6.5 PRC H1000 DO-OVER
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- In this video, I take another jab at H1000 powder and 153gr A-Tips. I loaded it exactly the same EXCEPT for the seating depth. In my previous videos on this series, I was trying to go off of how far from the lands would give me the best groups. I never did get anything that was spectacular.
This time around, I went off of the seating depth listed in the reloading manual.
Check out my results. Thanks for watching!
0:00 Intro
2:32 56.9gr H1000
3:30 57.0gr H1000
4:20 57.1gr H1000
5:14 57.2gr H1000
6:20 Final Results Overview - Zábava
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate it.
Thanks for watching!
A couple of folks mentioned losing the bipod and I tend to agree. My suspicion is that the bipod, akin to a lead sled, produces a micro jump on the rifle enough to affect accuracy. Hard to say if it’s significant or just a suspicion. I have both lead sled and bags and have switched to the bags to eliminate that issue…just in case.
I have gotten rid of the bipod. I have a new setup that I have been practicing with and getting used to. There will be a video coming out on that soon!
Well done. I'm just starting to load with my new PRC but have been handloading for many years now. I have always found my best accuracy (.25 to .50 MOA) at between .015 and .020 off the lands with many of my other standard cartridges (22-250, .243, .308, 6.5 CRDM, 25-06, etc.). I can also see where a long "jump" can also provide good results in cases where I have a long throated rifle (Tikka or Wby.) or in cases where I am limited to mag length. I'm going to start my PRC at .020 off and see what happens, loading check charges down low and focus on the mid-high range of the published charge weights. I plan on testing with a 130 grain Sierra Tipped Gamechanger and a 143 ELD-X. I have H1000, H4350 and IMR 4350 to work with and I'll see how it goes. If my new Tikka shoots anything like the other T3X I have, it won't take me long to get the PRC driving tacks! Cheers!
Good luck to ya. I hope that you get the results that you are looking for. Just watch out for that carbon ring. With 6.5 PRC it comes up quick.
Thanks for the tip. @@mattsreloadingbench
I watched the video you were testing Staball HD and 153 A-Tips. You've saved some money. I get about 100fps faster with 153 Berger in front of 55.6grs of VV N565 and about 1/2-3/4 MOA. However, I like all your videos, keep shooting.
Thanks for watching!
@@mattsreloadingbench Do you plan to try any Vihtavuori powders? Also, in Staball HD, is it a double-base powder?
@@ironworkerlarry9223 I could certainly do some testing with VV Powders. What powder do you have in mind?
Also, StaBALL HD is a double base powder ball powder. Hodgdon claims that it is temperature "INSENSITIVE" and I would have to agree. I developed my loads in 30 to 50 degree climates and shot the mile in 90 degrees and there was almost no change in muzzle velocities and I was very impressed!
I'm a long time reloader but new to your channel. I have had much better luck varying seating depth to improve groups than powder charges. Finding a 'sweet spot' that would give good groups has meant altering depths as little as .010" per trial load. Wider spreads have meant possibly skipping over the best depth. I was really intrigued by your listing of the bullet jump for many factory loads and the fact they were all over the map. Do the factories test for best depths on their loads? I'm skeptical of accepting their retail loadings unless they do.
To be honest, I have no idea. But, factory loads are optimized so that they can be used in most magazines and not have feeding issues even in semi automatic action rifles too. Almost every hand loader that shoots for long distance does not care if it fits in a magazine because they drop the round in to the action and rack the bolt forward. Factory rounds stay away from hot loads too due to liability.
There are more factors involved, but I do not know what the guidelines are that they follow to keep everything "safe".
And thanks for watching!
Yep, almost all factory ammo is set to a safe depth to accommodate the shortest chambers , not an optimal depth.
H1000 is ADI2217 and I find you get pressure signs fairly early, found that VHT N565 is the best powder
Alot of the issue was with the rifle itself. I ended up getting rid of it
My Tikka load is 58.3 gr Retumbo @ 2.96 OAL, 140 gr ELDM .41” 3 shot group 2,903 fps with 24” tube.
Very nice!
Still learning about reloading. I assume every rifle is going to be different? Just bought some H1000 to try out for my 6.5 PRC
Yes, you are correct. Every barrel and every action can be different. I cant stress enough that everyone should do their own load development. Now, that being said, my content can give you a guideline of how to go about it and in the end, your results may be similar or they may be completely different.
Different rifles/actions/barrels might like different powders or powder charges. I always start my development by looking at published data, then backing off of the max charge by about 2 grains of powder and I will work my way up to find which powder charge will give me the best ES and SD. Then I go from there to seating depth testing.
Bergara 6.5 PRC 24 in. 156 Gn Berger ,lapua brass , R-26 at 100 yards .315 group
I wish I could get my hands on some RL26!
Barnes recommends an AOL ar 2.865 but I found that the LRX likes the jump.
Every bullet is different
Barnes in general like .50 jump
I reloaded 58.0 grains oh H1000 and used Barnes LRX 127 grain bullets and Federal 210 primers and set at AOL of 2.850 and shot .375" group out of my Weatherby vanguard first light. I could not get the ELDX to group.
Very nice!
Good to see you eliminated most of the bipod hopping. It can only help improve your groups.
Thanks for watching!
My 24 inch 6.5 PRC gets 2800fps from 57.3 grains of H1000 with Rem 9.5's and 143gr ELD-X.
That's respectable
Interesting, today,with the same barrel length,cartridge and powder, using 140 grain Speer Impacts,54.5 grains recorded 2807 f.p.s. average velocity. No signs of pressure, 19 degrees. I guess I have a fast barrel.
@@lenniephillips9747 well, I had alot of issues with that rifle. I ended up getting rid of my original Christensen MPR and got a Seekins Havak HIT and I saw a world of difference. Way better shooting.
So at the end, even with this improvement, the loads with the retumbo produced better groups?
Yes. The Retumbo powder performed better. Both in group sizes and in ES and SD.
I will be doing a follow up to Retumbo soon.
Thanks for watching!
@@mattsreloadingbench Thanks Matt.
Mine 645 PRC accuracy, came in between 58 and 59 Grain of Retumbo
Nice!
I found N565 to be better than Retumbo and H1000. 57.5 N565 153.5 Berger Lapua brass and 2.953 OAL SD of 13 and 3020 velocity. .310 moa in my rifle.
I have been trying to get my hands on some N565 for quite a long time now.
@@mattsreloadingbench mile high shooting accessories
@@mattsreloadingbench you’re right looks like no one has it right now sorry
No worries. It will show up at some point.
147 ELD-M with 59.5gr N565 getting 3,000/fps
my 6,5 Prc's have been consistently the best with the Retumbo
I will be looking at Retumbo again. Trying some new bullets and I can't wait to see what they can do.
Try reloader 25 56.5 or 57 gr with the berger 156 EOL.
This rifle is no more. I have a new 6.5 prc. There will be videos in the future. The MPR was just not comfortable for me. There were alot of issues that I could not overcome. It pounded the piss out of my brass. The bolt was so frigging hard to cam up after firing. There were EXCESSIVE pressure signs in the brass and zero consistency. The group sizes became more eratic the more I fired the rifle. I got rid of it and now I am getting very excited to showcase my new Seekins Precision Havak HIT. This thing is a tack driver like I had hoped for with the Christensen Arms. I am sad to say the the Christensen Arms was nothing more than a pig with lipstick. Maybe I had a lemon, but it definitely left a sour taste in my mouth.
@Matt's Reloading Bench have have one of the mesa long range 6.5 prc and it shoots great. I have heard the Christians can be 50/50 guns. I am thinking about a seekins havok oh2 though chambered in 300 prc for the next gun.
Heck yeah! I am now a fan of Seekins.
@deanmorris6679 I too have head mixes reviews on Christensen arms. I've got a mesa as well that shoots great. Love the 6.5 prc caliber. 👍
Man! I started with RL25 and std primers. Started pulling the bullet out from .050 to.037. It got better and better. Problem is I dont know if it was from jump or load density going down... soft as a Creedmoor now.
I am going to be doing some new load testing with rl25 and 150gr matchkings. I am really looking forward to it.
Thanks for watching!
@@mattsreloadingbench Nooo! RL25 under 140/142 grain bullets worked well loaded soft, 2900 fps. I guess RL26 or Retumbo under 150 grain. Maybe 2950 you tell me!
Well, according to the Sierra loading manual, RL25 will give me about 2800 at top end of the charge range list. I will also be testing Retumbo as well.
@@mattsreloadingbench with 150-153 gr. I hinda feel if you cant get ATip going 2890 there is no point with a bullet that heavy as it will never catch up to a middle weight. Maybe with 4inches more barrel it would, maybe?
@@dragonflyfab9703 that's fine. I am not looking for top speed. I am looking for the best accuracy at long distances. If I can hit a target at a mile away and be able to do it repeatedly, that is what I care about in the end.
What weight bullet are you shooting. You should tell chare and bullet weight with every group
It is 153gr Hornady A-Tips
With that case powder capacity going up by .1 Grain changes nothing
Well, there were some fluctuations
I don’t know why you WOULDN’T do your own seating depth test..
I was trying something different. I had alot of struggles with this rifle. I actually ended up getting rid of it in the end.
Havnt seen any H 1 k in like 3-5 years same w varget. One place had some come in at 60$ a pound. No thanks
I have seen it a few times in the last year. Once you see it, better get it because it will be gone that day!
Loose the bi pod and bag the rifle
I will keep that in mind.
@@mattsreloadingbench I'd say upgrade the bipod
I actually got rid of the rifle. It just did not perform how I expected it to. I got a new rifle and went heavy instead of light.
My Tikka ember 6.5 prc likes the 156 at ten .010 off lands
Every rifle is different. Although I have not tried the 156s