TerranScapes - Ocean Board Terrain - Experiments and New Additions
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2013
- Inspired by a Japanese TV show, I explore some new materials for modeling water effects on terrain. I also show a recent set of ocean boards completed with previous techniques but some additional effects added.
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I got in late last night and couldn't sleep and it is now almost 5 am and "I like that word, I hope I made it up." made it all worth it.
Wow, absolutely lovely boards.
Accidentally found this channel just browsing through, this looks so fun! I'll have to check out the channel to look for any updates to this project but I love the look of this!
WOW!!! just wow..i grew up on the west coast of scotland and i have to say you nailed it..looking into the dark deeper areas just looks cold and as for the white horses unless its a strong swell or storm they act pretty much as you have them..very glad i subscribed.
Love the board and the foam effects.
I love the fact that you admit failures occur. That is the learning process for most of this hobby and those like it....thanx for the vid..It does look very nice!
I think you have to look at the mistakes more closely than most people will admit. They are the best teachers for improvement. :)
the things you do wrong is the most valuable information to the viewers. Feel free to ramble as well because those are the little details I love to know before starting a project.Thanks for these vids man
thanks for sharing your experiences, great work, awesome looking ocean boards :)
This looks awesome! I am planning out the basing for my Trident Realms army for Kings of War, and want to do a ocean/water effect, so seeing your in-depth discussion and amazing visuals is a big help. Need to watch the rest of your water videos now so that I can try to pick up some of the basics when doing water effects.
Hi Jake! I'm really glad to hear you found it so helpful. :)
Thanks for the help! Keep up the great videos!
Whow! Amazeballs! Here's a thought! Carve out a section in the middle of the board of a "deep water" part. Add stones, coral, plants, sunken ship/statue, shark or what not. Fill it over with liquitex! Show us the result!
The owner of this board posted a vid of his battle board. WOW! Your water and waves looks even better with ships and docks dressing it up. As always. I'm impressed with your work.
+Hoehner Tim Thanks. It was nice to see them put together with his ships. Very satisfying. :)
Looks great!
Thanks. :)
Great show Plamo Tsukurou, I actually found some of these japanese modelling masters on facebook and their work are aaaaaawesome
Great video. Very nice work. Thank you for all the tips. I looked and found ''Diorama'' in a 1960 dictionnary and it is a word dating back to XIX century.
Papaben Oh wow. That goes back a long way.
Wow - that turned out really well. The waves may be *wrong* but I wouldn't have known if you hadn't said so. The seaweed is a really nice touch.
Thanks. :)
Really enjoy your videos... Some model railroad scenery specialists use similar water techniques. One thing a few of them do is apply an acrylic high gloss furniture varnish as a final coat(s) to create a hard, high gloss and more durable surface to the water.
Thanks for doing your videos... Learned lots!
I'm actually working on a more durable surface than the one you describe. But it's a good general recommendation.
The whole set looks sexy as all get out of town. Also that river flow might be something to pay attention to as well. Swirls and stuff I'd imagine.
Wow, this is really cool, maybe something I just might have to try, but in my own way. You have inspired me 😀
Welcome aboard the crazy train. ;
keep up the good work brotha
All your stuff is so amazing! I can only hope my terrain will look half as good :)
Jennifer Gwinn Thanks. But it didn't start out like this for me. I'd tell you to go back and look at some really old videos, but there are quite a few that are abysmal. ;) It's really about practice, like so many skills. Keep at it and you will see improvements regularly.
***** I can't believe I haven't run into your videos before just yesterday. I looked back at your oldest videos and you've been doing this for 7 years! WOW! Are you like the first on youtube to regularly post videos on wargaming terrain? By the way, I looked back at your stuff 7 years ago, and it was pretty amazing back then even! ;)
Jennifer Gwinn I don't think I was first, but it has been a long time. :) I'm really glad you like the videos.
I pour my tinted hard resin water effects first, and then layer crystal clear silicone over the top, works well. Instead of brushing the silicone on, spread it out using your finger in a circular motion, starting at one end and moving to the other, using tighter circles where the water is more shallow. I tend to get good results that way, no streaking. Wave crests though? That is trickier, the silicone tends to self-level before it manages to set. Might try the paint method..
Looking forward to it! =)
I'm not familiar with the show you reference but many years ago I learned a little about the Japanese art of Bonkei. If you aren't familiar with it, it uses peat moss or paper mache to make miniature landscapes and the water is created with sand and smoothed with water that is then siphoned off. Great videos BTW.
Woah, you're really good at it. In the future, you may want to experiment with shorelines. Sandy shores usually have a strip of darker wet sand where the waves crash on land. A pebble beach, or waves crashing on cliffs may also prove worthwhile to try out on small scale to see what product is best to achieve which water effect, as I suspect you sometimes could want to work with different materials to see how to combine different effects on the same water game board.
fantastic regards from argentina!!
Daniel Fulco THanks. :)
I am a general contractor and heres a little you could try. When you wan to get the best slick pull on silicon, wet the spoon or tool you are using and try it. the water on the tool helps glide across the silicon without sticking.
Good tip. Thanks. :)
Kaywood Parsons hi there, do you ever smooth large silicon areas? if so what tool would you use? any suggestions. thanks
Best terrain maker eva
Something interesting I saw Miniature Terrain: Water & Waves for Mirky water, pouring the resin, then when its early in the curing process, get a toothpick/pointy object with some paint on the tip and spread the paint around the resin
It's a great technique. I love the Terrain Wench. :)
She is pretty awesome :P Similar technique with the waves?
Jon Lowe
For waves, I tend to mix in the color separately and apply it like that.
That looks amazing. Yeah the waves are a bit off. But really not an issue compared to the overall look. Keep up the great work.
i noted that in the winter months cold caulking is harder to spread/use so i'm thinking that warming it to say baby bottle temp to say washing up water temp. i agree any hotter may start the caulking to set, i have a water project on the cards next month and will do some experiments
just a suggestion as a builder i work with silicon a bit and spraying soapy water on to the silicone from a spray bottle is your best bet to smoothing out the silicone just remember to keep you hands wet with the soapy water as well
Great tip. Thanks. :)
If you type in Plamo Tsukurou episode 10 part 1 to the youtube search it will come up as the first two videos uploaded by jiscuit. It looks like he actually makes the peakes of his waves with air drying clay before he puts on the Liquitex to add the gloss to the water. Not sure what the other medium is that he uses.
try warming silicone before use in a bay-marie (some experimentation for temp), warming viscos liquids sometimes helps them flow better and may give a little more working time, may also help when making moulds.
you could make a silicone ocean mat that you could role out on a gaming board if it comes off that clean just back it with a fine cloth glueing it together with an epoxy
thuggie1 Interesting idea. I suppose that might be possible.
***** i don't think i have ever seen anyone do it but must be possible
thuggie1 It occurs to me that I should have thought about it a minute longer. No one does it in silicone because you can't paint it. This is why they use latex or a urethane rubber. Latex is the choice since it is low cost and doesn't easily hold a memory of being rolled up. You can paint silicone technically, but you need special silicone paints which are quite expensive.
Really like the ocean, waves are a little bit off as you mentioned but i noticed someting very peculiar.......... I don't think you've ever praised your work this much :)
Like the boards. Would not worry about the curve in the waves (if you where insistent maybe you could put extenders on the end of the waves) But I like them as they are.
It seems another quality the (maybe) glass powder gives to the silicone is a more froth-like appearance.
I can't even imagine the price tag of the materials used to make all the water effects.
nice work
As for Edges matching. I would prolly try to tie all boards together (or at least two nearest) pour "water" in, split with knife / saw gently later. Not sure about this "water" but with other materials it worked, u need to be careful when splitting. it may work or not depending on how this material flows and overlaps ...:)
Yo brother, when I have worked with silicone caulk on bath tubs, I would put my index finger in a sandwich bag and dip it in vinegar to smooth it out. Have you tried that yet? Food for thought. = )
Awesome job. You sound like Ray Liota from Goodfellas
I often wish I could work my way into the mob. I think I have some skills to offer. ;)
Any vids on the grou d work and flocking, be interested to know the technique used to lay underground ballasts and the flocking mixtures used.
smooth-on makes many different types of silicones with just about any curing time you could want as well as different hardness. The great thing about silicone is that you can paint it in many layers getting great depth. You should be using something like silc pig or psycho paints made especially for silicone and should be airbrushing your paint on to get maximum use of silicone.
I've actually considered using their psycho paints in the past. ;) Smooth-On is my go to for casting/mold making supplies.
***** Nice! I don't have much experience painting pieces like this with psycho paint but for painting masks and prosthetics it is the best.
Try using washing up liquid with water to smooth the surface works a charm👍🏼
+Ashley Kingdon That is a good tip. Thanks for sharing. :)
Use soapy water when smoothing with your finger. Clear polymer sealent would be better than silicon
here is an idea for a test cut out around the breaking waves and apply them on top of a base coat of smooth silicone wait for your base coat to dry then use silicone to glue your breakers to the base and then work the silicone to blend the breakers in.
+mrmartyman7 Interesting idea. Thanks.
The trick for curing the silicone moulds faster with paint is a great idea, hadn't thought of that at all! Btw, is that seaweed on the beach? Looks great! Cheers! Elliott.
:D I would love to see this as a lava color it looks like it has all the texture you'd need for it, outside of plopping in some decent solid debris.
Looks like it would be great for more viscous things. Lava's, Oozes dunno. Maybe creeping corruption of some sort. Would love to see some swamp attempts.
wow that ocean board look wonderful. Do you have a start to finish tutorial on how you achieve your water effects for us beginners? I cant seem to get the nice color transitions in the water to look right.
If you want to use two parts, build the terrain in whole and finish it as you do, then use a band saw and cut it into. the two edges of water will set against each other perfectly.
It would be difficult to cut through the different materials - silicone doesn't cut with a saw easily. :)
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I dont know if you have tried this but I use food coloring in my silicon and epoxy resin when I pour some of mine and I have actually used resin then applied silicon and then brushed several coats of resin on over it
I'm actually doing something similar to that now. When I finish the ocean board set I am working on, I will be going over a caulking with resin. :)
Hi, for smooth effect on silicone did you try to wet your finger on a mix of water and dishe's liquid soap ? It's the way plumbers apply silicon for a smooth effect.
I can't actually remember now. :) But silicone was creating other problems and I abandoned it for a variety of reasons.
I post videos on my FB of waves here in Kaua'i. These are very cool examples. Aloha from Kaua'i.
Aloha. :)
hey, just wondering if you've tried a layer of liquitex with silicone over the top for the wave crests? you could dremel crosshatch over the top of the dried liquited just where you want a wave so the silicone has something to stick into? then you could possibly build the silicone over top the liquitex. i'm sure you've done everything i've thought of and more. I love your stuff, i wish i had even some of the skill you demonstrate!
No, I never considered anything like that. A creative approach. Something to experiment on before going to the final piece. :)
might be super difficult to cover up a cross hatching with a silicone, since both are clear and it might show through, but if you carved a more organic texture into the the liquitex, it might work.
Your work is most awesome as usual , I know your always busy but Ive been trying to do water like you do well a close fascimile there of, but I have a question . I know you said you use the liquitex for the waves but what do you use for the actual water . I work in a really larger scale and using Magic water and woodland scenics is too expensive .
Thank you Good Sir ,
Im hunting around for that initial thing with the Enviro-tex stuff you use for the base, of which looks like an awesome idea btw!
Do you have a video on here that explains that concept? Thanks alot, great work! General note im definitely going to use this!
I wrote a monthly column on water effect products and I do a little explanation of Envirotex and how to find similar products. You can see it here:
www.patreon.com/TerranScapes?ty=a
You need to scroll down just a touch to find it. If it doesn't answer your question, shoot me a follow up. Always happy to help. :)
I have a question for you, How would you do a water effects for let's say GI JOE Sized Vehicles such as the USS FLAGG, KILLER WHALE, MORAY? To give the effect that it is in the water and showing displacement and cutting through the water?
You CAN "finger-smear" silicone to be smooth as glass... the trick is to wet your fingers in baby oil or mineral oil first.
Have you used a rubber/plastic spatula as a tool to push the material? A carved foam brush might work too. The reg. brush doesn't seem to work at all, too many brush lines. Have you tried extenders? They make them for latex and acrylic paints. It should work. The other idea I had was to use air. Either hot or air brush to push it around. No brush strokes that way.
+Hoehner Tim I like your out of the box thinking. I've moved to other methods since I posted this video. I just found the silicone too difficult to work with for me.
Looks pretty good. Did I miss something or did you forget to mention how you actually got the ripples in the Liquitex clear?
I probably didn't go over it. It's really just working it with popsicle sticks or similar. It depends on the specific effect, but cutting the end of the stick at an angle gives you a flat edge that is pretty useful. :)
Do you still mix in acrylic or oil paint in silicone on that large board you showed? I guess what I'm asking is how you made that board and what materials you used?
Because the shine and fading of paint from the deeper areas and the shore line looks very nice...just wondering how you got there.
I used epoxy resin for the bulk of the depth (Klear Kote) and then used a custom mold to cast the waves, in Klear Kote again. Only way to get the translucents at real depths at the time I made it. Woodland Scenics just released a new material that offers a new option for creating deep water pours.
How do you dye the envirotex? I know you painted the bottom, but what of the envirotex itself? Is it bought that color or do you dye it?
But how did you do the main body of water texture???????? :D
And THANK YOU for the awesome wave ideas!
Have you ever worked with Clear Polyester Casting Resin for water effects?
really interesting use. When I work with hotglue i notice it stays super clear and glossy if i don't touch it. so maybe when you tried to smooth it out with your finger you added a slight texture to it. maybe smooth it out with something that is 100% smooth.
+david kessler or try to apply the silicone in a way you'd like it to dry? ie don't touch it
+david kessler Both are good observations. :)
Haha, the direction of the wave depends on the wind and tide, you didn't do much wrong, it also depends on whether the underlying obstruction causing the wave to break is a reef, sandbar, or point break, good video though and these waves are amazing!
Will the silicone turn moldy if used underwater for years?
Did you use anything to coat the foam first before creating the water? I tried silicone last year and it ate away at my foam board. Yours looks amazing tho!
hi guy! i am just a beginner, i ve had a look at many many tutorial, i rally like yours! i want to ask you which material is the basement? may i do the same with a piece of wood!?
What is the material called that you used for the water? Because right now i'm making a D-Day bored, for Flames of war, I never used Water effects before.
What about using small diameter clear tubes to get the wave height?
Interesting idea. :) I'm currently working on a new idea for oceans, and if I can ever get back to working on it, I think it might be better way to go than what I was trying in the past.
What is the best product to make water swampy like or just water except resin? No problem btw
Great video! I read in some of the other comments that you have moved on from silicone because it was just too difficult to work with. Would you be able to tell me, did you have a problem with things sticking to and adhering to the silicone on your test pieces? I am trying to make an ocean board for a naval game and I love the ripple effects of the boards you made. I am worried that the liquitex product would be a little pricey for a 4x8 board. Thoughts or suggestions? Thank you!
I ended up going with silicone. I used: www.liquidnails.com/products/clear-seal-all-purpose-sealant I mixed in mineral spirits to thin it so I could work it and used a much thicker mix with snow to make the 'fluffy' surf breaking effects. I will say I went through a lot of those tubes, and a lot of ventilation is needed if you thin it with mineral spirits. You can see how I used it in my ocean boards playlist. If I had a tip today, I think I wouldn't have thinned it down quite as much. I hope that helps a little. :)
Over foam, use premix acrylic tile adhesive (water soluble, white or gray; "sanded" or smooth)
Home depot: Custom Building Products 1 Gal. AcrylPro Ceramic Tile Adhesive
Model # ARL40001
Internet # 100015587
Store SKU # 610062
Then paint to color with acrylic, apply wash.
Finish with future floor polish for "wet" look, or several coats of dilute PVA glue.
Can seal with shellack if needed.
Can you name the tools to the materials at the end of your videos please
what if you did the water with liquitex and did the wave breaks with silicone? How does silicone bond to liquitex?
+M.R. Hawks I'm not sure it would work. Nothing bonds well to silicone, except silicone. :)
good .. I need to make a lake .. but here in my country do not sell that product ... What could I use? I'm from Venezuela
How do you do the dam?
then make a master mold, then cast your waves in clear, tinted resin?
I have to ask you what is the water made of? I am new in making terrains and dioramas and i am afraid i don't have enough experience as you do:)
Is it Plamo Tsukurou EP 10 Part 2 you meant?
A bit off topic but I Could not help thinking I was listening to Richard Dreyfuss in Jaws after a few minutes and wondering where the shark was. You sound just like him ha ha ha.
:)
I'm saddened to see that your store is temporarily closed. Why is that? I actually am heavily considering getting one or two of the unfinished casts at some point to add to my board. I really want to get those dragon's teeth tank traps for my Chaos army! I think they would look VERY cool if I added some extra Chaos style elements as well as painting it in a Chaos style to make a really nice addition to my board until I start building more of my own stuff.
Hopefully you reopen the store! I really love your stuff. Great work!
I think the traps would look very good with Chaos. :) The store does not open very often as I am constantly flooded with more work than I can handle. However, I will be opening it on Jan 28th. :) I have created a mailing list so people can be notified of openings. You can find the subscription link on the front page of the site or go it directly at this link:
terranscapes.hosted.phplist.com/lists/
You should look at the Newsletter page linked off the main page of the site for more information on store openings.
You can email me anytime if you have any other questions. :)
Excellent! I actually had kind of assumed that being one person it must take a lot of time fulfilling all the requests you must get - I will definitely be looking into that. I should've read more on the site but ended up being so inspired to get back to work on some of my own terrain pieces that I got my Dad to dig through their storage and bring over a box I had of materials that I haven't used for a couple years now.
It's always nice to have a parent with excessive storage space when you're going between different apartments :P
I look forward to the store opening though! I will definitely be showing the many 40K players I know your site as well in case they are in need of sprucing up their personal tables.
Keep up the great work in the meantime! :)
山岡アンドリュ
Thanks. :) Love the 'storage' benefit.
Your stuff looks great I'd love to see actual video's of how you do the waves rather than "This is what I use"
You certainly do make nice stuff though thanks for sharing.
Thanks. :) I'm working on starting to make some tutorials. I have had some setbacks on that front, but next week I plan on starting to shoot some. It will be a little bit while I work out the bugs of how I want them to look. Stay tuned... :)
Trial & Error!
At 4;20, what board is he using underneath the sea?
+DeadeyeDares It's extruded insulation foam, aka 'pink foam'. :) You can get it a home improvement stores, but it might be tough if you live in the south.
beautyfull work , do you sell any of you pieces?
Thank you for your compliment. I work on a commission basis. Right now I am not accepting any project proposals as I am booked well into the this year. :)
As I was watching this I just kept hearing the sound of waves while itching to get on a surfboard...
I don't know if you tried it already..but why not combine/mix silicone and your normal water? A layer of your water, over that the waves out of silicone and to create a nice transition and water surface again your normal water?!
Hey Mike,
I believe I found the same modeler working on a different project. It may be a different "dioramist", but anyone interested can watch the video here: /watch?v=hKk-VNAuXxo
As for the soft flake snow, it could be glass powder. They show a close up of the product in the video. Maybe it sparkles and creates something similar to how droplets refract light--I can't really say, but that would be very much "God is in the details". Hope this helps.
why not color the board 1st there u can play and pour the silicone on it will get transparent and would be more 3d effect ?
This was an experiment. I ended up using a completely different process in the end.
Your voice sounds like the red m&m
I wish I got paid as much as he does. :)
If you allow, I want to publish my hobby. Very nice.
+Kerem Sezer I'm not sure where you want to publish it, but if you would like me to take a look at it I'm glad to do so. :)
+Terranscapes Well. Thank you so much. Your work is excellent. :)
Please make how to vid ?.... Great btw ... Jan pieter nl?
I'm going to make lake over the rubber mats they use to put on the floor for workout equipment go to use the liquid tex should I pour sumthing els or should I be good aready painted the matts the color I want the water to b DEUCE NY RR
Diaramicist?
Epoxy? It's hard smooth glossy and transparent.
Make a 'How to' video :)
diorama sensei