just started watching from the beginning of this CZcams series and literally every episode there's always a light on he has to turn off, it's like an ongoing joke, this is great, and I'm not even in the trade. Loved the sales technique video.
Thank you very much for this video. I went out on a limb a year ago when I didn't have any PVA to hand because I figured that it was only about controlling suction. However, I'm really pleased to have someone with your experience confirm it. I was a little concerned that it would come back to haunt me later.
Loving your videos mate...Great advice and loving your laid back manner....Tried the faster plastering tips today and also using less water...basically did ths best ceiling I've ever done. THANKS!
That was my worry and the mechanics behind it I don't understand but you have put my mind at ease and I've been using sbr for a few months know on every job and I will carry on
Cracking video.... love it .... never used SBR for skimming but will definitely give it a go .... I've always used pva mix with a few drops of red food colouring so I can see where I've been with the roller... looking forward to the next video... have a cracking Xmas and New year
Great video mate, glad you did this one that literally answered all my questions regarding sbr. Iv only ever used pva like most of us spreads for past 10 years. Only used sbr on tanking/rendering jobs I was abit worried about it sealing the wall due too it being waterproof and potentially the skim delaminating blowing. Got a tub on the van can't wait give it a try nice one mate hope you enjoyed ya pint looking forward too more videos 👍 😃🍺
Either or mate it doesn't matter. The more it dries the more it kills suction. So if I was going over a high suction background like bare plaster or something then I'd leave it longer just to properly seal the wall
I believe this fella, sounds genuine! Nice one mate👍 SBR it is for me...I used pva before, but my mate said SBR is rubber based. Anything rubber based is a proper sealant. In vulcanises the wall and seals it big time!
Did my first room with SBR after watching this. Over very dry bonding and old painted surface. First wall I skimmed after about 40mins sbr drying and it actually didn't kill all the suction. Had to work quick. So, I left the other walls I'd SBR'd to dry overnight and that did the trick! Was like skimming on boards, completely even take up all over. I will leave it to completely cure in future maybe overnight if its practical.
@@Onthetrowel Thanks, I've used SBR once prior to skimming a wall, it blew on me, no idea why, it put me right off using it again so have used blue grit or pva instead. When Skimming ceiling's i've always felt more confident when using PVA and waiting for it to be tacky so gravity doesnt happen and it falls off! Im due to do my own ceiling in the new year so will try SBR on the existing ceiling (Non artex) and see what happens.
Great vid yet again! I need to skim over quite a smooth painted wallthis week. Is it best to use this neat, or with a handful of sand mixed in, or blue grit or similar?
It's fine on its own but there's nothing stopping you from adding sand, can't see it doing any harm if you really want to but personally I'd just paint it on neat, let it dry and skim it
Cheers mate, I'm aware that I'm not like a showman like some people on CZcams and my camera and sound aren't the best but I'm just trying to get some knowledge that I've picked up over the years out to others to help out a little bit 😀👍 I genuinely appreciate your support mate
Hey kirk I've been using sbr on plasterboard to give me a bit extra time as I'm new to plastering do you feel it is OK or that I should use extratime many thanks Dan
Hi, mate, i have an old outside rendered wall, perfectly sound but a has had a few whacks over the years so i intend to re render , about 10 sq.m . is to safe to use neat then scud or scratch then top coat. cheers .
Thanks for the vid mate, good answers to age old problem. Can you use sbr on bonding that’s set but not dry ? if you get my drift as some walls you may have to patch with bonding before you skim which can create problem suction areas. Looking forward to next video. 👍
OK so I get what your thinking because you would be sealing the damp in? When you do a damp proofing job though you put a waterproof coat on the wall so that in theory is doing exactly the same thing so I wouldn't see a problem in putting sbr over damp bonding. With that being said, bonding is designed to be skimmed over when it is damp so there probably isn't much point in painting sbr on it as it should already be low suction. The only benefit I could see is if you needed exactly the same suction all over or if you were planning on skimming it the next day. Either way, I would happily cover damp bonding in sbr and I'm sure at some point I've probably done it myself.
Liking your channel mate.... what are your thoughts on wood chip papered painted ceilings.....can you get away with plastering over wood chip and it being a decent enough job ? .....many thanks
Hey mate, I wouldn't want to plaster over it. I usually have the customer get the paper off. Did a job for an old lady once, Hall stairs and landing. Covered in woodchip and it wouldn't budge. We bought 3 cheap electric plains an just ripped it off with them. Very messy but very fast 🤣
First off, love the channel pal it's spot on 👍 Secondly... I've had a pig today doing a ceiling 🙈 tried neat sbr because I didn't want wait for pva to dry and had a mare. Ceiling was painted in emulsion, just needed a skim to sort out some cracks. Anyway, I put neat sikabond sbr + on. It was all dry before I started laying on, but when I went to flatten the first coat, the gear just slid around (like it does if the pva hasn't dried) nearly lost the ceiling to be honest. Had to wait for the first coat to really go off before I could get the second on. Also had quilte a lot of bubbles which were a pain to deal with. What have I done wrong ? Too thin a coat of sbr ? Wrong type of sbr ? I have no idea what happened if I'm honest lol.
Sounds like maybe the sbr hadn't quite cured enough or wasn't on thick enough. Also did you flatten in straight away or leave it to pick up. I'd imagine that leaving it to go firm could cause an issue if their is no suction so always flatten when wet or do what i do and put first coat on really neat and then just second coat it. I don't bother flattening it unless it's on thick artex and it looks a mess
@@Onthetrowel I flattened it straight away, took about 20 minutes to put on, quick wash of the bucket and then flattened. So only about 25 min after I'd first started laying on. It was unusually dry for that amount of time as well which I thought was strange, then it started dragging. Only thing I can think was, I bought a new roller which was a cheapo one so probably went on too thin with it. I'll try it again and also leave it longer to cure next time 👍 I've always flattened my first coat even though I put it on neat but I may give that a go as well if my ocd will let me 🤣 Cheers for all the info in your videos and for the quick reply. Keep it up pal 👍
Sounds like the SBR worked too well, killed all the suction, might of worked better if the first coat was half mixed with bonding and two hand fulls of cement, it would of gone off quicker and less likely to slide about
@@JB-kg9we If you didn't know, mixing some cement (not a lot is needed) into the plaster makes it set quicker. Also bonding is more gooey/gluey than setting/finishing plaster, so would help the first coat not to slide about as much.
It's not water based so I wouldn't recommend it. But I know some blokes do. I personally use it neat. You can plaster on it when it's tacky but for best suction control I leave it until the next day
@@Onthetrowel It is water based and water soluble, thats how it works when used in concrete and render mixes - so you should be able to water it down. The confusion here is because SBR once set does not re-emulsify (which is what PVA does) So once it's set it is water resistant.
Hi mate, I've stripped wallpaper and have old plasterboard (decent nick) with some parts that have been skimmed in past... because it was old plasterboard etc I was going to PVA it (one coat, let dry then second tacky coat) would one neat coat of SBR day before be sufficient for this case? Same with an artex ceiling, day before SBR?
@@Onthetrowel sounds good! You Reckon if I SBR a whole room and aim to plaster it within a week that'd be okay too mate? Waiting PVA to go tacky wastes alot of time once add it all up...if I can skip that...Bonus!
@@Onthetrowel well as a decorator its not great to turn up and find dried PVA on the surfaces I then have to paint, all painter moan about this. Gardz is suitable for painting on and should work in the same way as diluted PVA, so for the edge parts it would be a good idea, but maybe too pricey to do the whole wall.
@nick w I'll look into it. I know a lot of painters have to do extra work when we've been patching so it's something I'll check out mate. Thanks for the info
@@Onthetrowel great. The worst thing if when plasterers feather out their patch onto the painted wall, when we roll over it it pulls off onto the roller, it would be better to leave a hard edge and let us use filler. Trying to solve that with the plasterer painting PVA onto the wall just gives us another headache. I hope that Gardz can solve this issue of where the plasterers work meets the painters work
I’ve used SBR neat before and the plaster came off in strips. So i’m apprehensive to go neat with any pva/SBR products. It’s a strange topic, ask 5 different plasterers you’ll get 5 different answers of what’s best or not. 🤷♂️
@@Onthetrowel no mate, a return on a chimney breast. I’ve a biggish old ceiling to do in the new year. Don’t want to grit it cause they’re keeping coving, want to keep as much of the margin as possible. So I’m debating with myself what’s the best product/ratio to use. 🤣🤷♂️
@Phil S all I was going to say was there's a good chance that the sbr worked bur the paint that it was stuck to has came away. I've genuinely never had sbr fail mate. I will do a side by side test with a few different things, sbr, pva, grit etc etc and then do a bit of a test with plaster and seeing how well it's adhered
I’ll be honest with you mate I just sbr neat on a grey skimmed wall and my multifinish went off so quick and started cracking ???? Been plastering for 10+ years thought I’d give it a go but it’s a no from me
ive applied bonding plaster to bare brick walls in my bedroom (which i flattened with a feather edge & is now completely dry) so shud i PVA or SBR (or even 50/50 PVA & SBR) before skimming???
So the quick answer is put sbr on it. Bonding is really designed to be skimmed the same day when it has set but is still damp and then you wouldn't need to seal it at all. With all that said, Bonding is really for low suction backgrounds like plasterboard and walls that have been sealed already. For going straight over brick you would be better using hardwall, toughcoat or browning or if is a solid 9" wall with no cavity then you would want to use sand and cement with waterproofer. The reason is that these plasters are designed to go over high suction backgrounds like brick. Bonding will be fine, it's just harder to use in that situation. (Unless you haven't got a cavity in the wall then you really need to consider penetrative damp)
@MR V if I were in your shoes now, I would give it one good coat of sbr (neat, not watered down) leave it to completely dry until the next day and skim it mate
@@Onthetrowel ok - i will try neat SBR. im teaching myself how to plaster (with the help of yootube of course) & have managed to float the walls with bonding - and want to try skimming them myself!!! nothin ventured.....nothin gained!!! thanks for the advice mate!!!
just started watching from the beginning of this CZcams series and literally every episode there's always a light on he has to turn off, it's like an ongoing joke, this is great, and I'm not even in the trade. Loved the sales technique video.
After watching this , i sbr a wall put bonding on after 20 minutes brilliant advice, no more pva from now on
Glad I was a help to you mate
Thank you very much for this video. I went out on a limb a year ago when I didn't have any PVA to hand because I figured that it was only about controlling suction. However, I'm really pleased to have someone with your experience confirm it. I was a little concerned that it would come back to haunt me later.
Thanx love these vids some great tips and tricks some I've never seen but I will deffo be putting them to good use
Glad you enjoy mate and thanks for following my channel
Loving your videos mate...Great advice and loving your laid back manner....Tried the faster plastering tips today and also using less water...basically did ths best ceiling I've ever done. THANKS!
Lovely, I'm really enjoying doing these videos just for comments like yours 👍🙏
Great video mate, cheers for the useful advice 👍
Really good informative video, I’m gonna give it a go tomorrow. Cheers lad
No worries, cheers
That was my worry and the mechanics behind it I don't understand but you have put my mind at ease and I've been using sbr for a few months know on every job and I will carry on
Glad you liked it mate
I am a multi-trade, great advice. I had some SBR and was unsure, saw your vid and now confident to proceed. Nyce won
I've got an old grey skim ceiling to go over in mine I was dreading doing with the suction but I'll give the sbr a try on it now. Cheers
Do it the day before for best results mate
Cracking video.... love it .... never used SBR for skimming but will definitely give it a go .... I've always used pva mix with a few drops of red food colouring so I can see where I've been with the roller... looking forward to the next video... have a cracking Xmas and New year
Hey really appreciate your comment steve, happy Christmas to you too pal
Great video mate, glad you did this one that literally answered all my questions regarding sbr. Iv only ever used pva like most of us spreads for past 10 years. Only used sbr on tanking/rendering jobs I was abit worried about it sealing the wall due too it being waterproof and potentially the skim delaminating blowing. Got a tub on the van can't wait give it a try nice one mate hope you enjoyed ya pint looking forward too more videos 👍 😃🍺
Cheers Jord, glad it helped you pal. Anything else I can help with just leave it in the comments mate an I'll do my best to do a little video 👍
@@Onthetrowel when you was saying you use it on silk paint/low suction do you still let it dry completely first or hit it when tacky pal ?
Either or mate it doesn't matter. The more it dries the more it kills suction.
So if I was going over a high suction background like bare plaster or something then I'd leave it longer just to properly seal the wall
@@Onthetrowel cheers mate appreciate it 👍
Fantastic video. Really entertaing and really appreciated. Never used SBR but will give it a go. Hope you enjoyed your
pint!
Nice one Paul. I did indeed.
Cheers for the comment mate
I believe this fella, sounds genuine! Nice one mate👍 SBR it is for me...I used pva before, but my mate said SBR is rubber based. Anything rubber based is a proper sealant. In vulcanises the wall and seals it big time!
Right on
Enjoy your pint mate you've earned it you passed on some very handy knowledge there thanks again 👍
I'll be having a quick 6 today 🍻😜👍👍
@@Onthetrowel spoken like a true plaster 😂
@christopher adams I only go out for one proper pint, the first 5 are just my warm up practice pints 😉🥴
Brilliant stuff , use the same one , pva over the last 6/7 years has got worse and worse , sbr never lets you down . 👍
Well explained mate
Did my first room with SBR after watching this. Over very dry bonding and old painted surface. First wall I skimmed after about 40mins sbr drying and it actually didn't kill all the suction. Had to work quick. So, I left the other walls I'd SBR'd to dry overnight and that did the trick! Was like skimming on boards, completely even take up all over.
I will leave it to completely cure in future maybe overnight if its practical.
Great Video mate , going to give it a go tomorrow
Glad you liked it pal, you will never look back
Used the blue grit on my artex ceilings so i wasn’t chasing anything. I think it’s an sbr with grit and a colour added. Cheers and enjoy the pint!
Thanks for another great video.
Cheers Andy, if there is any particular type of video you would like to see, then let me know.
@@Onthetrowel Thanks, I've used SBR once prior to skimming a wall, it blew on me, no idea why, it put me right off using it again so have used blue grit or pva instead.
When Skimming ceiling's i've always felt more confident when using PVA and waiting for it to be tacky so gravity doesnt happen and it falls off! Im due to do my own ceiling in the new year so will try SBR on the existing ceiling (Non artex) and see what happens.
I've used SBR to stick plaster beads, I did it by accident, but it works perfectly 😄
🤣🤣🤣 fair play
I found the time!!! Thank you
Great vid yet again! I need to skim over quite a smooth painted wallthis week. Is it best to use this neat, or with a handful of sand mixed in, or blue grit or similar?
It's fine on its own but there's nothing stopping you from adding sand, can't see it doing any harm if you really want to but personally I'd just paint it on neat, let it dry and skim it
Cracking video pal
Cheers mate, I'm aware that I'm not like a showman like some people on CZcams and my camera and sound aren't the best but I'm just trying to get some knowledge that I've picked up over the years out to others to help out a little bit 😀👍
I genuinely appreciate your support mate
Apparently SBR is very good ,that’s when you can get the top off.whoever designed this cap wants horse whipping.
This man is the king, SBR rules pva for fools!
Can you use SPR on painted walls and then skim it?
Awesome video
Cheers mate 👍
Hey kirk I've been using sbr on plasterboard to give me a bit extra time as I'm new to plastering do you feel it is OK or that I should use extratime many thanks Dan
Yeh because to it seems your putting a layer of glass between what your plastering on but if it works fair play great video again
Thanks Adam, I need to know how it works to be honest. I will look into it but for now I just put it down to magic 🤣
Hey mate great video. What's the mix for SBR
Hi, mate, i have an old outside rendered wall, perfectly sound but a has had a few whacks over the years so i intend to re render , about 10 sq.m . is to safe to use neat then scud or scratch then top coat. cheers .
Would SBR work over old distemper/ Chalky background ? Cheers
Thanks for the vid mate, good answers to age old problem. Can you use sbr on bonding that’s set but not dry ? if you get my drift as some walls you may have to patch with bonding before you skim which can create problem suction areas.
Looking forward to next video. 👍
OK so I get what your thinking because you would be sealing the damp in?
When you do a damp proofing job though you put a waterproof coat on the wall so that in theory is doing exactly the same thing so I wouldn't see a problem in putting sbr over damp bonding.
With that being said, bonding is designed to be skimmed over when it is damp so there probably isn't much point in painting sbr on it as it should already be low suction. The only benefit I could see is if you needed exactly the same suction all over or if you were planning on skimming it the next day.
Either way, I would happily cover damp bonding in sbr and I'm sure at some point I've probably done it myself.
Thanks for your quick reply, really appreciate it atb
Never used sbr for skimming, going to give a go top man 👍
I've just made a new video about SBR, check it out mate 👍👍
Ages ago we put a set on after sbr, longest set we've ever put on. Definitely killed the suction 😂
I find sbr ok as long as it is pretty dry or completely dry as if its wet it spues through the multi and comes through
Yes mate, similar to pva, you got to sort of give it chance to go tacky
Hi I'm new to sbr how would I apply it by roller or brush
Liking your channel mate.... what are your thoughts on wood chip papered painted ceilings.....can you get away with plastering over wood chip and it being a decent enough job ? .....many thanks
Hey mate, I wouldn't want to plaster over it. I usually have the customer get the paper off.
Did a job for an old lady once, Hall stairs and landing. Covered in woodchip and it wouldn't budge.
We bought 3 cheap electric plains an just ripped it off with them.
Very messy but very fast 🤣
@On the trowel Thank for the advice fella.....all the best 😊👍
First off, love the channel pal it's spot on 👍
Secondly... I've had a pig today doing a ceiling 🙈 tried neat sbr because I didn't want wait for pva to dry and had a mare.
Ceiling was painted in emulsion, just needed a skim to sort out some cracks.
Anyway, I put neat sikabond sbr + on. It was all dry before I started laying on, but when I went to flatten the first coat, the gear just slid around (like it does if the pva hasn't dried) nearly lost the ceiling to be honest. Had to wait for the first coat to really go off before I could get the second on. Also had quilte a lot of bubbles which were a pain to deal with. What have I done wrong ? Too thin a coat of sbr ? Wrong type of sbr ? I have no idea what happened if I'm honest lol.
Sounds like maybe the sbr hadn't quite cured enough or wasn't on thick enough.
Also did you flatten in straight away or leave it to pick up. I'd imagine that leaving it to go firm could cause an issue if their is no suction so always flatten when wet or do what i do and put first coat on really neat and then just second coat it. I don't bother flattening it unless it's on thick artex and it looks a mess
@@Onthetrowel I flattened it straight away, took about 20 minutes to put on, quick wash of the bucket and then flattened. So only about 25 min after I'd first started laying on. It was unusually dry for that amount of time as well which I thought was strange, then it started dragging.
Only thing I can think was, I bought a new roller which was a cheapo one so probably went on too thin with it. I'll try it again and also leave it longer to cure next time 👍
I've always flattened my first coat even though I put it on neat but I may give that a go as well if my ocd will let me 🤣
Cheers for all the info in your videos and for the quick reply. Keep it up pal 👍
Sounds like the SBR worked too well, killed all the suction, might of worked better if the first coat was half mixed with bonding and two hand fulls of cement, it would of gone off quicker and less likely to slide about
@@Sandysand701what have I just read? You do what?
@@JB-kg9we If you didn't know, mixing some cement (not a lot is needed) into the plaster makes it set quicker. Also bonding is more gooey/gluey than setting/finishing plaster, so would help the first coat not to slide about as much.
Could give the walls a key with a devil float then sbr it to be safe
Do you water down your sbr at all mate
Hi do you ever dilute SPR? or is it always put on neat
It's not water based so I wouldn't recommend it. But I know some blokes do.
I personally use it neat.
You can plaster on it when it's tacky but for best suction control I leave it until the next day
@@Onthetrowel It is water based and water soluble, thats how it works when used in concrete and render mixes - so you should be able to water it down. The confusion here is because SBR once set does not re-emulsify (which is what PVA does) So once it's set it is water resistant.
Ya right what you say mate just put it on straight from the tub .👍
Hi mate, I've stripped wallpaper and have old plasterboard (decent nick) with some parts that have been skimmed in past... because it was old plasterboard etc I was going to PVA it (one coat, let dry then second tacky coat) would one neat coat of SBR day before be sufficient for this case? Same with an artex ceiling, day before SBR?
Yes mate, don't miss anything and it will be perfect
@@Onthetrowel sounds good! You Reckon if I SBR a whole room and aim to plaster it within a week that'd be okay too mate? Waiting PVA to go tacky wastes alot of time once add it all up...if I can skip that...Bonus!
Hi. Can I sbr painted walls the day before I reskim the walls or does it need to be tacky similar to pva to apply skim?
Day before is fine
have you ever use Zinsser Gardz, which is a quick drying sealer for damaged plasterboard
I haven't mate no, never heard of it... would you recommend it nick?
@@Onthetrowel well as a decorator its not great to turn up and find dried PVA on the surfaces I then have to paint, all painter moan about this.
Gardz is suitable for painting on and should work in the same way as diluted PVA, so for the edge parts it would be a good idea, but maybe too pricey to do the whole wall.
@nick w I'll look into it. I know a lot of painters have to do extra work when we've been patching so it's something I'll check out mate. Thanks for the info
@@Onthetrowel great. The worst thing if when plasterers feather out their patch onto the painted wall, when we roll over it it pulls off onto the roller, it would be better to leave a hard edge and let us use filler. Trying to solve that with the plasterer painting PVA onto the wall just gives us another headache. I hope that Gardz can solve this issue of where the plasterers work meets the painters work
@@utubeape you don’t use mist coat then.
I’ve used SBR neat before and the plaster came off in strips.
So i’m apprehensive to go neat with any pva/SBR products. It’s a strange topic, ask 5 different plasterers you’ll get 5 different answers of what’s best or not. 🤷♂️
Was it a ceiling Phil?
@@Onthetrowel no mate, a return on a chimney breast. I’ve a biggish old ceiling to do in the new year. Don’t want to grit it cause they’re keeping coving, want to keep as much of the margin as possible. So I’m debating with myself what’s the best product/ratio to use. 🤣🤷♂️
@Phil S all I was going to say was there's a good chance that the sbr worked bur the paint that it was stuck to has came away.
I've genuinely never had sbr fail mate.
I will do a side by side test with a few different things, sbr, pva, grit etc etc and then do a bit of a test with plaster and seeing how well it's adhered
@@Onthetrowel Fair point about the paint. Could have been that alright. Never thought about that.
@Phil S see how you go mate, if you have any other questions then give me a shout, have a great Christmas mate
I’ll be honest with you mate I just sbr neat on a grey skimmed wall and my multifinish went off so quick and started cracking ???? Been plastering for 10+ years thought I’d give it a go but it’s a no from me
How long did you leave it to cure mate?
I'll be getting SBR tomorrow
ive applied bonding plaster to bare brick walls in my bedroom (which i flattened with a feather edge & is now completely dry) so shud i PVA or SBR (or even 50/50 PVA & SBR) before skimming???
So the quick answer is put sbr on it.
Bonding is really designed to be skimmed the same day when it has set but is still damp and then you wouldn't need to seal it at all.
With all that said, Bonding is really for low suction backgrounds like plasterboard and walls that have been sealed already.
For going straight over brick you would be better using hardwall, toughcoat or browning or if is a solid 9" wall with no cavity then you would want to use sand and cement with waterproofer.
The reason is that these plasters are designed to go over high suction backgrounds like brick.
Bonding will be fine, it's just harder to use in that situation. (Unless you haven't got a cavity in the wall then you really need to consider penetrative damp)
@@Onthetrowel should i dilute the SBR with water or PVA??? is it worth adding a handful of plastering sand for some gritty key??? thanks mate!!!
@MR V if I were in your shoes now, I would give it one good coat of sbr (neat, not watered down) leave it to completely dry until the next day and skim it mate
@@Onthetrowel ok - i will try neat SBR. im teaching myself how to plaster (with the help of yootube of course) & have managed to float the walls with bonding - and want to try skimming them myself!!! nothin ventured.....nothin gained!!! thanks for the advice mate!!!
@MR V just try one nice wall first, one with no window or external corners would be a good start and just take your time.
Can you put SPR on a painted wall?
Thanks
SBR mate.
Yes you can pal 👍👍
@@Onthetrowel
Thanks buddy 👍 I'll give that a go
PUT CHALK, FROM THE CHALK LINE. THEN YOU CAN SEE. DON'T USE WHITE. 😅
I have been using SBR over PVA for years
It's far better mate isn't it
@@Onthetrowel sure is especially on high suction
Enjoy your 🍺
Thanks very much mate