIY junkie. Like the voice-over also :-) Looking forward to next episode.
Thanks for your support my friend. Stay tuned!
Dude you changed the POV game for ever. 😂😂😂
Technically, Duratec 30 V6 (3.0L) is the most powerful and newest Ford FWD V6 engine you can get with water pump outside driven by belt. It was last produced for 2012 Ford Fusion and Escape. Maybe this is a highly-desirable used car now to transport your loved ones. The RWD 3.5L and 3.7L (F-150, Transit, and Mustang) are excluded from this problem, since it's a longitudinal version with its water pump located outside instead. Can you believe that?
Good vid bro! I got this job tomorrow. Just needed to know if the engine has to be to dropped. In and out it is!
Definitely easier to drop it mate, you can do it in car but you'll be glad you dropped the whole assembly out.
Wow that's a lot of work
Great video looking forward part 3.
If the customer asks why it costed so much to do a simple water pump. Give him this video link. By the way great video so far.
tell the customer all ford engineers are on drugs
@@ufartface my water pump went on my mustang, and I was dreading this was the way to replace my water pump. Luckily mine is serpentine belt driven and a 30 min job. So the engineers for my particular engine made the right decision on water pump location 😂
I hear that if that pump goes out and it gets replaced those duratec engines can last up to 300,000 miles if the engine doesn’t get damaged
it's a beautifully designed engine, not really for a diy type shade tree mechanic, also the water pump shouldn't ever need to be replaced
your mom is a beautifully designed engine
Replaced mine at 150,000 miles due to leak from weep hole. This does need replacement, often. I'll change it again at 250,000 miles.
Can be done t without cam locks...but I bought the otc set makes life way easier also do the job in car
I pulled all the plugs out to let the pressure off and cut small wooden studs to hold the cams still, I marked my own timing marks just in case it moved a bit. But if it does move, you actually have a little bit of play to turn back right. The problem with these water pumps is that there is too much tension pressure from the chain causing the water pump bearings and seals to prematurely fail.
To remove valve cover without possible damage (after all fasteners removed), cut around the VVT actuator seals and spark plug tube seals. I used an exacto blade to cut the soft seal rubber between the seal lip and seal outside housing. This will allow you to lift the covers without issue. With covers off you can remove the lip (reinforced with wire). You'll see why it's almost impossible to get the cover off with the seals intact. HTH
This is why I traded in a perfectly good 2017 F150 for a 2021 F150. Need a warranty for this kind of thing. BTW, 1400 miles on the brand new 2021 and it needs a cam phaser. Definitely will be trading in the new truck before the warranty is up. Thanks Ford!
The only nice part about this job is that ford was nice enough to make all those timing cover bolts the same length 😂 started on this job today, and yes those valve covers were stuck good
23:00 those are Torx plus 55 bolt heads. That’s why T55 was loose.
This is when you turn the old water pump into a block plate, install an electric water pump elsewhere...on video...and send a copy to Ford corporate. Repairing this design to original IS consent.
Blow a fuse, blow the motor.
Great video series!!!!
Fantastic video; you are a master
Haha nah no where near. I have a lot to learn, I just like engine work :)
Great job! Like your videos!
Just had dealer replace mine $1700.00. And he was family. I dont mind doing brakes suspension work wheel bearings. This was way over my head.
Made in America Thank you Ford..
I've heard the timing chains stretch and the guides need replaced on these too at about 80k miles.
more so on the 3.5 ecoboost..but mostly from lack of maintenance and beatin on it..
Yeah, it seems like no one is immune to timing chain problems theses days. Ford, GM, BMW all have problems.
this is why i don't buy fords junk
Excellent video but does it really require the engine (power train) removal for a water pump replacement?
What's the labor cost on this job. Obviously while you're in there you're going to replace any and all associated with the timing chain and components.
It absolutely does NOT. You can do it in vehicle for sure, but removal is my preference for an ease of service and risk management standpoint. If you smear the sealant on that timing cover when you're trying to install it it's going to leak, and the engines come out so easy it's a no brainer for me.
Question, I assume the only reason you removed the cam phasers was to access the secondary chain guide correct? I did not see a need to remove them to change the water pump itself. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I have plans to do this repair with the exception of having the ability to completely remove the motor. I don't think it is required to be removed. One other question, are those timing cover bolts TTY bolts? Or did you simply reuse them?
I did this repair motor still in the car.also I didt remove the cam sprockets.......
I did it on a mazda 6 3.7 ford motor on the mazda you have to take the motor out but definitely not the cam sprockets and why not just put all new timing guides chains and sprockets you'll never have to open that cover again
Do u have to disconnect as much as u disconnected in order to change the water pump it seems like ur removing everything but the water pump
Great job. Thanks!
Good Work with the camera work and angles, you make engine work look easy but i know it is not..even though i rant below im still enjoying this Video series,Thank's for all your hard work m8t.
i can't get over the way this motor is designed with water pump inside the timing chain cover ford should have just made the timing belt type instead for easier access,
geezz i mean all pros and diy knows water pumps don't last life of the car EVER so the engineering is idiotic, i know why they do it but from a repair perspective well it speaks for itself.
13:05 that guy in the background😅 "(Awww hell...)
The video is great and should be shown to the idiots are ford who designed this and let it go into service. Water pumps for fleet vehicle fail often, why would they make it such a pain in the ass and pricey to replace ?
Hey, great video. thanks. I was wondering if you were replacing the motor, would you also drop the power train out? thanks
No, you do not need to drop the power train out to replace the motor.
*facepalm*
Why did you take off the LH phasers?
Can you pull the trans without dropping the subframe? I have our '09 FLEX in the shop for a waterpump replacement a and now they want to replace the whole engine..it never has been overheated they said it might have a cracked block..."Might". I told them the pump has been squealing and it went. They asked if it had been in a flood,( after i said the pump had failed)cause of the water in the oil and they had to pull the trans to check the back of the engine for carcks. When the pump went we shut it down i asked of they have to drop the subframe they said no
Why remove the entire motor when the job is easily done in the car. Removing the phasors too? Crazy how much extra work you're doing for the water pump.
I said the same thing my dad did this in a hour and a half in car they say ford ripping ppl off I see the repair men ripping ppl off
My 2011 has aluminum valve covers. I wonder why they switched to plastic for the 2013 update. Seems like a step backward.
When i took the cover off the timing chain marks were not in line..can I manually turn it clockwise until it lines up?
Do you have to rotate engine to 11oclock position before you remove tensioner and take chain out?
Great work on your part another sorry design on Ford's part they seem to have a knack for designing expensive repair work
There is a small hole behind the alternator. Is this where it will leak if it's the water pump? Someone said that if I take out the Allen cup next to that hole and clean it the leak can stop. Help me out so that I dont run around crazy tomorrow. My coolant is leaking out of the hole behind the alternator. It's a heavy leak.
Carlos Monce Records weep hole i think it’s called.
Who the heck hired these so called engineers .man engineers just don’t have a brain not to think of the long term consequences. Was no manager involved in this shit design. My brother laid 2,700 to have his done here in Ontario Canada. There should be a law suit about this.😖
What type in engine designer, designs an engine with a timing chain driven water pump which is a serviceable item?
Probably some kid who has never lifted the hood of a car?
You make it seem like this is the only car using this design.
I think what he is saying is that was not a smart overall design. No person in their right mind wants to pay that much for a water pump repair. That is usually one of the simplest repairs on a vehicle.
I recoiled when I seen him tugging away on the wires to the injectors. Grab it by that massive connector, it's more to hold onto and won't stress the wire terminals.
I guess I don’t understand why the phasers had to come off
Where can you find the “ timing tools”
Can you do a video on the set up on your service cart please?
How many miles are on this vehicle? I traded a 2010 a year ago that only had 51k miles on it. Never touched the motor. Old pushrod engines were so much simplier
I just picked up a 2013 Explorer Sport with about 120K miles (same engine design) and this is my worst nightmare. I also have an GMC with the 4.8 LS motor with 230k miles and the engine has never been apart for any repairs.
I HAD A SUNFIRE GT 2.4 14 HOURS TO GET THE WATER PUMP OUT AND BACK IN... THIS ONE IS WORSE THAN THAT ONE, AT LEAST I DID IT IN THE VEHICLE, TOUGH BUT I DID IT
Good job boss
👍👍👍
Would a couple of wrenches in whatever the size of the flat of those camshafts are work if u put them in an x and locked the middle with a paitr of vise grips if u dont have the ford tool? I hope u get the jist of what im asking. Lol. Glad to see a new vid buddy. Its been a while. Have a good day
It looks like those flats are not only for holding the cam on position, but allso for timeing the cams to those VVT pullys. as that VVT pully can spin on that cam shaft freely.
On belt driven engines that i have done this(i dont think change dose any diferent). These VVT-pullys middel bolt is freeking uber tight, so that tool aint any good if it aint heavy series...
My bad. Watching again the video it seems that these camshafts has some location pins so maybe its posible, but just maybe. If that location hole(on VVT-pully) has some play for "finer timeing" (takeing away chain manufacture length fault....) then you cant do that or your timeing is of.
I suppose you could do it that way, but I think the tool does a good job. Additionally, it would be difficult to hold the camshafts to torque the phasers using that method.
If the water pump bearings no good ,what other parts are wearing out ,holly shit.
🤔I'm selling my 2015 Ford Taurus SEL
Gearwrench ratchets?
Ridiculous !! To replace a water pump you have to take the whole drivetrain out ??? ! Let say Ford don't want you to do the repairs on this vehicle yourself . You have to take it to the shop?! Ridiculous!!
Are they still doing this design, they should be charged
In the start of this video, the tech was paying Ford big acalades on their ingenuity and prowess for an intelligent design on this motor.
I just wonder what he thinks now
about that? Great running motors when they’re running, but I see now why they have earned “found on the road dead” or “flip over read direc -tions” i am getting rid of my wife’s Ford (w/3.5) after seeing this video
Not enough light
Go pro Camera 😵
I use masking tape for open intake ports😊
Flat Rate Master, I usually do too, but it didn't want to stick to the plastic 😂
The engineers who design this mess should be fired and arrested and Bond from designing another engine...
Whose left ,Toyota
has anyone done this in the car?
It’s amazing how u take this in your stride. This is a horrible example of engineering. This is why people should never buy these products. It’s a three day job. U r worth at least 300 a day. If u r making any less u r being under paid. 1500 is low ball for this job. I imagine oe parts cost around 500 to 700. If u do chain guides. Dang!!
I had 190k miles on one of these no water pump problems or any except for a tranny motor mount for the whole time we owned it.. I trust these engines.
Jack McAvoy I think it is a solid design many people get well over 100k without any problems. I liked my 2010 with 190k miles so much we traded in and got a new 2017 SEL 3.5 with 17k miles now.
that's the way they make the newer engines. every little thing cost u a fortune
@Helicopter Dad they probably use a heavy duty eater pump on the police engine
It’s a SMART design, just a few steps and the engine drops out, pop it apart and replace the pump.
Holyfakkk......all that for a water pump...????
What is the cost of that job?
Your probably looking at around 1500 to do the job properly.
Wow!
That sounds about right. I got a 13 MKT with a 3.7 I'm doing a water pump in tomorrow. Pump and thermostat with parts came out to be $2,100 for tf he customer.
@@koukitype180 I'd run the pos into a tree . Or trade it to a Ford dealer for a good used Chrysler or chevy.. the hemi Durango is way better . As well as a Tahoe with a v 8 engine. Ford sucks AGAIN & AGAIN
@@bradhardy2629 Tahoe yes, Chrysler fuck no. Them Hemis love throwing rockers and breaking valve springs. Unless that only applies to the Ram pick ups
Ford should offer an exchange for free
WoW too much work.........I changed mine in car took weeks. I realize now I will not be buying anymore new cars for remainder of my life. too complicated and expensive to service. Why would anybody pay 2k to change a water pump. I can change a water pump in my 90s Jeep in 30 minutes for about 30 bucks. Car makers are getting slimy and corrupt..........obviously
Give me an old 302 with 4barral anyday New technology sucks.
Is this insanity? Drop the engine to replace a water pump! Don't by a used Ford!
More Ford junk. . I guess I miss the first part . When you pulled the motor .most people cant afford to pay a mechanic to do this job . And as all just for a water pump . Like I said Ford sucks . Shitty diesel engines shitty gas engines.
another reason to dislike ford
Ford should be sued