Next time you chat with them you should ask what it would take to keep a video from starting there in the first place ? There stupidity astounds me. But guess I'm just as bad as I haven't got a Rumble account yet
HalfMilesniper, I had an old German Gunsmith teach me a method that makes load development with a barrel that is about idiot proof. First, most accuracy loads are within 2.5g of max load for the rifle, and His method has proved True over the past 30 years. So, with this 6.5 PRC, he would fire one shot and one shot only, while increasing the powder charge .5g at a time. As you fire, stand the hull up on its case mouth where you can monitor case head condition. It is nice to chronograph the rounds as you work up but is not necessary. As pressure increases with .5g increasing shots, you will see where the case head lettering will start to flatten, the edges will go from round to starting to get square, then at max pressure, you may see some case head swipe or ejector pin indention on the case head. Then you will find difficult to lift the bolt after firing, in which case you are over Max pressure. So, now you have found the max load for that barrel with the particular components you are using. So, back off 2.5g from the max load and start shooting three shot groups. You will be amazed how this method works in every barrel you shoot. Seating depth should be close to the lands or max Mag length, then change primers. Typically, you find a load that shoots 3/8" and smaller groups Best wishes
That is a great method for the experienced loader, but we have to remember not everyone has experience or the ability to read ejector swipes and case smears. With that said it is best to take the slow approach for the audience who may be just starting out loading or even shooting. Now, the next rifle I do...not sure when or what caliber, I might just give the shortcut method some video time. The old way of doing things definitely takes a toll on barrel life though, that is certain. I appreciate the input, thanks for watching.
The old German that taught me that method was Head of R&D, head engineer for AMT, remember them? The owner of AMT died, Harry, and my friend Joe Wagner lost his job there.@@Halfmilesniper
Don't take this the wrong way, but this comment leaves me with questions. The video hasn't been published yet and is under review...hmmm. Thanks for watching through my videos though, I really appreciate you watching and subbing. Thanks!
@Halfmilesniper It popped up as available 10 hours ago and I was the first to watch. You had a pretty big spread with the Hodgdon and forgot to clear the shot string
@@finalaccuracy7695 very interesting as this was only uploaded this morning and not published, it was immediately demonetized and submitted for review. Curious CZcams glitch I guess...you will definitely remain the first to view...heck, you viewed before the reviewers viewed, LOL!
@@finalaccuracy7695 wow, very strange. I will have to test that in the future...Maybe when the sit "unpublished" but included in a playlist they are visible. And here I thought I finally wore down a YT reviewer, LOL. I did get a couple more PRC videos in the can today...lots of editing to do.
While I agree, it also shows someone what I good scope it is being given away. I tried getting some scope cam footage but the range was dark (weather) and I couldn't get it focused well. That'll be in a video soon.
That rifle and cartridge combo appears to be an excellent platform. It will be fun to see where this load development goes. Getting up to 2900fps may require some larger increments, you will burn up a lot of powder with small increments, not to mention fuel for the drive to the range. Nice workup so far.
@@Halfmilesniper 60.0 IMR4831 with 150s has served me well. 2935-2965 depending on bullet. But always sub-moa. If late I have branched out on various bullet weights and powders. Thanks
@Guardian Minifarm I'll keep that in mind. I was loading 180s for my son IIRC and I don't recall the velocity right now but they were hard recoiling and hard on the brass. I might need to go lighter.
My Dad always ran IMR 4831 in his 722 Remington 257 Roberts. His load was 100 grain spitzers with 47 grains "way back" in the 60's. A few years ago I was looking to load up for my wife's Roberts and saw it was listed as a +P load. Dad was ahead of his time! Never used a chronograph but Dad read they were 2900 FPS.
Wow interesting and awesome to see someone delving into what I think is finding a load to match the weapon. So so many aspects to this that most people don't really understand. If you go buy 2 identical rifles but made at different times they have different loads to get them to work and just because your load works where you live if you are going for LONG distances you can even have a different load some where else
Soon I will be doing some ladder tests trying to home in on good shooting loads. I will also be trying another powder that should be good for this caliber plus I am hunting for some of the other powders good for 6.5 PRC.
Thanks 👍, there will be another lucky drawing winner for this scope...once I decide what scope I am going to run on this rifle. This PFI is going great though that is for sure.
Pretty much what was rattling around in my head, lol. I was expecting a little more zoom and didn't get it. At least the speed does come on once we get close to the max load.
The IMR4831 is looking good so far...very interesting how cool the brass is right out of the chamber. I will be doing more testing with the H4831 as a sample of 5 shots doesn't tell us much...enough to know it takes more powder to get a similar velocity. I am curious if the H4831 will have cool brass too?
Great shooting buddy I’m impressed I knew you could do it. I use a lot of IMR powders 30-31 is my favorite in my 30-06 loads using 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tips now. I’ll learn you how to shoot one of these days. I got to get out here and do some shooting. Great job and good night GOD BLESS
With a rifle shooting that sweet I would not give that scope away 😂. As Moses said "You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands" Great shooting!! Loving that rifle & caliber. With a muzzlebrake it might roar like a lion but recoil like a kittycat.🦁😸
It should shoot just as good with a different scope....I think, LOL. This is a nice scope. Muzzle brake is installed and video has been edited...stuck in YT jail at the moment. Keep an eye out for new videos, LOL
@@HalfmilesniperLooking forward to how or if muzzlebrake changes anything. Not being a know-it-all expert or a perfectionist but you might explain what loading the bipod is since there are some new shooters who don't know how. I still get in a hurry at times & don't. Then call myself a dumb burro when a shot is off 😂. Appreciate all you're teaching us. 🙏 👍 🇺🇸
@@billdye3530 Thanks for the reminder Bill. I do need to explain loading the bipod. Sometimes, when you are "familiar" with stuff you just talk about it expecting everyone to know/understand.
@@HalfmilesniperLearning from someone who does things correctly always helps us out. Of the 2 powders is one more temperature sensitive than the other or no information listed for temp. ?Curious
I am also a fan of IMR powders, use a lot of it and I use the IMR4831 to load 7 Rem Mag too, I did just get a pound of the Winchester StaBall powder to try in the 6.5 PRC.
Thank you Bob. I wasn't too sure about the grey but it has definitely grown on me...I wanted FDE but that was out of stock everywhere. The maybe I just needed to change up the color a little, LOL. The rifle sure seems like it is going to get one heck of a shooter. More coming soon.
After testing a bunch of powders I came back to H4831 and did get more velocity at higher charges. That is the subject of my most recent video from a couple days ago...you can find that one at czcams.com/video/dQcVClMiYg4/video.html Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
@@Thousand_yard_King With the range and armory being almost next door to March ARB I get to listen to all the planes. I mentioned in one video it sounded like F35's taking off and someone questioned how I could ID a plane by the engine sounds, LOL.
Finally able to actually watch the video uninterrupted beautiful shot patterns looking forward to the next shots
Once we see the first ladder test of 8 charges shooting 3 round groups it will be real interesting...once it gets out of YT Jail
Next time you chat with them you should ask what it would take to keep a video from starting there in the first place ? There stupidity astounds me.
But guess I'm just as bad as I haven't got a Rumble account yet
👍👍some really good groups and excellent shooting, thanks Halfmile.
Thank you Lance, there is more 6.5 content coming.
HalfMilesniper, I had an old German Gunsmith teach me a method that makes load development with a barrel that is about idiot proof.
First, most accuracy loads are within 2.5g of max load for the rifle, and His method has proved True over the past 30 years.
So, with this 6.5 PRC, he would fire one shot and one shot only, while increasing the powder charge .5g at a time. As you fire, stand the hull up on its case mouth where you can monitor case head condition.
It is nice to chronograph the rounds as you work up but is not necessary. As pressure increases with .5g increasing shots, you will see where the case head lettering will start to flatten, the edges will go from round to starting to get square, then at max pressure, you may see some case head swipe or ejector pin indention on the case head. Then you will find difficult to lift the bolt after firing, in which case you are over Max pressure.
So, now you have found the max load for that barrel with the particular components you are using.
So, back off 2.5g from the max load and start shooting three shot groups.
You will be amazed how this method works in every barrel you shoot.
Seating depth should be close to the lands or max Mag length, then change primers.
Typically, you find a load that shoots 3/8" and smaller groups
Best wishes
That is a great method for the experienced loader, but we have to remember not everyone has experience or the ability to read ejector swipes and case smears. With that said it is best to take the slow approach for the audience who may be just starting out loading or even shooting. Now, the next rifle I do...not sure when or what caliber, I might just give the shortcut method some video time. The old way of doing things definitely takes a toll on barrel life though, that is certain.
I appreciate the input, thanks for watching.
The old German that taught me that method was Head of R&D, head engineer for AMT, remember them? The owner of AMT died, Harry, and my friend Joe Wagner lost his job there.@@Halfmilesniper
@@sylviacandler5541 Sure do remember AMT...I have a video of an AMT II .22 Mag...
I am having a blast binge watching your videos
Don't take this the wrong way, but this comment leaves me with questions. The video hasn't been published yet and is under review...hmmm.
Thanks for watching through my videos though, I really appreciate you watching and subbing. Thanks!
@Halfmilesniper It popped up as available 10 hours ago and I was the first to watch. You had a pretty big spread with the Hodgdon and forgot to clear the shot string
@@finalaccuracy7695 very interesting as this was only uploaded this morning and not published, it was immediately demonetized and submitted for review. Curious CZcams glitch I guess...you will definitely remain the first to view...heck, you viewed before the reviewers viewed, LOL!
@Halfmilesniper It is weird, though. It doesn't show up under your videos, but it does show up as your last video for the 6.5 PRC playlist.
@@finalaccuracy7695 wow, very strange. I will have to test that in the future...Maybe when the sit "unpublished" but included in a playlist they are visible. And here I thought I finally wore down a YT reviewer, LOL. I did get a couple more PRC videos in the can today...lots of editing to do.
That combination of rifle and scope is a sweet rig, it would be hard for me to separate the two. Those are really good groups, great shooting sir.
While I agree, it also shows someone what I good scope it is being given away. I tried getting some scope cam footage but the range was dark (weather) and I couldn't get it focused well. That'll be in a video soon.
Excellent vid. Thanks!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching
That rifle and cartridge combo appears to be an excellent platform. It will be fun to see where this load development goes. Getting up to 2900fps may require some larger increments, you will burn up a lot of powder with small increments, not to mention fuel for the drive to the range. Nice workup so far.
For my ladder I jumped at .4 gr increments, that video is still stuck in YT purgatory. I didn't feel right working in bigger increments.
h1000 best powder 58 gr. 143 eldx
2 excellent powders. In the 90s I found IMR4831 to be one of the best powders for my 7mm Rem Mag. Very consistent.
I believe I had both of the 4831s initially for the 7 Rem Mag...was happy to see it worked for 6.5 PRC too...saved me a trip to the store!
@@Halfmilesniper 60.0 IMR4831 with 150s has served me well. 2935-2965 depending on bullet. But always sub-moa. If late I have branched out on various bullet weights and powders. Thanks
@Guardian Minifarm I'll keep that in mind. I was loading 180s for my son IIRC and I don't recall the velocity right now but they were hard recoiling and hard on the brass. I might need to go lighter.
Nice shooting rifle ! And shooter did his part...all of them parts !
Thanks Charles. I can't wait to stretch this out beyond a measley 100 yards.
My Dad always ran IMR 4831 in his 722 Remington 257 Roberts. His load was 100 grain spitzers with 47 grains "way back" in the 60's. A few years ago I was looking to load up for my wife's Roberts and saw it was listed as a +P load. Dad was ahead of his time! Never used a chronograph but Dad read they were 2900 FPS.
The IMR4831 seems to be a pretty versatile powder. Hoping it keep grouping well as I work towards higher velocities.
Nice shooting and interesting results.
Thanks! We'll have some ladder tests soon.
Wow interesting and awesome to see someone delving into what I think is finding a load to match the weapon.
So so many aspects to this that most people don't really understand.
If you go buy 2 identical rifles but made at different times they have different loads to get them to work and just because your load works where you live if you are going for LONG distances you can even have a different load some where else
Soon I will be doing some ladder tests trying to home in on good shooting loads. I will also be trying another powder that should be good for this caliber plus I am hunting for some of the other powders good for 6.5 PRC.
Some nice groups, even with the low hit due to the bi pod...that scope is a terrific optic...would look really sweet on my .308!! haha
Thanks 👍, there will be another lucky drawing winner for this scope...once I decide what scope I am going to run on this rifle. This PFI is going great though that is for sure.
When you’re expecting 2700 fps and get 2475 average. “ shit did I use the wrong powder”.
Pretty much what was rattling around in my head, lol. I was expecting a little more zoom and didn't get it. At least the speed does come on once we get close to the max load.
Great video 😊
Thanks! 😊, very much appreciated Misty!
The H powder needs a 10 or 20 shot string to see if it is going to keep having the big deviations. The IMR looked pretty decent.
The IMR4831 is looking good so far...very interesting how cool the brass is right out of the chamber. I will be doing more testing with the H4831 as a sample of 5 shots doesn't tell us much...enough to know it takes more powder to get a similar velocity. I am curious if the H4831 will have cool brass too?
Dang good shooting
Thank you Bob. I am really liking this rifle, I am really pleased with how it is performing. We'll see if that continues as we increase velocity.
Great shooting buddy I’m impressed I knew you could do it. I use a lot of IMR powders 30-31 is my favorite in my 30-06 loads using 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tips now. I’ll learn you how to shoot one of these days. I got to get out here and do some shooting. Great job and good night GOD BLESS
Thanks much Randle...I'll go so far as to say it is all on the rifle, LOL.
Varget is good for that bullet weight in 30-06
Halfmile I missed your chat i didn’t get notified till it was half or more over with
That is OK Randle..we did miss you though.
I’m going to watch it anyways
I shot good groups with 51 grains of IMR 4831 and 156 grain berger. Unfortunately I don't have a chronograph lol. No pressure signs on my brass.
51.3 gr IMR4831 produced a .236" group, just under 2800 FPS. I need to do a third test with IMR4831 and see if I can get closer to 2900 FPS
@@Halfmilesniper I found my gun likes the IMR4831 better with magnum primers. I Could have just shot them better. Not sure.
cool cartridge
It is and I can't wait to see how far I can stretch it out to.
With a rifle shooting that sweet I would not give that scope away 😂. As Moses said "You'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands" Great shooting!! Loving that rifle & caliber. With a muzzlebrake it might roar like a lion but recoil like a kittycat.🦁😸
It should shoot just as good with a different scope....I think, LOL. This is a nice scope. Muzzle brake is installed and video has been edited...stuck in YT jail at the moment. Keep an eye out for new videos, LOL
@@HalfmilesniperLooking forward to how or if muzzlebrake changes anything. Not being a know-it-all expert or a perfectionist but you might explain what loading the bipod is since there are some new shooters who don't know how. I still get in a hurry at times & don't. Then call myself a dumb burro when a shot is off 😂. Appreciate all you're teaching us. 🙏 👍 🇺🇸
@@billdye3530 Thanks for the reminder Bill. I do need to explain loading the bipod. Sometimes, when you are "familiar" with stuff you just talk about it expecting everyone to know/understand.
@@HalfmilesniperLearning from someone who does things correctly always helps us out. Of the 2 powders is one more temperature sensitive than the other or no information listed for temp. ?Curious
If you could find H1000, RL26, Vihtavuori 555, you could be onto something
H1000 and RL25 or RL26 are on my watch list. I will be testing some IMR7228SSC soon too.
@@Halfmilesniper I was able to get an 8lb jug of H1000 for my 6.5 PRC
Load density must be an issue. Get near 100percent case capacity and the velocity will get stable.
I agree, and as we have worked our way up the load data velocities and groups have improved.
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Thanks Scott, I appreciate you watching.
Always found IMR powder to be much more consistent. 8208 is probably my ideal powder for ar platforms in both 556 and 30 cal. Imr4831 for 7mm rem mag.
I am also a fan of IMR powders, use a lot of it and I use the IMR4831 to load 7 Rem Mag too, I did just get a pound of the Winchester StaBall powder to try in the 6.5 PRC.
@Halfmilesniper if you can find H1000 give it a try. I had good results with it and 4831SC in the PRC.
That thing is just beautiful! Very nice shooting Half, enjoyed it so much I watched it 4 times lol. Take care.
Thank you Bob. I wasn't too sure about the grey but it has definitely grown on me...I wanted FDE but that was out of stock everywhere. The maybe I just needed to change up the color a little, LOL. The rifle sure seems like it is going to get one heck of a shooter. More coming soon.
👍👍
Thanks and thanks for watching Mr. P.
Hopefully, you can get another 3 to 400 feet per second out of it.
After testing a bunch of powders I came back to H4831 and did get more velocity at higher charges. That is the subject of my most recent video from a couple days ago...you can find that one at czcams.com/video/dQcVClMiYg4/video.html
Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it.
@Halfmilesniper yeah that was Creedmoor speed at 27 that prc should be around 3,000+
C-130 flying over..
There always seems to be some sort of military airframe making noise in the background, lol.
@@Halfmilesniper since I am an aircraft guy, I love it.. love the smell of jet fuel burning..and the scream of turbines..
@@Thousand_yard_King With the range and armory being almost next door to March ARB I get to listen to all the planes. I mentioned in one video it sounded like F35's taking off and someone questioned how I could ID a plane by the engine sounds, LOL.
@@Halfmilesniper wow, when you hear them often enough, you get to know them pretty well.
@@Thousand_yard_King I love seeing and hearing them...The F35s are so quiet coming at you, the exact opposite of the F16s, LOL
Stop using the bipod
Some guns I use a bipod, others just a front bag. I don't use, nor do I have a LeadSled. What do you suggest I use to minimize shooter input error?
@@Halfmilesniper front bag, real ba g.