Why does the Ford Taurus, Explorer, Edge 3.5L water pump cost over $1400?
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- In this video I go over why the Ford Taurus, Explorer, Edge 3.5L V6 water pump job costs so much. The parts may be cheap, but the amount of labor involved in the job is very high. If it’s turbocharged then it’s even more.
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There's a special place in Hell for automotive engineers where they have to fix everything they ever designed with no instructions while being whipped every 3-5 seconds. Edit: Thanks for all the likes and comments!
Hell must be getting full then..
Jonathan Ryan I hope they show it on cable TV in Heaven. Great comedy entertainment!!!
Flogging, yes
Lol
don't forget, in the dirt, in summer, in the south. It has gotten bad enough I tell people I don't work on cars anymore.
My dad, a retired mechanic, has a theory. At some point in automotive history, a designer caught a mechanic in bed with his wife. And the designer has been getting even ever since.
And punish all mechanics? What a dick.
Mechanics fuck alot of ppl.
What? That means more money for the mechanic. Youd want to design the engines a lot simpler so every DIYer can repair their vehicle and buy the parts themself aswell
@@ARealPain It only means more $$ for the mechanic if they get it right the first time. If they cheap out on the part or if the only locally available part is garbage and they have a backlog, but labor cost is only 1/2 covered by part manufacturer on defective parts... you get where this is going. At a quick glance, the aftermarket replacements run from $30-$100 with no discernible quality difference, and that price range includes "Ford Motorcraft" (displayed as "FoMoCo") labeled parts.
This is joke of the year🤣😂🤣😂😂🙌👏🏽👏🏽
Amazon sells both cam lock plates and the secondary cam tool in a kit for $23.99 just in case anyone needs them to do this job.
Link?
Inky Doggy or maybe just stick a pair of vice grips up there? Seems like it’ll work to me
@@loganlowe7290 thats what Ferrari does. just clamp the gears together with vice grips so they dont move lol.
Link pls?
@@joshuadavila9290 it's in the video description.
Nobody builds engines like this unless thier intent was to send you to the dealer to service it. Wow.
My 92 Honda was something like that and the water pump was not easy to get to, I had a mechanic friend fix it, so I don't know what the cost is but I'm sure it's a lot too. It's the way things are designed now, same I used to work on a electronic repair shop and some stereo receivers are terrible to work on.Very difficult to take them apart.
No, sometimes engineers just are that dumb and careless. I've seen it first hand.
@@cat-lw6kq early 90s hondas are NOTHING like this. Not even comparable.
My 81 Prelude was so easy to work on. Made in Japan.
@@cat-lw6kq if you can't do a water pump on a 90s Honda you don't belong anywhere near a car while holding a wrench.
Cadillac: We're going to hide our starter motor under the intake manifold. HAHA, won't that be a pain to get to.
Ford: Hold my beer.
Lexus does the same thing
Assume you’re talking about a N*? Had several. Changed my first starter in one with no specialty tools, having never done it... in a bit over an hour. It lasted 220K kms.
N* starter is actually really easy to get to, just time consuming. You can do it in a couple hours with a single 10mm IIRC socket. Tightest bolt is like 28nm of torque.
In 10 years of owning cars with these engines, I've never had to replace a starter, just happened to see it when replacing an intake plenum.
I’ve had many waterpumps fail but rarely a starter. I’d prefer a caddy over this Ford Engine from a repair standpoint. Do d my 5.3 in maybe 90 mins. The 3.5 is s gonna burn up a day and 3x the cost.
Tony Jackson it is funny how bad of a rap the northstar got because of the starter placement. I worked at a Cadillac dealership and never replaced one. Now oil leaks and head gaskets were a different story. I can’t believe the amount of bad press that starter placement got over the years. And they’re not the only ones who’ve done that.
And i thought changing the timing belt on my Mitsubishi was difficult, this has cheered me up.
My wife has a 2016 Ford Flex 3.5 tt with a bad wheel speed sensor so I'm here on CZcams then I come across this That Sinking Feeling that you get when you learn something but you didn't want to learn . I'm glad that guys like you put these videos out for us driveway mechanics.
Knowledge is power. Ford isn't the only one that does this ridiculousness.
Water pumps WILL leak eventually. If outside the engine no huge problem as long as you don't ignore your dash light, let the coolant get too low, and the engine overheats. But when inside the engine the coolant leak can mix with the engine oil and will rapidly destroy the engine. Planned obsolescence at its finest.
That's exactly what happened to my parents Ford Edge. They couldn't believe it.
As I said knowledge is power. Do some research and find a well engineered vehicle to replace it with. Then get rid of it as fast as you can!
I bet it will cost like 4500 to replace that sensor.
Id say its totalled and get a new one.
That Flex is a total sleeper, on same drivetrain as taurus sho!
@@johnwyman6331 The toyota 3.5L is a flawless engine. Especially the Lexus version, with 2 sets of injectors that Ford stole their idea so it don't cake up the valves. It was actually designed by the same people who designed the Taurus SHO motors (Yamaha).
Get rid of that Ford before it's too late.
At $1,400 this water pump should never have to be replaced in the first place. Thanks for the video, I will avoid that vehicle like the Plague.
Avoid the brand like the plague
That's right that's why he a rip off I put one on just like it and it only took 4 hrs well 1400 is way to much I did mine for 150
@@jimleonard5447 how ? Mine they put the engine down and it cost me 950 dollars
Someone was using tap water?
It’s 1400 dollars for parts and labor- typically the labor can be 12.5 -20 hours
As a mechanical engineer with 25+ years of real in-the-field experience, I find this engine design to be completely inexcusable. I always search CZcams for caveat emptor videos before buying any used car. I was considering the purchase of a 2011 Explorer with the 3.5L for my daughter. This video convinced me to keep looking. Thank you for saving me a huge headache.
Other than the water pump, I think they’re pretty solid.
@@PetesGarageandperformance Hmm... in that case, I might use it as a bargaining chip for a reduced price on the vehicle. LOL
Ford's 3.0l v6 doesn't have that problem
which one recomend? im in the same boat
I remember changing a water pump on my 300D Mercedes.
4 bolts.
20 dollar pump.
Nothing could be easier.
same on the Volvo red block engines.
Yeh there is. 5.9 Cummins. 2 bolts. O ring gasket can be done in less then 10 minutes
it is a very good design, all consumables should be very accessible, it is a basic rule in any industrial design
@@lewisbradford3305
From 2005 on, Mercedes and BMWs are money pits and that's why they can be had pretty cheap when a few years old.
Didn't you have to loosen the alternator to remove the belt... on the 300SD it uses a double belt system on the 617 turbo.
I stopped watching this at 3 minutes before I needed a doctor.
This is absolutely stupid engineering.
Yep but non of you Chevy guys want to talk about the timing belt problems with the older Colorado’s that you have to pull everything off the engine to change then which usually cost $2000 for that
The Colorado didn’t have any timing chain issues. Definitely had cylinder head/valve seat issues on the I5 engines. I replaced hundreds of cylinder heads on H3s. No need to pull the front cover to do those though. Every manufacturer has certain things that are a nuisance.
@S O U T H E R N you got it!
All American auto manufacturers put the importance of engineering behind the sales and bean counters. Maybe after in a few decades after they've all gone bankrupt a little light bulb will go off in their heads and realize the average consumer isn't as stupid as they take us for.
It's the engineering of capitalism.
This is why im driving my 1973 lemans. just did the water pump and it cost me less than a hundred dollars doing it myself. plus my car looks badass..
Chuck Itall We have a 72 with the Pontiac 350 love that car.
@@waterloo123100 Yeah the pontiac engine is interesting, same block and yet different displacement. I was told mine was changed to a 400. Hard to determine that by appearances.
Overheating due to corroded pump parts and those sleeves are something people can't figure out with those engines too unless you do a total rebuild or change the pump and narrow the gap in the intermediate pump part.
So, as these cars get older and the miles pile up, a bad water pump job could easily exceed the value of the car and
render the cat totalled. A lot of shops would suggest to the owner to call a junkyard. What a miserable design!
Thats good I see myself driving a nice EcoBoost Taurus in the future. The same way me and my dad still drive 6.0 powerstrokes bought em cheap did the work and they run like wild animals
How wasteful. I've poured "more money than the car's worth" into fixing timing chain driven water pumps! The last one only lasted 220k miles...do your part and keep up on cooling system maintenance and maintaining the rest of the vehicle. I'd rather change the part in a vehicle I've owned since new and know the maintenance history on than to buy someone else's problems (and unknown maintenance history) on a used vehicle
Brent Boswell so, you pay two thousand dollars to replace the water pump on your 175,000 Taurus that is
worth maybe 1500.00. Next month the transmission go's bad. You spend another 3000.00. Another month
a red light runner totals your miled up Taurus. Insurance Co.could give a rats rear about the money you spent and
gives you a check for 1500.00....maybe. Wanna roll the dice? Not me!
that junky car would be totaled at 65,000 miles in my opinion...i would have driven it through the dealer window...i cant have anything but Toyota by court order
Craig Jorgensen ... When you run over the cat, it is totalled in nearly every case. Splat.
This is some next level fuckery.
And sorcery
I was so shocked by this knowledge that I was thinking of a reply that would convey my thoughts. Your statement was perfect.
You nailed it.
It's a horrendous piece of sh*t.
Oh...definitely
I’ve done many of these water pumps. You don’t have to take the phasers off the rear bank. You can take a 8mm wrench and loosen the timing guide bolt up enough to snake the pump out, you can make your own timing marks , cam to chain and crank to chain, and you won’t even need the holding tools, just in case you do another in the future.
This comment 🙌. But these police cars run through these waterpumps so often, it's still a nightmare.
Only on the single phaser models. On the dual phaser models (2011 and later) you absolutely have to take off the phasers to get off the guide. They changed the guide to a much larger design and loosening the bolt is no longer sufficient.
@@seekerrild4629 I do not take the house off, you can loosen it and move it out enough. 😉
Use the lock plates anyway. The cam can rotate with compression.
Built Ford tough ( to repair ).
Lmao.
I like your comment hahahahaha
Yeah, ever heard of GM 3.6 timing chains? They are basically lined up out the door at our dealership.
Yeah but GM didn’t use the timing chains to drive the water pump. When the 3.6l pump fails (which they do) it doesn’t require this much work to replace.
@@PetesGarageandperformance either way though, timing chains are being done. I would bet that GM has more 3.6 timing chain failures than Ford has water pumps on the 3.5. At least at our dealership, and every other tech I've talked to at other dealers.
Robert Beck - WRONG!!!! Fords are awesome!
A distinct lack of serviceability in the design.
DOes anyone, anywhere, publish a list of vehicles that have poor serviceability so that the rest of us can avoid purchasing them and making our lives nightmares?
yes. Used car quality index. its on dashboard-light.com
I don't know of any site that compiles car serviceability. However, I know that Toyota and Honda generally make reliable and serviceable cars. Unless I need to tow heavy stuff, I don't bother looking at other brands.
Ford, Dodge (or any Mopar), VW
Yes, it's called buying Toyota and Honda.
SteelHex the new Toyota is bitch to change the oil filter on
I did my own WP on my 2009 Ford Flex, it was 29 hours, included all chains, tensioner, guides, thermostat & new coolant. The original WP was still fine, but the engine had 206,000 km and I wanted to beat the failure.
Late REPLY!! am watching all the videos as my '12 Taurus is leaking out currently so time to get it done. All the parts, including the whole timing chain kit (chain, guides, tensioners, and even the locks) can be had for about $400-500 bucks (oil, rags, coolant too). Its the time on this one, and the mess.
Your lucky. My 2008 Ford Edge (240,000 miles) water pump failed and drowned the crank case full of water. Almost seized the engine. Ford wants $3000 to change it. 20 hours labor plus the parts you mentioned.
@@mannymaddog2171 If I can do this job in my garage with no air tools, and no hoist, the dealer should be able to do it in less than 15 hours! My 29 hours is totally honest and included my time spent wondering how to get the timing cover back on without smearing the special Ford spec sealant that only has 5 minutes of open time before skinning over... The engine now has 222,000 kilometers, and no oil leaks, no coolant leaks so I did a good job :o)
@@mannymaddog2171 250k miles? you got your money's worth for sure
@Salt Maker I do unfortunately. Because of covid I didn't have the money to fix it. I tried to sell it. Even seasoned mechanics are afraid to try to repair it. I drained the water out of the crank. I ran diesel fuel in the crank for 5 minutes three times. Then I ran used oil twice with a new filter. Then new oil and filter. Runs great but it obviously can't and shouldn't be driven for more than a few minutes without coolant.
This is the type of repair that will cost some people, their job, house and credit if they can't afford to get it fixed.
I'm keeping my 92 chevy s10 ,this is why I don't buy new
83 C10 with a 305 and licsence plate floors.
Rather drive it than anything with a computer
@@notablynova4247 its not computers that are the issue, it's reaching the level of stupidity as this junk. one of my favorite engines 3800 series II supercharged is computer controlled, but they were a well thought out engine.
@@ad356 the same series II known for head gasket issues, transmission issues and supercharger issues?
LOL
My point went completely over your head as every vehicle that had that engine was computer controlled and could easily fall victim to every problem related to a computer.
Hell Pontiac is known for having serious electrical issues during the series II era and especially in the GTP and SSEI which were the flagship cars of the supercharged 3.8 and the transmissions hooked to said series II 3.8 whether sc or not are well known to be the biggest flop since the second generation Ford Taurus.
I personally have seen that series drop trans at as early as 68,000 miles.
While my series one 89 Bonneville went 290,000 and never dropped the transmission
I'm talking all issues related to computer control such as body module failure, computer failure, etc.
Wait till your body control module dies and causes you to have no start issues, gauge issues, etc.
Then you will understand my point
yeah,got a 86 ,4 cyl. with over 330,000 mi. every time I check out one of these videos it makes it look better all the time .
@TiconderogaX
What you want is an lc2. The predecessor to that motor. Im sure you know that though. I won't work on anything transversely mounted. ^that guy isn't a ford fan, he's somewhat right. Except that, poor design is the enemy, not fuel injection. Do you know how much timing is taken out at shift points on your precious series II? That's why they are slow even after modified and they make power. Fwd is the enemy.
I choose to drive an old car that does not cost so much to repair.
You and me both. I drive a 02 Cavy and a 98 Eldorado. These new cars/engines are money pits.
87 Chevy r10
I’ll drive her till the wheels fall off.
@@UrielX1212 the Northstar in that Eldorado isn't exactly a picnic to work on either
@@4ampaul No but at least the water pump and most of the accessories are relatively easy to get to. Even the dreaded starter isn`t that big of a deal either.
I'll stick with my 1995 Cummins 12V at 445k miles nothing but oil changes, or my 300k mile Toyota with nothing but timing belts and oil changes. I paid less than $2500 for each one.
I haven't broken the model year 2000 barrier yet...thanks for reminding me why I own old (1999) cars.
Jerry Smith thank goodness
boostedsil40 key words "30yr old nissan" BEFORE RENAULT RUINED THEM
boostedsil40 my 1st car was 2000 Maxima... BULLETPROOF.. And that was in 2012, when it was time for me to get another car, I never got another Nissan once I knew they started that CVT shit... I've been in Lexus and Toyotas ever since with the exception of a Infiniti Q50 I had last year,
Ha, ha,. I have never even owned an OBDII vehicle.
Just push it off a cliff! Side note, it is probably designed like that on purpose, to give dealerships more income. ^_^
I don’t know. They run pretty good when they aren’t broken! In all my years working in the dealerships I’ve come to realize that the service department is not a factor that ever came to mind when designing a vehicle. It’s more like “how can I cram this into that and make it work”.
Hmmmm... so you think its more about how much shit they can cram into the engine bay? I can see that. Haha. "Lets put a V12 in there, it'll fit!"
Not sure if that’s really how it is, but it sure seems that way!
Have an 2011 edge with the same engine. The dreaded door ajar failure happened a few years ago and requires 4-6 hours of labor plus an expensive part. Fixed the problem by removing interior light bulbs. When water pump goes I'm having it hauled to the scrap yard and buying another Tesla.
PowerSports Great stupid comment.
Wow! Absolutely convinced I will not be buying another Ford. This b.s. is what you would expect from European cars.
Probably was designed and built by foreign manufacturers ?
This is no surprise because Ford & Volvo are in bed together, and the industry is engineered to require dealership service (just look at special tools required of any brand).
Lol, stop being whiny babies. Engines have come a long way in 100 years. They aren't gonna always be fixed as easy as an oil change. Man up, or get a bicycle. Or pay some other dude $$$ who doesn't give two craps about your car, because it isn't his.
@@ichoozjc SMH
I have a 16 year old Mercedes 180,000 miles. Still on all the original parts like wheel bearings and water pump etc....
That's just foolish technology ,thanks for the heads up . I wouldn't be buying any used Taurus's in the future.
Stephen youtubin something even better. Dont own a ford
@@cashmoney7497 I learned after the first, and last, ford I bought.
then you shouldn't buy any modern day cars since all have basically the same design engines .. if you think this is bad, then stick to cars from the 70s and 80s since Chrysler been doing this since 1999, gm since 2003.
4th gen and older from experience are actually really great cars. Motor mounts always go bad before 200k, rust buildup usually blocks the heater core around then as well. Both are easy fixes. Everything is very easy to get at, much easier than the GM cars I've owned and worked on. I own a 2001 Mercury Sable (exactly the same as taurus w/ very minor body style changes), and love it. Drives like an old lincoln. I don't trust anything Gen5 and up, too new for me to have any knowledge or experience with it. Gen4 taurus/sables are extremely popular vehicles.
@@theR6969 GM since way before 2003. Let's not forget when they put a single core radiator designed for V4 engines, in their V6 Pontiac Grand Am/Grand Prix. Plus, the temperature gauge is faulty and often won't tell you it's overheating. And, the seal in the reservoir cap is known to break too. And the years prior to 2003 were not immune to this. Go to your local scrap yard and bask in the mass amounts of Grand Ams with blown headgaskets. Or the fact that different cars of the same year and model from GM will have 3 random variations of torque bit sizes just to make maintenance that much more tedious. Ford doesn't have all that bullshit torque bits and other nonsense.
Ford > GM, change my mind.
EDIT:
Oh, yeah, also, one word. Dexcool. Fuck GM.
The car is a 2014 and it needs a water pump already ROFL.
Tong L lmaooo tfoohh!!!! Ford and Taurus can kiss my ass
That was my first thought, absurd failure. US auto companies produce total crap.
Depends on milage and engine hours, keep in mind a lot of these are police cars that never stop idling.. that being said my 2015 cummins has eaten a water pump already, but has crazy high milage
extremerc76 I'm not sure if my pump had ever been changed. I have an 05 duramax with 330k miles. So far no problems
yea i have the same car with 135 on the dash so maybe its due...lol
Very impressive job! To the point and no bull crap!! Great sound, lighting and camera steady. very rare! Thanks!
Thank you very much. I try! Lol
Water pumps, alternators and starter motors should all be easily accessable, but lets face it, they could care less.
Its all about how fast they can build and sell them.
also dealer turn around. The harder it is for the normal guy to change at home the more likely it is to come back to them to make money off of.
That's why I steer clear of any vehicles built to fuck my wallet like I'm some kind of whore.
@@ifnotnowwhen6914
Its a game.
I'm a wiseass, I'll draw a smiley face with rtv on the inside of a framerail on something I'm working on and pranks like that.
Its the same with the oil filter location department.
Just another perfect reason to never own a modern Ford.
Yeah I switched to GM when my brand new ford truck would routinely launch spark plugs,,primary and secondary timing chain,,that says it all,,over engineering..
All manufacturers have a service department. Just saying
Larry You bought a GM? What a sucker.
@@larry40 right on!
@al carr not my 68 chevy truck k10 (4x4)
Very reliable!!! Bought it 38 years ago. Going to drive it this weekend.
This honestly makes BMW's electric pumps look like a genius system
might look into BMW's if I'm paying premium price for a freaking water pump on a Ford
No kidding. I’m a “lucky” owner of both makes with genius designs. Done the bmw but the ford stuff is above my pay grade.
Out of all the car manufactures, I HATE working on FORD vehicles the most. Special tools galore and they bury everything.
Ford isn't that bad really. Just wait till you try working on a modern GM car like a Holden Commodore. Those are even worse and break much more often.
I teach drivability and the automatics and drive lines class and auto electronics 2. All car companies have more difficult models and while you guys complain about it being difficult, that's what gives you a job. If they made it too easy, most people would do it themselves.
I'm gonna disagree and go with MK3 VW's, oh the redundancy!!
@@tomtom1541 I just brought a Pontiac GTO (Holden Monaro). Such a weird duality. Some parts are well designed and easy to get to but alot of the switchgear in held together by cheap abs plastic, electronic gremlins..and you get suckered into someone servicing your key for a battery because its sealed together.
@TiconderogaX uhh Im a gm fanboy..but you know the waterpump in a Cadillac Northstar is notoriously hard to work on as well. The New turbo ecotechs are a pita to work on.
Tools and labor arent cheap. Knowledge isnt free either. Now you know and knowing is half the battle.
it cost money to know, when people call me out to fix their plumbing i told them it cost money to come to their house, and they want free estimates, i told them if they can drive to my house for free then ill drive to their house for free.
Engineering degrees aren't cheap either, yet one of the most common points of failure is designed this way. Hot coolant under pressure a seal away from a sealed bearing. What could possibly go wrong with that? That's why the Ancient Ones put them outside in front of the engine, driven by a belt, where they could be gotten to.
Way to go, Ford. Damn millenial engineers staring at a computer screen all day thinking it's reality.
@@dangda-ww7de no wonder u get no jobs. Lol
They call and ask how much is this and how much is that, i reply back and said, if they have to ask how much then i dont think they can afford it. @@usadaytrader
@@usadaytrader I dont need lowball bottom feeder customer asking for price over the phone.
I'll keep my 4.6 with the water pump that cost me forty bucks and all of 10 minutes to change thanks ford for these new Eco piles of crap
crown Victoria lifestyle lmao same here love the old fords
crown Victoria lifestyle
If you can correctly change the water pump start to finish completely in under 10 minutes I’ll kiss your ass and give you an hour to draw a crowd. It’s a minimum 45 minute job. I’ve done a few.
I'll keep my old school small and big block Chevy and Ford Windsor engines, along with a Ford 460 now and then thank you very much. The straight 6s from both of them too!
Crown Vic forever.....the king of cars.
Charles Bronson The wife n I looked at an Astro or Safari (same thing) years ago but bought a GMC short wheelbase full size Mark III conversion instead. Like your Astro, it had the 4.3 engine and we put God knows how many miles on that van hauling the kids around! Other than regular maintenance, I changed one water pump and one alternator. While vans aren't the easiest vehicles to work on, that engine was pretty much bullet proof, basically a 350 with 2 cylinders missing. The van met an untimely end when someone blew a stop sign in front of me. I was doing about 35 m.p.h. and T-boned his F-250. The other guy and I were both fine. I don't know what happened with his truck but it was V shaped. I knew that the van was totaled because the right front tire was pushed up into the passenger door. The frame was broken behind the upper A-arm but the passenger side floor wasn't damaged. My wife and I STILL miss that van!
Thanks for showing us. It helps the normal guy understand.
It is a really bad design, to go back to timing chains is a positive but the main reason to go back is for reliability. A car that needs to be in the garage for 3 days to have a waterpump changed isn't reliable.
No excuse Ford, this is a terrible design error. No excuse, a water pump can be driven of off any auxiliary belt and if that doesn't seem reliable enough you can put a double aux belt system on.
The water pump on the vehicle is inside the timing cover driven by the timing chain. Theres a bounty out for the engineer!
Nissan VQ35 V6 has a timing chain driven pump, but its much smaller and can be replaced through small covers in the timing chain cover. A lot easier than this bullcrap.
Dodge chargers with the 3.5.lts have same thing the water pump its along the belt timing but never heard about they damage the engine when failed.. Mayne it have another system
I just bought a 1983 BMW R65. Utterly simple and a pleasure to work on. Clutch out at the roadside is doable! Recycle? No! Never take it to the dump!
Secondary chains for the second pair of cams?what? The main chain ducks all the way down to meet the water pump and then comes up again??? Rocker covers AND timing cover off to get to the pump because the cams have to be held on the rocker cover side??? Even old Fiats had pins you put in without taking the rocker cover off.
I saw a vid of a new HD twin engine that had similar design flaws. I think junior engineers just start from scratch in 3D and don't consider the 'well known' stuff that has been forgotten. Looks great on the render, does 40MPG and makes loads of power and is cheap to assemble. Just don't ever open the hood. Just like my washing machine, my 'phone, the house boiler and all the other 'disposable' crap that is killing the planet.
Things are designed to be cheap and easy to make, if that makes them very expensive to repair, that's a bonus
Does Ford have Audi or BMW engineers now!? Does Scotty Kilmer know about this?
Yeh, this is definitely german design inspired! 😄
Except BMWs have used electric water pumps for the last 10+ years that are a cakewalk to replace, kek.
Carlos Moreira he probably does
Not true , nissan been doing it for years in their v6
No Scotty kilmer loves Ford's
It's a Ford.
And you have to remember engineers just have to design something that can be cheaply assembled.
THEY DON'T have to repair them.
I have worked with Engineers ALLLLLL my life. It is a rare bird that understands working on something. Especially after a
couple years down the road. Their designs work perfectly in CAD. They work perfectly in assembly and test. They work perfectly when new and they shipped(well almost always--fingers crossed) But throw in some dirt/wear-n-tear/replacement part... and it typically goes to hell. That's where the Techs come in and figure how to get this POS back up and running. Cussing those dirty bastards at every step. Then we report back on how to make it better/work better/repair better.....F-ing Crickets from management and engineering. Only when "It hits the wall" HARD. Where they throw buckets of money at the problem do they maybe sorta kinda ask us how to fix it. We smack our foreheads and say Yeah! We have been telling you how for months/years.
And you know what? It happens everyday. At every company, OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
Thank goodness for OT!
Cheers
MJ
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I am an engineer who designs things that are difficult to repair. I do so because people demand I do so. I hate it just like you, but customers only care about what is shiny when new and they buy what is cheapest and gets the best initial reviews long term quality and performance be damned. I gotta make a living so I do what I do, but when I buy things I make sure I can repair it.
Thank God ford's 3.0l v6 doesn't have that water pump unlike the 3.5l, 3.7l v6
Thank you for the thorough explanation! I just had my 2013 Taurus’ water pump replaced and the total after taxes was $1700. I was determined to jump on YT and find evidence that I was robbed but now I understand much better. I understand parts fail over time but I just had the fuel intake (whatever) replaced in May and 2 months later this happens... uuughh. I should’ve extended my warranty. 😖 thanks again for this video!
This is the exact reason I made the video. To help people understand why it’s so expensive on this particular vehicle. Thanks for watching.
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I called my local shop and was quoted for 3000to do the pump, replace timing chain and tensioners which you should do if it's all coming apart because the chain is vary long and suffers from stretching.
I do these all the time lol. You don't need to take off the secondary timing chains off. You can use a swivel ratchet wrench and loosen the right side chain guide and pull it forward enough for the water pump to clear
Hello.. Any suggestions on a 2006 Dodge Durango Hemi 5.7 litter oil pan gasket.. Another pain in the arse to replace. Everywhere i go they say the engine has to come out.. Another shit design..
Cant on the 2011 and later models. They updated the guides to be much longer and will no longer clear the pump. Unfortunately I know from experience.
Here I thought my suzuki grand vitara water pump was a bad job. Yup, it's also behind the timing cover, a stupid design there was no reason for. But to have the water pump being the timing chain idler, that's forcing disposability.
you know . . ? ? . . . that reminds me of what Pontiac did to the turbo trans am. they ran the bypass inside the water jacket
through the head and side of the block. it done very good until the elbow deteriorated. . . every time. now that was a design flaw.
and as for that water pump, they done that because of '' space issues '' . and as for the >.> '' exhaust timing camshaft '' . . . that is a very new one to me, they should have gave that car the '' SPECIAL '' name tag.
thank you for taking the time to inform us of what '' NOT TO GET '' .
awesome video !!
3000 thumbs up !!
Somewhere a engineer is laughing until he pisses his pants!
This is why I'm driving a 1988 Chevy 350.
@white zebra changes itself!
I drive a 91 Toyota that hardly ever needs anything fixed and the MPG is also really great. I just got a 01 Windstar van and its a big POS!
@white zebra yes, the ford oil. My buddy used to say, " if a ford ain't dripping oil, it is out of oil" .
Or me a 2001 grand marquis
@@heavymechanic2 why in God's Earth did you buy one of those!!! I'll pray for you!!!
$1,800 May 2018. 2013 Taurus in vehicle water pump replacement at a Ford dealer. The mechanic knew a “trick” to do it quicker. Took him 4 hours longer than the book time.
I almost bought a Ford Flex but this scared me away. Thank you. There are so many better alternatives that are easier to work on. My big question is what advantage is there to having the water pump in that spot? Every other 3.5l FWD v6 has an easily accessible water pump (honda pilot, toyota highlander, etc.)
Space
Zero advantage, unless you're a ford dealer.
I love how everyone acts like it's just Ford, go try and change a starter on a Northstar V8. ;)
Or a Toyota Tundra V8
On Chevy Chevettes, the steering column had to be dropped.
Pretty simple, remove intake, remove starter, straight forward
Pull off the cross brace,shield, connectors,PCV, brackets,fuel rail,and so on, before you've even gotten to the intake. A couple of bolts and done, that's straight forward.
Toyota Avalon 2002: Try changing spark plugs on rear bank of the V6! Porsche Boxster: Try getting to ANYTHING on the engine! The list can go on and on. Basically, the more powerful/fuel-efficient/complex/inexpensive an engine becomes, the more serviceability suffers.
the more i watch car vids the more im convinced NOT to buy anything above 2001 make...
mingiasi As a mechanic you wills save thousands that way. Currently driving a 99 Civic 1.6
Get an EV, none of these silly stupid parts are needed.
@@waterloo123100 my 01 prelude stick can be park for a year and still jump the battery and drive.
truth4reel My brother has two 5th gen ludes we love them cars
Patrick O A Ev car cost thousands of more dollars then what I paid for my car and it still uses brakes suspension and power steering like a ICE car. EV’s are not the way.
Free advice, Loosen the cam bolts by holding the camshaft with a 22mm wrench. Once all 4 are loose you can drop the special tool in to lock the cams in place.
Yep that’s what I did. The next one I did, I didn’t take the cam actuators loose.
A timing chain driven water pump? Are they absolutely mad? I thought my old Mercedes were a pain in the ass to work on..
Timing chain driven water pumps are not that rare. But most last the lifetime of the vehicle, not just a few years like Ford's junk. Also most aren't behind the guides or idlers etc. Most you can release the tensioner and slip the chain off the pump and swap it out.
Josh
How old of a Mercedes we talking about here, I'm was thinking of buying one.
the 92 Honda is that way too, don't know about the later models as I don't drive anymore.
@@cat-lw6kq Those were belt driven, not chain.
you're right it had a belt my mechanic friend helped me replace it, not so easy. He's an experience mechanic but it was the first time he had done one. The water pump is not easy to get to, Honda dealer will replace it even if it's ok because of the labor involved, so if you do the belt they include the new pump. I never liked that design.
You don’t know the worst of it. The water pump sits directly over the oil pan. When the coolant leaks through the front bushing it leaks into the oil pan. If not caught right away? I’ll just say you should do a little research online. Get ready to pay the big bucks for a new engine. Not to worry. The newer 3.5’s got an upgrade. They removed the water pump from the timing chain and put an idler pully in its place and routed a tube to the front of the engine and put the water pump on the outside . Another problem, coking of the valves due to direct injection. Ford had a fix for that. They added sequential port fuel injection to wash the intake valves and prevent coking of them.
The sad part is before direct injection the water pump and fuel injection worked fine, the valves didn’t coke and the water didn’t leak into the oil pan
Everything done in order to force you to have to buy another automobile!
To be fair gdi was to get more hp in the ever demanding heaiver cars and the need to get ok mpg. Dual port/direct injection is really the solution at this point. I belive toyota on alot of there cars runs port injection until you need the extra power. I am not a fan of these new small turbo cars "eco boost" ect as there promise to get better mpg seems empty so what do we even benifit from it other then mote complexity and wear on the engines?
Well my buddy just dropped off a Taurus with 90k miles that needs a water pump. Here we go again!
Spend $1,400 on a poorly designed American car with 90K on it? Nah, I’d send it to the junkyard.
Boat Axe TRADE
Plug the weep hole and keep going or send it to nuteral drop for a worth while send off 🤣🤣🤣
Dan Levesque lmaooo
I'll never buy a Ford with that motor in it without a warrenty!
Ohhh my !! This is just insane !!
I changed my water pump last month on my 1990 GMC 5.7L V8 in about 30 minutes lol 😂 haha 😂
this is why i bought a 89 shortbed chevy n dropped 9k into to restore it to new condition instead of getting a new truck.the 350 is the easiest engine to work on parts are cheap and no plastic parts !
@@themrbrown510 i have a 96 camaro with the old LT1...... 248K on that amazing powerplant...... i also have a 2001 GTP 3800 supercharged..... on hell of an engine
Tom Pickett's Astrophotography Maybe when you grow up you can buy a real truck.
Thanks. Very informative. I changes the water pump on my 04 grand prix a few years back. Pretty easy job.. I was curious why the Taurus was so expensive to fix and why people didn't do it them selfs. This deffently explains it.
Consider yourself lucky if it leaks on the ground. Because typically it goes into crankcase. Then hopefully you have deep pockets.
Yup, bye bye bearings.
I was wondering about that....
It's really fun for Ford mechanics when that happens under warranty... NOT!
yea i have the same year, make, and model and mine leaks on the ground and hasn't gotten in my engine but it still a super expensive repair for me and i still owe 18,000 on the loan smdh...😪😖😔😓
Tallboi 87 That sucks man. Keep a very close eye on your oil.
Coming up next: blinkers and why you have to take apart your whole motor to replace them.
if u change the blinker oil at 10K intervals, they never give trouble!
I had a Buick Lacrosse, and it cost me $200 to change the headlight bulbs because the dealer had to take off the entire front fender to do it. No more Buick for me. No more GM for that matter.
🤗😄🤣😄😄😄🤣LMAO !!!.... I don't doubt you
Funny but this is very true. on my explorer, the blinkers stopped working and the electronics started acting wonky. the battery was also going dead. So I thought it was the battery. I replaced the battery and in about a week the battery was dead again. I took the pos to a shop. Come to find out there's a control box located in the steering column behind the dam airbag that will go bad over time due to the wires always moving when you turn the steering wheel. The box will then start trickling off the battery. Cost to fix this problem was $500 because they have to take the whole steering assembly apart to fix it
LMAO!
Thank you for the effort you did here , our shops in Saudiarabia done it with cost of 200-300 $ only ! And you should bring the pump for sure , and it about 110$ genuine pump
Pete's Garage, you really forgot to mention that when the shaft seal leaks it tends to dump coolant into the oil washing out the bearings. Great engine until it fails.
Yeah that’s definitely another drawback to these things. Luckily the one I had here didn’t milkshake the oil.
That’s why I have a 350 Chevy engine. Like a rock.
But rocks sink lol
I did residential and commercial A/C for 30 years. I can't tell you how many times they shoe horn a piece of equipment into a space and THEN run conduit, pipes and crap in front of the access doors. I have ALWAYS SAID before you get your engineering degree, you MUST WORK ONE YEAR DOING HVAC, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL. the excuse ALWAYS WAS, there's PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE DRAWING. Same goes with cars. Pull the engine to change a headlight bulb. Glad I finally retired. AND have a great Volvo mechanic for my ride.
Guess who won't but a Taurus this guy that was a close one good vid
My work cars have always had the reliable GM 3.8 V6. Amazing engine and extremely easy to work-on at all levels.
Yeah when the water pump goes out on a 3.8 it doesn’t ruin the engine. And you don’t have to dig deep into it to replace it.
Watch out for the timing chains on the dreaded 3.6 high feature GM V6s
@@PetesGarageandperformance Back when they engineered things properly. The new breed of designers are bloody morons.
Yeah, the 3.8l water pump was about 1.5 hour job.
Except for the Dustbuster vans. They are a PITA to work on.
I’m walking out to give my 2003 grand am shitbox a pat on the hood right now. It took me 15 minutes to replace the water pump In that.
Because some genus said lets make this otherwise great engine a POS by introducing a failure point
I love when manufacturers aim their wheep holes towards the alternator. Brilliant. OHC engines are ridiculously expensive to maintain. Give me the old pushrod engines, simple, proven engineering
Ford edge weep hole leaks into oil pan so you never know you had a leak until engine blows
3800 series II N/A and supercharged for the win
Pushrod engines also don't perform as well as OHC engines. There's a reason why EVERYONE went to OHC engines many years ago.
@@tempest411 If they are designed without cutting to the bone they are excellent engines. There are crown vics with 500K miles on a well maintained original motor. And Ford sold a continental around 2000, they had a v8 cobra engine and FWD. Never hear of an an engine issue with those. One ford tech told me years ago he never saw the inside of one.
@@alb12345672 I think what tempest said went right over your head. A OHC engine performs better than pushrod engines power wise. The can be made to run and bring on power smoother, they can handle higher RPMs, they can do a lot more than a pushrod engine can performance wise. HP and torque are not everything its how you put that HP and torque to use that matters and OHC excels in that area.
Thank you for the heads up on this, i currently have 71,000 miles on my Ford Taurus 2014 SEL. I bought it 2 years ago with 41,000.
Screw this... I’m riding a mountain bike🤣 oh darn wait... I’m a mechanic 😒
An example of a motor engineered to screw the consumer and make bucks for Ford Dealers
Richard Dobreny And yet they wonder why they're struggling to sell cars
My father in law (may he rest in peace) used to say.... FORD - Fixed Or Repaired Daily....
I've always cursed Chrysler for using this very same design and am extremely disappointed to see Ford going the same route.🤦♂️
Yep. Scotty Kilmer covered this recently with the pentastar V6.
Yes that dumpster box they called the 2.7 was atrocious... I cringe every time I see a vehicle with them
HA glad to know Ford is making it harder to work on cars than Dodge. Im changing a set of head gaskets out on a 3.6 in the challenger. I had to drop the oil pan to get to (4) FOUR bolts holding the bottom of the timing chain cover on. But I agree, there is a special place in hell for automotive engineers that do shit like this.
Unfortunately most modern cars are difficult like this.
@@PetesGarageandperformance Rich Rebuilds can assemble a tesla with a kitchen knife. EVs are making it so much easier.
No matter what dealer, they dont make much money selling new cars, #1 revenue for dealerships are Repair , Service, selling extended warranties and used car sales, when you go to any dealership for warranty repair , it takes longer, because they would take time to see what the problem is, before changing parts BUT if its not under warranty, they would sell you new parts, there is a LOT of money to be made selling parts.
I never treated a CP job different than a warranty job. Just properly diagnose the problem and sell what it needs. It shouldn’t matter who is paying the bill. Although I have worked with people who would bring out the shotgun way too often.
That's why I drive 1989 GMC pickup truck my friends keep telling me I need to get a new truck and I said why you have a new truck and I'm always giving you a ride to the shop to get it I like to drive my truck I don't like it stored at a dealer shop
Cool truck!!!
1989 Hilux 4x4 diesel ute, I think we must have the same mates! “When ya getting a new ute ya tight ass” 476k from new and I don’t think I’ve ever changed the water pump!
My starter motor has needed the knock start for a couple years now I’ve got the new one just haven’t got around to it!!!
1989 was a good year!!!
They are not your friends then
I traded my 2011 Mazda CX-9 (ford engine) in a week after I noticed a few drops of antifreeze under the car.
Wow, was that enlightening! The question is how often do water pumps fail on this model? It's engineering like this that helps me decide what cars to stay away from when I'm looking to purchase another vehicle. They all have their downfalls but some appear to have had designers who compete in making the most costly repairs like having to drop the engine because the trunk hinges squeak. Thanks for sharing.
I believe this is pretty common over 100k miles.
@@PetesGarageandperformance That definitely removes the Ford from my 'maybe' list. And here I thought the idiocy of using a belt rather than a chain for valve timing was a foolish idea. A timing chain simply means turning the radio up a bit louder. Who reads about the intervals on their car? My aunt doesn't.
Long live the pushrod.
Pushrods feel so good
long live horse and buggy
Long live horses!
added to my list of never buys...thank you youtube machanics
I had to get mine replaced in my 2013 3 months after buying it... around $1,300. I believe it was a common issue with the first few years of this design...
Thank you for sharing your experience and validating my cost estimate. Many people comment about the pump costing $50 but they don’t understand the total cost of the job.
No problem. Labor is definitely the major cost in getting it repaired. Looking at the receipt, It was 3x + some than the parts. Ford didn't make it easy..
$1400? I’d charge at least $2500 to even consider doing that job. What a pos. What the hell is Ford thinking? Water pumps fail. Why the hell use the chains to drive one?? Even Ferrari doesn’t do idiotic things like that.
Agreed. I own a repair shop and if, on the off chance I ever decided to do a job like this it would be a minimum of 2500.00 plus all new timing parts while I'm in there. The people who invent this stuff should be arrested.
@@afterburnerboyz $2500? plus parts? that is why auto tech are considered crooks, its a 6-8 hr job and typical shop rate for a dealer is $150 an hour so thats $1000-$1200 in labor +parts for $1400.
jay webb Nope, $2500 is for labor only. I have no tolerance for horrible engineering and charge accordingly. Actually, I wouldn’t do the job at all, not worth the headache.
i was a chrysler mechanic for 20 years and its no different than doing the nightmare 2.7 v6 sebring / intrepid
The 2.7 engine is not that hard to work on especially if in a rear wheel drive car
@@countryboyrt8054 Even a lot of the front wheel drives are longitudinally mounted.
When I was 18, I had my first car. A 1966 Ford Galaxy 500. I changed the water pump in the driveway in 45 mins. With (1) 1/2-9/16 box wrench. WOW, engineering has come a long way....Aye?
Great video. This gives everyone a heads up before it fails and time to get estimates and saves money. Thanks!
Jeff Brown thanks for watching
DAVID: And the salesman will say; "I'm a salesman not a mechanic, I don't know "!
From personal experience, the salesmen really don’t know anything about cars.
Pete's Garage,
Nor care. They refer to them as "units".
This reminds me of something the government would come up with. I can see why some techs would remove the engine less chance of a come back do to not getting it sealed up properly. Unfortunately the customer is the one that always gets it in the end.
To be honest, it’s probably faster and easier to remove the whole powertrain. But you have to have a lift and an a/c machine to do it.
If I ruled the world, all cars and light trucks would be powered by a small block Chevy or a B series Cummins. Except for Fords, they would have to have a flat head with the option of an Ardun overhead conversion
Na im good i prefer my V8 6.5 turbo diesel
And I like ya'and I want cha'
Misleading title. It's the labor that cost bucks so you say water pump job.
It's part of the cost period. Don't be a jackass
@P. Doherty if you have to pay someone to install it then the total cost is with installation. You're in for a lot of disappointment in life if you haven't figured it out yet.
I've got a ford edge. My water pump was broken and I finally blew a header. I'm gonna try to fix it myself for about 80 bucks. If I succeed, great, if I fail I'm in exactly the same situation.
Dear Ford, please see example above as the main reason I would never own one of your vehicles. And congrats, you have now achieved stupid engineering on a similar scale as Audi.
Cool story.
Nothing worth design issues on General Motors Honda Toyota Nissan and all the rest of the garbage do you want to go Chrysler then you're really screwed because Fiat is made them worse than I've ever been
I'm surprised Scotty Kilmer and South Main Garage aren't ranting and raving about this. This is why I stick with Japanese made cars.....
Or Porsche, LOL pulling a damn engine out to change spark plugs,, porsche is insane
Darr I'm sorry but this isn't about mentally superior, it's about just common sense like why do stupid shit like that other than to fuck your consumer seriously And none of this design is making the vehicle more reliable so there is definitely no excuse because efficiency obviously wasn't the goal here especially the fact that it's having to get replaced so soon
So then the pump isn't 1400. It's the labor. Gotcha! Title suggested a gold plated water pump with diamond inserts
steven lucas If you're not mechanically inclined then it basically is LOL
Should have been
Quoted 2100 and some change at my local Ford dealership. Called a place that I was referred to for a quote and he said it’s way more work than he’s willing to take on
I can’t believe a shop wouldn’t want to tackle that job. It’s big, but pays well.
lol...i'll keep my '74 Duster and my simple 318 w/my 4bbl.
but i can fix it all myself and know the works done right, besides, what man wants to pass a Taurus to his son? and who wants gas mileage? i want fun. and if i tried to pass a Taurus to my daughter, i'd get slapped for that as well.
lol. it's all good,
Wish I still had my '73 slant six. You're a lucky man.
Amen to that i!m an ex-mechanic that got disgusted with the disposable crap that passes as var today that why my newest vehicule and daily driver is a 318 powered 78 monaco 4dr(think Rosco p coltrane) as reliable as a hammer and starts in -40celcius weather without being plugged in while quite a few late models around here wouldnt start even while plugged in!happened all winter
1973 d100 with 318 2bbl/3 speed manual. Also 1976 Dart slant 6/904 auto. I love the old iron. Fuel mileage be damned.
Dam Pete! That looks like a Nightmare to do! Thank you for the video!
Yeah all for a water pump.
5.9 Cummins water pump, 2 bolts & uses an O-ring. King of the simple and easy to work on
Looks like a fun gravy job, but I always liked the heavy stuff.
It'd probably be easier to replace the whole engine; especially of you already dropped the powertrain cradle out.
Pierce Hawke That’s what someone would say if they don’t know what their doing. 😂😂
@@piercehawke8021 why would you replace the motor when the pump replacement is $1500? You can’t buy a used 3.5L for that kinda money let alone have it installed.
Well that’s the same motor in the explorer made that design to save on space since the motor sits in sideways
the mustang with the same motor has a dummy water pump with a shaft going to the outer water pump
and yes that dummy pump does go bad , that’s why I stepped away from ford and into a Toyota Avalon and I’m
A ford guy work for Ford dealers over thirty five years drove a 2000 sable 24 valve for 18 years they just don’t build them like that anymore.
They just don’t build anything like they used to. I feel old saying that. And I’m only 36!
Gosh man, if you're saying this is worse than an old taurus this is absolutely awful bc those older Taurus were awful throw away cars... and they had the styling of a browning banana 😂
Now an Avalon is an awesome vehicle, traded an es300 at 270k still didn't burn oil at all!
A dummy water pump to the outer water pump? Two water pumps? Are you sure about that?
@@kenwilson6850 he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Quicker to the drop the powertrain. I have done a bunch. First one I did was with the engine in the car, Was a nightmare.
Good job sir.
Yeah you can probably have that powertrain dropped in less than an hour. But you need a lift to do it. For someone doing it at home, it’s going to be the hard way!
Precisely the reason I can't stand FORDS!!! Most newer Fords needs exspensive special tools you are only going to use once!!!
28 bucks is expensive?
@@blueovalOdell thats not the point..... the fact that you need to delay your repair for 3 to 5 days while the 28 dollar tool is shipped
the fact that you need the tool in the first place....
You mean all modern cars? Engineers design these so you have to spend a ton of money to replace it. Basically they want you to replace the vehicle. Don’t bash Ford when they consistently been getting better while GM and Chrysler are falling off the deep end
@@djentyman4002 that's funny, and completely untrue. Ford's are JUNK and allways will be!!!
Kennith Chapman because you have a biased opinion and don’t make educated opinions lol if you’re team Chevy you’ll always say bad things about Ford. Sorry that I can’t change your mind
Lol absolutely no need to remove the actuators, just loosen the rear guide with a stubby 8mm wrench. It's enough to remove the one water pump bolt that's behind it and the pump will slide out no prob 👍 **the chain comes out without removing the actuators too, for ease of lining up the timing
Thank you. I actually did this on the last one I did. That one 8mm was a pain to get to but it does save a lot of time.
You do not have to take the cam sprockets off, just loosen the left small chain guide, the pump will squeeze past it, the right clears just fine,
Pretty simple job, yes, calls for 13 hrs, mainly for dismantling top end, and yes, cleaning all the plate cover surfaces of the old silicone takes time. Overall, pretty chill job.
That’s what I have done on the last couple thanks to the tips like yours. Thanks