2013 Ford Taurus Water Pump Replacement Part 3
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2018
- In part 3 of this series, we begin to assemble the timing components and prepare the engine for reinstallation into the chassis.
If you are still having difficulty understanding the timing procedure for this engine, please check out this video from my friend, Brad on his channel. He does a much better job than I do explaining!
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Awesome job! I’ve been a technician for 40 years and I learned quite a bit! Marking the bolts and numbering the bolt holes. Very smart idea!!! I’m doing this job now. Hope to finish tomorrow
Absolutely outstanding video on this subject. Complete kudos to this mechanic for his skill and for him taking the time to video record and share!!!!
I thank you for not making us wait forever for the next part. Great series!
Great series. Nice work. I'm currently tackling this job in a Edge at the shop. I got a couple hours into disassembling the engine to do it in the car like Alldata suggests before I decided I was going to drop the powertrain out like you did here. Glad I found these detailed videos. It's always nice to see it first hand before getting into a job this involved. Not always a luxury that is available. Time is money and this should help me save a lot. Thank you 👍
Great video, I just did my 2010 flex and removed the motor for ease of doing things, took me 24 hours for my first time, your video helped build my confidence as I was nervous to do the job, the motor now is stronger than ever, mine had 189,000 and just started to leak, water pump bearings were gone, any day the motor would of blown, thanks so much
Well done indeed. Super tidy, organized, and detailed. Thanks!
Hey I like your method of doing the 45 degree angle. Learned something new
Meticulously awesome video, best one yet ! Keep up the good work and thank you.
Grateful for people like you who make these informative videos! They help me learn
This is the by far the best video I have seen as far as addressing the damn internal water pump on these engines. I have done about 5 now without taking the engines out, I've only seen one so far that had just a water pump seal failure. where it will leak coolant out the weep hole. The others coolant was dumping into the oil pan (complete water pump bearing failure, in which you will get a code for the phasers, fortunately customers stopped driving immediately).
I recommend Gates water pumps, the impellar is metal and seems to be better quality than that of the motorcraft. Cloyes has really good quality timing components for these engines, that is what I use. It is not as bad as a job as you think, but this design is ridiculous. Stay away from the really inexpensive water pump/timing component kits. I have never tried one, but you don't want to have to end up doing this job twice from using crappy parts.
Truth be told. I would let the professionals handle this one. I will stick to the basic stuff.
Great job!
Like watching a surgeon, absolutely clinical! Best vid I've seen yet on this process. Son and I are going to tackle this on my 2011 Ford Flex this summer and do some preventative maintenance. . . . before it gets too expensive.
My father in law and I dive in to my 12 Taurus Jan 11. We are not pulling the whole motor though. Think it can be done still, just not as easy access. All parts and etc seem to be about $500 between autozone, amazon (they have the locking tools ), and local store. Quotes were $1500 to $2150 at dealerships.
@@zachc1297 Right on, wishing you all the best in this tedious process and looking forward to hearing how it went from a DIYers perspective. My first video on this subject was from Robinsonauto's channel (this is part 1: czcams.com/video/VjMgagyP0SI/video.html ), he diagnosed the OIL leak (not coolant leak out of the water pump weep hole) and P0016 code when the factory techs had no clue. He didn't take out engine either but simply took the right front wheel and wheel well dust cover off then jacked up from under the oil pan a little to unload the right passenger side engine mount and was able to access everything excep the very top areas from underneath. He also did not use the cam locking tools but I'll definitely be getting them. He also had an itemized part number and price list and think it was just over $500 (add 30% for us hapless Canadians lol).
If you don't already follow Ford Makuloco, he's a certified Ford tech and a wealth of excellent information and DIY step by step processes. He also had this to say about the water pump: czcams.com/video/R3-NOGZL8ms/video.html
Been driving Fords all my life, no longer impressed with this kind of engineering and the faulty maintenance schedules for various fluids including transmissions and AWD transfer cases (look them up on Makuloco's channel, the proof is always in the pudding). A) they don't want you working on them and B) they want you buying more vehicles.
If you are still having difficulty understanding the timing procedure for this engine, please check out this video from my friend, Brad on his channel. He does a much better job than I do explaining!
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Nice series Joe. If I was going to do videos it would probably be like yours. Keep them coming...I thoroughly enjoy watching others work :D
Hayward's Automotive, Id watch em if you did! Thanks as always 😎
Hell of a sneeze at 9:20! lol
As always Great video series. Appreciate the tips and tricks
Hey Joe, very meticulous job. Organizing things and labeling them. Putting things away and putting nuts on back etc. You did fine explaining! I'm the same way meticulous person when it comes to engines. :) great series!
Awesome guide for such a labor intensive job. THANK YOU!!
One of the easiest jobs to replace water pump..3.5 don't have to remove power plant from vehicle...good video👍
Really good video on it. Really like the numbering the holes .got one next week to do.
Dude! You're one helluva good wrench!
Great job and thanks you for all your videos i really learn from them,,,
Nice job with the repair Joe!
Ozzstar, thanks good sir.
Your shop has some good music playing! haha
Doing this at work on a 14’ explorer. Definitely a fun job
one the most thorough videos ever
Great idea with the garden pump!
Cool, very good trick with the sprayer pump priming chain tensioners up..nop i had no drama understanding the chain procedure, ive done only 1 v6 mitsubishi/hyundai complete restore engine more of a 4 banker hobbyish diy owner.
Another great video!!!!!!
this is insane all of this for a friggen routine water pump wow
Five cans of stop leak and a for sale sign - done.
I agree 💯 percent!!!
Very good timing sir
Very well articulated. ASE Master
Hell yeah listening to some metal in the shop
You cant tell me that this Ford engine is a good design with the water pump located inside the engine versus the way they use to be mounted outside. If I had this car and had a water pump leak I'd get rid of it. Seems to me this engine would never be right again.How many mechanics could there be to do what this young fellow did? Very good video and I wish I had you to work on my cars.... Cheers!
Amazing show. Worry every penny and more. That's a rediculous amount of work. Ford should have used electric water pump located somewhere else. Just dumb to bury a common item like this.
I'm going through this right now. I'm switching to Toyota. I have always had a Ford. I be enjoy my Taurus. But this, it is the most expensive repair I have ever had with them.
Please don't gauge the repair on this guy!!! He did far more work than what was needed. That job can be done in the chassis in 9 hours. Even when he removed the engine he work harder/ more than was needed! You should have read the workshop manual!
thats because ford went to kindergarden graduation to get their engineers
Where is your shop? If I ever need a water pump done you are the man.
Thank you good job 👏 👍
good job 👍
do you have a part number for the new stretch bolts?
It’s an amazing motor the 3.5 duratec. Yes crappy placement of water pump. But I have spoke to several people with over 200,000 and still has original water pump.
I did my 2013 3.5 tuarus at 83000 mile the only thing is I did it with motor still in car total time 16 hr in my driveway.its good you made video in showing all that you done that will be helpful to some weekend repair......
levellp I know this is an old comment, but hopefully you still see this. Im seriously considering doing this repair myself as well with the help of some car savvy people. Were there any major hang ups of doing it without removing the engine? As the only lift I have access to is further away than I’d like to have the car towed
Guy said he didnt removed the engine how that hell can be done with out removing the engine
Hi. Thank you for the video, this is very useful and valuable information. This is very detailed. I have questions, maybe you can comment, any thoughts... so:
1 I have a similar engine on the Ford EDGE 2008 3.5 Duratec and I plan to replace the pump myself, I watched some yuotube videos on this engine and hope I can handle it, but I can't understand if I can do it without a special tool to hold the camshafts?! The logic of my thoughts is that I only need to replace the water pump and therefore I will remove only the first large chain, so I will not need to hold the camshafts, what is your opinion?
Technically, Duratec 30 V6 (3.0L) is the most powerful and newest Ford FWD V6 engine you can get with water pump outside driven by belt. It was last produced for 2012 Ford Fusion and Escape. Maybe this is a highly-desirable used car now to transport your loved ones. The RWD 3.5L and 3.7L (F-150, Transit, and Mustang) are excluded from this problem, since it's a longitudinal version with its water pump located outside instead. Can you believe that?
Pinpoint'
Great job, thanks
Respectfully;
Andy
Who can afford this much cost for a routine maintenance item like a water pump? This video saved me a lot of cost, as were were looking at some very nice used Taurus models. Economically, a simple water pump failure would make these cars a total loss. What kind of management would approve such a design? The first time you need a water pump would be the last FORD product you ever buy.
I really appreciate the attention to detail you provided in this video series. I am confused about the timing cover torque sequence. Stage 2: States to tighten bolts 23, 24, and 25 to 133 lb-in, Stage 5: states to tighten bolts 23, 24, and 25 to 22 lb-in plus an additional 90 degrees. My Confusion is that if the bolts have been torqued to 133 lb-in in stage 2, how do I tighten the same 3 bolts to 22 lb-in, which is 111 lb-in less than they have already been tightened? The stages do not mention loosening bolts 23, 24, and 25 once they have been tightened as instructed in stage 2? I am thankful for any response you may be able to provide.
stage 5 is foot pounds not inch pounds
Would you recommend keeping this car if this happened to us? I had my car serviced at Ford, but one mechanic suggested the car will continue to break down, especially if there was antifreeze/water in the oil pan due to the water pump leak. My car over heated twice and had no fluid in. I filled it with water to hold me off till I got to the dealer. Suggestions from your experience.
Now i see why you removed the phasers..
you didnt say u were replacing everything.lol.....
Good clean job..
Hello. My mazda cx 9 2008 with a 3.7 engine has a mileage of 300 thousand kilometers. I changed the coolant at 280,000 km when I bought the car. The fluid is checked twice a week. Should I replace the pump or the car and check the condition of the coolant and engine oil? What are the first symptoms of a leaking pump? I am asking for your opinions.
My chain has the marks but the crank has one not two should I spin the crant to the mark? Thanks
i done one before--had no issues first time doing this--just did the water pump--didnt replace phasers or chain or anything----in any case the 2nd one i did i was to confident and i really went against my better judgment and i knew there was a lot of slack on the chain guide side--but i let it go anyway like a dumbass---started the engine-ran like crap------i also did not mark the chain--i did make one mark on the RH side with dot on cam sprocket-----in any case----i took back apart----aligned the dots on cam sprockets where they should be(according to ford manual-rh @ 11 o clock and LH @ 1 o clock)--was also able to get caam holder in----in any case so got back together again and started engine and it is smooth at idle no issues--when u try to accelerate it doesnt move that well and then kinda surges----of course now i get p0016 code-----took it apart again--verified marks or where they should----its just like what the fuck????--i am wondering if a cam phaser broke???--but also no noises or knocking noises---i would think if i damaged the engine it would be misfiring and run like crap--but idle is good--has anyone experienced this?
Are you using all motor craft replacements? If not what would you recommend?
And do the bigger bolts that hold the cover on the 15mil ones have rtv or locktite on them
Why did you take the phasers off? You can get the water pump out without removing them.
is this true? im about to do this
300Six yes I legit did it the day I posted this comment. There is one bolt behind one of the phasers you can back out just enough and pull the guide out.
But he also replaced the chains while he was in there. Good idea!
Could I ask how much this would cost to do at a shop. Have a bad water pump on my wife's 2011 explorer 3.5 V6. Thanks much
great video . have to change this water pump and timing in the wifes 2014 explorer 3.5 cyclone .plus pto ,good times .if you have any advice or tips . it would be helpful
builder by trade wish me luck
merry xmas
get rid of it
Is the water pump driven by the timing chain in a 2009 3.5 liter engine?
Would you recommend permatex ultra grey for the front cover? Or does it have to be ford silicone which I believe is black?
Permatex Black worked fine for me. Over 80k on this same repair and no oil leaks.
I know this is an old video and you probably won’t see this comment, but when you were off by a link, you adjusted the cam just a bit to align. That doesn’t throw the timing off?
I’m in this same situation, I’m positive nothing moved. I’m also using the tool on top so there’s no movement.
Wat did u torque the motor mount to?
where are you guys located at? how much do you guys charge for this service?
Dang!!!! The level of engineering dufus is amazing.i bet the engineer got employee of the year for this cluster f**k 😁😁😁
Does 2014 ford explore sports has the same motor??
Part 3 The man working on that Ford 2013 torus 3.5 engine changing the water pump did you forget to take your socket out of the oil pan? I saw your socket fall in to the oil pan. And did you get the all the anti-freeze out of the oil pan?
Socket fell on the ground
hello can you please tell me what size socket for the phaser bolt?
Incredible amount of work just to change the water pump. What are the labor hours?
bill beckett, its right around 11 hours if I remember correctly.
Did u you Ford's RTV or Ultra black
I need the the bolt pattern diagram for timing cover the numbers
Do you have to go back but all new change
At 15:36 I see that you are moving the cam over slightly to get the timing mark to align with the painted link…does this not throw the timing off? It looks like that cam would no longer be at approx 1:00…I was under the impression it had to be exact for it to be timed perfectly
Did you ever get an answer for this? I’m curious too. I’m working on one right now, I’m certain nothing moved but I’m also a link off.
Goodafternoon, I am helping my friend get his 2013 ford taurus fixed. We took it to a local shop with the best reputation and they claimed it would be a 2 day job. A week has gone by and they claim they just can't get the cams to line up for the timing and its not running right. When we took the car there it was spewing antifreeze, they did a pressure test and said it was the water pump. They quoted 1800 to replace it. They now called me and said they have to replace a cylinoid or some sort making the job much more expensive. When we brought the car in it was running just fine but it was spewing antifreeze so the timing was good when we got there. Do you think this job was above this shops skill level? What are your thoughts on this? We are going to refuse to pay the extra work they have created so I am prepping to know what we are talking about when we go back in to the shop. Also is it possible they installed the chains wrong then started it which I imagine would ruin the engine? Thank you for any information :)
It's very likely they incorrectly timed the engine causing the problems you're describing. This is a complex repair and not for the inexperienced.
How long did It take you to do the job? Book time is just under 10hr. I’m getting ready to do my first 3.5 water pump, that’s why I ask.
Never mind I just saw video 4. I’m going to do it your way
2015 Ford Taurus SEL, 89k miles and my water pump just started to leak. The dealer quoted a $2600 repair cost. Unbelievable!!!
Mines quoted me 4300 smh
I don't know if you can share the information, but what state you in? I would be comfortable with you working on my car instead of the shops around here.
What's the toqure spec on the harmonic balancer and the toqure spec on the tensionior bolts?
Crankshaft balancer bolt:
Stage 1 Tighten to 89 lb-ft
Stage 2 loosen one full turn
Stage 3 Tighten to 37 lb-ft
Stage 4 Tighten an additional 90 degrees
I have chain but no marking
My brother-in-law just installed a new water pump and now I have a P0019 code. Cook the timing be slightly off?
Joon kinloch, unfortunately yes, it is very likely that that is the case 😕
Triangle Diagnostics thanks
Triangle Diagnostics I have one last question please!
Where is the P0019 - Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation Bank 2 Sensor 'B located?
السياره جميله وتحس بانها امريكيه من جودتها تستخدمها الشرطه في السعوديه واكثر الناس تحب سيارات فورد ودوج وشفروليه ولاكن من العيوب وتر بومب وانها بدون جلد و٤ سلندرات وبدون فتحه السقف اتمني تعود السعوديه تورس بجوده افضل وبدون مشاكل ميكانيكيه
Do you have a part number for the fitting that you used in the oil pressure sensor hole?
Pico Boo, sorry man I don't. I just matched up a barbed fitting to the sensor. Im sure you can find the right size for almost any one at any big box hardware store.
Triangle Diagnostics ok, thanks. I got one of these coming in next week so just trying to get prepared. I'll have your videos up for reference for sure. 👊
Triangle Diagnostics it appears to be a 1/4" by 18 NPT, so a 1/4" air line fitting works😀
Designed to be expensive to maintain. I hope the performance is worth the cost.
Obey your Master.
WATER PUMP FAILURE - BLOWN ENGINE: (Tarus, Flex & Edge all the same) I have a 2010 Edge - I drive about 5K a year these days. A couple of months ago the water pump failed - only 65K in my Edge and I am having to replace the motor now. (really poor design by Ford) I didn't get any warning at the time of failure, water temp went high and damage was done! No "check engine" or other warning lights? Thanks Ford.
Good
can you remove the water pump without removing the phasers?
You can, you just have to get the inner guides off. You can do so with an open end 8mm wrench and some finesse.
One word: insane. Thought about trading in my 2004. No way in hell.
Where I live RUST will trade it in for you. I had a 2003 Taurus wagon in fantastic shape mechanically, but I had to junk it because the undercarriage rotted away to nothing and wasn't safe anymore. Now I'm just hoping and praying my '08 Taurus doesn't ever need this job while we own it (only has 63k miles).
@@nodak81 I had the same problem with my 2005 Taurus, the subframe rusted out. It only had 56,00 miles on it and it ran great. Got 400 on a trade for a 2012 Taurus limited with 80,500 miles. I did purchase a 3 year, 36,000 mile service contract which was included in the purchase price that covers the the water pump and the engine with zero deductible. It really is a beautiful car.
hola nesecito inpotar repuestos para mi taurus 2008
How many miles did the engine have on it?
I have an 02 with 7k miles
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Is that the same OEM water pump that failed in the first place he's putting back on?
ya, imagine putting on a chinese one from autozone.....
all water pumps go out sooner or later. the big problems with this engine is were its located. that water pump is probably a updated design from the original one
2010 Ford Taurus 250,000 miles water pump just went out :(
javier yanez 250k miles is awesome as some people have had the water pump go out under 100k. Even getting to 200k without doing the water pump = time to dump the car before it goes out as it’s a minimum $1600 job and upwards of $2500 depending upon how much you replace with it.
Did you stop doing videos and why
how can you tell the water pump was leaking from the weep hole if it's enclosed by the timing chain cover, wish you would've shown that
You're right, I should have shown that :(. The water pump weep hole has an orifice that feeds through a galley in the engine block, exiting a small port directly behind the water pump externally from the engine block. I'm sorry I didn't do a better job explaining that my friend.
thanks for the info, know what to look for now.
Triangle Diagnostics I think you mean behind the alternator 😀
Pico Boo, lol yep you is right on that 😂
kind of figured it was the alternator, i just didn't proof read it.
I think I heard Ford allows for 8 or 10 hours labor for this. Sure if the engine is out of the car!
سؤال لماذا لم تقوم بوضع غراء (معجون لاصق) على طرمبة الماء قبل تركيبها 🤓
Well shit, I’m dealing with this now..how much would this cost at a shop??
2100.35 at the dealer for my 2014 ford taurus
Thank you, I just got mine fixed for about $1500 but not at a dealership..sooo expensive
@@MarioD9988 dealer charge me 2200 small shop 1400 but I dont know if I can trust a small shop for this job plus dealer said I have 2 year unlimited miles guarantee so 🤔
I hope someone at Ford realizes this pump location is in a bad location for future repair costs? And I know there are other companies running their water pumps off the timing chain, but not good!
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Digital torque wrench with angle makes this a breeze.
Do you know how much your shop is charging the customer for this job, Joe? =))
Star Master Tech, hehe, well fortunately this a recent purchase under warranty, so the customer didn't pay a thing. Billed cost, around 1500.
I figure that. I made a few visits to dealers lately, and they have lots of warranty works being done as well.
Can u send me chain pictures please?