Is Abortion Murder? | Middle Ground
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0:00 Intro
0:41 Nobody likes abortions
2:38 Cast spotlight: Rockie
3:04 Cast spotlight: Abby
3:26 Biological fathers should have an equal say in abortions
5:43 Cast spotlight: Asher
6:15 I have had an abortion
7:47 Cast spotlight: Meelah
8:14 Cast spotlight: Christine
8:47 I have had an abortion (cont.)
11:09 Cast spotlight: Ayala
11:40 Abortion is murder
15:14 Cast spotlight: Sebastian
15:41 Abortion should be accessible to rape and incest survivors
19:00 Cast spotlight: Little Dove
19:26 America offers resources to help you raise a child
22:28 Abortions will continue to happen regardless of the law
24:45 Final thoughts
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How do people not realize how shitty it can be to grow up with parents who don’t want you
Because they are privileged
Red herring
No they will never know
a d o p t i o n
@@JohnSmith-px1fm People seem to forget this, I mean how can you justify 60 million deaths? (Legally)
when none of the pro life people walked up for abortions to be accessible to victims of rape or incest, my jaw dropped to the floor.
Yes! This!
How should the value of the fetus change the way its conceived.
In a rape conception situation, there are three people involved: the perpetrator, the victim, and the baby conceived. Who deserves to be killed? The perpetrator? Maybe... The victim? Certainly not! The baby? Certainly not as well. Innocent parties should not be killed.
@@lukemorrison4658 you're only looking at one half of the equation, and it's a pretty black and white view of a complex situation.
@@lukemorrison4658 and when the baby gets neglected because the mother cant stand looking at the result of her rapists actions?
when i was going through a miscarriage i had to go to a women's clinic, and there were a bunch of prolifers outside yelling and handing out little toy embryo babies trying to get me to "stop," when i wasn't even there for an abortion. i don't think prolifers realize that women's clinics aren't just for abortions, women go there for normal checkups, medicine, breast screenings, menstrual issues and more. even if a woman was going there for an abortion, that's her choice to make. but the last f*cking thing a woman who is miscarrying wants to see is a bunch of people calling her a monster and then trying to hand her tiny toy babies. it's so traumatizing. prolifers don't ever consider the lives of the people they're screaming at and trying to control, and it's almost laughable how much they contradict themselves.
fizzickle or a.. 🔁kimmickoll!!😬
I'm so sorry that happened to you
Hope you doing ok now
Wow smfh
i know! prolife is also just a sexist movement, since so many of them are men and they target womens healthcare centers!!! im not here for an abortion!! and if i was YOU SHOULDNT CARE!!!
I was a victim of rape too and I would have lost my mind if I had to talk with that girl omg
I'm so sorry you had to go through that
Hope you are now ok❤
Same with me what she said made no sense
Its awful you had to go through that, but I'm glad your still here to share your existance and make new happier memories
u didnt get the baby and it would not have been baby's fault, if somebody puts a baby in ur house its not baby's fault
“As a Christian” should never be in the conversation when it comes to legislation
Not very freedom of speech and freedom if religion of you. Religion is just organized sets of beliefs. They are just as valid as non-religion based beliefs. You think muslims forget about islam when deciding on who they want to vote for?
why cant she speak from personal experience ?? everyone else was sharing their personal experiences !! 😊😊😊😊😊
@@robertculling7514 Yes but, when passing LAWS, religion cannot be a part of it. We have separation of church and state btw
@@badussywar8938 That clause prevents the state from establishing the church, and you seem to fail to realize that this isn't that
@@badussywar8938 yeah duhhh but they weren't arguing for that 😂😂😂 just let them have freedom of speech to explain their lived experience and personal beliefs
Bro I lost my trust in society when they asked "abortion should be accessible for rape and incest survivor" and they said NO
Lmao you should see the presidential candidates interview in the philippines. There's this one guy that keeps justifying everything from his personal experience and religion
@@okayaibalotmonayangraw that's fvcked up
@@srujanam5911 What's even more fucked up, is that while birth control are not 100% effective and all, what about sex education? A lot of people simply don't know anything about sex or about the other sex's biological stuff.
Which reminds me, the people who are putting anti-abortion laws are extremists. On that thought, what's fucked up is criminalizing natural miscarriages and stillborns. Having miscarriages and such are already traumatic. Being put into jail is the cherry on top.
Back to politics and the law, it's not about having common welfare anymore. It's simply power.
What I hated was in the previous segment, Sebastian was open to the idea of legislation to keep it as an option for rape & incest.
And then didn't come forward.
you didn’t understand the question. those ppl are in VULNERABLE states. what if that was their last time to actually have a kid ? not only that could happen. but now they gonna regret not having the child and is gonna re live that trauma because they had a “choice”
*The hardest period of my life: I had a miscarriage where I would not stop bleeding. I wanted to go the natural route so I opted for the pill. When I went to pick up my prescription from the pharmacy, the pharmacist would not release my medicine because it was against his beliefs. I had to call the hospital to get in touch with my doctor who had just went on vacation. After two hours of crying, being in pain and sheer embarrassment, my medicine was released. I took the pills and continued to bleed for two months. After two months I was scheduled for D&C abortion. Abortions are now banned in my state. I can't even think of what I would've had to go through if I did not have the option to protect my health by having the proceedure.*
Look up the tragic death of Savita Halappanavar. That's where we're heading with these barbaric backwards laws.
Thank goodness you survived and I'm sorry for your loss!
@@TheLegendOfRandy
running stop signs causing a T-bone accident has the EXACT same cause and effect that a vaccine leads to a 20th booster
@@TheLegendOfRandy *Thank you for your sentiments. I just looked it up and that is so sad. These are the reasons why history is so important. So that we can adjust and make effective changes.*
@@ChanelStar1 fizzickle or a.. 🔁kimmickoll!!😬
@@TheLegendOfRandy fizzickle or a.. 🔁kimmickoll!!😬
I really wanted them to talk about the fostercare system in more depth because it is such a huge part of this conversation.
They probably did and it got edited out
Fossil.. Roomzees time..
I don't understand how foster care is related? Are unwanted babies put in the foster care system after they are born? I am unaware of such a thing. My understanding is that the foster care system is for children who are in abusive or neglectful homes or are orphaned. And I am also aware that there a many many people who are waiting many years so that the can adopt an unwanted baby. So, I feel lik that is a separate topic. Many children in the foster care system aren't even legally allowed to be adopted yet because their parents haven't officially lost their rights yet.
@@Godisincontrol777 They should put them up for adoption instead because it’s much safer.
@@RileyShaw-ry7xz safer? Your a funny guy.
"That's why I'm pro life because many women are pressured to abort when they don't want to" So pressuring women to abort is bad but pressuring women to give birth when they don't want to is okay? It should go both ways.
I don't believe she ever said the second part.
@@teofilamadrigal2931 Like I said, it goes both ways. If you think it's not okay to pressure women to abort, it shouldn't be okay to pressure women into giving birth when they want to opt out of it due to their circumstances.
I think what she means is that many women who deep down feel like abortion is a moral wrong are coerced into having an abortion.
Not to say that this is true for every women but she really just wants those women who deep down think abortion is wrong to be pressured to having one which is what the pro-abortion side would advocate for.
There's a simple solution, if you want the baby keep it, if you don't want the baby, if you're not ready financially or emotionally or physically to take care of another living being one should be allowed to get an abortion. It's really not that complicated.
@@hiteshbhagat8437 it is that complicated, your acting as if an abortion is a simple choice, like if your not deciding the fate of a human being.
jubilee really has to understand that we wouldn’t mind watching 75minute videos of these discussions and stop editing so aggressively when the discussions become interesting
update (2024) : jubilee has been incorporating 50-70min videos of these middle ground discussions & i'm addicted😭
Totally agree
Seriously!
Agreed!
Maybe they could make a 2nd channel where they upload almost unedited footage (almost, because there could be situations where you need to cut something, like if someone gets a nosebleed or something like that), so we can see the whole thing.
Yesssss!
It's shameful of the anti abortion people to say abortion shouldn't be legalised for rape or incest survivors. Just coz the girl who was raped wanted to keep the child, doesn't mean everyone does. Some people will keep living with that trauma. Ending up with having a kid which will always remind u of that criminal, what if u never love that kid. Imagine the trauma that kid will go through.
@yn302 yeah, adoption is an option...but that does not help the people who don't want to risk the many health issues that comes with pregnancy and nine grueling months that will cause life long differences to your body to just give up a baby to a foster/adoption agency.
It shouldn’t because it’s a very VERY small statistic to the woman who use this as a way to get out of accountability and responsibility
exactly! if mental health services are there, ok MAYBE. but still, body autonomy, otherwise this is slavery!
Incest "survivor" is not a thing. Even if someone believes in rape expection, incest has nothing to do with it
@@onniruusunen9444 invest survivor isnt a thing? were you hit in the head too much?
The pro life people not walking up for the rape being accessible to victims of rape and incest is disgusting asf
Do they know not know the birth defects that come with inbreeding? Anyone who thinks abortion shouldn't be allowed for incest cases needs to watch Soft White Underbelly's interview with The Whittakers
I am staunchly pro-choice because of this issue. It completely baffles me that there are people in the world who will dig in their heels (usually for religious reasons) preaching that life trumps SA and incest. A minor or adult forced to have the baby as a result of SA and incest is evil, and nothing can change my mind about this.
@@Opalescape what if I said ur value of life depends on certain conditions how would u feel?
@@y3graj Can you rephrase the question? I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking. Thanks! ❤️
@@Opalescape let's make an exception for those cases ( rape and incest) would you still support abortion?
I think whether you agree with abortion or not, people are always going to do it. So allowing them a safe manner to get it done, will ultimately lead to less deaths.
^This
Based
While that is true and I am pro-life, I think more thought should be put in the process of intercourse, how often you do it and how careful. Usually abortions happen when both parents are careless
No law should allow any taking of human life. Abortions are 100% unsafe for innocent human life
That is the stupidest logic. Ur the kind of parent that says, it’s going to happen I’d rather have it happen at my house. Instead of educating your kids to where they decide to not do things because they understand the right thing to do.
If you can’t take a dead person’s organs without prior consent, you can’t force a woman to give birth. Body autonomy is crucial
We agree on bodily autonomy, the disagreement is whether or not those rights also extend to a fetus. People against abortion believe its murder, which is why we want it banned.
@@methenjoyer4090 until a fetus would have a chance of survival outside the womb, it’s still the woman’s choice. I think this is the cleanest definition for legal purposes because it would allow for early term abortions and would allow for compassion abortions (where there are major defects detected in the womb that are known to be incompatible with life)
But you can take the life away from a human being on command.
*or any other AFAB person, but yes :'D
A child cashed survive without its mother even after its birth, Does that mean it's the mother's choice to let it live?
it’s crazy because so many pro-life people want children in foster care to be able to have families but when it comes down to a person not being able to have an abortion , and not being financially stable to raise a child , that puts ANOTHER child in foster care or ending up on the streets. No child wants to suffer their entire life knowing they weren’t wanted in the first place
I'd rather be that than murdered by my own mother.
You assume the opinion of the child before birthing it to give yourself an excuse to say the child doesn't want their life. If you asked a poor child would they rather have the life they have or be murdered by their own mother, I'm sure you'd know they'd pick the former.
@@JustinAnderson-mz9ooactually you’re wrong - many people say both - they are grateful for their mothers and others say they understand what their mom went thru and would’ve understood if she aborted. Read some of the comments :)
Yes, and not all children want to live, and suffer, knowing that they were wanted, either.....
@@wyatrippy some of the comments.
It's all boils down to one thing.
Did you ask that PARTICULAR LIFE CONSENT BEFORE TAKING HIS LIFE?
Jubilee respectfully stop so aggressively editing the videos give me the full 2 hours I don’t mind 🥰😍
I find it hilarious that Christine is Anti abortion because she was pressured to get an abortion. It’s almost like no one likes being told what DECISION to make.
I'm perplexed that she's lost on that herself.
She said she heard his heart beat and there was NO DOUBT it is a life and then she also knows women are coerced into getting an abortion and she wants to help those women. She said multiple times it is her mission to essentially help girls before they abort. ❗️Confirmation bias, you hear what you want to and twist words❗️
Yet pro abortion people don't like to be encouraged to keep their babies so who really likes not like being told to what decision to make 💯
You forgot what she said next: "I heard my son's heartbeat; his life was not mine to take."
The irony 😂😂🙏
When you say “I scientifically believe”…it’s not science it’s a belief.
That phrase literally just means that you believe in a scientific fact… a “belief” doesn’t equate to an “opinion” . Do you believe that the grass is green? If you say you believe the grass is green does that mean that it is no longer a scientific fact?
@@disappointment3090 perfectly put
@@disappointment3090 I don't believe the grass is green..it is.
That is truth
@@brooks2785
And that's your belief.
I think the issue I have is that everyone is focused on the fetus and not the person this is actually happening too. Why are we focusing on something that hasn’t even entered this world opposed to someone who is currently living in it .If it is not your body it’s is not your choice.
Also confused as to why there are circumstances in which abortions are okay. Either you believe it’s a women’s decision to make or not. Why are we making these decisions for women?
If may ask, were you pro or anti mask mandate? Because that's the state forcing somebody to give up thier choice over thier body. But for a reason, because it could save lives. Just like how not having an abortion saves a life.
This is the only channel on youtube that makes me binge-watch. Also agree with people in the comment section, I would be down for extended versions.
I would never want to get an abortion myself, but I would never want that right taken away from someone else. No one should force me to have an abortion, I shouldn’t force anyone to have a child.
Then protect them from rape kekekekekekeke
exactly i personally would never have an abortion but im hardcore pro-choice.
Should you have the right to murder?
Exactly.
If that child doesn't deserve life because it's weak and dependent and troubles someone then aren't we all doomed. Please don't be shamed into thinking you are controlling anyone's body. Take a stand!
The way the “pro-life” people kept saying we need other options, but didn’t give any other options says a lot
Not killing an innocent Human Being is always the best option
@@cathalhendron3941 that’s not what abortion is bozo
@@kaylakuhl1680 every abortion kills an innocent Human Being that is a fact
@@cathalhendron3941 for you
@@cathalhendron3941 to you
Should've add "Should women give birth even at the cost of their lives?" as a question.
You probably also think teens and young adults still using bounce houses is okay
@@earbunnyisgloomy9613 what
@@ivcenbait don't touch my frames again or you are going to the triangle house for a month
@@earbunnyisgloomy9613 literally what are you mad about
@@ivcenbait you probably think it's ok for college classes to do chemistry
My mom is a doctor. My dad is a biologist. They are both super pro-life. But I would love to see a pro-life doctor and pro-choice doctor discuss this matter.
My mom's cousin (an alcoholic) had a horrible living environment for his children with the mom on the streets. In this situation, others should get involved.
As difficult as it may be to work through hardships, you can't just give up. "You can do hard things." I can see how this would be hard to believe in if you are not religious.
Byawluhjee
@@yellowyellowyellow7894 What...?
@@vexahilia_rose fizickle or a kimickol chainj
@@redredred8408 Ah...alt account I see-
Really though...What...?
what
Why did Jubilee select the term "pro-abortion" instead of "pro-choice"? Many people who are pro-choice do not consider themselves pro-abortion. Little Dove explained this well - that the choice is what's important - not that we encourage abortion. It should be a choice of what the woman will endure.
You're 100% right. I've heard of pro choice people who dont like abortion but believe people should still have the choice for one
Well they probably asked them if they were pro-abortion and they said yes. Nowhere in this video does it say that they are pro-choice. Most of these people, especially that despicable women (Rockie) celebrate and like abortion.
Conceptually being pro-choice means being in favour of the legalization of abortion, even if you personally wouldn't use it. Honestly I prefer factual terms like being pro- and anti- abortion to the use of pro-choice or -even worse (because completely dishonest) - pro-life
@@acorns269 my mom is like that, she acknowledges that ppl should have a choice even tho she doesn’t like abortions !
@@franknstein5376 I understand what you're saying though disagree. Many people who believe it should be a choice are anti-abortion and prefer "pro-choice" (though of course, not all). For instance, people who believe abortions are wrong because of their religion but also understand that their religious belief should not determine the laws of a secular country.
Something that bothers me about people who are anti-abortion is when they say 'I know someone who was raped and became pregnant, and they love that child,' as if one woman's experience should or even could speak for all the others'.
When pro-choice people cite extreme circumstances they are merely trying to exploit your moral position. For a pro-life person to not advocate for the unborn IN those extreme circumstances would be morally inconsistent, which is untenable.
Honestly I don’t think it matters wether the mom loves that child or not, the child deserves a life regardless of the sins of the father.
@@jamorains 👏🏾
You are blatantly ignoring the rights of the pregnant woman.
That is morally untenable and violates the Constitutional ban on involuntary servitude.
But here you guys are brining up one woman’s experience of rape and how that speaks for all women getting abortions
Asher has my respect.
I agree we need an uncut version of this, it seems that there was so much that was said and the video was cut short
Ayala needs to realize that her experience is not universal for SA survivors. Ppl deal with trauma differently.
So? Lol
@@SVINTFC wtf do you mean "so"?
totally agree. her situation is quite rare, and for obvious reasons, doesn’t occur often. she seemed to only focus on her experience with rape, rather than trying to listen and understand the view of people who don’t want to live the same way she decided to. it comes to show that experiences differ for every situation or person, but the majority of pro-life individuals can’t and refuse to understand the logic of individuals who want or have had an abortion.
I'm sure she's aware...
@@hawkeye1247 clearly not
the guy in the orange shirt being so indecisive is so funny to me because thats totally how i would act if i was apart of one of these videos
I thought it was actually ridiculous & immature of him, but to each their own I guess. Being a bit unsure at first is one thing, but actually going & sitting down for a few seconds, then walking back up is absolutely weird to me
@@toxicperson8936 that’s what happens when people are given thought provoking questions?????
Treading carefully
@@toxicperson8936 yeah okay
Also he need to be using condoms especially after the first abortion Wtf
The guy with the orange shirt, he may be indecisive but in a way I think it's actually nice to see someone like this in an important topic and actually shows he is open minded and someone who is willing to change his mind if someone can give him logical reasons on their perspective opposing his views.
Though I must admit, I'm indecisive so it kind of reminds myself.
Please explain "someone like this"
I think they merely meant someone who is a fence sitter on the issue.
I'm pro-choice for others..to a point. When Rockie said she "LOVES" abortions, I was as shocked as when nobody stood up for rape/incest victims. It's wild how both sides agreed that the rhetoric is extreme, bc you know it will continue.😢
Also pro choice, I was confused by Rockie's statement as well tbh. If she said that she loves the fact that abortion is a possibility or that she thinks the women who are brave enough to go through with an abortion when they know it's best for them despite all the stigma should be celebrated rather than attacked I may agree at least to a certain degree, but the way she said it and did not elaborate sounded weird to me...also yeah, honestly the people that say that even incest or rape victims shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion if they choose so are genuinely some of the most scary people in the world to me...
that question and their responses also threw me off a little. ive seen plenty of women on tiktok and other platforms throwing parties for abortions, celebrating it, and are very pleased with themselves for doing so. there are so many women using it as a form of birth control rather than other methods. to them, its just another doctor's visit.
@@mause9999 celebrating an abortion helps deal with the trauma of it. It’s a horrible and yes physically painful experience.
Trust me, no one uses it as birth control. Once you have had one, needing another one is a mistake not a choice.
@@twokindsofovenfries32 I've heard women say this before, even saying that it was emotionally traumatic. If it's just a clump of cells, then what's the big deal? What's so "emotionally traumatic" about having a tumor removed?
It's because we all know the truth, even if not all women are willing to admit it. We all know that the alleged "clump of cells" is a baby. A living, breathing human with value and dignity. Every mother knows this. Every human being on the planet knows this, even if they refuse to admit it.
THAT'S why it's traumatic.
@@moriyarose3587no lol
I like that yellow shirt guy is taking his time, even reconsidering his decisions. He is constantly re-evaluating, he doesn't have everything set in stone
He had two fuckin abortion. Why couldn't he use contraception. Are you being fuckin serious.
@@cool28990 we don't know what happened, maybe the mother said she was on birth control but she lied or it didn't work. Don't be so quick to judge
@@athmaid thanks gorden
@@athmaid i meant gordon ramsay
@@cool28990 you realize those don’t always work right?
Ain’t no way in hell I’m carrying a child that wasn’t made from consent
Put it up for adoption plenty families would love to take care of him
@@tuff8582 And give that child a shitty life?
@@tuff8582 ok and the woman’s medical bills?
@@georgiana1147 life is gnna be shitty regardless
But u know what makes life worth living. Loving 1 another. Little moments make worth living
so many prolifers seem to forget how hard and expensive it is to go thtough pregnancy
Hey Jubilee, there are many viewers who would really like to see the whole, unedited conversation. Would you consider releasing it?
I would love if middle ground had a cut version and uncut version.
I would love a bigger, longer & uncut version too!
I think it would show bias to one side.
@@enrijuan96 I don’t think so cause everyone has a chance to talk and get all their thoughts out.
stopp
@@treycoble4331 ?
I’m sad they didn’t discuss what happens after the child its born in more detail. I think it’s a key component to the discussion.
It really isn't.
@@JoeyB0b how come?
@@ESCL2004 Because it has nothing to do with the ethics of abortion. The relevant issue is personhood and competing rights.
@@JoeyB0b you can't just ban something and not look the bigger picture and issues it will cause. Studies show banning abortions doesn't lower the number of them. But it will increase the death of women and illegal business etc. around this subject. Forcing women to go through pregnancy is mentally damaging not only to women but it will also affect the development of that fetus and the wellbeing after the baby is born.
@@eveliinahannele If it's a person it can be murder. I assume most people have no issue with laws against murder.
I think you are misunderstanding me some too. I am for abortion until 20-23 weeks or so because until that point I wouldn't consider the fetus a person.
Abortion access literally saved my life when I was 14 (TW: I was SA'ed by 3 guys in a hs bathroom after a pep rally) and I am forever so thankful for it and have never regretted it for a second. Just putting this out there- to any other women/girls who are in the US (or outside) and are terrified of what the future may hold for themselves or their daughters or mothers (or men who are worried for the safety of their gf, wife, sister, etc), Aid Access is legit organization that provides ahead-of-time care (meaning you don't currently have to be pregnant for them to send you the medication, no questions asked).
I have both a friend and relative who've ordered from them to have it on-hand in case of emergency, because they both have suffered life-threatening pregnancy complications in the past and currently live in a state where they are trying to prohibit abortion EVEN if your life is at stake. Please be safe, think ahead for your safety and those you love, and take care of yourself.
im so sorry that happened to u im glad u had access and support
You should regret it, abortion is wicked and evil. Repent.
I'm so sorry this happened, dear. I wish you a long, wonderful life with people who will treat you like a treasure. ❤
So you chose to slaughter the innocent unborn child. Despite the circumstances of conception, what makes the child not even worthy of life?
@@joebobble2644 Bro do you feel any sympathy for this girl?
These conversations are awesome. I would LOVE to participate one day.
These people need to realize that your experience is not everyone else’s experience. Taking someone’s choice away is wrong and entrapping.
No one took away the choice not to risk pregnancy
Taking someone’s life is even worse
@@leonardodtc1493 Not really. You want forced birth but you don't wanna give the already born people rights? Odd.
@@zachman5150 So you're saying every time you had sex you had a plan? gtfo
@@hooliganlexx Yes, genius. I'm saying, if women don't want to risk being pregnant, they can avoid it by planning ahead-- Yes.
Believe it or not, my wife and I planned to have 1 kid, and did. He's now grown in his 30's and doing well.
I laughed out loud out loud as a part about government resources! I’m surprised nobody talked about maternity leave. six weeks is not enough time with a newborn then finding and paying for daycare which can cost more than rent. it’s ridiculous
That is so true
I SWEAR
Well six months is very generous considering the fact that a company is losing money for that
@@richardabayomi3247 not really considering companies have no problem dropping extra work on the other employees
@@loopymomy2532 you are getting free money without work and still complaining ...... you don't seem to realise companies are a business not charity
Every one of these people had a fascinating story, and one worth listening to. I appreciate that they were allowed to speak openly, disagree, and find commonality on a few things as seemed appropriate.
I am pro choice and will always be thats one thing I will never budge on. Hearing them say it shouldn’t be available to rape or incest survivors upset me because they were talking about how its dehumanizing to them to be considered less than human bc of how they were conceived and I agree but thats more of an issue once its born if a women has been put through something and does not have the mental capacity to be pregnant with a child conceived that way she should be allowed to abort and I believe it could be even more traumatic to go through a birth that way.
Idk I'm 20th booster 🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
But it's not dehumanizing as a rape baby to be disqualified from existence? Why are we never talked ab?! It's honestly so upsetting to see the constant disregard just because there's not nearly as much of us anymore, you don't want us and we're your worst case scenario. Ik u don't know this random stranger on the internet, but still, this college student graduating with a masters in 4 years is what y'all are arguing to abolish, fr?!?!
Damn Ayala’s story caught me completely off guard. I’m shocked she went through something so horrific and still having the views she does on abortion.
It's called maturity.
I think it just means that everyone has different experiences with things which is why people need to understand that everyone’s story is different. Just because you can take care of a baby or want a baby doesn’t mean that everyone can. Everyone’s experiences are different. Also this is another point that I don’t see anyone making but I’m going to put it here for people to see/interact with.
TW RAPE and SUICIDE MENTIONED
I constantly see people saying “Well what about the baby.” “It’s a life.” But what about the mother’s life or the father’s? I hardly see (not saying people don’t but I’m saying I personally don’t see this a lot) people wanting to provide care for those parents. What about the victims of Rape or etc? They are all “pro-life” when it comes to abortion but what about the people who are suffering? If someone is truly Pro-Life then they need to put as much time and effort into helping people as they do talking about the wrongs of abortion. What about a child who was raped at 13 and they get pregnant? They never wanted a baby and still don’t. Should that child really go through 9 whole months of labor when they didn’t even want it in the first place? According to some people they would say yes. Yet what happens after that child is born? Are they going to help? Probabaly not. They only seem to care about life when it comes to abortion. What about the thousands of people who die from suicide? What about people who have lost their homes and are now on the street? No one seems to care about those people but as soon as someone wants to get an abortion they care about life?
@@FeralCat123 Agree, like George Carlin said, "they're all in favour of the unborn, they will do anything for the unborn, but once you're born, you're on your own". And you see it all the time, anti-abortionists are like "life is precious" but once the baby is born, they're like "you made your bed, now lie in it." And if a woman dies in childbirth or as a result of pregnancy, who is going to answer to that woman's parents and explain why her life wasn't as important as the child she was carrying, and justify why her parents have to live without their child, whom they were given the choice to bring into the world?
@@uvwv its called being in denial
@@ernie5036 Grow up.
When we filmed this episode I was extremely nervous because I didn't want to reveal certain details due to fear of my loved ones being criticized on social media, but some of the things that I did reveal that ended up being edited out of the video would of definitely given more perspective as to why I'm Pro Abortion, as well as add to the dialogue of this sensitive conversation. At the end of the day, I'm a bit disappointed with this final product of a video, and I wish we could of came to some sort of breakthrough / agreement pertaining to what's truly wrong or right when it comes to abortion.
I loved how you put yourself in a women’s shoes thinking how they would feel. I feel like a lot of men don’t take the time to think about that when it comes to abortion. I really wished that I could’ve heard you talk more but I felt like you kept on getting cut off. It’s really upsetting hearing that you had to fear about your loved ones getting criticized. I wish that everyone could be as open minded and accepting as you.
Yeah I do feel like there could have been more explanation into people’s stories and conclusions. I really liked your perspective in to the video. It is hard to look at a perspective other than the own with your two eyes, but doing it shows you a much greater picture of the world.
Hi Asher, I dont know if you will read this but please, some of the comments you made about the fetus developing were very offensive. I do not know your personal experience or why you had to have two abortions, but please be a little considerate of life, all life beggins there, in the womb as a little cell, but then this becomes wonderful people who may or may not grow to be great humam beings, such as yourself. We all were just a clump of cells as you said, but some woman respected you enough to allow you to live, is it really asking too much for other women to at least take that into consideration, pregnancy is not just about someones body, it is also about a new life inside of you, being considerate of other's rights including a fetus is also a form of love and respect. I love how the black girl called it for it is "a baby" at least she is aware that she chose to take the life of a baby away, and I personally believe it is important to aknowledge that.
You're clearly on the fence and don't completely stand for much of anything
@@jeremysmith9694 he wasnt on the fence at all. just because you might agree with some opposing points doesn't disregard the fact that youre still on the side youve always been on.
The last time restrictions were placed on abortion, approximately 18 years later, the crime rate skyrocketed. I truly believe there is something deeper going on than our awareness is being diverted from. The people in charge know exactly what effects come from certain actions; the people who own for-profit prisons, CPS, foster care, ect., will all benefit from rescinding Roe v Wade.
You are probably the same kind of person who think teens and young adults still using bounce houses is okay
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It seems like an oversimplification to connect abortion restrictions to crime rates when there are thousands of other factors - which also vary from city to city.
@@analyzea2200 I think the statistics support the claim. Don't dismiss it our of hand. What kind of life do unwanted children have? What happens when mothers are stretched too thin with more children than they can take care of? What happens when a mother's health is compromised and she isn't well enough to care for her children? What happens with families in poverty when they have even more children than they can adequately provide for? Think of how these issues contribute to poor, unsupervised and potentially unloved children turning to crime.
this is going to be really useful for my philosophy work. loved the video
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Yknow, I'm really happy Jubilee brought in people with actual experience with abortion. What I hate about some of their videos is that they often bring in average Joe's with an opinion and little to no facts. Bring in Doctors who work at abortion clinics or used to, bring in people who have spent years studying these controversial issues.
I totally agree with you
I would love to hear from doctors who perform and doctors who used to and don’t and doctors who don’t agree with performing it.
That is a notable debate I would like to listen given their experiences along with other people who are involved in it rather than a random volunteer with their baseless opinions.
Sometimes it must be really hard for some topics to find people who want to openly share their stories on CZcams. With this one particularly people might not want to be looked at different differently in their own personal communities by sharing their views.
Like they did with the one of COVID and Flat Earthers. They brought in scientists and doctors who laid down straight facts
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I’d love to watch this
@@madisonpoitras Absolutely!! Lets make sure that Jubilee sees this!
Omg what would be the point? What’s next Petfree vs Petowners?
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It’s interesting that none of the pro life stepped forward for the rape/ incest question. I guess a child that was raped and forced into pregnancy suddenly loses the rights they had when they were a unborn fetus? What about their life now?
Loved the convo!! Great discussion.
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The fact that there are people who would give more rights to an embryo than the adult human being that has to carry that embryo to term is insane
What do you mean, more rights? We're talking about simply allowing them to live, rather than legally killing them. How is that giving them more rights just by legally protecting their lives? It's the same right to life that all humans are supposed to have.
@@travisjohnson7065 No human anywhere has the right to live inside someone else's body. Be serious.
@@conor.3875 Name one other way any human life is possible.
@@travisjohnson7065 A consenting woman carrying one?
Your moral equation of tearing someone limb from limb and sucking their brain into a vacuum and forcing someone to live with their own personal choices by not tearing someone limb from limb and ducking their brain into a vacuum is insanely misguided.
When Jubilee understands that we'd rather take these discussions as podcasts than heavily edited videos, they'll really prosper.
Well.. both for the reactions we see and the appearance of these people alongside their argument.
I actually hate podcasts, I prefer the way they do it
I disagree, I’d rather watch a person physical reaction when confronted with tough questions. Gives one more perspective.
who’s we? before you i’ve literally never seen anyone complain
I mean, they're already prospering this way tho. Drama gets views
Pro life people say that they care about the woman’s life but nothing they say express that!
What about the innocent child
@@yeshuasaves217 would you rather save an infant, breathing baby or a petri dish of cells from falling
@@fungalcumsock you were a "clump of cells" once life starts at conception 90 percent of biologist say that and I'm guessing your not a biologist so I'll be trusting them instead of you
@@yeshuasaves217 literally what I am like wtf
I’d like to see these pro lifers providing for the children they are claiming to save. I’d like to see how much they give to charity or help the needy.
Show me someone who values life and advocates for the ability to terminate life, and I'll show you a hypocrite
@@zachman5150 me
My friend who is pro-life has adopted 2 children at ages 3 & 4 (now teens). My aunt volunteers for a pregnancy center and they have helped 1000s of women to care for their babies. Statistically, Christians give a LOT more money to charity and to help others than liberals (I am not religious, btw). They are definitely putting their money where their mouth is.
I'm doing just fine thank you
I’m 9 months pregnant and it has been an incredibly difficult process. I could not imagine forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy that was unwanted for any reason or potentially very wanted but dangerous. This experience has done nothing but confirm my prior pro-choice beliefs.
Don’t have sex then
How about make more responsible choices
@@carthy2024 that is literally not what its about.
@@carthy2024 then tell men not to have sex either.
@@taliarachel7193 yes it is…? If you have sex you can get pregnant. If you don’t want to get pregnant then don’t have sex.
I have a problem with the wording "equal say". Biological fathers can absolutely have a say in it, but not equal. At the end of the day, it's the woman who carries the baby. Therefore it can't be equal
It can't be equal unless pregnancy occurred outside of the womb. Men need to stop pretending like the burden of pregnancy isn't entirely on the woman.
Between the conception and the Birth, it's 100% all on the woman. Those that want equal say never consider that.
THIS! Ugh, there is no equal say because both do not have equal responsibility nor equal bodily changes when going through a pregnancy.
Thank you for reinforcing my theory that feminists are hypocrites. We want EqUaLiTy but only when we are getting something.
@@mr.multiverse1087 the situation isn't equal so how will it be equal?
Given how hard pregnancy and birth is (not to mention how painful miscarriages can be), I'm amazed that any woman is willing to carry a pregnancy to term. It's surprising that humans still exist.
Amen to that!
Pro lifers here seemed to be entirely driven by their own experiences and opinions. They aren’t taking in the experiences or opinions of others. Very little empathy
No one is addressing the fact that EVEN IF there was a perfect system out there to aid unwanted children and underprivileged families, the richest, most privileged and educated people will still seek abortions. Being pregnant and going through childbirth and postpartum can be a struggle for anyone regardless of status.
Also, even if there were no financial issues or housing issues or whatever, people should still have a right to bodily autonomy. Women and other people with wombs should be allowed to make that choice, and not be forced to have a child
Bodily autonomy doesn’t justify murder. Abortion should not be used as a contraceptive. The unborn shouldn’t have to be the victims of people’s poor decision-making. (This is in regards to your comments about the privileged and educated seeking abortions. Those who live in poverty / have lower education deserve a more nuanced conversation.) If you have the resources to prevent pregnancy (understanding your fertility, contraception, self-control, etc) you have no excuse to utilize abortion and make another life suffer for your mistake.
@@rachelkocmoud3113 actually yes it does if you’re justifying not preserving life as murder. By your logic, it would be murder for me not to be an organ donor. Maybe my organs would save countless lives but I decided against donating. If I can choose to not save lives with my dead body, I can choose to not save a life with my living body. But I don’t see abortion as murder. I see it as a person choosing to not sustain another life with their own body, and that is okay. I agree that prevention and education are important and that it would be great if abortion rates were reduced. But you don’t reduce them by banning it. You just screw over desperate women and the practitioners trying to help them. Birth control isn’t 100% effective and telling people to “just not have sex” is impractical.
@@rachelkocmoud3113 It depends on whether or not the other person's life is dependent on using your body. Even if the answer is yes, you don't have to use your body to support them if you don't want to. That's not murder. And of course abortion shouldn't be used as a contraceptive, but only because it's inefficient to do so. Should still be an option though.
So??? Just because rich people can and do get away with murder, rape and other heinous crimes, those crimes should be made legal??? What's your logic here?
Little Dove seems like a really intelligent, well-spoken person. I wish we could've heard more from her.
Little dove isn't into Maternal LOVE ? ? ? But rather VULTURE CULTURE ? ? ? ?😢😳😱😵 👐 👐 👐 💔 👎 👎
@@lwmaynard5180 ?
hahah your kidding right
@@lwmaynard5180 wdym
She seemed like a pick me tbh
This was so helpful to watch. What I learned is that this decision is very much an individual experience. I genuinely respect and genuinely truly felt all the varying respectives. This was a very difficult discussion which needed to be had. Thanks Jubilee and folks involved.
There's nothing that 100 men on mars could ever do
Excellent panel!
"Im going to dedicate my next abortion to you"
To me that sounds like someone wanted to piss you off. To hurt you with those words just as much as your words hurt them. I cant imagine any woman walking into an abortion clinic with a YAYYY! attitude
Same thoughts yes!!
Go on tik tok and Twitter. You'll be surprised
@@AJ-lm5dl I see it all the time!
It was definitely for this purpose😂 they get so offended thinking they mean it
Which is probably why they should have an abortion because they display so much immaturity by trying to get back at someone like that. But that might be a hasty generalization.
This really shows internet is not a real place, these people were nothing but respectful. There was no violence or shouting, just well thought out arguments. We should have more of these and i congratulate Jubilee for hosting these.
I guess you didn't notice how many times the black dude got cut off and was never able to finish what he said.
They know they're being filmed for youtube, so 90% of the people on there are not always saying what they want to say simply cus theyre afraid of the backlash they might face of the public
On the internet people can hide behind their screens
Half of them are there because they dont respect women and bodily autonomy so wtf are u on about.
would you act like that if you knew you were being recorded and thousands of people would watch it? please think
I can understand both sides but it is NEVER okay to completely take away someone else's rights just because you don't agree with them. It's important that everyone gets to make that call for themselves bc at the end of the day it's not affecting you personally if someone you don't even know gets an abortion or not!
biological father should have a say but not an equal say
“Many women are pressured to abort when they don’t want to”
Ma’am that’s pro-choice. You are pro-choice. Giving women the decision of whether or not they want an abortion is pro-choice.
Exactly what I thought when I heard her say that!! She’s clearly the least educated person there. She did not bring up any valid points, bringing religion into the conversation. Which by the way, shouldn’t be brought up in discussions about abortion since it has nothing to do with religion. Istg some people need to realize that there are religions outside of Christianity and that people are allowed to have different beliefs than you.
@@catherinebrassard4453 I rolled my eyes everytime she said "as a Christian"
Literally!!! And now since she was pressured to abort it she’s pressuring others to go full term 😭. She didn’t learn anything.
@@catherinebrassard4453 You have to have this conversation with religion. Religion is what our morals are based on and to decide whether abortion is an ethical option it all comes down to what you’re morals are
@Mary Beth birth control can fail, both hormonal and condoms. There are many many reasons women who are already trying to protect themselves from pregnancy may become pregnant.
I wish they talked about the foster care system more, discussed the effects of children in unstable households, and brought a doctor to discuss the abortion process. Also curious what their takes on the death penalty would be. It's silly for them to say we should get rid of abortion and then fix all of the other issues afterward, as if the government is capable of solving all of those problems in the first place.
thank you!!!!
The foster care system is brought up so many times in pro life and pro choice debates. And how I see it is that it is wrong to end a human babies life because of the possibility that they will end in that system or that they might have a bad life. Everyone deserves the right to use the right to live their life. And I can’t speak for every pro life person but I do not for an instant support the death sentence and there are many others who agree with me
@@isuck1427 it's completely the woman's choice what happens to that unborn child, there's a lot of people who grew up in the foster care system that wish they were never born
That doesn’t matter.
But isn’t it the government’s job to take care of its people? I see so many pro choicers be leftist say that and fight for it, yet when it comes to abortion they suddenly change their minds
Great conversation.
planning on doing a commentary on this topic. very interesting
The people who didn’t sit down when the question if abortion should be available to rape and incest survivors are truly despicable.
I completely agree
My jaw dropped. I was 100% sure everyone would have sat down..
at that point they showed that they don't care about life at all
They're just consistent. You can't be "pro-life" and then declare that some lives (like grape babies) deserve to be aborted more than others.
@@b.1162 they are still disgusting and they show they don't care about lives of women bearing those children or the children for that matter
Christine kinda confused because she agreed that the biological father should have a say but then talked about how the biological father of her child told her to have an abortion but she didn’t.
Well, he did express to her that she should get an abortion... but at the end of the day it's the woman's choice. If your partner wants you to get an abortion (or not), you should take that into consideration when making your decision, but most importantly, you should asses what is best for you as an individual.
Edit: Men should have a say, but not the final one.
@@TheVMbros is it a say then? They can max give a suggestion
@@akazienoel2009 You're right it's not a say... but I guess men shouldn't have an active and participatory role in a decision that a woman has to make about her own life. But I do believe that women should at least listen to what the father of the potential child suggests.
@@TheVMbros Oh yea, the father/partner can make suggestions, the final say is hers though. The only problem is that some fathers or family members (without knowing) manipulate her into getting or not getting it
I am confused too, and at the end of the day, it is the woman's choice since it's her health and body at stake but at the same time, if she chooses to have the kid and ignores his choices, i don't believe he should have to pay child support if he did not want the child but if he did want the child, he should get paid a bit of compensation for the emotional trauma that he may have suffered when the abortion happened since fathers often want the baby too and are hurt or scarred when it's aborted.
These anti abortion supporters do not realize they speak from privilege. They have the resources, education and finances to raise a child
Not many people have these privileges. People should make a choice to have an abortion or not, its entirely up to you
But whats more important is that women should have safe and legal access to abortion! You should not worry about other women terminating pregnancy and the unborn "baby" you will never meet 💀
That doesn't really make any sense
So because I won’t meet them I shouldn’t worry about them? What about Ukraine I’ll never be in that country? What about Africa should Americans not worry about them cause most of them we will never meet them? Every life is important and if your in America you already have a lot of privilege.
Y’all act like people arent just having unprotected sex. Yes rape happens, but are you kidding me? Most abortions are just sex, straight up, and sex is 1000 percent a choice. And the fact that you- contraceptive or not- chose to have sex KNOWING THAT THESE THINGS ARENT 100 PERCENT TRUSTWORTHY means that you were CLEARLY ready to accept the consequences of a baby.
@@thereporter9384 The problem is yall don't worry enough about the ones already here. Put that energy into fixing foster care and the adoption process.
@@nikitadondiva the problem is you all want the government to take off you and your family. Take some responsibility
rockie had already lost most of my attention from the start, but when she said “i use she/her pronouns” she lost all my attention lmao
… you… just used her pronouns though… twice in the same comment 😅
also from what i can tell, it is a real woman so yeah she her no matter what
This would have been a great opportunity to have an abortion doctor or ob-gyn at the table to teach about the scientific end of things and clarify abortion misconceptions. The pro-abortion people on the panel are great for the social and experiential explanations, but I would have also loved to see someone who can speak to what specifically occurs medically.
I agree. Having a doctor would be great
THIS!!
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It’s not something you could solve by explaining it medically. If you had a doctor describe a post first trimester abortion it would hurt the argument significantly.
doctors for/ doctors against abortion would make for a great middle ground episode.
I think it would be great to bring a person from the scientific community into this conversation, for both sides. I feel it would bring in a POV of science into this and would further evolve the conversation.
How can there be a person from a scientific community for both sides? You wanna bring an Astrologist (not a real science) to the conversation on the side of the anti-abortion community? lmao
@@THome92 nah bro the morality question only comes into play after defining what’s actually life and what when said life being ended is considered a murder. For instances does life start at the first second of conception when it’s almost guaranteed a baby will come out at about nine months forward? Or does a life start when that being has any kind of brain activity?
Science does not have an answer to that question but it could still enlighten everybody present about the specific weeks brain activity occurs what’s actually happening with the fetus before and after that moment etc…
I personally believe that abortion (at legal period) is morally acceptable and even more important that that is socially necessary… At the same time i think that people should be educated abt and it and ONE HUNDRED % know abt the potential risks AND trauma caused by abortion which could be explained by a medical worker etc…
@Collegestar prob jus less experience with abortion itself
@@THome92 lmaoooo there are plenty of pro-life doctors, I dont understand why yall think pro-choice is science-backed
@@blahblahblah6898 lmaoooo get the pope
I think that a couple people mentioned the foster care system. A few months ago I saw videos where the people on the "pro abortion" side mistakenly believed that any child put up for adoption would first be put into the foster system -- and they were surprised to learn that wasn't true. It wasn't clear whether the people mentioning it here also had that misunderstanding.
I personally don't agree with abortion in a lot of cases because it is a life, a growing person with potential. However, I believe the life, physical, and mental health of the woman is more important because at the end of the day she would have to take care of it, pay financially, and the experience could just overall be traumatic. Which is why I am PRO-CHOICE. While in my case I could choose not to get an abortion if I don't want to it is MY DECISION and my beliefs should not be forced upon others.
The girl who was raped and forced to have an abortion is upset that she was forced to have one, but then wants to force people to not have one???? Girl you're contradicting yourself.
edit: it's honestly so fun to read all the arguments in these replies. i started a war fr 🙏
Where is the contradiction? In both cases she is against murdering a child.
@@genericamerican. She if but she was forced to abort but now she wants to force other girls to give birth
@@genericamerican. in one case Shes against being forced and now she’s trying to force others. It’s not hard to understand.
@@amilakristensen9889 No one forces you to give birth. Once you're pregnant, natural processes lead you to give birth. She's saying that if women don't want kids, they shouldn't become pregnant with one to begin with.
@@amilakristensen9889 she didn’t abort thi, she naturally miscarried
i love how asher gives a personal anecdote because it shows that men don't always have to be against ideas that specifically target women
Oh yeah when men support abortion then they have a say
Yes but not only woman have babies :)
But when has anyone said that “men always have to be in support of ideas that specifically target women”? I think it’s already clear that they don’t and aren’t praised if they do.
Damn that's crazy cause Sebastian also gave a personal anecdote and that "idea" specifically saved his life.
well said
It was interesting how the blue girl talks abot responsibility but was willing to be give birth to a baby while being in an abusive environment... How is that fair?
I LOVE how peaceful this debate is! You can actually hear everyone’s point without them being interrupted!
That blue shirted girl was really educated and humble towards everyone. While i do not agree with pro-life, i definetly respect her, but the way NO ONE from the pro-life side walked forwards when asked if it should be legal to rape, incest, etc victims, i was blown away, and dissapointed. Immediatly lost all my respect.
I personally think that is one if the only time. But damn. Its just so low if a percent
So because someone is born from rape, does that make them less human?
I mean if your belief is, abortion shouldn't be legal because it a human life that is ended then how that life comes to be wouldn't change the belief
And many respect those who hold to their convictions, regardless of the situation
@@jasminespencer2872 doesn't incest make a baby like... Super deformed? Also, why even care that a human baby is dying? It's not like it was ever alive, it's not like it felt any pain
@@marcxworld5708 You're giving a eugenics argument.
Those who say “why not adoption” clearly don’t understand how traumatic adoption is. I was adopted and I’m a birth mom and both sides are….mega traumatic
still better than taking the life of an innocent baby
Right so, death? That's the option the baby has?
I understand that ,but you wouldn't be here right now.
Better to be dead?
Why does everyone think death or non existence as bad? They wouldn't know any different. Death is not the worst thing. And why are we so obsessed with human life above all else. There is so much life that we destroy, life that exists on its own outside of someone else's womb.
Great debate. I love that people here are respectful and have given thoughts to their beliefs
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Happy to see Ayala in this one AND the other one of younger peoples POV 👏🏽👏🏽
Anti-abortion really doesn’t take life after birth into consideration. I was raised by a mother who never wanted children and who was not maternal. She was forced into keeping it. I am a grown woman now and have been in therapy for years because of how I was raised. I couldn’t accept love and didn’t know how to give love.
then why didnt you leave this planet? how is that even an arguement, "their life is gonna suck and they might be depressed we should end their life early"
I'm pro-life because I believe your life has as much value now as it had back then, and that it is NOT defined by whether or not someone else wants you. I can't even imagine how you must have felt, but I'm glad you're getting the help you need. Please always remember that you are worthy no matter what your mother or anyone else says.
@@snakebitepellehue Amen
@@snakebitepellehue It's easy to say those words since you aren't the one who is battling the fight
@@lunamiku4166 Everyone battles fights of their own. I may have been wanted, but was still diagnosed disabled before birth and encouraged to be aborted. My point is that, regardless of what you may (or may not) face, only YOU can decide if you like your life and make whatever changes you need to live better. Nobody can make this decision for you imposing their own criteria.
Riddle me this. If consensual sex is seen as fine and nonconsensual sex is a crime (rape) then why are people trying to force nonconsensual motherhood? If someone consents to having a child then just like having sex that’s is perfectly fine, it’s when consent is taken out of the picture that things start to get twisted.
because the mother is avoiding responsibility and unwanted fatherhood is supported so why not?
it takes 2 to tango however that argument only applies when the child is born..sad
no one wants to talk about that cause they know you have a valid point.
@@missprettyschannel It's not a valid point AT All
@@zachman5150 It is a very valid point which the person is making actually
At the end of the day, we could find things morally wrong no matter what side you're on. But, only one side creates problems for society, and that is forcing people to have babies. Also, if you look at the statistics, there are more abortions in countries that have made it illegal. I'd also recommend people look up what life is like for women in countries where abortion is illegal. It really does have severe negative implications for woman and unwanted child.
That trauma is not a core trauma because it actually came from a different time years before
@@whitewhitewhite2446 What do you mean?
I love Rockie and Little Dove, so well-spoken.
"I love abortion" is a very strange statement if you ask me (and I'm pro-choice). Being pro-choice is about a woman's right to CHOOSE, whether that choice is abortion, adoption, keeping the baby, ... It baffled me how not everyone came forward for the first statement "nobody likes abortions" because no one is undergoing an abortion just for shits and giggles and it most definitely is not an easy choice.
Tik Tok would say otherwise. Sadly.
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I agree
Although an extremely low amount of people do probably like abortion. And i mean like a 0.000001% or something like that
i mean I don’t know if they meant it that way. I think they meant I love the fact that women can have abortions. Not sure tho
I thought the same thing
The girl that stated that abortion following rape is continuing the cycle of violence failed to also take into account that forcing a rape victim to stay pregnant as a result of rape is also continuing the cycle of violence against the body of the victim. Pregnancy can be brutal, the baby is sapping away the nutrients from the food you eat, pushing your internal organs around, altering your mental and physical state.
Allowing life is not violent. Taking life is violent. There is nothing violent about a pregnancy, about the nurturing protection of the innocent unborn child. I can guarantee that bringing life into the world is a lot less brutal than snuffing that life out in the very place that is designed to be its sanctuary.
@@travisjohnson7065 maybe we should teach *men* not to R women then? 🙃
@@sammierose1150 Not really something that needs to be taught. That's like saying we should teach people not to murder. It's just basic morals. But two wrongs don't make a right. If something bad happens to you, that doesn't give you the right to do something bad yourself.
@@travisjohnson7065 pregnancy is literally known as one of the most painful things anyone can ever experience. Women tear from their vagina right through to their anus, they take weeks to heal. Nature can be violent. And it can be traumatic. A woman’s body is not a sanctuary for a man’s desires.
@@shaygray4552 Just because it's painful, that doesn't justify killing the unborn child. It isn't their fault pregnancy is painful. It isn't their fault that they were created by their parents, and they don't deserve to die just because their parents wanted sex without the responsibility that comes with it. You're right, a pregnant woman's body is a sanctuary for her child. Not a man's desires, but her vulnerable child's life. This isn't about men, it's about that child and their right to not be slain in the very place designed to be their sanctuary.
Sooooo... I would like to share something. I'm a Muslim. And in Islam, there is a difference of opinions among the scholars concerning abortion. HOWEVER, most scholars agree that it is allowed in the first 40 days of pregnancy which resulted from dire reasons such as rape or adultry (including incest). I believe that is a fairly reasonable answer if you're looking for middle ground. Just my opinion 😊
Edit: Also abortion is totally allowed if the pregnancy endangers the mother's life and health because she is the priority.
Very interesting discussion. I thought Sebastian was very well spoken, very calm, very meek, and very articulate.
I found him sort of manipulative, especially towards Asher. It was as if he was specifically branding things in his own views to act as if it's all black and white. Just my opinion though
Something I wanted to hear about was the fact that some women don’t know when they’re pregnant. People sometimes miss their periods and it be normal for them. There’s still this uncertainty where it’s like oh wow I didn’t realize this was happening to me and I don’t want this. The anxiety from figuring out something is happening to ur body and not being able to do anything about it is wild.
I totally agree with you 💯
wtf, if you ask me, that's irresponsible. If you have unprotected sex, you should regularly check to see if you're pregnant. If you have unprotected sex and you miss your period, that means go get a check up. Tf is wrong with you.
1+1=2.
@@Hashem1271 people still can get pregnant with safe sex…
@@Hashem1271 People can have "protected" sex and still get pregnant. Sometimes condoms break, and birth control does not work. Getting pregnant does not automatically mean irresponsible. My aunt got pregnant even though she was on birth control. It can happen to anyone.
@@fartonmeortman4206 I was referring to people who choose to have unprotected sex. -.- Cmon bud try to keep up.
I've lived in a country where it was criminalised. I had friends at 16 ask to get pushed down the stairs to abort. Another friend tried overdosing on medication, and another used a coat hanger. Abortion will always happen. But to criminilize it, we are saying the fetus has more value than the life of the woman.
It will always happen, jist like murder, just like rape. Should we create safe environments for the rapist so that they don't feel their lives are ruined by prison time?
@@agathachris9722 you're so true wow
fetes means small child in latin. there's a human inside of the mother....
@@agathachris9722 abortion is not the same as rape and murder. murderers and rapists have victims and are a danger to others which is why they need to be locked away.
over 90% of abortions in the us take place before 13 weeks. at 13 weeks, fetuses cannot feel pain, they do not have developed brains, they do not have consciousness and they do not have memories so they cannot be considered victims. abortion is not something that a 13 week old fetus can "experience".
also women who have abortions aren't more likely to be dangerous to others like murderers and rapists are.
@@agathachris9722 Bruh what?? Are rapists forced to be rapists?
For the women who are raped and decide to get an abortion... are they equivalent to murderers and rapists? You can't even draw such a parallel because the circumstances behind either are not the same.🤦♀️
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You probably also think teens and young adults still using bounce houses is okay
you can tell asher actually wants to hear from both sides and come up with his own opinion