Indiana Jones Streets of Cairo Fedora - Herbert Johnson vs. Advintage
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Michael finally comes face to face with the legendary Herbert Johnson Indiana Jones hat -- specifically the Streets of Cairo fedora from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Can the Herbert Johnson's reputation live up to the Advintage's incredible precision? Or will the HJ's reputation sink the experience? Find out. - Zábava
I absolutely adore this video, although I fear it may cost me some money. Great work Michael!
Thanks man!!!!
You guys are probably one of the only channels that frequently deep-dive into Indy props, every upload is total gold!
This has been IH-300: Intermediate Study of Indiana Jones Headwear. As Professor Frenches' TA I'd like to thank you all for attending this semester, and I'd like to remind you that the final will be on Monday in room 305 of the Brody building. Remember, no phones, laptops, satchels, monkeys, or grail diaries will be allowed in the final. Professor French will be in his office today from 4 to 5, and he will be answering comments tomorrow from 4 to 5. I hope to see all of you next semester in IH-400: Advanced Whipwork and Associated Adventuring.
You’re sure he’s not going to just slip out the window again?
You're the only person that could make a discussion about a hat interesting . And I love ya for it man.
This is my absolute favorite type of content from your channel. The deep cut details and passion for the absolute in screen accuracy is ultra refreshing and second to none. The standards you applied to this matches my own when I was constructing all of my Terminator costumes.
I always learn so much watching your videos. Always great, well researched and produced content! Thank you!!!
Another awesome video Michael I love the details you put in all of your work
I don't know anything about hats, but I found this to be absolutely fascinating! thank you for making this!
You guys really have a great eye for detail. I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
Great video, very informative, thanks Michael.
The analysis (and dollars!) that went into this cracking study of Cairo Indy’s hat is outstanding!
I just watched a 30 minute video about a hat and it was awesome!!!! I love love love this channel
I love your passion with this Michael, Indy as a character means so much to me, it's amazing to see your unique eye for detail with his whole look, film to film and scene to scene. When I saw a new half an hour Retroblasting video uploaded I thought yes! And then it was about Indy too, made my Saturday evening my friend. Thank you.
Another great video, Michael! I'm always impressed by your eye for detail and your videos covering Indiana Jones's outfit have inspired me to take a closer look at some of my own favorite outfits from the silver screen. Very cool stuff.
Love your knowledge in your videos Michael!
Informative and entertaining as always.
It's all about the details and I've ALWAYS loved the details. Excellent video.
Michael French could make a video about the history of tablecloths fascinating. This is a man who puts in the work EVERY TIME.
Really interesting and engaging video sir!
Thanks so much, man.
I had no prior interest in Indiana Jones hats, but i watched this, enraptured, from beginning to end. Amazing work.
I don't know from Indy fandom, but speaking as a Ghostbuster: Getting accurate kit is a labour of love, man... To the original manufacturers, it was just a job they did years ago. To a FAN,the detail is *EVERYTHING*.
I’ve always loved the fact that Herbert Johnson Hatters also manufactured the Fourth Doctor’s Poet style hat for the Doctor Who production team in the 1970s. So Herbert Johnson were responsible for the headwear of two of my childhood heroes.
Yes. The same hat. The Dr. Who hat was the Raiders Poet before it was altered to become the "Indy".
Such fond memories. Back when excited to find people on the internet who could share about Flash Gordon and could still find people to chat about Tom Corbett, Space Cadet and Captain Video. And comics (specifically the Golden Age and not too long gone Pre-Crisis universe). And even then, it mostly led to email or especially snail mail addresses and group lists. Good times.
Michael, I've been looking for a "close enough" Indy hat to go on display in my man cave. Thanks for the well laid out and detailed review! From what I'm seeing online, converting Euros/Advintage and pounds sterling/Herbert Johnson, the Advintage is about HALF the cost!
I've been waiting for this comparison for a while and only someone as dedicated to Indy as you are, Michael, could deliver it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Excellent video Michael! :)
This video is amazing! Your attention to detail is unmatched and if I was to put my money down for an Indy hat you are the man to point anyone in the correct direction
This is a great video - thank you! I remember those days when all we had was the Dorfman Pacific (and I still have mine)!
Thank you Michael for the review. I own my AdVintage Hat since 2019 and love it. But with your video and all the Detail, I really adore it. Thank you for this video!
I understand morgan not wanting to change whip styles, being a whip maker myself, but he also adjusted his transition knot, not handle LENGTH, like is sometimes thought, but he lost a lot of business because fans found ways to make the whips they wanted without compromising durability or crack ability.
Once again your dedication and deep knowledge of a niche subject made a video that should have been boring, quite the opposite. Sorry that after 25+ years of not owning a Herbert Johnson, you are disappointed with the hat. Lucky that you have the excellent hat from Advintage to complete your Indy look. My interest in Indy is limited to the films, action figures and video games... why am I now looking at websites offering hats for £500?!!! Thanks again Michael. 👍
I just spent 30 mins watching a vid about Indy hats...
and I was absolutely inthralled!
TY good sir.
I finally got a Herbert Johnson from dial of destiny made by the same hatter etc it was expensive but worth it
Hi .Did HERBERT JOHNSON only provide the hat .then the movie department changed it for film ? .so the one they provided was a standerd hat ? .great video i lernt something new .i love all that facts .we dont get enough factual videos now days .it more 5 seconed videos .thanks sharing
My late gramps got a lot of fedora hats when he was alive even before the Indiana Jones movies existed. Fits well comfortably and so useful especially in a tropical country where we live in.
hats of too you. Good video 🎩
Wow! I love these deep dive videos! Absolutely Fantastic! Although I do not share you passion for costuming, I do wear a hat on a daily basis. A lot of people do not understand the importance of having the RIGHT accessories. I'm very particular about style, fit, finish, and materials. I all adds up to comfort, especially daily use. Just from the video I can tell both hats would be comfortable, especially if they are bespoke. But the Advinatge is the clear winner in the look and feel department. I'd love to see you doing another whip cracking video with ALL you gear on! That would be awesome!
Why do you think this is a costuming thing? Did you not see all the photos of me over the years? I wear hats DAILY.
@@retroblasting My apologies! Not really sure what I meant to say there... And yes I saw the photos! Life is an adventure, and reminds me I need to get out more!
There's more than 3 movies?
This is a little random but what font did you use for the thumbnail? I tried finding the fonts online to download yet I could not find one that was not a paid product. Thanks!
There are 3 fonts in that thumbnail. You need to be more specific. I can't read your mind.
@@retroblasting The one that states 'streets of Cairo fedora'
Thank you for the in-depth review. I went to Advintage right away, but unfortunately, the hat seems to be unavailable at the moment. I’ll keep checking back.
I have an Adventurebilt Deluxe made by Marc, but haven't deep dived into the status of Indy hats since that purchase (12-13 years now?). Glad to see HJ has drastically stepped up their game, but it seems like "fans will always do the best work" when it comes to Indy hats.
Hi Michael. How would you say the felt of the HJ compares with the AdVintage? I have an early 70s brown poet that’s basically the same model as Tom Baker’s green one, and the felt is so thin compared to a lot you see now which don’t have that easily shaped-ness and tend to be thicker/more rigid
the HJ felt is not the thickest I've run across over the years with hats, but it isn't that pliable thin dress felt either. Just thick enough that you can't do anything with it. That's why I prefer the Advintage. He gets the shaping correct while also providing a durable hat.
Very interesting.
You are truly a scholar & gentleman, Sir. 🎩🤠🎩🤠
I do admire your level of detail and passion, thanks for making this type of subject matter. I miss those old message boards, but boy did they allow me put a 1966 Adam West Batman costume together. Any info on the boots for the Lost Ark look?
Like I said, the Aldens are now made in the correct color again.
Do you know which of these two hats is able to withstand a lot of weathering? (which is a stronger material)
Advintage Masterpiece Grade
*Mike, I love ya Mang -- but, Dayyyumm! This is even nerdier than I am!* Your dedidcation to precision, is a part of our history now.
At what point with you watching this channel did you actually think you're "nerdier" than me? I'd love to know, because I'm documenting this sh*t for good reason because details **matter.**
I really enjoyed this! I have a Steele and Jones SOC hat, but an Advintage is my dream hat!
Curious, have you checked out any of Adam Karolians gear? He makes a great Indy shirt
Yes, I'm aware of Adam. I haven't been able to acquire any of his items. I like Magnoli because he makes the shirts in any colour you want, and I wear this style of clothing everyday. It's a wardrobe for me, not a costume.
The second most famous fedora was wore by Tom Landry… 😎
Herbert Johnson Kinda reflects Lucasfilm today, They ain`t what they used to be.
I just watched a half hour video about hats. I *like* hats but I'm not *into* hats or cosplay for that matter. Nonetheless, I learned something and found it interesting and I know what hat to buy should I ever have that urge. You must have spent a small fortune on hats and other gear over the years. You're truly dedicated to perfecting the look.
I'm not into cosplay either. These are usable clothes and items. This has been part of my daily clothing style for almost 25 years.
@@retroblasting I didn't say they weren't.
Would you do a comparison between Héro Hat Co Fedora and Herbert Johnson Fedora? there isn't any video or photos about this two being compared 😿
I've never heard of them and don't own their hats, so why would I do that?
See guys? Michael ALWAYS makes good on his video idea promises. Just give the man his space to deliver brilliance!
Couldn't agree more. I own both an Advintage and a Fedoraiders, and they are indeed the pinnacle of the Cairo hat. I also recently got a HJ Dial of Destiny fedora, and that is fantastic for THAT movie. As it should be, considering it's the same people who made it.
10:27 Like my husband you are cool and have similar interests!
My husband loves Indiana Jones but he has a special loves for Young Indiana Jone
especially for the WW1 African theater. My husband during his time in the service to South Africa
traveled throughout the areas WW1 Indy travel to. My husband loves to dress in old style clothing
from his beloved Africa. Seeing your images makes me happier there is more people out there who share a common joy! Of course one thing my husband loves to pose with is a Snyder rifle he recently acquired and a Martini Henry reproduction built in South Africa based on his ancestors trophy. Adventurers know how to enjoy life and having hobbies are a great way to make life worth living!
I guess it’s also the reason he called our son Henry.
It was about 1993 and a friend tipped my of that in America there was a very close match for Indy boots from a small shoe dealer in Carmel, California . I attempted a phone call from Australia and could never quite get the time right. I eventually sent them a postcard and then began the long back and forth about sizing . Alden of Carmel had no idea if the boots were the Indy boots but they said they looked similar. I sent a tracing of my feet and a US dollar money order and about 6 months later my boots arrived.
On your recommendation I popped up to Katoomba while on a Sydney vacation (it’s only an hour by car or hour plus by train and beautiful up in the blue mountains; a great break from city and beaches). They were out of deluxe versions so I got a regular FedIV. The ladies at the Hattery were incredible. They fitted me, talked with me, and Naomi formed the hat right there in front of my eyes from a group of photos. While not the ‘top’ maker anymore, they’re more affordable and it’s more than worth the trip if anyone is in or near Sydney.
Akubras are always a good purchase.
You can never beat an obsessed/inspired artisan! It takes that degree of personal passion to render the deeper details and aura of something like this, versus the technical replication of a past product. It's abundantly clear in the side by side comparison photos at 20:26, the Herbert Johnson is a smart looking hat, but it lacks 'character'.
Still have an Akubra Federation MK 1. Unique and durable. Also have their Cattleman from the same period. I wear them both in summer to protect from sun damage. Great quality.
As someone who has been through all the same as you since the beginning of the trilogy, I wholeheartedly agree! Herbert Johnson is a beautiful hat, but can’t compare to AdVintage. I’m glad the HJ is back to bespoke and not the horrible factory made ones they were selling us in the 2000s. There’s no comparison to AdVintage atm. Thomas is absolutely amazing, his materials are the best, and his customer service is amazing.plus his hats are all finest Portuguese beaver. HJ was offering beaver for a bit but now it’s straight rabbit at beyond beaver prices. And Thomas also has Marc Kitters blocks and know how for the KOTCS lid. I’m a huge mark for AdVintage!!!
I love your Indiana Jones content michael so inspiring to me I’m an Indy collector myself and I feel like the Indy side of Lucasfilm just gets overshadowed by Star Wars! But I want you to know I love your content man keep it up
Thanks so much!
@@retroblasting of course man! :)
Ok. Well now I want one.
apparel my husband adores he buys Fedoras from Old town hat shop in Albuquerque New Mexico.
I shaped my own indy hat from an Akubra federation iv.
Ok, Michael, serious question though. Advintage has all the little details, but that is a replica of a "Worn" hat right? Like broken in. Would it be safe to say that the Herbert Johnson is closer to a "fresh off the rack hat, with less character to a "years worth of adventuring hat" ? Indy's hat would have been new at some point in its life right? Didn't it gain character through his adventures over time? Just a thought.
(Enjoyed the video❤)
There is no way this HJ would become that hat over time. Remember, Ford's hat wasn't authentically worn in. It was ARTIFICIALLY weathered, so it had to look 90% correct from new to get the look they wanted.
@retroblasting Thanks. I'm torn because, on the one hand, accuracy is awesome, but on the other, so is originality. I wanted a Herbert Johnson because having a hat from a 100-year or so old company is awesome, but so is having an accurate hat. At the end of the day, I'm NEVER going to be Indy. But feeling like him for a split second, looking in the mirror.... that's worth the time to chase down the right hat. Even if it's not from Herbert Johnson in London.
12:44
Indy and Marion!
They do know what to take for an indy fedora...
English, please?
I still have the one you gave me!
I had wondered if you still have that Stetson.... Good to know, man.
What hat is Melinda wearing?
A Gorin brand I believe
@@retroblasting is it from a movie?
no
👍👍👍
This is wild. Thanks for the video, I was looking myself for a decent Indy hat to wear for travel, hiking and so. But I found mostly rip off (shady facebook ads) or really overpriced. Advintage seem to be affordable. I wonder if the shipping fee was ok ?
It was reasonable considering the distance.
@@retroblasting Thanks for that. I'll consider it ! Take care and keep up the good work.
As someone who owns both a recent HJ Crusade Poet and Advintage's mass produced Harrison in Crusade style? I'm partial to the cheaper hat.
The quality difference is notable, but I paid $175 in 2019 for something that's 85-90% screen accurate vs. $550 in 2022 for something equally as accurate just higher quality materials and the brand name. The HJ is great, but not for almost $300 more. Keeping it for the legacy, but the cheaper hat is my daily driver and I love weathering it.
That's great, but it also can be misleading. My Advintages are the Masterpiece-grade versions, which are far higher quality than what HJ is offering as their ONLY option. Someone could read your comment and think Advintage is a cheaper grade of fedora, when in actuality you have different purchase grades with them versus HJ. You **opted** for Advintage's cheapest choice, but that wasn't the ONLY choice from their shop.
After looking up advintage hats, they seem to be half of the price of the Herbert Johnson. While I'm disappointed that they didn't live up to Michael's expectations (even after finding the original molds) it just go's to show again that fans dedication rivals companies results. Simply put, the fans do the best work, because they care more. Details matter more to a fan than a company who just makes things for money at the end of the day. Fans make things, because of passion. And that Trumps all.
(Correction one option is that cheap, other versions and styles are more.)
At the end of the day, proper hat fit is as dependent upon the build and facial characteristics of the wearer as the hat shape itself. Not everyone is going to look good in an Indy-style fedora. Harrison is a ruggedly handsome and well-proportioned grown man. It was great when the movies put Indy in a gray Stetson (or whatever it was). It might have been interesting to have thrown a Trilby or Homburg on him as well. I suppose we did get a beret in Last Crusade. My point being is the perfect Indy hat replica may unfortunately not go well with every wearer of said hat, even if the fit and styling is perfect. Enjoy the Indy hat for what it is, then find a different hat that fits who you are.
And as for technical info about the various hats researched in this video- absolutely top notch!
Not really liking your tone or line of "logic" here. Just seems like a desperate apology on Herbert Johnson's behalf, like a simp play.
If the hat fits……
Sorry…..couldn’t resist. No need to take offense. And I’m sure “Big Caput,” or whatever the hat industry folks are colloquially known as, are more than capable of defending their own products without any assistance. My point was directed more at misguided cosplayers than collectors of movie memorabilia. Certainly not everyone who wishes they were Mr Ford can simply become him by donning the headgear. Surely such a statement will only be found controversial to the small number of folks to whom it applies.
I wish I still had my Noel Howard shirt, bag and belt I still have a signed Christmas card he sent me
After looking at the website I am considering the seaplane version for casual wear. The pictures just don't clearly show a grey color.
I am a hat guy and if it is indeed grey it would be a nice hat that doesn't scream playing dress up to everyone. Nothing wrong with that but just not for me.
Brown hats are not "dress up" hats, pal. Check your bias.
@retroblasting I am aware, the seaplane version they sell is supposed to be grey
you guys are my favorite channel to watch and i love your star wars vintage toy vids
20:10 brim on AdVintage is best and crown on HJ is best.
When I saw the HJ hats on fans they all looked like Elmer Fud. The crown was way too tall and big. The hatter must have changed it up seeing the crown is shorter now.
I have a FedIV, it’s been in rain, sleet and snow, shoved and rolled in travel bags, traveled with me around the world and I put the Indy turn in it and from all the real wear I think it looks identical to Indy’s hat. The color though never impressed me, the felt always seemed to dark.
Harrison Ford made the Raiders hat what it is by personally aging it himself and bashing it for the film.
Thats why fans hats don’t always look the part. It needs that unique hand shaping and aging and the proper turn to get it looking right.
The crown on the HJ hat is awful, man. It looks flat and nothing like the crown in Raiders. But I try to be respectful of the blind, so I hope things work out for you in your life.
I agree about the advintage it is the best and I had a peter bros which in 2007 had Steve Delk reblock it. I had a Herbert Johnson Poet that was blocked also by Steve through Magnoli . My video you can see my advintage with all my gear.
Ive alway thought It was shapped a little bit like a cowboy hat, but a fadora
*fedora - And it's not a cowboy hat by any means. In fact they speculate it might have been an Australian outback style model originally.
Jerome McGann would salute, Michael.
Do any of these hats cause Bad Hat Hair?
Why is that a concern for **you**?
I would say yes, but only if you wear it for the full duration of a bad movie. The Flash, as an example.
@@Chronically0nline lol
Oh, man. You are gunna ruffle some feathers saying herbert johnson isn't the holy grail of fedoras. I can feel the eath shake now. Lol
Great video. Fantastic comparison between two quality fedoras.
I have a John penman. 13yrs old. I like the temple grap scene the best. However, 13yrs old, rain, snow, Mexico, all over. It looks very streets of cario now and looks amazing. John makes a fantastic fedora.
Until Michael began making these videos on Indy's various outfits from film to film, I never realized just how different they were. Subconsciously I think I knew that the various hats were different from Raiders, but now it's obvious just how unique that particular hat is. Fascinating how someone with the resources of Spielberg and Lucas weren't able to reproduce the original hat.
I recently collaborated with Thomas Osygus and adVintage Hats as an illustrator. Their Indiana Jones fedoras are amazing and I myself am a proud owner of a 'Streets of Cairo' version. I can highly recommend adVintage Hats as one of the best makers of screen accurate Indy fedoras.
I will say, the Herbert Johnson hats were made the same way for the films. Harrison Ford actually messed around and folded the brim down himself on set. At least thats what I heared on a behind the scenes video a while back. someone please fact check that.
There is no way he could "mess with it" to the level that the crown would take the humpback shape versus the shape they are using. They do not have it correct where the crown is concerned. Plus, they aren't even using the same felt anymore, so you can't say with certainty they are made the same way. You have no clue. You're just parroting their PR speak.
@@retroblasting i agree they are slightly different, but you also have to take into account that the film costume designers also messed with the shape of the hat I.E weathering, crushing it, bending and folding it. I dont want to argue about it, because i do love your channel and content, as specially your lego Indiana jones videos. but for sure they are different material and I cant say for worse or better.
In the original manufacturer's defense, they didn't beat those hats to hell, the production did. They sold them top of the line fedoras that the movie makers bent out of shape and gave character to. So even recreating the original hat with the original proportions, what comes out of the haberdasher will still differ from how it looks by time it's on screen and you need to beat it up a little yourself to tweak it properly.
This has nothing to do with "beating it up." If you've bought and worn bespoke hats your whole life (and clearly you haven't) you'd know this hat's entire block and crown needs total reshaping. The whole hat is off by a nautical mile. But hey, you keep pushing your empty theories.
@@retroblasting You could have just said the bit about the block being off and the crown needing reshaping and I'd have respected it. Belittling and insulting me is uncalled for.
I agree with your assessment and if you notice in raiders the hat doesn’t always look pitch perfect like people think. People tend to create a false perception of the hat they piece together different angles of the hat from different scenes to create their ideal raiders hat in their mind. Also what I tend to see people complain about is the floppiness of the hat. They want it floppy but get upset when the hat doesn’t hold its shape or it holds its shape but it’s too stiff. You can’t have it both ways that’s just unrealistic. So if you want to do the beating up yourself I would recommend the Herbert Johnson. If you want the hat to look exactly like it does in a certain scene bit for bit then I would recommend Advintage. At the end of the day though the Herbert Johnson is gonna be more authentic and besides putting some character into the hat yourself is better than it being artificially made.
H.J make hats. Advintage make prop replicas.
He wears these hats in every day life, and he doesn't wear _prop replicas._ If he wears the Aidvantange, its not _just a prop replica..._
@@timothyward8695 You misunderstand.
Indiana Jones > Star Wars
You can always get a steamer and work that brim, it would totally change the feel of the hat.
Here's to hoping...