TerranScapes - Water Effects revisited - Acrylic Silicone Caulking Vallejo Woodland Scenics
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- I discuss some investigations into using acrylic and silicone caulking for water effects for terrain. I describe a variety of simple experiments I did and revisit a previous investigation that led me to use mod podge up until now. Comparisons of glossiness, hardness, and easy of application are covered.
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Hope you start making videos again, this just helped me tremendously on my model railroad layout trying to figure out a cost effective way to do a large river. Rock on! Thanks!
Some people not into this will die of boredom watching this. But not me! I just love how methodical you are on your quest for the effect you want. Fascinating to watch and it sure does speed up other people's "quests" since you have done the dirty work for them. Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing!
+Richard Jongepier I'm really glad you liked it. :)
Another thank you!!!
You're doing the Lord's work here. Saving countless hours and dollars for those who don't have to repeat your experiments. Thanks SO much!
I'm glad you find it so helpful. Helps me stay motivated!
Maybe a little rambling, but totally necessary in my opinion. Watching this was like reading a science journal paper with your every thought and process detailed along the way. It opens the research up to more productive experimentation since any watchers won't follow the same pitfalls. Really useful. Thank you for sharing
This video was very, very helpful and saved me time and money! Thank you so much for putting in the work to test these products and make this review.
Good job. Very thorough and thoughtful to see which will work, and which won't. Appreciate it all, and hope to catch more. Thanks!
Fantastic! Very informative and thorough. Thanks!
Thank you so much. This is exactly what I was looking for.🙌👍
A been looking for a video like this for a very long time. Thank you
I am an artist, and I have use liquid text Jill medium many times. Sometimes it’s good to lay down your gel and make the pattern you want let it dry and under colour it. That is you paint the bottom side of the gel before you apply it to the base. Then you make another one almost the same kind of making the same patterns but it’s not going to be identical and then attach that to the top of the bottom layer. The second layer can be touched up just sporadically with paint underside before it is laid down and the effects can be quite beautiful because it shows a depth.
I hope this kind of makes sense to you. Lol thank you so much for a very very interesting video
Love your videos! You’re very thorough and I love learning all this stuff cuz I’m a noob to terrain building. Although I will say, if I made a drinking game and had a shot every time you said “moj podge” instead of MOD podge I’d be dead from alcohol poisoning lol
nice vid and great work on the comparison and tests of all the different products for water effects, thx ;)
Very useful video, thanks a lot.
One funny thing though: I have used the Vallejo water effects too and it dried perfectly crystal clear in about a day.
Very helpful and informative. Thank you for sharing this info.
I'm glad you found it helpful. :)
Those videos are so interesting, thank you very much.
Raffaele Passarelli Thank you for that comment. I appreciate it a lot.
Always the consummate Professional! Love how your mind works Bro. I personally steer clear (pun intended) of water effects and go for a gloss coat over my paint job as I've had horrible luck in the past. You do BEAUTIFUL work Buddy!:)
Thanks. :) There are so many ways to do water, I think if you can find a way that works, that is the best way to do it. *grin*
Great research and information! Thanks.👍😎
That's it, I'm buying some liquitex gloss medium gel tomorrow! Thanks :D
GREAT overture of water effects, absolutely wonderful. I think i missed your last video? But I like your process here, very methodical, very scientific approach. I have always been impressed by Liquitex (on the painting side), and am not surprised you like their products. When you find the time, and have selected your optimum product, I'd like to see your technique on rolling wave creation in action! As for me... on to your next video!
wonderful video thank you so much
+admins rose robertson My pleasure. :)
Clear fix. water it down with isopropanol you can make waves and peaks with it and you can gloss over it with Modge podge gloss, and you can add inks to it with no problems. The only problem I have with it is finding it.
I read, but haven't tried, Puttting denatured alcohol in a plant mister type spray bottle. Use a caulking gun to apply a bead of 100% silicone caulk to the joint. Apply a fine mist of denatured alcohol to the caulking bead using the spray bottle. Use your finger to smooth the bead of caulking with your finger before the alcohol evaporates.
Howdy! I got her from a bit of non-directional linking... BUT, after getting here I have 'subscribed'. I am currently not doing anything remotely project related... BUT, I have watched videos in the past on making water effects....
So... I have to say (yes have) THANK YOU for ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the time it took to do this and put it together. Even though you have your own personal needs for doing all this testing and such... you in no way 'had' to share with the world.
You in no way were rambling... all that you said in the video was your actual thought process from step to step. All that information was important. You could have just posted a video stating 'use this and do this'... BUT, that would have not been anywhere as fully helpful/informative as this was!
I am someone that would probably do what you did of trying to use this, use that, what if this, what if that... so you may have saved hours/days/weeks for a great many people like me. You are answering questions before people even have them.
I very much look forward to what else you have to share.
Thanks Again! :-)
0MrENigma0 I'm so glad you found the video so hlepful. :)
And a belated 'Welcome to the crazy terrain train."
vert interesting video, what would you recommend for cheap/clear/still water for a diorama that wont be played on?
Thank you for doing all that testing and sharing your results . This is very helpful and useful to all modelers . Have you tried EnviroTex as a gloss coat over the silicon ? Also I would try to find a Hi Gloss that you can coat over the silicon . I know more testing but I hope you find the look you are looking for .
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For the purpose of friendly chemicals. Liquitex Gel should hold up well. Keep in mind it is still a ACRYLIC resin. Customer should be able to do some self maintenance. Any scratches and marks can be touched up with another gloss medium application. Heck even Pledge Future Shine should provide a good touch up.
Skip the Gel Medium for top coat of the cauking. Gel medium is a additive to add body to capture brush strokes. Use Gloss Medium & Varnish, 23 USD for large bottle in its place. Is a fluid medium and will add the gloss look needed for the cauking. It can be used as final coat but is not a true varnish.
Very informative sir.
I'm glad you found it helpful. :) It feels like ages since I have shot this. Today I started playing with a new epoxy resin for the ocean boards and it's crazy expensive, but awesome as well. I'll chat about it in the next ocean video most likely.
Thanks for this. Quick question: is there any issue with handling the dap, or other silicone caulking, after it cures? I couldn't find anything on their website and thought you might know.
What kind of ink did you use to tint the silicone caulk?
alright ill give it a try... Thanks a bunch for responding. Would love to just pay you to make me some swamp terrain but you're out of my price range.. Your work is amazing tho definitely worth the price!!!
Terranscapes thought id just throw this out there and sorry if already aware of it but Liquid Nails Clear Seal all purpose sealant is clearer than silicone, will not yellow, stays crystal clear, and its paintable. Im about to compare it with 2 other products I picked up in a 3 way test. Thanks for the vid take care...
could you coat the silicon with a high gloss coat to give it the reflecting effect that you want?
I am trying to do Swamp bases for my Hordes Gatormen army... and Terrain for a swamp board... what would you recommend for still swampy water? should i paint the base of the swamp brown or add brown ink to the water effects? I desperately need help.
It's funny you mentioned the plastic spoon method. That video was actually the first video that i'd seen that actually had a method of building an actual sea that seemed easy. I've had some ok results with that for my warship dios.
Nice to hear about your success. There are so many ways to do water... It's been very hard for me to settle down on the 'best' method. :)
Indeed. But it's good to see people out there doing the legwork with experimentation and showing their work. :) Keep the vids coming!
Have you tried to put a coat of gloss varnish over the duller water effects?
The ones that don't dry clear could be used to simulate the white water of rapids or breakers
try poly urethane gloss spray on your dried water's,,, you get the shine\, hardness on the surface, and no remoisturizing of the water based gels... works great for me.. anyhow
very interesting, but in conclusion (hehe), would you use mod podge for water effects? :D I am trying to make water that is not super expensive
What about tinting it with food color, would that work?
would using my own fingers, but wearing a plastic glove, be a good way to mold the woodlands scenic water effects?
Polyester Resin works very well for water effects, but it is VERY TOXIC and can melt your finger nail if you touch it in its bare form just be careful when using it and you should come out with pleasing results. :)
Sounds a bit caustic. :)
I've worked in the composites industry for decades and never have had my finger nails melted... in the old days we didn't even wear gloves....
The guy who used silicone for water effects in Japan was that, qdc748???!!! He does excellent water effects...
No, it wasn't him. But it looks like he does cool modeling.
I use the medium as an additive to my paint not as top coat. Still produces a gloss finish. Since I don't prime my models when painting. A purposed scrape can take the paint off. That can be said for any product. Other than the metal models, they have been holding up well all thrown loose into a single box for transportation.
Make sure you are purchasing the bottle with GREEN lable and not the red lable. Red is bad in the principles of your puild. Can be purchased at Michaels.
Hey man, awesome video, very informative. I have a quick question; I'm building a cloth board game and need to find out which of these products you use is the most flexible? I need the map to be able to roll up, so I need it to be kinda rubbery... I'm heard the Liquitex one dries flexible...
Also, you look like a badass 80's action movie badguy. Which is awesome.
Mr. T Thanks on the badguy comment. Especially from 'Mr. T'. *grin*
On the flexible question, I would recommend going with a caulking. A thin layer will be quite flexible and they have good adhesion. Right now I would recommend Liquid Nails Klear Seal. I didn't have it at the time of this recommendation, and it's the only caulking for water I will use going forward. I was worried they might discontinue it so I bought 20 tubes. ;)
Haha, 20 bottles. I live in the UK and doubt I can buy the exact brand here. I bought liquitex the other day and have used it with pretty slick looking results on a couple of test peices but I'm worried about using it on large ocean areas. Saying that, the test peices I've made have really thick coats of liquitex with pretty sweet flxibility. Decisions decisions....
Hello dude, great vid! Can I ask quick bit of advice? have 3cm thick polystyrene sheets, random black/white spotted effect, looks a little marble like! So I would like to cover a 6 by 4 gaming board and scenery in a clean gloss material! needs to be flat enough for miniatures to stand up straight on, strong/flexable enought to strengthen up the 3cm think (fairly week ploy board) and not cost the world! what substance and/or brand could you suggest!? You appear to be the expert on this matter now! thank you for any advice!
+timothy banks Hmm.. I think the simplest method would be use extruded polystyrene foam sheets (a.k.a pink foam). It's fairly rigid and if you buff the surface lightly, takes glue very well. The only concern would be warping. If it's not bonded to the table, I might go with something a little more firm, like plywood with a skeleton of thin runners underneath to keep it from flexing, or to flatten the 'factory shape'. :)
Hope that helps a little. Ask for a touch of clarification if needed.
I need something I can put over a diorama I made that is clear so you can see the bottom,the pebbles and folage. I cant afford the woodland product so looking for an alternative, any ideas or should I just wait to buy that EZ -water from Woodland.
There are lots of water options. You might find the monthly columns I wrote about water effect products helpful. You can find them on my Patreon page: www.patreon.com/TerranScapes In the post section you will see tags on the left side. The monthly column tag will take you to all of them. The water columns were written a while ago so scroll down to early last year I think. If they don't answer your questions, let me know and I will try to help out. :)
I think you can tint with gel food color also instead of expensive ink,
You could use food color, but the pigment count is really quite low compared with an ink. You risk adding a lot of water to mix with food coloring to get the amount of tinting you want. Inks are probably 1000% as dense with pigments as food coloring.
You have way too much time on your hands friend.
How bendable are these effects? I'm trying to make a roll able sea battle mat?
00daveyr On the flexible question, I would recommend going with a caulking. A thin layer will be quite flexible and they have good adhesion. Right now I would recommend Liquid Nails Klear Seal. I didn't have it at the time of this recommendation, and it's the only caulking for water I will use going forward. I was worried they might discontinue it so I bought 20 tubes. ;)
I am no where as good as you on the modeling. But I do know a bit about auto body work. Have you considered maybe doing a clear coat finish on top of the water effect to give it a more gloss effect? I am not sure what that would do with the mixtures you have made up, so I just thought I would toss that out to see what you think.
Interesting idea. I am working with some new techniques right now that will be shown in a video soon. ;) I now coat the entire surface with enviortex so the gloss is pretty solid now. Still, I'm always open to new ideas, so once you see the new work, feel free to comment. I love feedback. :)
Were did u find the phenoseal sorry if I didn't spell it correctly
Chela Robles I think it was from Home Depot.
Hi. Nice video.
Please can you name the second one again. I was hoping to use some translucent substance to make flames. I was hoping to use your waterfall tutorial for help.
I'm not sure which one you are referring to, but if you start back at around the 4min mark you can see the names of them. If you can refer to a specific time in the video, I could probably help you more. ;)
Resin?
Hey, Silicone and invisible nail polish (for the glossy part) cant make the deal?
Nice vid' dude, I'm starting Warhammer 40k so i dint tested anything yet
I don't know if the nail polish will bond with the silicone, but seeing as it's acetone based it just might work. Interesting idea. :)
Craquelure texture???
Sorry, rattle can suggestion was intended for the for added chemical & cauking technique. Giving you the most durable product. If they are gamers like my group. Terrain gets beaten on hard. Many hobbiest spray rattle cans into another container then brush on from there.
The silicone look like it would work well for maybe glacial ice.
Perhaps. Just remember you can't paint pure silicone. You may be able to tint it however, but I haven't tried it.
70 percent of my paint collection is Liquitex. It's properties is not a hard surface paint. Meaning Liquitex is design to bend and flex with the substrate painted to. Recomend not to use this paint as a playable surface for the water effect. Should consider the use of a gloss rattle can as top coat to avoide maring. Any overspray can then be painted over and texturized.
hello
I would like to send you the photos, so you understand my problem, I
created two dioramas, beautiful, both the Caribbean seas, the first one
has a view from above, where there are boats and I spent at the end of a
layer transparent
water, but the effect is always opaque, the bottom can be seen but not
as before, beautiful clear, transparent resin, we say that here is not
an issue I spent the transparent painting, everything is fine, because
in reality what That I'm interested in and do see the boats, okay ?? I
still have to complete the second, in the sense that the resin is now
totally dry, but I still have to complete the first, so before I create
some problem, I wanted advice from you, then in the second diorama, you
see beautiful fish, I would stay Absolute
transparency, but give the feeling of water, now is a flat table, so it
is beautiful, but has no emotion, how can I create a beautiful
transparent water effect, not opaque, to admire all the fish ?? I thought about silicon, but stick to the resin ?? Considering that I used the silicone to create this diorama ?? how can I do?? Hi, I hope to
have been clear, I would like to send you some photos to get you to
understand my problem, even better, because it's better than words, can I
send you photos by email? So you see them ?? Hello
why don't you just coat the final water with triple thick gloss (spray or brush on) super clear no streak marks. I do food props jfyi
That's not a bad option. I do water differently now, but I think it's a good idea to explore. :)
I think you could have used the matte products and layer a gloss varnish on afterwards to get the shiny effect.
I know this video has been up here for a while but I thought I would share a product I use for water effects like ripples and waves. Crafter's Pick Glue. I apply it over a base of Woodland Scenics Realistic Water with either a brush or popsicle stick. It can be built up in layers or applied to heated and twisted clear styrene for larger water forms (depending on the scale). Here is a link to the product www.amazon.com/API-60134-Ultimate-Glue-4-Ounce/dp/B000YQJNIK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1440958199&sr=8-2&keywords=crafter%27s+pick+ultimate+glue
And here is a link to the product in action www.antrodemus.net/cha4.html.
+Michael Wallace Well, well. That's a two-fer. I haven't heard of that glue before, and I stuck it in my wish list for possible later use. I checked out the link to Mike Wallace's work. I love it! I'm a big Kaiju fan, and his work with dioramas is excellent. Added him to my artist folder. Thanks for the links. :)
do you think mixing silicone's safe? O.o
i wonder what the affects would be :)
20FallenAngel10
I'm not sure I exactly understand. What would you be mixing the silicone with? I can't think of anything that would be unsafe however. If concerned, you can always wear some disposable gloves. :)
mixing it with one of the products in your video. if it's safe and i wonder how it would turn out
20FallenAngel10
I don't see any safety probs. Go for it.
I agree with the other reviews. Can you hear that you do a great job too much? Very informative and entertaining.
Have you heard of a product called Magic Water? Is it the same as other products?
I can't hear it too much. I get a little overwhelmed sometimes and hearing positive feedback really helps me stay motivated. It always means a lot to me. :)
I do know about Magic Water. I haven't used it before, but I think it is more similar to Envirotex lite. It's a bit thinner however so it flows more easily and likely degasses more easily as well. I forgot about it and I need to go and add it to my article on Patreon about water effects. :) Thanks for reminding me.
Thank you for the response. Have you any ideas on making 19th century A frame tents.
Virgil Adams
A reasonably simple and effect way might be to make a simple frame from bamboo skewers or similar - 1/8 dowel for instance - and the use some plaster cloth. Woodland Scenics sells some, but you can find lower cost options online. You cut the cloth to the size you want, dip it in water and lay it over your frame. You can then fold or roll it back at the entrance. When it dries, it will be very sturdy and will take paint well.
The texture of the plaster cloth might be a little to large for the scale, but if you go over it with a little lightweight spackle after it dries, you can smooth it out to your hearts content, of even apply two layers and smooth out the plaster while it is wet.
Hope that helps a little. :)
Would have been cool to hear cure time.
It really depends on a lot of factors - temp, humidity and thickness of the layer.
Do you ever consider playing video games to get some inspiration for terrain? not bashing on your work or anything just a question
And by issue I mean health/safety issue.
Got another one for your wish list: MBZ water. Ever try that....heard it's pretty good. You can get it at Reynaulds #R70101. If you try it, please film your work. Thanks again.
+Niner6 I'm not familiar with that material?
+Terranscapes Maybe the folks at Reynaulds can comment more on it. Have not tried it yet.
Good video. Maybe you like my channel.
Lamé
Your videos are fantastic, really helpful.
Thank you!