Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated? | Middle Ground
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"Everyone who has had a vaccine step forward"
*everyone steps forward*
Well, you need to become an adult to be an anti vaxxer, if you know what I mean-
"everyone who was not vaccinated, step forward" *dead people crawl out of grave and come sit down*
Justin Fay lol wtf
Justin Fay ahahaha
Because the parent made the decision. A child has no real choice .
those doctors didn't go through 10+ years of school to have someone who makes clothes tell them about 50% of their course material. Girl, they know it's safe-ish better than having your child dead-ish.
winta k thank you!
Less than 50%
Well at least it's not just dead
winta K *Death is the enemy of the human race. Death is eternity inside of the Sun. You mean to tell me you know everything about death except what death is, which is the Sun???*
Facts
My boyfriend is a polio survivor, if he had access to vaccines and could go back in time to take it he would. Side effects happen, but are often far less disruptive and dangerous to life than the actual disease. Its sad that this is even an argument.
Why didnât he have access?
@@sunshinesoldier2915 probably got the disease before the vaccine was out
@@IIII...... are you serious?? The effects of polio are with him for life, thereâs a thing called post polio syndrome which has a list of health issues that develop over time. Heâs also wheelchair bound for the rest of his life, people do die from polio, thankfully he is not one of them but a vaccine couldâve vastly improved his life.
Antivaxxers are a literal and figurative plague on our society right now. Itâs selfish.
@@Veronica-rt3mi iâm sorry that you guys had to go through that. I fully agree with you.
@@thienantran7913 Hes from a country where they stole the vaccines off the people and sold them, so he didnât get the vaccine on time.
"It's hard to trust someone that sees your child for 10 minutes, twice a year..." this phrase is neglects to mention that that same person is seeing hundreds if not thousands of other children on regular occasions, has studied numerous years to get a medical Doctorate to specialize in dealing with children and has experience dealing with ailments related to children.
ALSO its better when a doctor does not have a personal connection with a patient, so they can make unbiased decisions, without letting personal connection get in the way and cloud their judgment
I'm anti-eating because there's a chance I can get food poisoning, and me no like tummy ache.
I read the last part in Cookie monster's voice
I'm anti breathing cause I might one day breathe in dangerous chemicals. So no thanks
one time i got food poisoning from a restaurant so im anti restaurant
A really that's a good point. Too much of a risk
I'm actually anti-living, because research done by harvard university shows that there are always chances of dying.
Regarding Melissa, she said there's a medical reason that her daughter cannot receive vaccines herself, and therefore must rely on herd immunity, because she's suffered from reactions to them. So how can she be anti-vax when her daughter relies on others being vaccinated? I can understand if she was just against vaccinating her own child, but to label yourself as totally against vaccinations altogether is ignorant.
soyjaimie I donât label myself as Anti-vaccine, I am anti-mandates though.
Melissa Suzanne herd immunity relies on vaccinations
As someone who has a condition in which prevents me from having certain vaccines, I am all for them, because as well as protecting our children and other kids from these diseases, we also need to protect others who canât have certain vaccines for health reasons. Itâs not fair that we should have to suffer at the hands of others
Emmie especially when you could get a disease from someone who uses personal belief as a reason to not get vaccinated or vaccinate their children rather than true medical facts and statistics.
I was thinking they should ask if the people who are against vaccines if they want everyone to not get vaccines, otherwise what are you fighting for? To be heard? I think doctors understands the risks.
"parents know their children best"
Fun fact: Friends mostly know your child better than you
agreed
She is talking about children under 13 not teenagers
@@teacup3064 you'd still be surprised how little parents know their children. People assume that because they have control over someone that they know them best. History is filled with examples of why this is a lie _cough cough mass shooter parents_
I read that wrong at first, i was thinking friends of the parents and i was Very confused
As an adolesant, I can confirm this is true as I don't share my love life with my parents but only my friends. Because I feel it as akward.
Thank you Karen. You managed to tick all the boxes
- No medical degree? Check
- Talk over someone when theyâre trying to make a point? Check
- Using a specific situation to prove your point? Check
@@theappleciderresistance4925 A pediatrician who also stated that he tries his best to ease parents' worries and explain vaccines to them. He's not against vaccines.
The Inventor of mRNA knows it does. The inventor of RT-PCR test knows what's its real purpose is.
Mothers know.
On the intern u can always find someone that agrees with u, always fact check n donât just look for the answer u want.
That third point is so common with anti-vaxxers. They always pull out vague anecdotes or unconfirmed stories to push their arguments
The woman whose daughter had all those adverse reactions to vaccines would be an example of someone who NEEDS herd immunity (needs other people to be vaccinated) because she is unable to be vaccinated herself.
If everyone was unvaccinated, her daughter would have a significantly higher chance of catching something.
casano3 Vacations never helped me with not getting sick. I've been Vaccine free and haven't been severely sick for going on 5 years now, of course I've had a few colds here and there but not to the point where it turned into something serious.
I have a weak immune system and kidneys but get sick less then anyone I know that's Vaccinated.
@@izbella1857 The problem is when you get older or when there is an outbreak.
I got chicken pox during high school, it was fine, but now I had the scar. (At least it is small scar)
Then my uncle has polio and paralyzed now. You also might want to help the one that get autoimmune disease and can't get vaccinated.
Just make sure you don't traveling or you get caught with foreigners disease.
Iz Bella thatâs literally like saying I havenât used a seat belt for the past 5 years and I havenât gotten hurt but I know people that always wear seat belts but have gotten hurt and I have a cheap not safe car when other people have safer cars. Itâs really more about luck than anything else. Also vaccines help make diseases less severe if you get it
No lol, I havenât been vaccinated in over 10 years and I am fine. Everyday I am around multiple people who arenât vaccinated either. Herd immunity is a false theory.
Exactly my point!
Iâm anti life because I can die during life, and thatâs too risky.
genius play
Peter Maxwell wow ur genious
This is an epic gamer moment
Genius
Lmao đ
Once I choked on pizza, that's how I know nobody should eat pizza.
If you do that, the Italians might invade
@@IIII......
Are governments forcing vaccines on us?
@@IIII...... yes they are putting gasoline in vackzine đ€Żthese gordrnarm governmentn have ben spyingg on us!!
This happened to me with Water. Now I only drink Soft drinks! :-D
@@mori8706 talking with a troll and take his word seriously? Wow.....
You go to your doctor for medical advice.
Girl with bangs- "I know my child best"
Doctor "Well here's the scalpel, good luck with your daughter's appendicitis"
EXACTLY! Then why go to the doctor's? Just treat you child by yourself. If you think you know everything be capable of doing your own operations.
All the Karens are like "I know my child best, I don't trust doctors" until their child gets appendicitis or a fracture, and then they drop their healing crystals and their essential oils and go running to the hospital for help. And the worst part is after the medical professionals help their child, they'll go back to their ignorant ways and nothing will change
Well, if you cannot use your intelligence to DISCERN between those areas that you are capable of researching and understanding and those you are not - if you would rather be a passive believer, so be it. But you suck as a parent.
What happens when the mother is a doctor herself and does the surgery perfectly?
@@aroach7461 They get the vaccine.
Why didnât they get adults who werenât vaccinated.... oh wait
Ngilenko342 đI see what you just did
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I want middle ground between people who believe in covid and people who donât
Well you obviously donât if you want people to come here and possibly spread the virus. I think they should do this virtually, stop trying to spread corona.
Kamogelo Maponya thatâs literally what I said, try reading
Drunk Sonic who shat in ya cereal
Revenant joe
Ngl sounds like an argument between trump supporters and everyone else
avoiding all vaccines because you had a bad reaction... is like avoiding all fruit because you ended up being allergic to apples...
That person has that right. Are you going to be that insensitive to someone who literally almost died because they took a vaccine? I know a woman whose son died from an adverse reaction to a vaccine and she refuses to vaccinate her 2 other children with that same vaccine. Are you really going to judge someone like her so harshly. We have to get to the point where we have empathy for people who are genuinely scare because they have experienced an allergic reaction or know someone who has. There views are still valid even though you don't agree
@@nicolprofittkh Someone does have that right. Just like both government funded schools and hospitals, as well as private ones, have the right to refuse services to someone who isn't vaccinated.
I do judge someone for letting their fear rule over what science supports is best for their child.
@@EclecticallyEccentric i feel like that isn't right, if someone has been adversely affected by vaccines, and i don't mean mild allergies, like people who have ended up with debilitating life long problems, i believe the fear is valid, no one wants to run back into something that almost killed them. I believe this should be recognised more.
I once had a light allergic reaction to sunscreen, threw up after eating rice and slipped in the shower, causing me to fall and bruise myself slightly.
Therefore, against the hundreds of specialists and professionals who have poured hours into research on skin cancer, I propose that we ban all sunscreen internationally, even sunscreen from different brands that had nothing to do with my mild rash. I also suggest that, despite rice being one of the most important crops in the world and sustaining many people in poverty, we ban rice across the globe as someone may choke on it and die. My final suggestion is that we ban showers despite hygiene having been a key factor in many pandemics throughout history, as slipping and falling is extremely dangerous even though millions of people take showers daily without dying.
@@Nobody-kh2nm you said a light reactionâŠ.we arenât talking about that here. People are entitled to their own opinions. If I had a near death experience with a vaccine, I would be extremely wary to take them again. Itâs not really that hard to think. If someone almost drowned in a pool as a child and now they have a fear of large bodies of water, that doesnât mean they donât believe others shouldnât be in pools, thatâs their experience and a valid fear.
Bruh just imagine explaining medical stuff to a doctor that spent years studying that same medical stuff, and an extra decade+ of an experience
KIRYU-SAN!
Those anti vaxxers cannot even pronounce the name of drugs.
I cant imagine how insulted he must have felt to be told misinformed about his own disciple by a woman who hasnât even spent a quarter of the time studying it.
I'm anti-seatbelt because I can still die or be injured in a car accident.
My daughter broke her arm in a car crash while she was wearing her seatbelt, therefore nobody should wear seatbelts: basically bangs lady's argument
Hahahahaha
The seatbelt killed my mum in a car accident but I wonât disagree the function of the seatbelt.
Basically 4:05 in a nutshell.
Oh my god someone should have said that
âIâm not gonna be able to send my kids to school because of the way I thinkâ no maâam youâre not gonna be able to send your kids to school because theyâre a threat to other kids
You mean a threat to all those "protected" children?
JoeBob Jenkins no, itâs a threat to children w things like cancer who have a weakened immune system, itâs a risk to elderly teachers w weakened immune systems, itâs a risk to children who are unable to get vaccines due to allergies. In these cases, herd immunity is important
No the other kids are a threat to them,
"oh timmy Just has a little cold"
*timmy coughs*
*non vaxxed kid starts a 4 day long dying process*
Cerise Min I know but I was taking about non vaxx kids carrying unknown or old diseases and passing it down to other kids even if theyâre vaxx
@@fv4328 I was taking the time to make a joke
so basically, if a bridge was 96.80%, you would prefer to swim with the 3.20%
@@IIII...... i cant tell if thatâs sarcasm or not however thatâs my logic on the case. both my parents are doctors so iâm quite educated and lucky when it comes to learning about this kinda stuff
@@IIII...... iâm chained up in my room because of you anti vaxxers. got covid from my friend who is unvaaxxed and currently in the hospital. would be in there like him if i didnât have my vacccine
You *SERIOUSLY* couldnât improve the 3.20 by 1?
@@nrlstatistics4898 ???
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didnât want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, donât feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
I was in a room and someone farted and the room stank. Thus I will simply hold my breath forever more lest I happen to bump into more people farting because I read a post on Fakebook from a friend of a friend of a friend that inhaling farts can alter my DNA. lol!
This manâs a genius!
@@varyolla435 Bruh I'm dying
The girl with bangs has not thought through the implications of anti-vax when it comes for her daughter. If she has a reaction and cannot get vaccinated her only protection is herd immunity. It would be better for her daughter that everyone is vaccinated, and I donât think she understands that.
Lone Wolf yes thats what she says but the way she answers some if the questions is troubling. For example she does not come forward with ânot getting vaccinated endangers other peopleâ this is evidence to my original point of her not fully realizing the implications of anti-vax. Her daughter is at the highest risk of endangerment being medically unable to be vaccinated. Herd immunity is the the only defense of her daughter and she seems to be fine with people not being vaccinated without there being a medical reason.
Yeah
It shouldn't be a choice tho don't get vaccsinates. Safe dont go to school and risk the health of others. That's your choice and it seems pretty fair to me
I wish she saw this
Yeah I thought the same...
As someone who was born and raised in Sierra Leone, one of the poorest countries in the world, I will attest that vaccines should be a must and should be considered a privilege to have. The infant mortality alone in countries where kids don't get vaccinated is atrocious. Also, being an educated person means that you realize there will always be a risk factor to anything in life. What matters in the end is "Does it do more good than harm". My 2 cents.
Your English is very good
@tututuims ieijebdo not u, the guy raised in Sierra Leone
@@ritvikkanchanapally7909 thank you.
James Carew THIS COMMENT RIGHT HERE IS TOO PERFECT
@@bigsplash6055 much appreciated
I love how anti vaxxers was all about "Me", "my kids"
and the pro vaxxers were all about "us", "them"
I've seen that a lot in these kinds of videos. Anti-vaxxers tend to fixate on themselves, whereas pro-vaxxers are compassionate and thinking of their community
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@@afarensis9720 why wouldnât you put yourself and your own family first?
@@stellagrey1465 your family goes under community too. Also it's not some black and white choice, putting yourself first doesn't mean you have to neglect everyone around you. Not to mention vaccines really don't pose a direct threat to you at all so this whole "putting yourself first" argument doesn't even apply here
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David is amazing, he dealt with the situation so well and he had such patience for the other side and kept his cool.
This girl over here tried to âout smartâ a Doctor about MEDICATION I am DECEASED
So are Anti-Vaxx children
Dashy medication*
@@azathoth8888 that was good.
Yr deceased cuz u didnât have yr vaccine against pro plague
Subzero99 good job
Imagine being a designer and thinking you know more about medicine than a doctor...
Lol
@Euphoric Vision01 oh god don't start it here,you will give away the secrets,damn,go back to the grave,NOW,,,đđđ
@Euphoric Vision01 lol
@Grace Elizabeth L Girl, your parents may know the OUTSIDE of your body and behavior, but the doctors know the INSIDES of a person. Doctors dont spend their 20s in medical school for nothing...
Grace Elizabeth L nice troll.
Itâs like âHey I know itâs your job to be a Doctor and youâve received an education, but I drink kombucha and read Reddit posts so Iâm obviously much more knowledgeable than youâ
"The first question is...I am vaccinated."
*they all walk up*
me: LAUGHING INCREASED
Itâs before Covid.
Delta: say whatt?
how was that funny?
Most vaccines happen as children, so what choice did they have until they became adults?
how are the anti-vaxxers talking about the pros downplaying something while completely downplaying all the risks of not vaxxing themselves?
omg preach!
Because they only care about their own opinion and don't care about the safety of their kids...
vaccines only help build a resistance to the virus, the vaccine contain a virus and antigen but usually in very small amounts. This allows your body to recognize the virus when it enters your body and fight it off easier if you encounter the virus later in life. Just like water resistant technology, it's not water proof. Same with vaccines you are not virus proof. A misunderstanding is that if you're vaccinated you can't catch the virus which is false. You'd still catch the virus either way but the people who are vaccinated can fight off infection easier due to being exposed to the virus through vaccines the immune system recognizes it. Well that's what the theory says, there is exceptions like if you have a weak immune system then your body doesn't fight it off quicker and you still get it. There's been cases of people who are vaccinated against measles or the flu they still get measles /flu mostly due weak immune system. There is also many strains of viruses and virus evolve over time they are always changing. 1 vaccine is not a cure it all medicine it doesn't work like that. The risks of not vaccinating are exactly the same as being vaccinated, but vaccines come with their own risk of injury ranging from allergic reactions, contaminated vaccines & toxins. We know that vaccine injury definitely exists because of the victims and because vaccine court has paid them money for it after they were able to prove it was caused by vaccines. We know in some rare circumstances children have even died from vaccines as with the recent case in samoa. You can spread germs on hands even if vaccinated, I believe good hygiene and sterilizing the surface of anything you touch / eat off is the key to staying virus free.
seems like you're basing your opinions on unfounded industry "science". Vaccines do not, and never did - contribute towards good health in the least!
GrowingDownUnder yes, i agree with keeping a good hygiene and all that stuff. having yourself vaccined first is your choice anyway. what i learn is that, itâs better to do a prevention first and thatâs it.
I'm anti-kids because 100% of children are people and 100% of people die, and I'm just not about to take that risk for my children.
Edit: Since this was not obvious enough, this was satire.
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@@anuraagsaxena7942 I know you are, but what am I? ...wait.
you should be anti-kid, we have enough people
@@v05555 Wdym? The WHO reckons the 11th billion person will never be born.
@@extrablandchaos2149 So you're going to end your family tree.
If Middle Ground has taught me anything, itâs that empathy and understanding is important. Even if you have concrete certainty that youâre right, understanding and treating the other side as human beings is vital, especially if you want to convince them of anything.
Beat them with a stick full of vaccines.
But you can't because anti-vaxers don't want to be *treated* XD
Except for when they disagree with you. Then you have to fire them from their jobs, attack them in public, wish them death, make death threats to them and dehumanize them then pass laws to put them into prison.
Very compassionate wouldn't you say?
â @@aroach7461What point are you even trying to make?
@@hellod4036 5 years since this all started.
But you forgot? You don't remember when doctors, nurses and people who worked hard, lost their jobs and livelihood over sharing their own thoughts?
Their was no middle ground for those people and it was already too late. And 5 years since nobody has come forth to admit they were wrong.
it was interesting to see the pediatrician who is also anti-vax and see his perspective on this. they all seemed so respectful to each other in this one and that was really nice.
Some kids are allergic to peanuts, and can be deadly to them.
Does that mean peanuts are the devil and no one else should eat them? No.
But to avoid an epidemic of allergies to peanuts we need to avoid injecting proteins from them and avoid injection of anything that mimics their proteins and probably also need to avoid compromising their gut lining integrity when they or their breast-feeding mothers are eating them.
nowGo4ward Iâm just making an analogy here... Iâm saying that peanuts arenât evil just because some are allergic to them, same as vaccines (I know peanuts arenât #1 healthiest food or Everyone should eat peanuts or whatever, Iâm just saying that a hyper-rare case of a good product creating a negative side effect on a child does not make the product evil, itâs just not good for that specific individual child).
next vid:
Pro-Peanuter vs Anti-Peanuter : Should You Buy Peanuts?
But it means you should be caution to them to some extent.
Pro vaccine: 3 doctors
Anti vaccine:1physician-1Designer-and the other lady doesnât even know what job she has officially
A physician who has had his license revoked due to giving false information
Man's went to med school to get revoked
And the anti vaccine physician even agreed that vaccines work, he contradicted himself
Nope..
Pro vaccine : 1 self proclaimed parenting expert, 2 physicians.
Anti vaccine 1 physician, 1 designer and 1 person who either has no job or doesnât care to tell
You see pro vaxers like to exaggerate their intelligence..
CĂ©dric S ah yes. The great exaggeration of spending 4-10 years studying medicine and making that known when asked!
tell a doctor whoâs been studying medicine for years that heâs wrongâŠwhat a joke đ
So you don't question authority
You need to live your life and not let others live it for you.... get different options other wise one guy will tell you ohh you have HIV and now you believe it
"Why wear body armor, plate carriers and helmets if bullets still go through helmets and the armor plates don't cover the whole body?"
The anti vaxer marissa was so quick to dismiss the pro vaccine doctor with his facts and when the other anti vax mom was saying how âpro vaxers need more compassion and theyâre so quick to put you downâ like câmon yâall literally spent the whole time just trying to dismiss them with your own research and youâre the one saying they need more compassion? I think they came in ready for a fight
Thereâs a saying âwinning an argument against a smart person is hard, but winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossibleâ
88 Keys wow, Iâm gunna quote that very time I argue with my sister
@BlooCaos r/imverysmart
BlooCaos you didnât understand the saying at all
BlooCaos iâm not gonna argue with you because â you canât reason with someone who is unreasonableâ aka you.
It's because they never THINK that they lost the arguement
When people say "Parents know their children best", it is definitely not in medical contexts. đ€Šââđ€Šââđ€Šââ
I want to take this time to Thank You for having a platform where you give both sides a voice and I don't just mean this subject, I mean Jubilee shows as a whole, also to do it with respect and empathy, its a great joy to see freedom of speech used correctly and not as an excuse for gas lighting entertainment, as is seen often. that the conversions are done correctly with your team and so they have more meaning and powerful impact on our world, as I watch from the UK. again Thank You, and much love and respect to you for this x (PS I am a dyslexic working on it, so sorry for any incorrect spellings/grammar)
âItâs as if not being a doctor somehow makes my opinion less valid.â
Thatâs because it DOES. Your opinion on medicine IS less valid than someone who has studied for a decade and then followed that with many years of real world experience, because they are experts in this subject. What a weird sense of entitlement to think that your opinion bares the same weight as that of a qualified medical professional.
Lizzie Allen read it again without the dumbass goggles on. I didnât say doctors are never wrong, in fact I never said anything about whoâs right or wrong at all. I said that her opinion does carry less weight than that of someone trained to understand the condition of sick people, since she has no formal training. Whine about it all you like, the doctors opinion is infinitely more valid than her own.
Lizzie Allen and who are you getting that 2nd opinion from? Thatâs right ANOTHER DOCTOR. Lol
Lizzie Allen
So do you think a opinion of a doctor that have years of study and experience is better then a opinion of a mon that say she did "research" on the Internet? The Internet are never wrong right?
Lizzie Allen so you can ask another DOCTOR đ
The key word is "opinion". As if opinion has anything to do with it.
Doctors can obviously be wrong, but we have the data to demonstrate the effects. We have the peer reviews and the studies. It has nothing to do with opinion.
Hold up..
DID A PEDIATRICIAN JUST SAY HEâS ANTIVAX AND CONTINUES TO SAY HE KNOWS THEY WORK.
Yep, how contradictory đ
@@bothpoint8667 Nope. You both missed the point. Anti-vaxxers do not say that all vaccines do not work. Some work very well. Others do not. Some have potentially serious long term side effects. Dr. Bob Sears is not anti-vax. He is pro informed consent so that parents and individuals can make an informed decision based on the risks of vaccines.
Iâm guessing heâs antivax about himself and probably his kids, but he has that âyou do you booâ mentality to his patients
@@izzyz3400 - He's not antivax.
Seems like he was more or less dragged onto the anti-vax side
I think it's easier to say that the risks outweighs the reward until you or child suffers some of those risks.
As Willy Wonka would say: _"strike that - reverse it."_ Your "risk" already exists as the infectious pathogens are out there spreading. Ergo you either stimulate immunity via vaccines which stress your body less - OR - you roll the dice to catch the full-blown illness. That of course comes with vastly higher chances for an adverse outcome. A child unable to abide exposure to a weakened vaccine would more than likely react poorly to simply catching the full-blown illness. Think about it.
I see you went to the elmo before?!?! Back down from a subway wall down back fro a leave it aloneFjdhajdjfhshdj
Second chances 123.. TWO THOUUUSAND TWELVE!!
If they are skeptical about doctors and not trusting them, whoâs to say the research they did is also not lying to them? Did they go to a trusted source?
I'm anti-breathing because there's a lot of air pollution and I might get sick.
Yo I am anti-water as well cuz you can drown
Did you know breathing air causes lung cancer?
Hey, I'm against breathing t...
Mhmm i am too
Yo im anti-life because every life ends in death
I swear to god melissa's logic is like: Because i'm allergic to almonds, that means that almonds are bad for you and they should be banned
We should ban birth because some babies die during pregnancy. I will not stand for this dangerous procedure!
Yeah I stubbed my toe on a chair so all chairs must be burned to a crisp
Haapi Hiivistö Iâm eating one now. Omg đ
Haapi Hiivistö it's literally the meme that 700,000 people die in hospitals each year, ban hospitals
Complete wilful ignorance
Haapi Hiivistö itâs not "Melissa" itâs measles
" just because I don't have dr in front of my name doesn't mean that my opinion is less valid"
yes, it does, actually.
Melissa: "I know my child better then you, so I don't trust you
doctor: "your child has cancer"
Melissa: "no she doesn't, because I know my child, and I know she wouldn't have it"
the cancer:.........
"My kid can't take vaccines, so no one should have to."
Ikr these idiots
Ikr? It should be "my kid can't take vaccines, so everyone else should."
@@matt4280 No that would be too informed.
AB05 yeah but most of these things just want to cause a riot
@Ebon Knight You're free to be wrong.
hmmm... Anti-vax pediatrician Bob is Bob Sears and he's currently on a 35-month probation with the medical board because his anti-vaccine advice hurt a patient. Somehow I get the feeling making this video violates the sanctions against his license... hmmmmm....
that's very interesting
Oh holy crap.....
Don't forget he was selling vaccine exemption forms online for a personal profit without ever seeing his patients!
@@hrhux He is the epitome of a scumbag. There aren't enough bad things that can happen to him.
Wow I'm not sure if I should be made at him or the video makers because he should not be talking
I swear to god, jubilee's next video is going to be murderers and non murderers- middle ground
saying it louder for the people at the back: CORRELATION IS NOT EQUAL TO CAUSATION!!
The thing with Mellisaâs situation is: her daughter absolutely relies on herd immunity, no one is disputing that her kid canât be vaccinated, it happens, but that makes it more important for her daughter that other people are vaccinating. So the fact that she is on an anti vax campaign is very confusing to me.
Sophie Temple EXACTLY. Sheâs just a selfish mother. Who doesnât care for other mothers and their childrens safety also!
Thatâs very ironic and sadly true.
exactly! I'm a person who's had an allergic reaction to a vaccine before (can't remember which one) and I never stopped getting vaccinated. some but not all vaccines have other ways of being put into our bodies for those who can't have it directly injected into us. I get it her kid can't be vaccinated so why the hell does she think that no one should get vaccinated? does she want her kid to get sick???
You do know what herd immunity is exactly, right? "95%" of people need to be vaccinated in order for "herd immunity " to work. Ok, so tell me, are you up to date on your vaccines? How about every one else on this thread? The people you come in to contact with at school? The grocery store? Library? Parks? How about your family members? I know I'm not up to date. Neither is my family... I guarantee that the answer is probably no... so.. with that being said... what exactly is the number right now for "herd immunity"? It's more than likely less than 95% why aren't more people sick or dying from these "eradicated " diseases lol
@@eloisachavez9472 they r .... Last yr was the biggest outbreak of messels in decades ... Coincidence ? I think not
Anti-vaxxer: âthis conversation lacks compassionâ
David: Am I a joke to you?
For real, coming from the one who doesnât have compassion to hear things out
WhyHasGodAbandonedUs she might be apathetic. What a woman.
offtopic but augjvsthrsffjj i love your julian icon qwq
I love ur julian icon
Karen: talks about her kid's experience
Doctor: also talk about his kid's experience
Karen: this conversation lacks compassion
Love this format to share different viewpoints. I think this is what this world needs.
Thank you for providing this forum- so needed and hopefully helping to bring forth more compassion and less polarization, hatred and tensions that come from the common ground of our fears and need for for security and belonging.
You can not reason with irrationality. So there can be no common ground with those who believe that up is down or that the world is flat etc.. No matter how "nicely" you try to convince them = their minds are gone and it will go in one ear and out the other. Their bodies are here with us = spreading vaccine-preventable illnesses - but their minds are off who knows where.
This is why vaccine mandates are finally being implemented in places as these people simply will not respond to logic and reason. Paranoia and incredulity rule their lives now. Something new to think about.
âyouâre too young to have arthritisâ
i can guarantee you no doctor said that.
there are different forms of arthritis, some that affect babies. if her doctor said that she needs to change doctors.
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Doctors say that kind of all the time. Especially to women. Just ask the disabled/chronic illness community.
My brother is 18 and he has gout, when it runs in the family itâs pretty common that young adults show symptoms đ€·đ»ââïž
Ashley MacLellan exactly. i was tested for rheumatoid arthritis and iâm only 16. arthritis affects many different people of many different ages
That woman actually got on my nerves complaining about arthritis and how she was too young. Mate, Iâve had it since I was TWO. Iâm a teenager and I can handle it better than her smh
... I didnât doubt that? Iâve been sick since I was ...well always, but it really took off when I was 13. Iâve heard âyouâre too young for thisâ for ages. In my personal experience, most of those comments have come from doctors.
âThe doctor doesnât know your child as much as you doâ
You know what he does know Karen?
*the human body*
@Jamrs Roberts
Is that why they misdiagnose so often? My friend brought her daughter to the paediatrician several times and repeatedly asked for tests to determine the cause of her symptoms. The doctor kept sending her home. Finally she said after checking online, she suspects diabetes and asked for the child to be tested and he reluctantly agreed. Of course that's what it was.
My eldest used to get strep a lot and if it occurred on a weekend, I would go to a walk in clinic. Invariably they'd tell me she doesn't have it yet I would insist on a swab, cuz I knew. And it always came back positive. I was just so familiar with her behavior I knew right away when she had it.
Ask anyone with kids and they'll tell you stories like this. Ask your parents.
@@snowbird6855 Nice bible
TaiSupreme Edit what? Iâm confused?
@@danaegregoric7278 I just said that because it is a big text, don't worry about it
@@snowbird6855 that's called incompetence. not misdiagnose.
The thing that anti vaxxers donât get is that if a person is allergic to vaccines and canât be vaccinated, that person is actually being protected from diseases by herd immunity, by people who are vaccinated. This is why vaccines are important.
Actually they get it = but they simply do not care. Vaccine opponents by and large are usually consumed with "me" = rather than "we". If you pay attention to what they say to rationalize their beliefs they are almost always emblematic of facile logic and egocentrism for their part. They are not looking at the larger picture here - usually on purpose. Have a nice day.
@@varyolla435 oh god. Thatâs even worse.đ
People in U.S still have discussions about stuff like this? Man I really don't understand how they're the most powerful country...
Anti-vax movements are strong in most developed countries. Because Westerners aren't exposed to the horrors of the viruses these vaccines treat, many take for granted how much they owe to them.
@@jarynn8156 thats true. I live in a "third world " country (India )but i never have heard any opposition to vaccines
@@jarynn8156 yeah I agree
âParents know there children bestâ
Them diseases bout to know your child real good
Evan Markos I YELLED LMAO
I SNORTED
wheww i had to laugh
I laughed
Arnold lander ............. he probably sits there living a normal life, not destroying herd immunity and putting hundreds of thousands of others in the world at risk, and not dying... from easily preventable diseases
My favorite part of this is "just because you don't have the 'Dr.' in front of your name it doesn't make your opinion less valuable"..
Yeah concerning medical advice it does
Lauren Guilmeyer my thoughts exactly! Your opinion is not valuable medical advice if you arenât a trained medical professor.
But..but she knows her kids better than the Dr. SMH.
Carlmdb she knows her kids personally but she doesnât know ANYTHING medically. Compared to him.
I know. I was taking the piss.
I'm a medical student with an engineering degree. I told a friend of mine, who happens to be a firefighter...
"Look, debating me about science with no backing is like me debating you about how you should fight a fire."
No one understands that your child is not just your child but a citizen of the world. Theyâre not just an individual but part of a community.
BAD NEWS TOY PAPA BEAR UNITED STATES OF UHMERICA!!!
Ok so i am from India and for those who have no idea it's because of aggressive vaccine drives our country is free from polio and yaws. Smallpox is non existent now . Due to BCG now many don't suffer from tuberculosis . Vaccines have been boon to us. If u live in a first world privileged society with none of our tropical diseases u should be thankful. If u are anti vax u are nothing but ignorant. Yes risks are always their but trust me u don't want to suffer from polio , smallpox or tb , you have no idea how debilitating those conditions are .
It's a scary thing for me to know that even a pediatrician can be an anti-vax person.....
Dont worry, someone mentioned that the anti vax pediatrician is on probation from the medical board, lol
Santiago PoopPee ScatVore oh yeah. Heâs in it to make money. Heâs spouting garbage
Santiago PoopPee ScatVore what really? I wonder why they chose him for this video then
He might be faking it
Doctors who study 8+ years vs. A person who looks information up. đ€
One of the doctors was not pro vax
@Zoey Bennett lol because doing your research online is 100% accurate right smh
I've seen people disregard proven facts with that attitude
Zoey Bennett where else is she supposed to go?
Farethah where else is she supposed to go?
âIâd do anything to keep my kids safe.â
Except get them vaccinated. (this was a joke)
Non of the "anti vax" parents were saying that no vaccines should be used.. I didn't hear that once. Literally all they were asking for was compassion and to be heard regarding the adverse reactions they and their kids experienced. Just because I won't vaccinate myself with flu vaccines because of the adverse reactions I've personally had doesn't mean I don't think other people who don't experience that shouldn't. I did even get the flu vaccine while pregnant for the benefit of my son and he didn't move for 3 days afterwards, went into severe distress and I ended up with an emergency c-section. Still don't think others shouldn't vaccinate if they feel safe to.
Look at the possible side effects of a give vaccine. Now look at what the infectious disease the vaccine helps prevent also causes in humans infected with it = note the similarity of symptomatology. Thus as both can cause a similar outcome it becomes a matter of which one is more likely to elicit those adverse side effects. History and science show that the chances of your incurring a serious side effect from vaccination is a fraction of the same should you simply catch the infectious disease in question.
Meanwhile the more people vaccinated the better the "herd immunity" = which helps reduce local incidence of the illness = which reduces your chances of being exposed in the first place. As vaccines elicit weaker immune reactions by design than simple becoming infected it bears noting that people unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = would likely react similarly - or worse - upon simply being infected to bear a full-blown infection. So it is always sad when someone reacts badly to vaccination. Yet the reality is that far more react worse to simply acquiring these vaccine-preventable illnesses. Exposure becomes a matter of "when" rather than "if". đ€
â@@varyolla435 If that was true we could compare the health of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people throughout history and now and see who is better off.
No studies like that have been done on more than one vaccine at a time in isolation, and many vaccines haven't even been looked at at all.
Isolated studies, while helpful, don't tell us about accumulative effects and the combination of vaccines at once. (Note these isolated studies aren't vaxxed unvaxxed studies they are partiallyv vaxxed Vs fully vaxxed
So you have to compare fully vaxxed and fully unvaxxed as well.
Also, we don't really know for sure what the effectiveness of vaccines is. We cannot easily assess what percentage of the decrease in death and cases since vaccine rollouts is due to vaccines causally because other things have played massive roles in that mitigation.
It's also easy to misdiagnose diseases.
For example, we know many cases of polio were misdiagnosed and were really something else like transverse Myelitis or GBS , and diseases that may have been caused by other things or caused by polio through other things.
One theory that has never been put to bet regarding polio is that there was a lot of gut cell damage caused by the overusage of dangerous pesticides like DDT and lead arsenate over the 20th century that we knew caused paralysis in animals that we knew caused damage to the lower gut wall.
This would explain a lot.
It would explain why polio effected young children more than adults, because the gut is closer to the spinal cord in young children and polio viruses are contained in the gut microbiome close enough to the spine that it could transport over to it through this damage. It would also explain why every other theory scientists thought explained why polio effected kids more than adults didn't work out.
It would explain why it affected the legs more so than anywhere else. Which is also something doctors and scientists couldn't make sense of with any other explanation.
It would explain why it was so seasonal, and so common in the summer months, when these chemicals were sprayed all over the food. Which is also something the scientists couldn't explain any other way.
It would also explain why polio so badly affected countries like the USA where pesticides like DDT were sprayed to oblivion onto all the food and crops and in the streets. And why polio didn't affect the Philippinos when Americans in the Philippines were suffering so badly.
It would also explain why people in the country and rural areas knew about polio more than in the suburbs.
The list goes on, temporalily and chronologically there is strong correlation too.
So it's not as obvious as you think.
@@althepsyphros3314 đŠ Your cut & paste response typifies the superficial logic behind vaccine opposition. I suppose I should thank you for that example.
Everything you just ranted - everything = belies *NOT* understanding. Your Polio rationalization is an example of incredulity-based logic as you gin up endless "what if......" responses so as to justify your obvious lack of understanding here = yet nothing indicates a desire to rectify the problem.
Polio is not misdiagnosed for the simple fact that anyone presenting with neurological symptoms synonymous with Polio would be tested = and the presence of the virus would show. Vaccine-preventable illnesses such as Polio are "reportable events" and thus anyone suspected must be tested and if positive = that is reported.
Similarly Poliovirus is spread via contaminated water/sewage and accordingly sources of water - such as contaminated wells in your rural areas or pools etc. such as people visit in the warmer weather = facilitate its spread. The virus can exist in the environment for up to 2 months - further enhancing its ability to spread.
So all you ranted is explainable if you understand the science - which you don't.
p.s. - there are loads of safety studies out there relating to co-administration of vaccines on the schedule. Perhaps you should parrot anti-vaccine talking points and conjecture less = and learn the science and study the issue more. So much for purported "self-research". Dunning-Kruger and confirmation bias as always rules for some.
@@govlovesyou1334 You haven't actually said anything you know. So one can assume your understanding here = is similarly nil. So how's the weather in St. Petersburg??? đ€š
"I've had death threats on social media."
From what? Polio? Measles?
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i CHOKED
I wish someone there had said this.
LMFAOOO
Not funny
Dr: i watched a kid that was unvaccinated have 4 limbs cut off
Karen: seizures are very dangerous
yo this made me laugh
@@chaleenbeltran5987 đ€
that crazy guy Me when I heard Karen: I have seizures all the time and while I wonât deny that they are unhealthy, itâs much better than not being vaccinated.
@@finneyhamster9106 the biggest problem is they sound like they google everything so if their kid starts having a wheezy cough they going to think its normal till the kid dies of whooping cough
They are very dangerous as well, not disagreeing with anyone here but seizures can be life-threatening
I'm a teen I'm not an expert in the medical field. But I do know this. Many Pro-vaxxers *are* hostile to anti-vaxxers, and that's from my personal experience, - and reading this comment section. (Personally I've seen healthy unvaccinated kids and unhealthy vaccinated kids, Soo...đ€š)
All I know is I could look a nurse in the face and question them about the shot they gave a child I was close to, (a child who then consequently died) and have them say 'i'd do it again.' And from that day to now, who knows, she probably has.
Your argument here as it happens = is what one would expect from a kid - just saying.
1 - you *ASSUME* all the anti-vaxxers you see here are real people. That is a poor assumption. Trolls/bots/sock puppet accounts are legion on this platform.
2 - asking questions is okay. Presuming to know the proper answer when you admit you do not understand the science however........
3 - the infectious diseases that vaccines work against are real = ergo their impact is also therefore real. In other words stop acting like only vaccines carry "risk" as that is superficial thinking. If a dozen people a year react badly to say the MMR vaccine to end up filing a claim with the VICP in the US = actual Measles alone used to send tens of thousands to the hospital each year before there was an MMR vaccine - it is a matter of historical record.
Thus serious adverse reactions to vaccination are very rare - exceedingly rare. The same occurring as a result of people who catch the illness in question however = are much, much more frequent. You see one outcome or the other will happen because of #3. Your chances with vaccination are exponentially better. Final thought. Vaccines are weaker by design. So a person unable to tolerate exposure to a weakened vaccine = think how they would react to simply catching the full-blown infectious disease "naturally"...... đ€
Alternate title people who studied medicine vs those who just googled it
Melissa: *loses argument* can I speak to the manager
Everyone else: wh-what
Melissa: sorry that usually works
She is a Karen đ
Lmao my name is Melissa and this whole video I was cringing like her name should be Karen
Alberto Garcia bruh how dare u...... u made me snort my milk lmao
Sorry but i just have to ask did i miss that part in the vid or did u make that up đ
Alberto Garcia wait fr she said that
Telling a physician that theyâre wrong is like telling Chef Gordon Ramsey that heâs cooking Risotto wrong.
Well he did say pineapple doesn't belong on pizza and he's obviously wrong about that, so bad analogy
@@jedimmj11 it's a good analogy actually. Toppings on a pizza is an opinion.
The Man With The Dash Cam. Same with the Doctor you refused to acknowledge because you need to "research" and the "risks" and "ingredients."
@@massojupiter3436 I'm just kidding
@@jedimmj11 yeah I thought you were for a second but the " bad analogy " confused me a little.
Your feelings getting hurt is more important than your child's life!? That's fucked up.
They lost the argument as soon as they came forward when said "I am vaccinated" đđ
i feel you on that
"As a parent I know my child best"
But your doctor knows your child's biological situation best. You can observe that your kid isn't breathing, but more often than not, the doctor knows why.
Most doctors actually recommend that you let other more educated people make the decisions because you can actually be more biased towards your own child, whether that they need more assistance or less.
@@sethadkins546 Extremely obvious but correct.
That pissed me off so much when that woman said that. She sounds like an overprotective helicopter parent that thinks she knows everything. Guess what Susan? Reading on web MD isnt the equivalent of going to a university for 8 years
I could just imagine her kid having a medical emergency she brings them to the hospital and the doctor ask "okay what wrong with you kid and what do you want us to do since obviously, you know more, imaging, labs be damnbed"
Yeah... informed consent be damned. Doctors have never lead anyone astray. Why would anyone think they should be the ultimate decision maker when it comes to their own bodies?
"I know my kid better than a doctor does"
Yes, emotionally, this is true. But just because you know and love your kid, would you do a heart operation on him or let a doctor operate your kid? Exactly, you would let your doctor do it. So why is this different with vaccines?
Honestly if their kids will need a heart operation I think they will massage them with essential oils so I just debunked my own point
That's actually one of the problems with self-diagnosing a family member; *because* you're emotionally invested and attached to them, it makes it harder to be less objective.
It's why doctors are strongly discouraged from treating their own family members.
Honestly I can't even begin to understand why you think you know better than a doctor. If my daughter has a cold or flu and she has a different symptom from the normal one I think she's literally dying and if it was up to me she would be doing blood tests and scans and MRI a hundred times a year. When a doctor gives just pain killers I think this person must be crazy. And yet so far the doctor has been right 100% of the time. So no, you don't always know better that a doctor or professionals. Is it possible that sometimes in an emergency a doctor might be, yes. But not about something that's been researched and continues to be researched.
That statement got me, too. I posted my own ranting comment, lol. Knowing your kids behavior doesn't qualify you to make informed medical decisions. Honestly it sounds like she has no idea what herd immunity even is or any understanding of the methods behind vaccines.
Exactly. You know your kid, not the disease.
Let these anti-vaxxers operate on their children.
After shipping all of them to some deserted island where they can give their children preventable deadly diseases in peace.
Vaxed vs unvaxed research has never been done, why?? - Here's an important book: "TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN - Vaccine Science and Myth"
Best book ever
Answer: 100% get vaccinated now
wrong answer
I hate how these anti-vax soccer moms say they do "research", when their idea of research is visiting the second page of google search results
Oskar the second page of google search results is biased, government propaganda
ive done plenty of research none of which was on google but whatever đ
and apparently their research is equal to years of studying and practicing to earn an MD
@@JC-qe9be And with strict restrictions, rules , exams etc.
Burn
âToo young for arthritisâ you realize that kids can get arthritis too, right?
Its like they think juvenile arthritis doesn't exist...
Right? My brother has juvenile arthritis, he was diagnosed when he was 10.
Athritis can be caused by many things lol saying too young to have arthritis is so funny
Iâm 15 and have arthritis and a lot more auto immune diseases..Iâve had this since I was 8 years old..itâs never to young I go to hospitals every 3 months and I see Kids are that toddlers in the rheumatoid clinics...
Lps MineCat yes i agree i am in the same situation i have lupus which causes my rheumatoid arthritis, its crazy how people really think theres a certain age for arthritis, like thats honestly funny.
Can we get them back as an update? Especially the guy who says they test him before putting it out.
Itâs unbelievably disheartening to see how much judgment and hate lies within these public comments. Middle Groundâs mission is to bridge a gap and provide an opportunity for individuals to see why someone holds a different opinion and belief than they do. This channel is to invite compassion, empathy, and allow us to see something from someone elseâs perspective. The people in these videos are real people who deserve to be heard. It takes a lot of courage to voice oneâs beliefs knowing it will be heard and seen by many. Each person on this video deserves a pat on the back and some respect. Please put your pride aside before making a comment that is putting someone else down!
Do you work for Middle Ground??? If not = how then do you get to decide what their videos are supposedly about???
Moral of the story: your "perspective" - aka your "opinion" - is your problem I'm afraid. In matters of public health all that matters is = "science". There is no perspective in science = merely credible evidence or a lack thereof.
Thus poorly formed assumptions and opinions which are subjective to the individual alone and which act to undermine public health = merit no countenance whatsoever. This is not an abstract issue. It is pure cause & effect. When *INFECTIOUS* diseases are allowed to spread and mutate owing to the poor choices of some based upon their whimsical "perspective" = others are harmed. Think harder and stop rationalizing bad behavior.
@@varyolla435 I am simply trying to invite more compassion and empathy into the discussions we have as humans on controversial topics with one another. Your reply seems very defensive and emotionally charged. Iâm not trying to argue science vs. opinion or get anyone riled up. I just care about all people and want to be able to have calm and caring conversations where each party is heard. I hope you, your family, and anyone you know has a blessed and prosperous life! Peace be with you :).
Bob Sears, the anti-vaxx pediatrician, got his licence suspended after causing an outbreak of measles in Southern California.
Cecilie Larsen what?
@@jeremeantinegogogo1096 He refused to give vaccines to his patients and created/used an alternate vaccine program which was never approved which lead to several of his patients getting measles in an outbreak that can be directly lead back to him refusing to vaccinate someone. Because of this his license got taken away. John Oliver actually has an episode that covers part of that nonsense.
@@wowdragonsoul8712 when did that happen?
Could you source that please? Instead of claiming? Thank you....
Knoet Shoot âą Do you not know how to read a YT video description box? It gives a link to his FB page.
âI read blogs.. I know more than doctors do.â Sis, doctors go through 4 years of college. 4 years of MS. 4 years of training in your work (Intern, Resident, Attending). The doctor knows better than bloggers. Bye.
Yuliza Mora-Otanez finally someone said it, Jesus.
This hits differently now
That lady with the bangs takes things very personally. Itâs unfortunate she feels so vulnerable and attacked. Breathe.
Doctor: this is a fact
Mother: no.
Jack Huntsman Yes. Exactly my mom. She says nope donât trust them they know NOTHING
âBecause the internet says soâ
@@sydthakyd98 and are the same ones to say not everything is true, these people are hypocrites
Doctor:this is a needle.
Mother:no that's autism.
@philip trevor And that source is a collection of decades of reaserch, experience and sacrifice. Made by millions...
OK BUT ARTHRITIS IN A HAND VERSUS ALL YOUR LIMBS BEING CHOPPED OFF???????
I'm going to comment on this post because it has too many likes to not have any comments --_--
Can the world stop saying "I need to do my research"? None of these people without a degree have done any significant or comparable "research" to what scientists do.
What do you mean. Do you not realize they are graduates of the "University" of Fakebook/Instagarbage/Twit-R/Faux News........ đ€Ł
Doctors; Learning from years of studying other doctors and scientists' research
Moms; Sees one thing on facebook and calls it "research"
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When I was 6 I scraped my knee while walking so I've decided walking is bad now I levitate everywhere.
Lmao
A bird hit me while levitating. I teleport now
Lmao
Subtext Equals Subtext car hit me while teleporting, I now can phase through matter
@@RighteousPretzel Lmao
âI ended up with...â she acts like itâs a punishment to have a kid with an auto immune disorder
It's not easy on both the child and the parents. So you can't blame her
@@cathy1394 true
Erik The OG I noticed that too
i have an autoimmune disorder. it wasnât great for me or my mom growing up. but you know what? iâm not one of the 1k kids that got measles from antivaxxers this year and iâm really thriving, so even if we do say that the pseudoscience behind âvaccines cause autoimmune disordersâ is true, still better to be vaccinated.
@@kindnepenthe1718 Except it's been found the ones with measles had the vaccine. Imagine that.
The thing the lady said about "a parent knows their child best" is straight up wrong. Yes, they spend a lot of time with their child, but that also leads to biases and information not being communicated. A prime example of this is during a check up when the pediatrician asks the parent to leave the room so that they can have a 1 on 1 talk with the child. A child is far more likely to tell the truth to the doctor one on one then they are with their parent.
Right. Seeing a child every day a parent can become "inured" to their child's behaviors and thus overlook new changes as opposed to seeing the individual intermittently which facilitates new behavioral changes = "standing out". Also a parent despite their best intentions is not qualified to ascertain what might be normal and what can indicate a potential problem.
In the age of the internet far too many today suffer from Dunning-Kruger Effect whereby they Google something and assume they understand when in fact they do not as they lack the requisite background to discern between what is credible and what is not. It leads to a vicious cycle of poor assumptions fueled by ignorance and as you noted underlying biases. It is the problem of our age. Have a nice day.
I fear the day one of these people who doesnât trust their doctor at all has to go to the emergency room or clinic to see a doctor they have straight up never met
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Pro vaccine : i have 2 daughters, 10 and 13
Non vaccine : They are so old!
Lol
@Victoria Ashlyn
You have no clue what you're talking about. Look up the 30 year vaccine program established by Dr Peter Aaby in Guinea Bassau. Report back once you've read the results... if your attention span lasts that long and you can read some scientific research.
Christine Paolini in the years following the introduction of the measles vaccine, reported numbers of cases fell from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands, this is also true for pretty much every other vaccinated disease. Vaccines work, just accept it and stop trying to be different
Anti-vaxx kids don't last that long.
Itâs educated people against âLALALALA CANâT HEAR YOUâ.
IKR
This is so true
Did you actually watch the video? Because it kinda seems like you're the one not listening
edit: I don't promote the antivax movement
It's like arguing with an adult when your a kid.
That lady saying her doctor doesnât know her child... she is gonna have huge bias such as anxiety for her kids safety and overanalyse therefore being less objective. Also thereâs a reason doctors have the title - they train for years critically analysing medical evidence and though some make mistakes, you can get a second opinion but unfortunately most people arenât educated enough to evaluate all the data of each vaccine/disease pathology themselves so you need to trust them at some point.
People often become inured to their surroundings. Thus as an example a person who is beginning to manifest signs of Alzheimer's may see family members as the last ones to catch on as they simply "get used to" what they see every day. More importantly here however is they are not qualified to objectively view what they see so as to reach possible conclusions = whereas doctors are.
So you are correct in that the "it is my child" is not a valid point from which to possibly assess behavioral abnormalities as parents are not trained to do so. A doctor sees lots of children on a regular basis and thus know exactly what to look for as they often see these abnormal behaviors as well as are educated on what to look for. People like to rationalize based upon ignorance and assumption - which is what you see here. Have a nice day.
bro oxygen is also bad because murderers and criminals breathe it every day, so I have come to the conclusion that oxygen will make you a bad person, so I am no longer breathing oxygen, and I am against my children doing it also. My son just died yesterday, but it was probably because of his phone.