DISCARD - Mono Black Control | MTG Arena Standard Deck Guide [Kaldheim]
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6:04 Match 1
8:52 Match 2
11:42 Match 3
19:18 Match 4
23:43 Match 5
29:52 Match 6
33:18 Match 7
39:38 Reflections & MVP
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The quality of editing, (inserting pictures of the cards she comments about) sound, video, commentary, attitude, interesting decks... Absurd Heroine has it all. Underrated MTG arena youtuber of all time in my opinion. Keep up the quality work!
Again, I thank you so much for you putting up the cards that you are talking about in the corner!
Totally agree
17:09 you can target the same cultivate that they are targeting so that they don't get to draw a card
Also missed lethal the next turn
Inscription (discard 2) -> lantern -> attack or lantern
I spat out my coffee when she deadpanned that HIYA! like a bored karate sensei at 15:10.
So there was a more efficient play in match 3, for anyone interested: instead of holding back the inscription of ruin when the opponent has two cards in hand, play the inscription to force a counterspell. That way when you tap the lantern they have to get rid of their last card to stay alive, only you have enough mana to untap it. Victory without letting them find something massive, like an Ultimatum or Ugin, for example.
Yeah I was wondering why not cast the inscription first, make them have the counterspell.
Yep watching match3 made me skip a beat. Opponent targetting that lantern over tymaret is extremely questionable as well lol
This deck is insane. Nobody expects Mono B Control. I added two 4 Duress (I forgot what I took out).
I kept controlling Doom, Yorion and even Ultimatum decks.
I am plowing through Diamond right now.
Discard and land destruction are my favourite kind of decks 25 years ago. Hymn to Tourach and rain of tears made me love the colour black. Glad to see discard decks still being effective in casual games.
I won't lie I had a little shock when I realized "25 years" is accurate haha
5:12 I really love Tegrid. I wish she was cheaper even if she had much worse stats. A 2-mana 0/1 or a 3 or even 4-mana 1/3 would be more playable. I think her best shot of shining is in a slow doom foretold deck.
Awesome card, any combo with peer into the abyss is an instant favorite for me, this one especially.
@@leventebacsa7836 I hadn't thought of that combo. Is the idea to make them draw half their deck so they have to discard it at the end of their turn and you get to use the cards?
@@lifeisawesome1391 Exactly, you can “recycle” all his permanents including his lands. The best thing is that it uses your opponents strategy against itself in such a vile way it’s disturbing. You combo and you play their lategame potential against themselves. If they can manage to survive somehow, then you can untap the lantern a few more times with their mana, which is in most cases lethal considering that you just halved their life total. It’s perfection.
@@leventebacsa7836 perfection but try getting them not to scoop when they realize they have to manually select 20+ cards to discard haha
I have been trying to get someone to stick around for the lulz but it never happens
You can exile the card they target in response and they won't draw a card. Learnt that the hard way lol
Yeah, I know she was really just waiting for the chance to take out the Dust itself, but I think it would've been worth it to fizzle it instead and then just remove it on the next turn.
Hymn to Tourach is my favorite black card, and it turned my heart mono black.
Oh, the times.... Turn 1, Dark Ritual - Hypnotic Specter, turn 2 Himn to Tourach, watch them concede xD
@@Belgamor77 Damn, that's right. Dark Ritual is amazing! I just think the "at random" part of hymn makes it extra evil, and that's why it's my favorite!
@@ao_qd Oh, it felt amazing when you casted it and you wiggled your fingers at your enemy, waiting for them to shuffle and take their precious cards
@@ao_qd Love discard, and would love to figure out how to make it competitive again. One of my friends back in HS played an amazing black/white discard deck, dark rituals, hymns, specters, mind twist, demonic tutor, icy manipulators, racks, etc. and then white was only for removal like swords to plowshares, disenchant and balance. We went to a ComicCon tourney, and he won, and his prize was an unlimited black lotus (which was only worth about $300 at the time, haha!) . Still love that deck, it was an epic brawl between us with my goblin grenade deck once guerrilla tactics came out.
@@thelightsoutband Same! Been experimenting with discard but haven't been as successful as mono back aggro. I originally played black discard to combat globin grenades and mono blue control! Haha.
Discard and mill are my jam, so love this. Always a treat to see you’ve posted😄
Tergrid is my favourite god from the set, this looks fun.
having tons of fun with this deck, thank you! Some thoughts:
-- I agree with some commentators below that a couple Duress are worth it. A discard of e.g. Embercleave can practically win a game.
-- Benefits from at least 2-3 Castle Locthwain, as you said.
-- At least 2 Faceless Haven and snow swamps may be a worthwhile addition? It's such a powerful card that it may be worth messing up the mana curve a bit.
-- There's also a couple Strixhaven cards that could be worth adding:
--- Baleful Mastery -- replace/add removal and deals with Planeswalkers, which are everywhere and pretty much game ending, plus exile is a great benefit when so many creatures can come back from graveyards.
--- Go Blank -- I could see this replacing Inscription of Ruin in this deck, as I never find myself using/needing Inscription of Ruin's 2nd ability, nor rarely as removal. Go Blank handles the two things this decks seems to want to do most: make the opponent discard cards and shut down opponent graveyard shenanigans.
--- Sedgemoor Witch - Nighthawk Scavenger suffers from some conflicts of interest in this deck. He wants a big opponent graveyard, but that's an incredibly dangerous thing in the current meta, and Tymaret is emptying the graveyard anyway. I wonder if Sedgemoor Witch might replace Nighthawk here, to just make things messy / complicate the battlefield for a couple turns - draw removal and chump block - while this deck builds its real mechanics and win-cons. Pests will also help Rankle (when both players sac creatures).
Please post again if you experiment with this build more! So much potential here and there's so much room to experiment. Thank you!
Oh boy that deck should be named RAGE QUIT. Talk about a control deck, well played!
There is nothing better than countering someone with their own counter. I mean, they know you have it but they really can't do anything about it.
The only thing missing for you to break a barrier of engagement is: Turning up the volume of the music just a little bit, just to fill in the blanks. And play more rare cards and push the power level to 11. I've been theorizing since almost a year and a half observing the CGB's growth vs yours vs MONO vs Ali vs Qwaazar77, and content creators that seem to either; embrace high power lvl jank with unpopular cards or play high-end competitive magic in mythic, have a steady growth rate at about 15k ->20K->34/40k->63/80->100K, I also took into account collaborations and such (obviously youtube is never easy so one has to resort to that kind of thing yada yada). But anyway, my grain of sand. I like the deck, I went against a yorion deck and it cried a lot before roping me.
Great deck, loved it. I wanted to splash a bit of red, so I added Kroxa which works well with the inscription kicked (3 discards), and since we're not doing anything with our graveyard, it's worth it. I took away 2 Poison the Cup and added 2 Soul Shatter (which works well with Tergrid). Also, I used snow covered swamps and included Faceless haven and a couple of Castle Lochtwain. I've always loved discard, since Hypnotic Specter and Himn to Tourach
The Dragon played with your expectations and got you good.
I won't lie, I was rooting for the expectations to be upset haha. Would be too easy if you could just guess the deck :)
I still think all the avatars should appear as cloaked figures until their third turn, so people could pick deck-appropriate avatars and not give away too much too soon.
Commentary is great, no worries
mannnn I had a Megrim deck back in the time ! good memories,... discard decks are such an evil decks, poor enemyes.
And I love when you put those detailed cards when you talk about them, these details meke such a diference ! congrats
This deck is so evil! I am so glad you posted a video because I couldn’t bring myself to play this but enjoyed see you use it.
Thank you, I'm a big fan of mono black, and never played covetous urge. I will.
I recommend playing the new elixir artifact. Awesome card, +2 life and free card. I usually use 2 of them.
I run a similar deck with Solemn Simulacrum, Soul Shatter and Blood on the snow. Even though the mana curve is a bit more expensive, I get good interaction with Tergrid and some sacrifice, and blood on the snow to trigger solemn simulacrum multiple times and keeping the board clean! Ideally I can foretell blood on the snow with dream devourer to play it earlier, especially against aggro decks.
Anyways, good job with the deck! Cheers!
I like how you think out loud.
Very nice one👌🏻 Discard is definitely fun to play ^^
I d suggest Liliana Planswalker for this deck @Absurd Heroine , Discard has also a favorite place in my decks. Very nice vid!
Oh man, in match 5 I was really hoping to see Rankle force draw, lantern to discard, and then Tergrid to steal. Basically Rankle getting you 2 cards for 1 life!
Very strong play! Awesome content.
I've been messing around with a very similar deck, except I splash pathways for 4x kroxa and 4x doom foretold. I'm also running the 1/1 discard elf instead of Timmy
Your commentary is always wonderful
Super evil and super fun. Awesome intro and those wins looked fun.
Wow this actually makes Tergrid look playable in the ladder and not just a commander card. I'll definitely give it a go!
Peer into the Abyss is another good card to pair with Tergrid.
Nice deck! Will try it with the heartless acts!!
Very nice performance against Sultai Ult in game three! New sub and I'm looking forward to checking out your other vids
Soul Shatter is great with Tergrid - slightly worse removal than what you currently have but more on-brand fr the deck!
Long ago, in a store far, far away... turn 1: swamp, dark ritual, Hypnotic Specter... turn 2: swamp, Hymn... turn 3: swamp, another Hyppie... if you're on the receiving end, it's not a good way to start. Of course I got really evil and added blue for counterspells and time elementals.
I was just coming to post this very reply.
Turn 1, swamp, dark ritual, dark ritual, hymn, hypnotic specter.
That is a glorious turn 1.
Where are the 'vices' and 'racks' in todays standard to make discard (or draw) dominant?
Nice list. Keep up the good work!
You should do more content. I really enjoy the break from all the dude
Arena videos.
I will try my best!
My superstition is never mulligan. If you're heavy in one thing you're due the other. Most times, making them discard first is always best play. Also, this is a wonderful deck. But you have to be patient. I just won a game with one life and another with 6. Thanks for the build.
It is good to add Castle Lochwain and/or Bonders Enclave for a card draw.
Oh for sure, Castle should be in here. I'm not as confident considering Bonder's Enclave when Covetous Urge is in the deck though.
@@AbsurdHeroine Yeah, casting it on curve will be a mess.
Killing it as always 💪💣
Game 4 sparked a lot of joy
Feel like Liliana waker of the dead would work in this.
I tried her in a similar mono-black deck but its not so great. Davriel from last war of spark is much much better. Because you have to discard a card too and removal is based on your graveyard its not as good. However, its what makes Lilianna a beast in a golgari or self-mill escape deck
I'm thinking the same. I've always wanted to get her cranked up in a deck.
@@demonicell as always her ult is game winning and easy to pull off. Best in a creature heavy deck so you can dump your hand and have blockers
i agree, discard isnt fun to play against most of the time, Im glad you played it on ladder and not in normal.
Nice deck, love it
Damn, I love the covetous urge!
Maybe missing castle locthwain
That was my first thought as well. It could use at least 2 of them. Black got the best castle in that cycle.
When I first got into Magic, my first deck I ever bought was the Stronghold Migraine theme deck, so I'll always have a soft spot for discard. I just wish they re-printed Megrim or Liliana's Caress!
I confess I have built a mono-black Rogue Discard deck - I'm sorry. Why Covetous Urge isn't often used in those decks, or Mill in general, truly baffles me. Its won me so many games I would have lost otherwise. Sure it's a little slow but the ability to use their best cards or situational cards against them is often game changing, especially in mirror matches.
Also it's OK to be evil in casual cube - the amount of broken, degenerate higher tier decks I play against on a regular basis has left my soul cold. I'm still drumming for that permanent Pauper/Artisan queue but it'll likely never happen 🤷♂️
Nothing better than watching this destroy mono white beginner card lifegain. Delicious.
Tergrid brawl is so good, it's toxic.
Mind sharing your deck list? I built one, but it is struggling to survive and Tergrid is easy to remove before she does anything and becomes expensive real fast.
@@bluehome8193 Yeah. I'll post in on here when I get a chance.
I really don't like discard but I very much enjoyed watching Sultai Ultimatum mercilessly dissected
In my opinion 24 lands is a bit much, so I would probably take out 4 lands and put 2 Liliana, waker of the dead then 1 peer into abyss and a duress
I find that Hagra mauling and creature lands really help in situations where you use all of your discard spells and is a handy mana sink if you need something to do. Also, Elspeth's nightmare is a really nice tech option for low-to-the-ground decks like Gruul and Rakdos Escape to cut down on graveyard shenanigans.
I enjoy how you refer to opponent as “friend” when you work evil upon them... ah, good times
Thanks! It's really hard to get dicard to work!
Duress would be really good In this too. Love this deck
INTERESTING
Lovely Deck.
you are number one :)
Straight Mono black discard might be too slow. I think the same set up would work with splash red and swap all Tymaret for Valki, run play set of Fabled Passage, and take out the extinction events for two Double Visions, and make it snow ❄️ for Blood 🩸 on the Snow ⛄️ make an angry scavenger come back.
Discard isn't viable according to the theory of value. However it can sometimes prove very efficient when opponent discards a high value card.
Right now it has gotten stronger with the M21 cmc4 Lili who can pretty much close the deal and run away with the game (if she doesn't trip cuz, you know, running with a dress ain't easy) and the brand new Tergrid that you can play especially if you have some self esteem and don't quite want to indulge in tapping islands for Zareth San.
Discard ain't exactly the worst thing to play against. IMO just slightly worse than counterspells. And both are still way way behind mill, the supreme heresy for degenerates who need hugs.
That's a fun lil deck you have here Lady Whiskey. Ah the joys of monoblack...
Discard it tough, it had a chance when Davriel was around.
Tergrid's alt art is awesome btw
Hm, I think I prefer the original. The masked one somehow reminds me of a Mortal Kombat character and looks like she's facing the nightmare herself, whereas the other is more spooky with shadowy shapes looming in her wake. Both cool though!
I ran into a white/black discard deck in the play que yesterday.
I'm not the biggest fan of Discard, but I guess I'll take that over Mill any time of the day
Ngl I made this deck and am absolutely having fun with it. lol
Did you miss lethal there on match 3? or is it just me? very nice deck construction, I love discard decks.
Shout out for Hymn to Tourach
it was absolutely cathartic watching this deck demolish some of the most annoying decks in the meta.
Loved the deck! Did you ever consider Liliana?
Cool
Nice! Similar deck to my take on Tergrid, but I went with dual strike instead of covetous urge. But why no castle?
Not a fan of discard but even less of a fan of rogues and it must have felt great to counterspell a rogue deck with their own counterspell for the win. How has drown in the loch not been banned in standard?
I love the deck! Will have to use soon. I love discard decks as well. My only question is, why run 24 swamps?
Yeah I should've totally thrown in Castles
@@AbsurdHeroine no disrespect On the deck, its a master piece! I was just wondering because I'm kinda new to mtg arena and I was just curious upon it. Keep up the great work!
Well played aside from mono Red aggro.
Why no Castle Locthwain?
Early gang wya!
Reporting for duty!
24 swamps and no castles?
Turn 4 lili into turn 5 tergrid
Very nice deck, ugly, but nice. Thanks for next movie.
No castle and other ulility lands hmmmmmm
I love Pauper, and i am soooo happy Hymn is banned there.
First!
The "I hope I draw lands" part of MTG is the worst part of MTG
I hate all kinds of "mill cards decks"
They are powerful against almost anything and games are usually just annoying
people are running rogue decks all day long on casual queues lol
That's true, but we have values here. Someone's gotta hold the line.
You should try Bunnie_babe's mono black
standard discard deck. It's super mean ^_^ she's the discard queen ^_^
If you miss recording your commentary again send me the file and I can do a lip-reading voiceover for you. Everyone loves my grating voice and dyslexic mutterings!
Why do you have such a bad ranking? U are not that bad!
Because she is a lady of jank. She is in the Ranked queue here because a lot of people have strong feelings about discard effects, but she uses the Play queue most of the time.
The "I hope I draw lands" part of MTG is the worst part of MTG
Agreed.