Can a £900 eBay German Better a £30,000 Italian Car?
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- Could the Mercedes be a better luxury car than a Maserati costing more than 30 times as much? My W220 S Class is renown for being one of Mercedes' worst.. The Quattroporte GTS is a beautiful car but clearly flawed. What will the road test show?
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There are several reasons why you see twenty year old Mercedes Benz vehicles being daily driven as opposed to Maserati vehicles.
Because Mercs depreciate to be next to worthless :D
Really the Maserati is a 4 door Ferrari. And if you recognise that you are buying an uncompromising sports car that has space for a couple of dogs in the back . Then it's a great car because on those special days when you can really hear it bark the absolute joy of a sports car will compensate for everything else in spades. The Mercedes will always be boring. Mercedes owners buy Teslas... well some do
@@rosewood1 not for nine hundred quid
Owned a Maserati quattroporte 08 GTS since 2014, it’s a beguiling car to drive, I don’t notice the bumpy ride now, but it cruises on the motorway nicely with the cruise control set to nearly 3 digits, and once you get to a country road, (the highlands of Scotland being a favourite) it is like nothing else, long open roads and great acceleration coupled with smooth quick cornering make for an ideal GT car with loads of room, apart from finicky electrics, it’s been a very good vehicle, and these early ones are more like £15k now which is a bit of a bargain for the right owner
Mainland Europe moreso 20s for the GTS.
Blue looks amazing on it.
It's really a fast GT coupe ballooned out to a 4-door, which is something the Italians have pretty much always done (I can remember the introduction of the very first Quattroporte). JayEmm has just revisited the Alfa Giulia QV and it seems to be just about the first Italian 4-door express to actually be done the other way around (Alfa, of all the makes you wouldn't expect to nail it).
@@EliteRock in this generation the QP came before its coupe sibling though, the grantourismo is built on the same platform but shortened as the 5th gen QP but launched 4 years later, I have driven both and the Grantourismo is a slightly more athletic drive but the QP is a hidden gem of a sports car
Quattroporte is the most beautiful saloon car ever made, utterly lustworthy.
I feel Maserati is designed to be a sports sedan with a splash of luxury verses the alternative. Cheers!:)
The back end of the Maserati reminds me of a Rover 75 !
I Drive a W140 S280, why a 280? Not for any other reason than I was buying a newer diesel E Class and then a friend went through DPF, injector and other issues which put me off. 98 S280 is not fast but quicker than it has any right to be, returns 30 MPG but loses no money has no DPF and is like riding on a silent cloud. Not crazy soft close this or air sprung that to go wrong. I love Italian cars and had a Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo for a while, I also have a couple of V8 Land Rovers but for sheer comfort and A 2 B daily transport the Merc is a Hero.
l love Italian cars.....................but, when i think of this one in most instances i believe the people that get the best experience of this one are the folks on the side of the road that get to see and hear it go past, enthusiastically.
Taking into account the price gap you are absolutely correct, but the Maser is in another league/level...
Only as far as speed goes ,and that's irrelevant in the real world
@@LOTPOR0402 Merc is really hopeless car, they had always very bad steering etc
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Lol @ "Bismark"! THAT should stick!
Is that “JEM on cars” motor?? If so, Hope your mate James has a thick skin LOL. For comfort the Merc every time… but the noise that Maser makes… ooooh!
Great job!!!! Thanx for u videos :D
The big Merc is an autobahn crusher.. big fat German family crossing a continent with a boot full of Bratwurst und Bier…
Maserati… legging it around Tuscany with your best mates wife with a case of Amarone and truffles in the boot!!
Horses for courses Jack…
😂😂😂
The Maser is just totally pointless though.. just buy a sports car!
@@Number27 Maser is for people who need sporty big car for family trips too sea or mountains. On a highways you don't feel hard suspension and when you drive it over mountain passes it drives very well.
Best comment here😜
One of these would be within my budget - the other is basically in the stratosphere 😁
I'm inclined to say that the Merc is; albeit many years apart with design and technology; similar in many ways to my old P5B.....
A luxury executive car with a bit of grunt: best utilised for wafting along, so to speak.
Bearing in mind who owns that Maserati..... not going to slate it because there is something that does make sense. You found it out during the review, methinks.
Good review there Jack 👍
Very nice video. I'd take the Merceds it is a proper wafter. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.
Did I hear Jack call the Merc the Bismarck?
You did..
Bismerc!
To be honest both cars are completly different , each have their own merits and running costs will be different too, its whatever floats your boat really? Id keep my Merc anyday over the Maserati esp when it comes to repair costs! A mate had one and each time it went wrong it was a huge bill to fix, he soon got rid of it
Yes same here I would keep the merc
I drive a newer E Class which I love but it's let down a bit by the big wheels and low profile tyres which can spoil the ride at times. That old S Class meanwhile looks like it would take you across continents in total comfort. Glad you're enjoying it.
Yep my 2002 Sclass 500 is perfect for continental driving, 18" wheels and proper tyres= comfy ride
Just change the wheels - I have a 2016 E220 on 17" wheels - smooth as the awful Buckinghamshire roads allow
Great comparison Jack, my 18 month old son Caleb has just watched your video with me and he kept blowing kisses every time you drove the S class so he is obviously a Merc fan and a Number 27 fan 😉👍
😄😄😄 congratulations on the little one Ryan!!
@@Number27 cheers Jack! 👍
*Jack, I seriously suggest you to run.* That's a well engineered 30 thousand pound italian BOMB.
LOL
Great video Jack!
It makes no sense. Therein lies the attraction, Jack. As always, a great watch - thanks!
That’s an interesting comparison. Just shows that it’s not just about money. I’d be interested to consider what the Merc would have cost when it was the same age as the Maser is now?
Great fiercely honest crit of the Mazzer QP. I’ve never driven that Merc model but it looks one hell of a bargain at £900. I’d love to hear a mechanic’s report on the car because surely it must have some expensive repairs due imminently otherwise why the giveaway price? I would take issue with your description of £30k value on the QP. I own a 2007 QP auto and I must say I love it but it’s value will be nearer £10-12k now so the 2020 model featured will be lucky to make £15k. (I bought it 4 years old for £28k) It’s true that the Mazzer is horribly expensive on parts. New front discs and pads £1500 for example. Great fun on long or short trips though. If you want comfort buy a older Rolls Royce.
Compare a 2010 Mercedes with this Maserati and tell me the Maserati is better. Like for like, year for year, the Mercedes is better and more reliable.
Nobody would disagree, but it's a boring thing and every tom dick and Harry is driving a Merc now even the chavy boy racers
Mercedes is trading on a reputation for reliability it just no longer has. Are they innovative? Yes. Are they beautiful? Yes. Are they reliable? No. I have owned a Merc from new and in the four years I have owned it; the reliability is shocking. Added to the service from MB and their dealership network, which is equally poor; I don't think I would ever buy another. The vehicle cost £53k so wasn't like it was a "cheap" model either.
Finally tested my car - I mean the same model ;)
ZF 6 speed that actually works really well for an automatic! This is an amazing car.
Nice review, Jack. So it comes down to a hearty meal from the old-money German house-frau, or a roll in the hay with the high-strung Italian mistress? The choice is yours, depending how hard you want to work!
The Merc is a car, the QP is a precious piece of art!
Looking forward to James' s version of this video.
That Maserati shares its beauty with Monica Belloccui…….enough said.
Nice indeed. Thanks.
The Maserati is more of a large Sports Saloon rather than a luxo barge like the Merc. Completely different cars tbf. You'd take the Maser for a B road blast and the Merc for comfort.
Compare it to a 2010 S63 AMG.
The Merc wins hands down in every department
Yes it’s not a very good comparison
I prefer the Maserati looks over the S63 and I’d hate to be faced with the choice of either two cars because owning either one would make me feel like I should have bought the other. I bought a CL63 for half the price of either and my Mrs owns a Ghibli, also half the price of a Quattroporte GTS or equivalent S63. It’s great to have access to both and they look awesome on the driveway.
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Yeah, but the Maserati sounds Soooooo Gooooood! 🥳 Nice work Jack, Thank you 🙌
Thank you for watching chap!!
old is gold ill take the silver carpet all day....
Putting it into sport sounds like the same issue Clarkson had with the E60 M5 back in the day with the //M button.
The Quattroporte is also considered by a few car journos as the best sports sedan ever.
I'd love to see how it compares to E39 M5..another one often cited as the best and the Giulia Quadrifoglio, the current best one.
I drive a e39 530i, oké it’s not fast and the suspension is soft, but the chassis is superb.
@@DouweBuruma E36 316i
No go
Perfect controls and chassis.
If it makes you feel better there was a podcast with Jason Cammisa who has driven everything and he said the 530i is kind of better than the M5.
He never liked how heavy it felt compared to the 6 cylinder cars.
DTS agreed that through a canyon the 530 is a better A to B machine
But that glorious Maserati noise💕
For a while there the Maserati ran the 4 speed auto from Spicer (Borg Warner). Same as in the Australian Falcon. It was a pretty good auto when it was operating well. Better than many of the 5 speed autos in fact. But tended to become problematic if you didn't service it after 100Mm.
Yeah I had one in my Falcon Ute, funny to think it had the same trans as a Maserati!
Brutal, but true!
We just bought a 2010 s class on eBay.....I drive to Istanbul once a month. The Mercedes has been so good....stunning long distance cruiser.
I had a 2000 Mercedes
& now
I'll never buy a Mercedes again ever
Ahhh the dilemma Jack, Ahh the childhood dilmma!!
Ah, the curse of the luxury car! Once you get used to them, less comfortable cars just seem... wrong. 🤷🏻♂️
'Bismark' ... love it 😀
Great "test" Jack you'll be replacing Clarkson soon. I like the Mercedes anyway but you're conclusion on the Maser reflects its sales performance in the UK. Its a very pretty car but I think the Merc is nice too. A good video, but I reckon the BX will handle better on that test route than either of them (once it's fixed). I was watching a video on that Xantia "Active" model and how much speed that could carry into corners. Let's hope Citroen reintroduce the trick suspension to its present models. Look forward to the next one. Best wishes. Ben 🚌🚍🇨🇵🇬🇧
It’s tough to compare these two as they’re so different.
One has you wondering if you’ll get there calm and relaxed, while the other has you wondering if you’ll get there at all.
The Mercedes is a daily driver while the Maserati is for weekends, when you have plenty of time to wait for the tow truck . . .
Yes I agree.. it was a bit of fun really. They are very different but I thought it was interesting to compare a very cheap Merc to a relatively expensive Maser!
Gosh, both cars would be massive money pits - I’d take the merc though 😁
When it looks that good and sounds that amazing, I can forgive the Masser anything.
Hey I have a early Maserati It’s a weekend car with the F1 6 speed manual . V8 come with a price tag It’s how deep your pocket is . Service is easy Ferrari / Maserati /Alfa Romano . Bang for your buck / parts are everywhere . / Helensville New Zealand.
Have a look at a first gen Jaguar XF-R. You can get serviceable ones now for maybe £12k. Would be a good comparison. The Jaguar is just as flawed as the Maserati but leans into the luxo barge feel. Extremely comfortable and has serious punch. 500 horsepower and alarmingly low on traction enlivens the fun.
I like that W220 😍
Floaty old s-class in softer, more luxurious ride than maseratis sportiest version of its sports saloon shocker. Merc is a great car for £900 and will also ride better than a brand new e63s, RS6 or M5. I guess that makes it’s better than them too, at 100k each. It’s a fun test but these cars have nothing in common apart from having 4 doors.
I ran about in a 1996 fiesta I bought for £150 a few years back, that rode better than every modern car I’ve driven in the last 15 years too, and was dirt cheap to run. Unbeatable!
Yes I agree.. it was a bit of fun really. They are very different but I thought it was interesting to compare a very cheap Merc to a relatively expensive Maser!
A S55 kompressor would be nice to put up against it or E55 kompressor
I like these comparisons. How's the MOT on Ferrari going?
MOT on the Citroen you mean? If so slowly.. Tomato keeps developing new faults for me to fix!
@@Number27 No, the Ferrari. It ran out 7 weeks ago. I look forward to more BX vids. I had a Xantia and changed all the spheres on that. I had to make up a special tool to loosen them. Doing a clean out and flush of the reservoir made a huge difference too.
I had a Maserati - Never again - Great to look at but the expense at the garage was phenominally high - The Mercedes is also not great but it drives forever and only breaks or goes wrong when parts wear out. This is the older once again Mercedes like Jack's - BUT - My Saab 1999 Viggen Convertible is ultimately better than both.
lol sure, did you see the video of this Merc earlier, full of faults and rust. just rofl german fan boys. Saab good? thats funniest thing I have heard a while- You cant make Opel good.
Great non tech comparison, well done. Get hold of the GranTurismo please, for a future video.
It can. The question is will it?
0.30.That's not a "mad BMW saloon".It's a Mercedes.
You made me loving the gts...
But to be fair, i'll out maserati more against an M5 or a rapide, not an s class.
Even if the gts is the biggest in the range back in the days
Easy choice considering the price difference, at 900UKP it would be cheaper to replace the Merc if it had a major issue!
That Quattraporte though 😍
For me the plush Merc and some money left for a boat and trailer😊
How do you drive most of the time? Not flat out that's for sure. And for me the dash in the Maserati is a bit low rent. I'd be paranoid about reliability too. The exterior styling is lovely & it does sound gorgeous though. With a minimal amount of modding to the exhaust the Merc could be made to sound like that too though (I have the same 5.0 V8 in a CLS & that's what I did).
Did you see the reliability of this Merc? its horribly unreliable and rust bucket.
@@coltr7561 age related items fixed for a couple of hundred quid. Try that on the Maserati
@@phil955i no need to fix maserati and its not rust bucket. Age related items dont bring electric faults like in Mercedes and thats not even so old car. I would be very afraid of Mercedes reliability, when I see this kind of faults in car of this level. And Im not sure those faults are really fixed, you cant fix faults like those with jesus tape. Even Japan cars dont rust so easily as this Mercedes.
@@coltr7561 er, the Maserati is 10 years younger. Come back in 10 years time & see if you can say the same. And the Mercedes is 20 years old, how can you say the faults aren't age related? Statistically, compared to the Mercedes the Maserati is much less reliable. Heck, read one of the comments on here from an owner. It is Italian after all.
@@phil955i car with that age should not be rust like that, especially this pricy brand. And Im not sure the car is 20 years old. Does he says it some video from which year the car is?. Even Italian cars with 20 years old dont rust like that or have electric issues like those. Do you have these statistics somwhere? I havent seen such statistics? Im sure this statical data is just in your mind, just as its Italian car , its bad. Im sure you think all what comes from Italy is unreliable shit, no matter how good they actually are. Mercedes is German car afterall and they are not that reliable, never been, people just think they are. Fo example BMW was bottom brand between 2015-2017 JD Power Germany., Lets see that Maserati after 5 years , and Ill bet its not rusted.
Another great comparison video. Would also love an update on the Lotus...if nothing else what your future plans for it might be. My wife has a more modest Mercedes and everything you say about yours is also true about hers, but hers has a nicer interior. And everything you say about the Maserati sounds about right for my Alfa Giulia. It is just not Mercedes in terms of luxury car...but when you want a sports car, it is all you can ask for and more. It isn't horrible when just poking around, but it doesn't feel special until you really start to drive it. So you've got your tomato and your Ferrari. Any long term thought on either? And what is the Mercedes doing to your psyche? Luxury, even though it only cost 900 pounds, is still very seductive.
Hey, FrankEnlise is around.. just been too busy to do much on it. Update will come soon!
Sclass peaked in the 80's with the w126.
He he, so you don’t like it then 🤣🤣😂 don’t hold back, looks and sound nice, that’s it, brill’ , ok when ragging though 🏁👏🏁
When Italians say TVR do they try and do it in a Blackpool accent? Genuinely interested.
thats all well n good but what mpg you getting in that merc?
Surprisingly good, 28mpg average abs 33-34 on motorway.. Maser in contrast is terrible, like my GranSport was. QP is really amazing fun.. but it’s not a good car overall.
It's NOT a Ferrari engine, simply a Ferrari based block and it's characteristics are NOTHING like they are in the original version.
It has changed from a flat plane crank to a cross plane and the heads and cams are very different.
It's been totally re engineered.
Under those circumstances I'm not sure how you feel it's origins as a sports/super car engine have any relevance.
No one decries a Zonda engine because its based on a S class V12
It is built by Ferrari...
@@JayEmmOnCars yes it was.
But the cross plane version was developed by Maserati to their spec/needs and is much more a Maserati engine than a Ferrari one.
Internally its very very different to an F430 engine and its sound, delivery, power/torque curves are totally different too.
Alfa also used a variant of the Maserati cross plane version in the 8C Competizione and 8C Spyder. The engine was badged as Alfa Romeo but in this case it was really was just a tweaked Maserati engine.
8C/MCS variants sound amazing
I would take the Maserati every single day of the week despite its shortcomings.... Its a Maserati the name is just Magical.... Mercs, BMW, AUDI are just so common.....
Love the Maser, all the pity that the follow up wasn't as good though do like the look of the smaller Ghibli. Given how good Ferrari are at sports cars, pity Maserati can't do the same with their range as alternative to the Germans.
Depends on what you want. That sound is intoxicating, something the Merc just can’t compete with.
The Maserati is a perfect synthesis. A sportscar for the family . I know Mercedes S Klasse since I was born in 1970. my grandfather had a 220se. I will never forget the great Engine sound. We had a w126 and a w140. But I prefer the italian Lifestyle
Wow, that was a LOT of voice cracks in the beginning of the video, sounded like he was about to cry or something.
Soft as butter, Iove it 😄
Different types of car being rated against mainly torquey/wafty ride. Yes, the Merc would win that.
As you said Jack, the Merc was a low cost revelation, of how cars could be, compared to your more err, 'characterful' other cars!
Why you buy the Maserati? Because it looks great, because it sounds great, because it has soul something the s-class doesn't have! You show your wife a family car but deep inside you, you know what fun it's going to be when the roads become twisty...
You should drive an 06 E55 AMG . . .
I agree Jack, the S class is a real bargain, and clearly better overall.
I could bare that Maserati,you’ve been spoilt by the plushness of that old merc.Try riding a road bike for a day and then get in the Maserati.😆
Its a sports sedan - GTS model - suspension is exactly they way its supposed to be firm. Its not supposed to be a soft s class or rolls royce - its stupid to complain about a firm suspension on car like that.
its not a luxury sedan its a sports sedan
No excuse for poor ride.. it’s not firm, it’s crap. Try an M5. That is form but works properly, on the Maser it is jiggly and just feels wrong and oversprung. But I get your point about one being a spa Orta saloon and the other not. It’s a silly test, I’m aware of that but it’s a bit of fun and interesting to see how such a cheap Merc compares to a car costing so much more.
My ex-wife knew somebody who had a Maserati. Probably the worst car I have ever been for a ride in. I'm sure it's fine on a track day on perfect tarmac, but otherwise, it is only about as comfortable as a Caterham 7, but with no grin on your face. I just didn't see the point of it. It's good looking, and it has a pedigree Italian badge, but it has the ride comfort of an Atco lawnmower with a trailing-seat. I figure it appeals to estate agents who think they've made it.
The BisMerc isn't Merc's best effort by a long way. As a cheap(ish) used buy, it really makes a lot of sense though. The Maser is something you have to really want.
Totally agree!!
You want a sports car but the wife says no you need to be able to carry the kids around... Hello Maserati
Aha!! That does make more sense!
The Model years for ALL THE CARS you review should always be in the description!... Don't you think that is very relevant?
The three pronged suppository against another three pronged suppository ummm the battle of the Titian's?.............which one is more expensive to fix when........it's.......broken..........,battle of when the engine light comes on.
The Maserati sounds lovely but that carbon steering wheel is horrible. I’m not sure it was meant to be a luxury car, I think it was supposed to be a four door sports car.
Knowing the price paid for the Mercedes would add an awful lot to the satisfaction factor.... What comfort for the price of a seasonal adult bus pass...
The QP may well have a split personality and unexpected strengths and weaknesses, but it's nothing like this actual comparison, for being pointless and silly.
• The frame of reference changes by the minute. (Family car? GT? Luxury car? Value for money?)
• The hyperbole is as highly babbled as that in any 27 video I've seen.
• A few points of difference are highlighted, but most are briefly referred to, or ignored completely. (Surely, boot and other storage space is a relevant feature to assess the success of a luxury car - no mention. Where and how is the QP less roomy?)
• How many km had each car done?
• Even more significant, did they either car have new, or even decent quality tyres fitted? These heavily influence ride comfort, steering feel, cornering grip - even interior noise
(Jack never _ever_ mentions tyres, in these very random car features.)
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Horses for courses - choose wisely.
Yes.
I only hope you still have your friend....
I really think you have compared an apple with an orange in this one. The person who chooses to buy a Mercedes will not be thinking of a Maserati as an alternative.
Driving the bargain of the century with virtually zero depreciation would give me a lot more smiles than a Maserati that costs a fortune to fix
For all it's flaws, the Maserati is in another league in terms of character.
But not £29100 worth of character
Listen to it! The 900€ are a waste of money!
It’s quite simple Jack, the MB is a luxury car with sporting pretensions while the Maserati is a sports car with luxury pretensions.
Very well put!!
I like my £29100 too much and I’ve heard Maseratis are rather problematical
Well one is a 2002 car and the other 2010 never mind being different types of car!
That’s the point really.. it’s not supposed to be a direct comparison. It’s just supposed to show that as a luxury car a £900 Merc is a better bet than a Maserati coating 30 times as much!
Sadly yes. Owned couple Quattros in trade. Engine styling apart Merc flattens it. Shame. Merc dull as toast. Rides super nice Merc. Merc Still called a big smoke in trade even this shape. Glides so well !!!
Some people like dull cars. Not me though.
@@judih.8754 Yes , understand both schools thought, the Maserari is a rare rare thing , maybe a 166 is similar, Alfa 166. You know, drive a dull LS400 H reg from 1990 , the original, maybe a one owner just under 100,000 miles, somebody has cared for, you'll be frightened how much you like dull, though. Gliding cars, beautiful, when in the mood!
"Why would you buy it?" Because it's not a Merc or an Audi or a BMW