How to ruin a brilliant V12 Ferrari? The Facelift Everyone Hated (vid 2 of 2)
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Was the negative reaction to the facelift of the Ferrari 550 justified and is the Mercedes SL65 AMG a better choice? It's certainly much quicker!
- Auta a dopravní prostředky
1000 nanometres of torque. That's about what my first Ford Fiesta had.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was going to say something similar about my first car - 1976 Triumph Spitfire.
1000nm = 1 micron, somewhere in the near infra-red. Yes a Fiesta will certainly emit something in that band, especially around the headers.
@@timgosling6189 Yeah, right on spot, Tim. It was a certain Mr. Newton who gave his name for the units of torque and I guess he would have liked all Ferraris had he lived when the Ferraris were put on market. Or had the Ferraris been delivered during Newton's life.
Oh, I just watched the video 'til its very end and saw that Jack himself said "Nanometers" (but corrected it visually). Sorry, Jack, I did not want to poke fun on you (in my reply to Tim Gosling), everybody can make a mistake. And on my part: I make a lot of mistakes every here and then.
I may be be biased....but why does everyone seem to forget the 456GT? Definitely a Grand Tourer with the added bonus of 2 reasonably sized rear seats. Glorious V12, admittedly with 'only' 442BHP (!). I had a manual F355 Berlinetta for just over 10 years but saw a lovely blue TDF 456GTM back in April with only 21000 miles and a virtually unmarked crema interior. Never having had a 'proper' Ferrari before and not being quite as young as I was I thought 'why not?' Added bonus: I even think my wife likes it, although she hasn't actually said those exact words...You get the odd hint like 'ooh, nice colour' or 'seats are quite comfy'. She liked everything about the 355, except the ride, the colour, the noise, the getting and out, need I go on? Been up to the Peak District recently and the old girl can still pick up her skirts and get on own the road if necessary (the car, not the wife...). Obviously a totally different animal to the 355 , but sometimes 'plus la change' as they say somewhere...Keep up the good work Number 27 (ever been a Bond villain?). I salute your seemingly endless patience and persistence with the InfluEnzo.
Yes, paused the video at 50 seconds in to comment "what about the 456?!". I wish I'd bought the one I saw a few years ago (2014 I think), manual, low mileage... £22k!
I ran a 456M (Verde Zelweg) and loved owning it - apart from the bills. Dropped it in hard times after noticing I'd always chose my 111S Elise if I wanted a fun drive. But a really lovely bit of kit, if you can live with running costs....
@@Lemma01 I can feel your pain when it comes to maintenance...had a 355 for 10 years before the 456! Call that a 'training course'...Having said that, I bought the 355 in 2011 for £35K and sold it for £75K. No skill involved with that, just pure luck! Turned out to be the cheapest car I've ever owned and made up to a small degree some of the complete woofers I've had in the past....cheers from sunny Otford, Kent, UK.
@@johnnysmith863 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing! That's how I made 10 million quid on the stock market last year. NOT! I have a sneaky feeling that the 456 is a bit of a 'sleeper' in the Ferrari back catalogue currently and when (if!) the penny drops on how rare they actually are they might start to appreciate a bit (or a lot hopefully). Only 139 rhd examples of my particular model were sold in the UK for instance. Fingers crossed! Might be a good time to find a nice one, maybe. Who knows.
I am inclined to agree with you. The 456 also looks significantly more beautiful than the 550/575.
As the old Pirelli adverts used to say:
“Power is nothing without control”
Driving Ferraris are about poise and balance whilst listening to a glorious soundtrack. Mercedes are about comfort and style, elegance with a bit of performance and rock solid build quality to boot. The two might be similarly priced but their characters are completely different. The Merc might win the numbers war but that doesn’t tell you the full story, it’s a very heavy car with a chassis that was developed for cruising along the boulevards of Southern Europe or California, not crossing vast swathes of a continent in a day.
That AMG v12 was originally built for Pagani if I’m not mistaken and then retrofitted to the SL chassis. It’s power and torque are so immense that AMG had to build so many systems to keep the car in check that it ruins the driving experience. The traction control system is so obtrusive that it spoils the fun. Think of it like a gobshite DJ who insists on talking over your favourite song on the radio and you get the picture.
The Ferrari is a more resolved coherent car, having enough power to have the experience without the need to reign it all back in. With the upgrade from the 550 they had a choice in which way to go. Can’t do the same so it’s either got to be a more comfy relaxed cruiser or a more sporty/racier version. Remember these were the halcyon days of Schumacher winning everything in sight for the scuderia, so they probably wanted to capitalise in that sentiment and improve the heritage. Correct choice IMHO as you can always change the ride to softer springs/tyres/dampers if it’s really an issue.
Thanks again for another great vid and can’t wait for the next instalment of the influenzo. 😃
Thanks for watching Abu!! Influenzo vid coming friday!
hahahahaha "Think of it like a gobshite DJ who insists on talking over your favourite song on the radio"... best non-car metaphor I've ever heard! haha. Awesome Abu 🤟
The Merc V12 was never built for Pagani. The first V12 Pagani used was a platform that was a decade old when they first started. When they later debuted the Huayra the bi turbo V12, again the engine platform had been in use for a long time.
That noise is awesome. You’d never get bored of it.
That Ferrari’s exhaust noise is impressive. Every time you revved the engine on your drive, my home alarm went off. Granted I was listening to the video on high volume, but that has never happened before to my alarm in any of your videos. I can only imagine what the car sounds like in person. Wow! Nicely done.
😄😄😄😄😄 thanks Rick!
I make those noises even using my lawnmower.
brrRrrrrRRRRrrRRRR (magic) BRRrrrRRRRRRRRhhh
(magic)erRRRRRRRRRRRR
All front engined V12 Ferrari's look so much better in darker Metallic colours. Ideal spec would probably be TdF Blue with either Cuoio Beige Leather or Crema leather interior..👍👍
Highly agree!
The exhaust note of that V12 is sooo sweet.... hard to beat!
The 575 is one of the best looking Ferraris in my eyes, I absolutely love it , and the sound of that big V12 is just amazing! 😍
Cheers fella, hope you’re keeping well!!
Ferrari's answer to the question no one asked? An odd middle ground.
Still love it though! Thanks Jack!
Your enthusiasm on all cars is infectious!...always looking for the positives 👍
Thank you Jeffrey!
Jack. Excellent video. Informative and really well filmed and edited. Got run over by a 565 in Zurich a few years back.. Still like them
Ha! Cheers Nigel!
Thank you Jack. As a full time musician that loves cars, but probably will never be able to afford one of these, i really love your videos.. I get to live vicariously through your musings lol. And if I have a hit song on the radio one day, and CAN go out and buy my dream car, I'll know exactly what I want, and all the pitfalls lol 🙏
Great video, imagine having an Atom in the garage and this as well 🤔
Really enjoying these car reviews, particularly because they are new to me. To be honest I don’t know the Ferrari models like you do, so your commentary is interesting. Good show!
Jack, no worries! Its almost impossible for a normal human to resist to a Ferrari V12 engine. Its something that gets in your blood :)
It would be interesting to have you compare it to a 550.
The suspension problem on early 575’s was cured with the Fiorano Handling Pack. However there were a number of updates to the suspension and steering ECU’s along with the gearbox software to a degree that a later cars without FHP but with ECU upgrades behaved very similar to an early car with FHP. There is a lot of misinformation on line about this. There are also specific assembly numbers at which the updates take place. You’re driving quite a late car here a 2004 which is going to have all the early suspension problems cured, it’s why it felt so good to drive. I have driven a manual one of these, (I’m also an SL owner) and it’s a different experience altogether, it is simply a beautiful experience and feels like a different car. I adore the Maranellos, both 550 and 575. I’m actively looking for one. Currently 4 on collecting cars, one just went live, 3 pending.
the 456 was the return to front engined V12 GT's
Odd title to this review! Having owned a 550 and 575, I'll take the 575 any day. In fact, after 14 years I still have the 575. Not a proper GT??? Its the embodiment of a GT. It's taken us to Monaco, Prague, Spa, and Croatia in perfect comfort, and the wife will agree....which, I'm sure you can appreciate is important! The 575 interior is a marked improvement over the 550.
As far as handling goes, all but a handful had the Fiorano handling pack as standard, and most of the early cars have had it retro fitted, which is not difficult. I've never seen a car without it.
it was actually only 23 years from the end of Daytona production to when the 550 came out, but that was still a long time! You say you wonder why someone would buy a 575 compared to the SL, and answer your own question within 10 seconds of turning the key; love it!
The 575 first came out the way it did precisely for the reasons you discuss. The American market in particular had been asking for their big Ferraris to be a bit more comfy, a bit more like the SL. The result was a boulevardier that was actually neither as soft as the Merc nor as fun as the 550, and few people were happy. Hence the backlash and the HGTC pack and then the Modificata you have there.
If you don't mind me saying, the racing driver in me says you should jack the backrest up a bit; you'll get better control on the wheel with a bit more of a bend in the arms.
The reason why we as Ferrari owners do not want our Ferrari V12 GT to feel like a very soft GT is simple. It's boring. We don't want a car that could be mistaken for a Mercedes. We want a Ferrari that inherently feels like a Ferrari with its motorsports pedigree. Even way back when, a 250 GTE was sporty for its time. There's a difference between just being compromised and being focused. An 812 Superfast is not very compromised, but it is somewhat focused. That is what makes it special and that's what the 575 lacked. The day when you might as well just go ahead and buy a Mercedes, that's the day Ferrari has lost the plot.
I would also like to stress that you have to consider what was the equivalent V8 Ferrari at the time. Those cars were totally different, and thus there was a space for the sporty V12. It was still far from the V8 355, 360 and F430.
At the end of the day you will want your Ferrari V12 to feel like a Supercar, not the SL which has a rather "beige" demographic. The SL is a nice car in the same way the Wickers wife is nice. Dependable, polite and reliable, but utterly dull and dreary to spend time with.
I agree with you re: the 575M. My brother, who lives in the US southwest, has one and I’ve driven it a couple of times. Around town and on most inter-city interstate highways it’s not much fun, ride is way stiff and it becomes tiresome. But get it out on an open, back country road and it’s transformed to a beautiful drivers car. Problem is there aren’t that many places where you can find those roads without traffic or other (legal) limitations. Great 2 part series though. Thanks!
I love your channel mate. 575 is very 'American', reminds me of the Corvette so I can see people might not have liked it possibly cheapening the name.
Charles Kos...can't cheapen the name more than being the most unreliable cars on planet earth. Like most Italian products beautiful to look at..... but a very different story underneath.👍🇬🇧
the ferrari anytime of the day, all day everyday...😂, the merc is a hooptie at this age..
I couldn't agree more! Even though I have no idea what a 'hooptie' is!
I think the 575M in black looks awesome 😎! It looks like if you pull out or cut up the owner that you may well wake up with a horses head in your bed 😂. Great video Jack 👍
Thank you Ryan, take care buddy!
@@Number27 You too Jack.
Thought the 550 was a bit boring and the 575 improved it especially with the handling pack
Great review Jack - It does have a lot of similarity's with the Maserati Gransport
Glorious sound, great video.
I soiled my armour I was so excited.
Thank you buddy!!
In the end, i prefer the 550.
Design is purer to my eyes, and like you say, more gt less radical
The car looks and sounds Fabulous, and comfortable and practical too. If I could afford one I would check the exhaust purred rather than droned at steady crusing speeds before parting with my cash.
Really enjoyed the video. Thank you. How good soes that Ferrari sound under acceleration? WOW!!!!
All that power is just bragging rights. As a tourer it's silly.
Having owned a 550 for 6 years they are very muted on the standard exhaust and really need an exhaust to bring out some of that lovely V12 goodness - running costs (excluding fuel) only £1 per mile from new...
Running costs not bad.. how long did you have it for? and thanks for being a subscriber!!
Yeah, I can confirm you definitely need to update your exhaust. I’m very happy with the Fuchs system I have… running costs are about that too
The obvious comparison when talking ”bad” facelifts would be the 550. Will you drive one or have you already?
Having owned a Maserati GranSport (MC Victory version) I can say that the handling/control issue was sorted by upgrading the anti-sway/roll bar. The gearbox is as you say better in the 575 (a friend's 575 SuperAmerica proved that for me). But the difference in acquisition price is eye watering. Also the clutch replacement cost is pretty hefty on the F1 gearboxes, and needs to be budgeted for, far more frequently than the air suspension issues and roof hydraulics for the SL65, or the SL55, which itself is really far more than adequate, and has better handling.
Interesting perspective. Good to watch!
I live with the 550 on roads that one could say are best suited to a pure sports car, and yet the 550 handles it amazingly well. I also have a 328 too and we both know they’re not a barn burner in terms of performance, but both cars are very well at home on our tight twisty Mtn roads. You definitely appreciate the ride position and comfort of the 550 on any longer drive vs the 328 with its typically old school Italian driving position..
I think you can totally be happy with the 550 as both..
I can’t imagine having a harder ride here from the 575 M however. I think that would be overkill here..
Bottom line, I think the 550 makes a lot of sense as GT or GT Sports car of sorts. Wouldn’t change anything..
Cheers
#Jcr_cars
Great review...watched the Merc...it was so antiseptic...the Ferrari has you laughing out loud with pleasure. And it says as much about you as about the Ferrari. You will never be happy in a car that you can't chuck around. I'm enjoying these videos where you drive other cars. Keep them coming.
That s-curve looks suspiciously similar to the Harry Metcalfe ‘favourite bit of road’
Will take a manual 550 over 575M any day
I used to have…. One of those Becker car stereos in my Land Rover !!😂😂😂
there you go mate.. you've owned a bit of Ferrari!
@@Number27 yeah but not the best but…🙁
I’d love one
Amazing classy cars these
Love the 550M & 575M but would only consider a manual.
Good vid Jack.
I never get tired of driving my 575M.. whether it's around town or on a spirited drive. The V12 is so responsive, the ride is excellent ( mines got a larger diameter sway bay) and it's such a great looking car. It's way better than my 355GTS was. Not sure if that exhaust on the car you drive was standard though. 🤔 a bit too boomy for me. You said the later cars had 25 extra 🐎. I thought only the SA version got that, maybe the HGTC. was this car an HGTC? It has the yellow rev counter but not the carbon bucket seats? Any idea?
You should do a Ferrari road trip video with JayEmm and Ratarossa. That would be fun, you'd be the """James May""" out of the three of you!
There's not just looks and design (my other posting) which are drawing me towards older cars (let's say late 1950s to early 1980s). I personally would miss the clutch pedal dreadfully. Plus/minus knobs? No way! What about my double-clutch/intermediate throttle technique which I took to perfection and which I am using about half the time?! It's so much fun to apply the right amount of intermediate throttle and the lower gear engaging like butter without any synchromesh needed. And I like the purely mechanical stuff. You can feel the torque on the shift lever. And the sound of the gearbox (the sound of the rotating gears and shafts). I think you could easily guess my opinion towards electric cars. And I am not ignorant towards the needs of countering the warming up of the atmosphere. But a drive in an electric car could never be a joyride for me (A drive in that Ferrari could be but a lot less than in a Ferrari with a classic manual gear shift.) So if my historic car is phased out be law or if I should decide to not emit any more carbondioxide into the air I will simply stop driving cars and will just use bicycles or trains. A lot of people really need cars to travel from A to B (like in rural areas). I don't and I drive for pleasure and the fun of it. So I chose the car that pleases me most when making a trip.
You forgot to mention the "questionable" Ferrari reliability... 😀
No contest in my book. The Merc all day, every day, and you're right, there are a few different SL models (350, 500 + AMGs) that can deliver on all road levels, without the complexity and cost of the V12 twin turbo.
Head says MB...............heart says Ferrari. Listen to heart, aways...................but only always in regards to stuff with engines.
Well done youtube captions @4:15 - car engine starts, captions: [Applause]
I have owned a manual 550M since 2011 and I always have a big smile whenever I am driving it. I will never sell it. I also own a 308GTSi QV and I like it but it is not the same kind of car.
Jack, I’m almost surprised that you haven’t yet met Harry Metcalfe. He’s only over near Burford.
I would have this car for the looks alone…Pininfarina at its absolute best!
Great video, on both the Merc and the 575M. The Ferrari wins hands down for me, it's a much prettier car and anyway who needs 1000Nm of torque when you can't let it all go at once!
Obviously if a roadster is mandatory then the only choice is the SL65. R230 may be the finest convertible experience extant with it's glass roof and power roll bar. Something the Ferrari can never be, so SL65 for me.
A very useable beauty 🏁👍👏
One thousandth of a millimetre, oops!
Not usually a fan but Best looking Ferrari ive seen
One day, you'll meet Harry coming the other way on that road...
the car that came after this, the 599gtb, is one of my all time favorite cars
Jack I like how you always speak the truth.
Your a natural with the vlogs....keep them coming mate 👌🙂
The 575 GTC was insane. People moaned about the revision but then they offered this super expensive handling pack (I think it was like £20k) and it was really impressive. You either had the 575 or you had the Vanquish and the Vanquish had a terrible dimwitted robot gearbox. So you bought the Ferrari. Now I think I would have a Vanquish S, but with the (also expensive) manual conversion you can get now. The body of a supermodel and 20 years later the Ian Callum styled looks are proving to age like fine wine. Whereas the 575 looks kinda....ehhhh. Alright I guess.
So it does what it set out to do very well. So the real question is if that is what the buyer wants
Its double the price of the Merc for a reason....I wouldn't trade it for three Mercs.
Thanks for watching Howard!!
i wish the FF has the 575 bonnet
I think that question has been answered by the 599, F12 and 812. You can have it all. Technology has made it possible to have a car be a GT one minute and a complete nutter mobile the next.
Yes thats very true! and thanks for being a subscriber Rohan!!
I suppose you could argue that any car with more than, say, 200HP is an irrelevance on todays roads. That's not really the point though, is it?
One day you'll definitely meet Harry Metcalfe coming the other way. Probably be in some other irrelevant car. Hope so anyway. That's why us mere mortals watch you guys.
Future classic !
For me, 550 maranello/575m is most handsome ferrari ever. True gentilman car. My first love was ferrari f50 but it is impossible to havr. 550 maranello is around 500k aed around 135k usd and 575m is around 375k aed / 95k usd in dubai
benz resale value vs Ferrari resale value is just so different...you will be crazy to to buy the benz unless you daily drive it. And the exhaust...that music alone is worth it. forget electric...we don't need a quiet electric ferrari.
Thank for watching Andrew!!
A Mercedes can not compete with a Ferrari when it comes to style, pleasure and emotion.
the 550 and 575 needs a tiny rear set to allow for kids
The difference between a butcher knife and a scalpel.
We can only hope Ferrari will be back with a hydrogen ICE V12.
That would be quite seomething!!
I thought the knock on the 575 was they’d softened it, which begat the Fiorano package to restore it to the 550’s chassis performance levels?
Yes that’s right… this one has the Fiorano package
Even the GT1 racing version of the 550 looked much be than the 575´s...
Great review, love the sound of the V12!
Side note, just reading through the comments. Lots of nice positive comments, but there are some other comments by right cock wombles who need to troll other lesser channels.
Keep up the great work Jack.
The yellow bits on the 575M ruin it for me. On a mostly sedate car the yellow calipers, yellow tach, and yellow seatbelts are like zits on a pretty face. The pops and burbles from the exhaust on decel and downshifts also seem out of place for a modern GT - such nonsense is fun when your 18-22 years old, but as you mature you find such stuff irritating.
Everything what is original is better except some early issues eventually being removed 👍
thanks for watching Kiri!
daft question... is that road your on the same as what harry metcalf uses for his reviews?
Harry Metcalf uses the Charlbury road, between Charlbury and either Burford or Shipton-Under-Wychwood. Cracking bit of road honestly and well know in the area to be the best bit of road for miles.
Most likely that Harry takes it from Burford, as he lives what looks to be just south of Burford.
Edit: Just watched the rest of the video and it's the same road.
Yes, I live in the same area! thanks for watching Mal
How good does it look in black?! Phwoar!
Why did you not like the Gransport as much? The gear shift seems equally slow, and while the steering perhaps has more feedback here, is that it? Perhaps you should try driving the Gransport again, it might be that as you say, you just don't quite see the point of this type of car and at the time you had the Gransport, might have been more focussed on sports cars (911). You might find you like it more now
Don't drive a 812 Super fast then if this gives you a quandary. That beast most certainly will do but with an extra 260 bhp..🤣🤣
Hi Jack Hope your well,
My favourite channels are as follows -
Tyrrell's classic,
Rattarossa,
No 27 (you)
Jay Leno's,
Harry's Garage.
So your in good top 5 of the channels I really enjoy. Do you think you could link up with Shmee150 at his new Shmusium ? I know he wants exposure for his Shmusium Ch and it would be healthy for your Ch ?? Too
Paul ...
Hey thanks Paul! Schmee (Tim) is by all accounts a lowly guy but not sure he’d be interested in doing anything with me. I’m a much smaller channel!
@@Number27 Well Jack you never know until you try, he is very approachable by all accounts, And I'm sure he would have great respect for what you do as they all started somewhere ?? I know he is up for collaboration to promote new Shmusium Ch,
Thanks for your work it is a great contribution to the car community.. (:
Newton Meters?
👍
If it comes to looks there's always a lot of subjectivity to it. (But not entirely. There are cars with designs which are horrendously ugly.) I guess Ferrari was always comfortably in the "pretty looking" region. No wonder, Italians have a tremendous taste and feeling for beauty. What's up to me I like the older designs much more. Jack's InfluEnzo is one of just a handful of cars with eternal beauty for me. The other Ferrari being Its direct predecessor, the Dino 246 GT/GTS, which was famously driven by Toni Curtis in "The Persuaders" alongside Sir Roger Moore's Aston Martin DBS. Aldo Brovarone did an amazing job on the drawboard.
The 550 was a very boring looking GT car, reminiscent of something that (shudder) GM would produce in that era. It lacked distinction. The 575 facelift was definitely a step toward exaggerated Italian styling. The only thing that really takes away from its looks are the odd extraneous detail lines in the wheels, and the fact that they left the rear end still without much detail. A cleaner multispoke Hockenheim BBS or HRE 540 design makes it look proper for a product of its time period. It does look dated though. The Mercedes AMG in comparison is timeless in its execution; it could be a modern 2021 model.
These are how much? 🤔
About 70-80K for a good one!
Easy i take the 575 over the AMG
thanks for watching MS!
Weres da m6 v10 uncle?
I would take a CL65 AMG over that SL..
This cars are GTs only when there is not lot of snow and ice. Merc AMG 65 is undrivable in snow conditions, I know this from my experience and I am sure its same with Ferrari 550.
yes..not ideal for those conditions for sure!
Its never about the numbers, but this is what most customers get wrong, and the manufacturers try to compete in that way.
Very true! thanks for watching!
@@Number27 Cheers, mate. Verry enjoying your content.
Front engined Ferrari's always look better in any colour but red in my opinion
”Harry’s road”?
The owners of my local Ferrari centers drive the later Gt ferraris as daily’s
Not sure the model name
thanks for watching Helen!!
@@Number27 it’s Len lol hi2 Len but you can call me Helen at the weekend💋
The comparison between the Ferrari 550 and a Mercedes SL65 (AMG or not) is no real one for me. The Ferrari looks way better and prettier than any Mercedes currently sold. As I mentioned in another postig I highly prefer 1960s to early 1980s cars over nowadays cars. Even with Ferrari but Ferrari is still on solid beautiful design ground. Especially compared to other cars. The comparison between nowadays Ferraris and older ones still produces relatively gentle results. With other brands the comparison between their current cars and the older ones produces catastrophic results. Take a 1975-1978 Jaguar XJ 2nd Series Coupé (XJ-C) in its eternal beauty and a current XE or XF on the other hand. Not to even mention a Jag Pace. Or the Aston Martins of the 60s and 70s (DB-4 to DB-6, DBS, V8) besides a current AM. Just horrifying. The Italians are even more ahead with their design than they were 40 years ago.
Thank you for using the correct term of "foot-pounds" to describe torque numbers.
I'm so sick of hearing "pounds feet"
Keep up the good work 27...I like your videos.
ps.That blue 550 looked fantastic :)
Thank you GM!!
Oh Jack it is the classic "head vs heart" decision. So its the MB, as you don't have to try to drive it with a lead foot all the time - then it is quite civilised for a European trip.
That Merc really is an awesome tool..