Doctor Reacts to Middle Ground: Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine
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Many of you have messaged me on IG, Twitter, and FB asking me to respond to this new video between Pro-Vaccine and Anti-Vaccine arguments. This is a hotly debated topic so lets please be respectful in the comments!
Jubilee Media has an excellent series called Middle Ground where they have folks with opposing beliefs on controversial topics sit beside one another to discuss their views. I have long been a fan of this type of moderated content and applaud Jubilee for setting this up.
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"Safe-ish"
Ok, lady, so are airbags in a car. But if I'm about to slam 70 mph into a wall, I rather trust my life in something that's safe-ish than find to out if my body can live without a head.
Seat belts can cause injury but they do more good than harm!
Good fucking point
Amazing way to put it. Puts her reasonings to shame
B-but you see! My daghter suffrs from an aibag allargy. That's why airbogs should be ellegal! It is a unethical thingy and it interfers with the chemical molecular imbalance of the potassium levels within the ribosome as well as produces frequent anaphylactic reactions within a 5km radius.
I'd like to say that this is sarcasm and I actually DO BELIEVE IN AIR BAGS! Also:
1) I do not have a daughter
2) I purposefully put spelling errors in to imitate the breed of anti-vaxxers
3) This is meant to imitate the logic that anti-vaxxers apply to vaccines
4) Have a good day/night!
Chicken Schnitzel Wait are you sure you know what we are talking about? The airbags that inflate if you get in a crash so that you don’t bang your head. What your daughter allergic to?
What I don't understand is if your child cannot be vaccinated due to adverse affects, why would you then advocate for anti vaccination? Your child is now a part of the group that relies on herd immunity...advocating for anti-vax just puts your own child at even more of a risk...🤦🏾♀️
Their making everything the same so they are not left out.
It's so hard to get rid of your kid without people judging you these days
Becky Cepeda thinking that through the entire video
Because they care less about their child than they do about being considered an idiot.
I commented this once and an anti vaxxer told me herd immunity isn’t a thing and that vaccines don’t in fact work...they’re so deluded
Just imagine being the pro-vaccine doctor who probably has 15+ years of studying, looking at countless studies, and practicing medicine only for a wine mom with zero understanding of medicine to tell you "you're wrong."
Just imagine being a pro vaccine doctor with 15 years of studying and having COLLEAGUES who are also DOCTORS with 15 YEARS OF STUDYING who are anti-vax. I imagine it's a huge reality check of making you realise not every Doctor know what he's doing.
I;m a wine mom, and I wouldn't say "you're wrong." i just wouldn't take my kids to that doctor in the first place. all i want is for the doctor to agree with me and my needs for my children. that's all i ask. it's not asking too much.
@@dhsarah570 you don't want a doctor. You seem to want a yes-man instead.
Hey look, it's a random alphanumeric string username posting a blatant and easily dismissed logical fallacy. Sure is legitimate discussion in the comments section today.
exactly@@VDA19
"i did my own research"
You mean, you googled it and found 68 results that contradicted your opinion and found ONE that validated it.
only 69 results were found
I make my decisions based on multiple experiences. My brother is dying. They told him his original symptoms were normal, and then it only got worse. I've gotten sick too. So have others I've known. I'm not trying to take vaccines off the market or recommend others don't take them. But I shouldn't have to
@@MajorMango28No, maybe you shouldn’t, and that’s why the rest of us has to take them. To make sure that people like you who are unable to take them get protected
"Do vaccines cause autism?"
"Well, I have ten thousand results that say they don't, and one result that says they do..."
* grabs the one * "I knew it."
"Just because I found it DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE!"
-If Google Was a Person
@Totsrocky very reasonable. I encourage anybody to do for their health what they have to and I trust doctors give you the info you need... I just don't think it should be legal to require people to take vaccines and I can't think of a situation where it should be required for anyone to do anything medically to enter any workforce apart from be healthy
"You're downplaying the risks of vaccines."
As opposed to downplaying the risks of measles, polio, smallpox, etc?
Exactly. There was a french doctor that showed what those diseases actually do... This is beyond frightening...
@@nhiko999 There was also the whole entire existence of humanity up until the point of the vaccine invention in 1796 to use as an example. I mean so many people died from diseases we can now cure and virtually eradicate. Why would that ever be a bad thing?
@@EOR2742 my favorite argument when discussing with an anti-vaxxer is when they say there were people around before vaccines. Whether that be because they buy in to the doctor conspiricy or to state if humanity was fine without them before then there child doesn't need it now. yes there were people around, but many of them also died.
Very very accurate. Measles can complicate as encephalitis, which has poor prognosis. Smallpox was extremely deadly; there was a reason it was the disease we first developed a successful vaccine against. Anti-vaxers who still claim autism is linked to vaccinations (despite it being disproven several times), how do they prefer polio or permanent damage/death over autism for their kid? There’s a very small group of people who cannot safely receive vaccinations, and rely on herd immunity. In my country, we are discussing not letting anti-vaxers (by choice) put their children in public kindergarten. It’s a tricky discussion with strong opinions on both sides. On a population scale, vaccines save more lives than they take by a ridiculous factor.
No one gets smallpox anymore. My risk for having no immunity to smallpox is zero. You know why? Because vaccines work so goddamn well we eradicated the virus. Smallpox and rinderpest are both completely eradicated.
"my child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine, so they can't be vaccinated"
So... Shouldn't you be advocating for others to vaccinate to stimulate herd immunity to protect your child?
Caseh honestly though I feel you. Like why in the world would you want your child at more risk.
Honestly that lady seemed like she felt attacked by people attacking anti-vaxxers... Her reasoning is incredibly stupid. She just feels like people judge her child. We don't. We want the other children to get vaccinated to help HER. Wish she doesn't get polio because of other idiotic anti-vaxxers.
thought the same.
I also thought that she seemed very attacked or judged. And she maybe also has good reasons for it. I heard a few stories of parents whose children had adverse effects after vaccines and the doctors did not believe them, and I think that must be a horrifying situation. I still believe that you should definitely vaccinate and that the benefits are very high.
But I think it is horrifying if doctors downplay issues or if they do not try to search for the cause of problems because they think the patients exaggerate stuff. The one women told her history of visiting many doctors because of her arthrities and no one looked into it enough to help her.
Well that sounds way too logical
I hear the safety of vaccines all of the time, but when I hear someone say that they cannot take it, but everyone else should. Spells Bull * to safety. Heard immunity is this bull * mentality of others that believe the world is a near-perfect place. When instead, We have plethoras of people that run across the border everyday into the United States, Take international flights and land in the United States with ILLNESSES. COVID-19. bleh. There is a time and a reason for a Vaccine, there also ISNT. Because the law of nature works against us. The illnesses that are going to let us sit and rot in a bed for the rest of our life such as polio. is a GOOD reason to vaccinate. Something absurd such as the FLU, or Hepatitis is a dumb reason. Because we are breading SUPER BUGS.
If your child has an autoimmune disorder you should be PRO vaccine, even if it means not vaccinating that child. You need the healthy children around your child to be vaccinated so they don't spread these preventable illnesses to yours
That's not the issue. The controversy isnt about weather a person should or shouldn't get vac instead, it's about weather or not it should be mandated and if people who refuse should lose their job or be jailed or fined into poverty.
calling an mrna gene delivery system a vaccine is the biggest misinformation.
everyone would be anti mrna gene delivery systemer
My best friend’s wife has Fibromyalgia and is anti - vaccine.
@@williampennjr.4448a mandate that is the direct result of the belief that you should be vaccinated and the fact that an overwhelming number of people didn’t want to get a vaccine for a potentially deadly virus that spread via person to person contact. Could you imagine if the number of people who didn’t want the covid vaccine would have been against the polio vaccine? We would have had millions of other people dead or in iron lungs and the virus would still exist and still be infecting people, but thanks to the vaccine and the mandates put in place and followed during its outbreak has literally eliminated the virus in the US. Guess where it isn’t eliminated? In certain 3rd world countries that didn’t have a vaccine and is only being treated and prevented by vaccines provided to them by the CDC as it’s goal is to eliminate the virus globally. Much like the Covid outbreak, polio also caused the government to close schools, public places, and also encouraged social distancing, along with the vaccine having potential side effects that included possible paralysis. Vaccination is nothing new, just as viral infections are nothing new, and the science behind their creation and use is pretty rock solid. Now if people who were unvaccinated couldn’t spread and infect others with the virus then vaccination probably wouldn’t be mandated, but it can and is spread by people so you put others at risk, not just yourself, when you remain unvaccinated during an outbreak of a potentially deadly virus…not sure what’s so difficult about that to understand.
Unless you study the information connecting the ingredients in vaccines and autoimmune issues.
My grandmother was a polio survivor. she spent time in an iron lung and lost the use of her legs for the rest of her life. My grandfather lost hearing in one of his ears after a childhood bout of the flu. I had RSV at 2 months old, and have struggled with serve asthma my whole life. refusing to vaccinate your child against illnesses with common harmful side effects because of a one in a million side effect (or worse, a 'side effect' that has been THROUGHLY DISPROVEN) makes me enraged
If you're alluding to the massively debunked connection between autism and vaccination... I hear you! I was diagnosed ADHD in my 30s. My family suspected I was autistic for years before then. (ASD and ADHD can have overlapping symptoms.) Some of my more fringe relatives implied that my issues (that turned out to be ADHD) were caused by my childhood vaccinations. It's a good thing I wasn't present for that conversation cause I'd have had a tough time keeping my cool and debunking them vociferously. ADHD is genetic and I likely got it from my undiagnosed mother.
It also is a horrible thing to say to autistic folks, too. The implication is that they would rather have a maimed or dead child from a preventable disease rather than risk having an autistic child!
My grandmother was also a polio survivor. She was 100% Pro vaccine.
@@jessicaharris1608I'm autistic here and yeah, even if it were true, (figurative "you" incoming), you'd be choosing bringing polio to everyone like it's the 1900s again over being awesome and having a whole community of folks online who get it?
It's like being anti-surgery because there's a death rate for every operation.
Good point I am now anti-surgery
So you die later guaranteed while in pain or you take the risk of living longer without the pain/dying on the table while already knocked out..........I’ll take my chances of dying on the table. Unless circumstances state otherwise.
Azure Blaze To each there own!
That's such a great point.😄😂
0x39 no. It's like doing a cost/benefit analysis before EACH INDIVIDUAL surgery.
Too bad we don't do that.
Oh wait...
"In the end, parents know their children best."
"I actually very much disagree with that statement. The closer you are in relation to the patient, the more likely that your bias is gonna be at play, and you're not be able to make an objective decision."
Love the way he politely disagrees and gives a logical explanation.
That's I respect Dr. Mike. In that situation I would've been "You know as much about your child as the Russians knew about Chernobyl in 1986, how'd that turn out"
Sam Shim My doctor knows me better than my parents
🥺so admirable
I agree with him, but not for the reason he gave
@@donnyshields4450 just curious, but what's your reason? 😶😊
As a doctor myself, I have had an extreme reaction to a vaccine (anaphylaxis). But I have also have seen children with diseases that could have been prevented with a vaccine. Because of that, I make sure I do my due diligence, but my children are 100% vaccinated. Also because I have seen children with preventable diseases I will always make sure my patients have all information at their disposal before they make their choice.
All that said, I love Dr. Mike's take on this, I love how he listens and add input as needed and never attacks the person, just provides his own insight on the issue they brought up.
So, what information did you provide your patients for the mRNA therapy? Informed consent was not possible. Hmmm.
@@jennifermarlow. provide them with what was available so that they still could make an informed decision. They had the right to refuse, I wasn’t forcing it on anyone
As an executive in a pharma R&D corporation, I will say the adverse effects of vaccines are not appropriately highlighted and many are removed from the statistics and trial data as outliers when the % are higher than wanted. The study or trial specifications are just changed to reduce the unwanted data and include the wanted data.
Once the trial is over only the “final” report is issued to the peer review.
They have also cancelled trials in the middle of the process when the data is not positive. That trial is never presented.
Well they dont really teach selective publication and other publication manipulations in the education system hence these things do not really exist in the subjective world of the majority of the herd.
No pharma executive claims they are lying. You obviously don't work in pharma
Most people are so unaware of this, and actually trust. It's nuts. Consider that the FDA has now said Ivermectin is okay. But trials were halted midway, so that the mRNA therapy was approved. Because there could be no treatments available, lest the shots would not be approved. Yeah, some of us are onto it.
That seems like a problem with how we do and present vaccine trials, not a problem with vaccines.
The public should have clear and accurate information on vaccines, but that doesn't equate to the core messaging of the anti-vax community. I wish we had that conversation before jumping to vaccines are conspiracy tools of control and destruction.
Anti-vax mom: We know our kids best
Every teen ever: Loud typing of LMAO
My druggie deadbeat tried to stop me getting vacinated 😂 he forgot he had 0 custody
LMAO
@@arthurmorgan9449 bro that made me die from laughter honestly
Yep. 99% of parents don’t see their kids realistically at all.
LMAO
There’s a saying that goes something like this “Winning an argument against a smart person is hard. Winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible.”
ok boomer
I agree with you. At least a smart person is rational.
bruh never heard anything truer in my life. smart, rational people will listen to your points, combat them appropriately, and are always open to be educated. having an argument with a person who is ignorant is like trying to talk to a tree stump - you have to repeat yourself over and over again and they'll never listen to your points. it's incredibly frustrating.
@@ZmZm525 ok boomer.....the new catch cry of the terminally ignorant with no real argument to add to the debate. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat, dont you?
@@heatherrowles2580 It's a misplaced reply. It doesn't apply to this situation but it is a valid response.
I once had a nightmare where Antivaxxers took over the UN and banned vaccines and Autism. Then there was a knock at the door. I woke up before I could open the door.
How can you ban autism? 🤔
@@SBerTtube You "concentrate" people in "fun camps"
@@SBerTtube look at history it’s happened well not just autism any mental and physical issues
@@aryabiss9445you can just withdraw autism as a mental disorder, just like they removed slaves wanting to run away from their owners as a mental disorder (of course the two aren't comparable whatsoever, just an example of mental disorders being reclassified).
In my opinion, I agree with Dr. Mike that no one should ever become anti-vaccine because of a negative experience themselves (as long as the vaccine has gone through the proper trials and is safe to use in general). Imagine if the kids with Polio had originally chosen not to take the vaccine; nowadays the illness is essentially gone because of the use of vaccines.
and it's coming back, along with smallpox, because moronic uneducated people who get their information from Facebook think they know better than science and medicine and DECADES of research.
I agree to a point, but if there are excessive "negative experiences" a research should be done on why are they happening and most importantly how to prevent them.
If we take one sided approach we can be sure medicine is deteriorating
@@BruhImAGirl they are re-evaluated. Like with the J&J Covid vaccine. They found out it had some small chance to cause something and it was looked at. The problem is that anti vaccine people will take that one negative thing and just run with it and won’t be open to the rest of that process.
Polio is actually resurfacing in the US, I wonder why.
That is why none of my kids got the covid vaccine.
I am from Bangladesh, which is a third world country. Before WHO and the government stepped in, hundreds of kids used to die from preventable diseases like measles, small pox etc. My own cousin died from small pox at age of 2 because she didn't receive the vaccine on time. Hearing people in the 1st world country saying vaccines are harmful makes me really sad and angry at the same time.
Thank you for your testimony Jafreen. Unfortunately those who have never seen the effects of some of these terrible but preventable illnesses can never grasp the severity of it. They have the power of corrupted hindsight were they did not see the effects and assume all of these illnesses have been eradicated. They are the result of decades fighting preventable, through vaccinations, diseases.
I am not a fan of cliche"but those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
I think this is what people need to hear. We used to be just as vulnerable to disease, which is the whole point of these movements to get vaccines to kids all over the world... we were trying to give them what we had, that feeling of security in knowing that diseases that used to ravage communities were now a thing of the past. If such a miracle medicine exists, it's a moral wrong to give only to a few people. So we in the US are pretty amazed, too, that anyone would dismiss that astounding opportunity out of fear of a rare adverse reaction.
I'm sorry about your cousin, and she is one of the many reasons why I will be fully vaccinating my son. I cannot relate to your story, but I know that there are too many out there just like your cousin.
Not only do I have the privilege of living in a 1st world country, so I have easy access to vaccines, but I'm Canadian... so they're free. I would be a complete and total moron if I didn't take advantage of that. Sadly, I know people who think that because there are scary sounding ingredients (such as dihydrogen monoxide) in vaccines, that they're unsafe. Even the mercury used in some of them, thimerosal, is less dangerous than the mercury in fish.
Now, yes, there's risk associated with vaccines, but there is risk to everything, and an even greater risk when not vaccinating. There are outbreaks of measles in the US and some cases in Canada because people aren't vaccinating.
Completely agree with you. I grew up in a public school where some children was absent during vaccination day in my country and one of them ended up with polio because they didn't get vaccinated (it ran out).
I'm sorry u lost someone... Believe me... U can't reason with antivax people. It's just... Idk
Help, I have fallen victim of one of the many side effects of vaccines.
Adulthood.
Sir Homie Nice One LOL 😂
@Sir Homie your life is practically over
@@Nek0oo0o Are you ready for Persona 5 R?
😂🤣😂
PFFFF-
I actually really enjoyed this. I am pro-vaccine but I also believe that people should have choices and understand that this is a super complex issue. I had a bad reaction (allergic but not anaphylactic) to a certain vaccine as a young adult. It made me afraid to vaccinate my kids since we did not know what ingredient my reaction came from. Thankfully my family doctor was good at discussing risk versus benefit for each individual vaccine and each child. We both agreed to space things out and pay close attention to possible allergic reactions for each shot. We eventually got the kids fully vaccinated (minus the chicken pox shot which is what I reacted to).
If every doctor was like your doctor much of anti-vax group wouldn't be anti-vax. Like that is literally what I want to do with my future kids, space things out and avoid the flu shots since I had a reaction to that.
Becoming a parent doesn’t grant you a medical degree or make you a therapist. You’re well-intentioned but to say that you know what will or won’t hurt your child from a medical standpoint better than someone who has spent their life studying medicine…no, you don’t. Respectfully, you don’t.
Dr. Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine, also had serious concerns about its use as a Covid vaccine. Respectfully - I tell you that maybe you should have been listening to what he had to say - along with the long list of experts who weren't "anti-vaxx" but who had serious concerns about this particular one: you should also ask yourself why on earth were they never allowed air time to voice those concerns?
@@jackspring7709respectfully, I’ll trust the other thousands of doctors who say otherwise :) also, he didn’t “invent” the mRNA vaccine, he was a minor contributor among hundreds of other scientists, though I don’t blame you for this one, because research literacy is a very niche skill.
@jackspring7709 being skeptical about a single vaccine should not make someone an anti vaxxer though
"I ended up with a kid with an auto-immune disorder."
She's making it sound like the kid arrived from the factory broken, smh.
ahahjahhahaha thats a good one.
Yeah, she says ended up as if she didn’t even want the kid
The mother is clearly the shitty factory
The mom had arthritis that probably from autoimmune disease too, she doesn't realized she passed that down to her child did she? Lmao
@@DillaVesperia ah ah ah, Disorder. That distinction is very important. that child is not diseased, they have a disorder. that can be very disheartening for people with the disorder. Unless they actually do have one of the diseases, then they're probably gonna die in todays world...
Trained doctor: "The side effects are one in a million"
Internet mom: "no"
Internet mom: I disagree
I mean they did clarify that was for anaphylactic shock and that other side effects are more common. Ofc the reasor that is a seizure isnt as impactful as the disease so the main thing being to anaphylactic shock to not getting the vaccine
that made me so FUCKING MAD
Internet mom: I like my opinion better than your facts
"That's not a real number"
This is the most important video of yours that I have seen, considering that it could actually save lives. Thank you Dr. Mike!
The problem I have with these Jubilee videos is that there are no fact checking. No one is there to moderate definitions of terms, no one is clarifying statistics or claims, and while I understand it's just a discussion, it's impossible to change the minds of people whose ears are closed.
mellissa is right, her child shouldnt get vaccines, but telling others to not get vaccines as well, is wrong. its like saying, oh im allergic to peanuts, so you shouldnt ever eat peanuts because my daughter had a allergic reaction to peanuts. yes your child shouldnt get vaccines since theres a reaction to the body, but telling others, to not take vaccines is not right.
Agree people shouldn’t prevent others because of personal experiences
Agreed. Though I wouldn’t use this metaphor with anti-vaxxers. Just because we as a society DO ask other kids at schools not to bring peanut products so the kid with peanut allergies doesnt have a reaction.
I understand what your saying, but antivaxxers are very ______, so they can easy get confused.
my younger sister had a kidney reaction to a baby vaccine, and as a result, she had to be hospitalized for a few weeks, and she will not be able to get that specific vaccine again, and others that may have the same outcome. however, my family and I are still on vaccines. if my sister cannot get this vaccine, she is at risk of having this disease, and to avoid this it is necessary that the people who have contact with her have the vaccine. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, and those who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated.
took the words right outta my mouth 💯
Also, if anything, shouldn't she be encouraging others to get vaccines to create that herd immunity since her child couldn't get vaccines?
These "moms" take a personal specific case and think it can be applied to all cases.
It amazes me how these people think their sample size of one (without controls, data, analysis etc.) is greater evidence than 3 clinical study phases involving thousands... not to mention post-licensure monitoring of vaccine safety. They mention risk-benefit analysis but yet seem unable to perform such even when faced with expert opinion and evidence. Protecting kids from vaccinations is like telling a kid not to wear a seatbelt because it may cause bruising in an accident.
yes they have a bad effect to vaccines they think vaccine=bad
Wait I agree with your argument but the use of quotes around moms has me very confused
@@sashat3632 I presume it's to denot sarcasm and his personal opinion that they're not qualified to be parents.
Honestly I didn't believe for a second that woman has arthritis. Problem with their little anecdotes is how utterly vague they are
Hi Dr Mike.
I had anaphylaxis as a result of my first covid jab (astro zeneca). As a Doctor was there, I was treated, so it was really unpleasant but dealt with.
Here's my issue..... From some people I received a lot of abuse, when I explained that I didn't want to go for any more covid jabs due to the anaphylaxis, inuding someone who told me that I should have it because covid is worse than anaphylaxis! They had never had an allergic reaction of any kind....
I discussed the jab again with a doctor, once the zeneca jab had been withdrawn, and we talked about the risks, especially as I have chonic q fever and a lot of other conditions, some of which are autoimmune disorders. I was asked to have the jab in the hospital, had an allergic reaction again, but it was dealt with. Bullying is wrong, open communication is key.
Much love from the uk.
Exactly. The authoritarians who pushed the Covid vaccine have never apologized or admitted wrong doing. They destroyed the medical communities credibility and now think it’s weird people don’t trust them
I work in vet med and we have clients decline the Rabies vaccine for their pets because they're anti-vax and they don't want to put "unnecessary things" into their pets.. I sure hope their pets are never exposed to Rabies and that they never have to deal with the consequences of their decision in that regard.
The only cases of rabies in Canada since the 60s, were transmitted by bats. My INDOOR cat will NOT be having a rabies vaccine. Ridiculous! Also, she does not eat garbage kibble.
“I don’t want my kids to have arthritis”
**Kid gets polio**
“Well at least he doesn’t have arthritis”
SebastianTheGreat AHAHAHHAHAHA
Guess what Polio comes from contaminated water not contact with infected people. My uncle had Polio with 5 other unvaccinated children he guy it from swimming.
@@tomarasmith4459 Yeah, but if you had a Polio vaccine, the chances of getting would be WAY lower.
@@cracqheadish908 I dont swim in lakes and ponds so my chances of getting it is low anyway. My uncle had Polio he was the only of 6 kids to contract it. I do know that the CDC lies about the risk of vaccines.
“vaccines cause autism 😡”
*gets measles and dies*
“at least he doesn’t have autism”
I feel like the 2 anti vaccine moms were not listening, they were just waiting to talk.
I feel like (not to assume) that’s the problem of why they are so “ignorant” it’s because they don’t listen as much as they should
Zahir Datoo that has nothing to do with being American 😐
Zahir Datoo nope
Zahir Datoo everything you just said was wrong
Zahir Datoo anyone can be what you described, which is what you are
Wonderful video, Dr. Mike. I appreciate your objectivity.
I really like that you said that you’re OK with individual parents choosing not to vaccinate, but they should not advocate for others to do the same
For me personally I'd be far more convinced by a person who presents data than a person who presents personal anecdotes.
Kabir Basu both are useful, it depends on the audience that you are talking to, with these people talking about medicine with a bunch of big fancy words using personal anecdotes are useful. If you are talking about more down to earth, less big words, topics than stats are a lot more helpful.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep yep, most people are more convinced by anecdotes, especially if they can evoke emotion.
But as soon as someone starts to use emotion to try to convince me of something, I lose interest real quick, untill they start using data.
Of course this doesn't mean I've never been convinced by anecdotes in the moment, but if given the time to think about the arguments, I'd almost always be more convinced by the data.
Kabir Basu i agree with you, there is a fine amount of emotion that should be used when making an anecdotal argument, if the entire argument is ruled by emotion than people will just tune it out.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep, totally agree.
It's good you understand the data and statistics. As a scientist, I want to know those.
But I grew up with all the family stories of relatives suffering and dying of now preventable diseases. Those are facts, too. It's good to have true individual stories to tell that supplement stats for those who don't understand them. Most people don't know anybody who has had a preventable disease. It hits home when you've witnessed the fear of you or your child being infected with something horrible.
It's difficult to win an argument against a smart person but it's even harder to win an argument against a stupid person.
That is 100% true.
Tempest once a stupid person has made up their mind, they ain't going back
Fool. The point is not to "win." The point is to get to the truth what you and the other person is aware of, OPENMINDEDLY.
Tempest that’s not even true. You’re equating stupidity with stubbornness. Smart people can be very stubborn just like how stupid people can be humble or “opened” to new ideas
@@enochannor6550 yeah but people don't become smart by being stubborn, they do so by being objective or reasoning. Stubbornness is how dumb people stay dumb.
4.20 Exactly! My newborn was exposed to an outbreak of something in my neighborhood, because a group families were against vaccinations. Thankfully I couldn't really leave the house much anyway, but it was scary.
Man great video Mike all amazing points that you made I just wanted to reach to the screen shake your hand all the points made were very good
What annoys me the most is that Melissa is anti-vax because her daughter can't get vaccinated so her daughter actually relies on herd immunity to not get seriously sick. Yes there are certain cases where vaccines are bad for a specific person but in my opinion I believe that this is all the more reason to be pro-vax because then you rely on herd-immunity to survive.
Caroline Borham finally someone said it🙌
Precisely! I am a huge advocate for vaccination because I cannot be vaccinated. I have allergies but went to the great effort and expense to be desensitised. I have since been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that means I don't develop immunity. I rely on other people to keep me safe and unfortunately people are increasingly making decisions that put me and people like me at risk.
🙌🙌
Caroline Borham Some people believe herd immunity doesn't exist.
Exactly!! I couldn't understand why she's Anti-Vaxx when it'll only benefit her child
Was anyone annoyed at how arrogant the anti-vax mothers were being? They were told a genuine statistic and opinion and they just shook their heads acting like they’re geniuses.
to be fair the stats are probably exaggerated to some extent, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid and worth considering (like I think Dr. Mike said 1/3000 or so instead)
I was irritated after the beginning when the redhead said a vaccine gave her arthritis because she was "too young to develop it", made me want to grab the woman and yell at her, "Explain that to me at 17 when I hadn't had a vaccine in over 2 years, Karen!" (That was when I was officially diagnosed with arthritis.) But the willingness to ignore than specialists story, too, about the child who had to lose all of his limbs to a preventable disease, also just irritated me further. How far does your head have to be up your ass to just ignore something like that, or statistics?
Trust the doctors....they went to school for four years or long just for this kind of stuff. YOU DIDN’T YOU WENT TO GOOGLE
I mean the anti vaxxers did not specifically you Tristian DR
the doctor in the video was arguing not to give accurate statistics but to make up stories to sell vaccines. The moment they believe in this voodoo they think they are doing the right thing to cover up an injury etc and when a whole cult does that their statistics are completely unreliable and very far off.
To speak on a personal item regarding vaccinations, when I was in the Army prior to deployment to certain locations on the planet, the Small Pox vaccine is administered to deploying service members. I was given an indefinite medical exemption based upon certain and specific criteria; it became exceptionally important that everyone else in my unit carry an immunological response if that were ever introduced to the environment. In that regard, all of their immune systems had my immune system's back when we were deployed.
During when the covid vaccine was being rolled out, a lot of us at Oxford working in the hospitals were recruited to have some of the first vaccines as part of the trial. I had mine beginning of feb 2021. I asked a couple of new colleagues if they wanted it so another colleague linked to the trial could sign them up. One said yes and was signed up straight away. The other said no. I automatically thought he was an antivaxxer. He explained he had a bad reaction to an MMR vaccine so his doctor told him to be careful. I felt so bad as he would have said yes otherwise and explained because there’s this air around antivaxxers who make those who have valid reasons to say no until they speak to their doctor and check if it’s okay to have the vaccine is an excuse to not to get vaccinated for the general population
And it's because of people like your colleague that everyone who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated.
And now we see there's also side effects of the covid vaccine. Many people I know will never get a booster or be complied to get a vaccine again because of their reaction
Wow. You honestly sound like a terrible person. The people who judge others for not taking Covid were the most authoritarian and evil people.
"parents know their children best :)" my parents don't know a single thing about me, but ok sharon
If your parents don’t know anything about you, that’s probably your fault
@@cadebayerl8117 That is a pretty one sided mindset. With no other evidence other than their statement, at best, we can say both parties are at fault. But we cannot exclude the possibility that it is the fault of the parents for this apparent relationship between child and parent nor can we exclude environmental factors outside of both parties control that has lead to this and there is simply a lack of knowledge of this leading to a skewed perception on Nikolas's part.
B I G mood
"Its not a phase dad"
@@cadebayerl8117 yeah, it's totally my fault my dad doesn't want to know me.
A soccer mom telling a pediatrician that he's wrong.
*Confidence: 9000*
I think that irritates me the most. They imply my doctor promotes vaccines for the money. They don't know my doctor, he is one of the most caring people I know. He always asks how we are doing and often checks on things we have being dealing with in the past (I don't always remember and he has to remind me). It can be anything from the last thing we saw him for to something we mentioned in conversation like how our soccer season went. He isn't some nefarious snake oil salesman.
@@melanieszelong4664 Preach sister.
@@melanieszelong4664 yeah they say doctors are in it for the money meanwhile pedalling essential oils, the hypocrisy kills me
I LOVE all the comments on this thread laughing at soccer moms. We soccer moms are total dingbats, right? LOL.....and you're not being a bigoted idiot WHATSOEVER!
@@PS-qn4oz Depends on what kind of soccer mom you are. Do you tell pediatricians their decades of schooling and practice are no match for your google skills? Do you brag all over facebook about how your child only eats organic foods when nobody asked? Do you tell your children's teachers they're the bullies if they tell you your child has been acting like a brat to the other children? Do you walk into stores and restaurants wearing sunglasses, cropped pants, and a "sensible" haircut and demand to speak to the manager because they wouldn't accept your expired coupons? If so, then yes, you are a dingbat. If not, carry on, this conversation had nothing to do with you and you are getting offended for no reason.
I am pro vaccine and I stopped getting the flu when I stopped taking the vaccine.
I hate the way people pretend that there are two legitimate sides to every issue. This is like Flat Earthers vs Astronomers.
It is the sign of our time. Giving mostly semi-educated people access to the internet where misinformation can abound is akin to giving a child matches to play with = bad things invariably follow. It creates a population of people who are long on assumptions and short on understanding having created for themselves an "information bubble" built upon ignorance and incredulity.
Anti-vaxxers however well meaning tend to be people who to be blunt usually can not think themselves out of a paper bag. Their attempts to delve into what are "esoteric" subjects which are well over their heads creates the cycle of poor assumptions they are constantly reacting to without ever understanding. Your analogy is therefore correct. 🤷
Your side supports pedophiles. Be quiet.
@@jakejerrison5181 you're in a brainwashing cult mate
@@varyolla435 varyolla435 is a propaganda spam bot spamming all of the comments and cannot answer a simple question.
What is the Covid-related mortality for non-elderly persons with no comorbidities???
I had a bad reaction to a vaccine.
My parents didn’t want me to have vaccinations since I was 2. I am now 19 and went to get vaccines due to going into nursing. They told me if I had any worries they would work with an allergist to make sure I wouldn’t have a reaction. Simply talk to your doctor instead of believing they are secretly harming you.
Anela Wright thats what we did with our immunocompromised child. She doesn’t get the vaccines when everyone else does, but with the help of an allergist we’ve figured out the best course for her while still keeping her and others safe.
EXACTLY
Anything medical is stupid and makes the problems worse
Ben Lewis
What?
Im not
My sister had a reaction to a vaccine and can't get certain ones. She's still pro-vaccine.
What or when a child gets a vaccine should be customized to that specific child. With some children, some vaccines are low risk with another child the same low risk might be a high risk because of specific health conditions. I don’t think it’s ok to just make a list of vaccines and tell parents “here is the generic list, get these vaccines at specific times” when the doctor should evaluate each individual vaccine for the child on an individual basis.
Well that shows that she understands that everyone is different, which others can't seem to fathom
Thats great. As long as the people around her are vaccinated for the vaccines that she cant have, she has a lower risk of getting sick
@@danielaramburo7648 You make a fair point. But the number of children that need a changed vaccine schedule is rather small, so it's not really discussed. Most children have no issues having vaccines besides a sore muscle. For children who are immunocompromised (meaning their immune system does not work well and has difficulty fighting foriegn bodies) they are not given certain vaccines until later on. So what you want IS in place, it's just not spoken about.
The only one im against is flu because there's too ment strands of it
That doctors story about his daughter having arthritis and epilepsy really hit home for me cause I had the exact same experience when I was a bit younger. But the problem was when we were going to ask my doctor what was going on she left although she had caused me a large amount of suffering. Doctor Mike, what would you do if a doctor has given you the wrong treatment and you want to do something about it?
Switch doctors. That's the only thing to do. If you are seeing a doctor and they are clearly not helping you, you just gotta go see a new doctor. Bring your medical records.
I agree, switch doctors. And if your doctor has an issue with you getting a second or third opinion....dump that doctor.
I have an immune disorder and even though I couldn't get vaccinations I made sure that my child did. I weighed the pros and cons and decided it was worth the risk. As my daughter reached highschool I let her decide for herself.
My friend decided not to vaccinate her child. We had heated discussions about the topic over the years and just agreed to disagree.
However am deeply saddened that my friends daughter passed away a few years later at the tender age of 15 from Meningococcal meningitis.
My beautiful friend was so distraught and said "You were right...I should've listend." I this was a time where I truly wished I was wrong 😪.
On the flip side one of my daughters fellow students a top gymnast started with seizures emediatley after she was given a vaccine at school. These seizures never went away and progressed. Now she requires 24/7 care as she has 6 - 10 seizures a day.
I know whatever decision we make as parents is in the best interests of our children.
There is no right and wrong in this. But I do believe we should be given a choice.
The problem with "choice" is some choose poorly. That results in continued presence of these organisms in the public space which in turn drives new infections and subsequent illness and death. You know lepers were once driven from their communities because of the threat they posed to others. There is no supposed "right" that allows for individuals spreading of vaccine-preventable diseases. As a final thought allergic reactions reflect a problem with the individual and not the vaccine per se which is merely a "trigger".
@@varyolla435 You do make a valid point and I agree. It's a question of ethics and morals really at the end of the day isn't it.
Ethically and moraly I believe it is wrong to force someone to put something into thier body. Your body should mean it's your choice.
On the flip side it is Ethically and moraly wrong for someone to place other peoples lives at risk. Moraly we as a society need to place our own health as well as those around us as priority.
While I swing more to the pro Vax side I do also have some understanding on why some prefer not Vax.
Education is key I believe.
@@natahliak7691and too, you can be for some vaccines, wary of others and against others. That doesn't make you antivax. I chose not to get the covid vaccine. With more data that has come out, I'm ok with my decision. For others, they've made a different decision and that's their choice. I don't vilify a person one way or the other.
If I'm allergic to peanut doesn't mean that peanut will kill everyone I won't become an antipeanut activist
Its hilarious how we have to oversimplify innovative, life changing vaccines into PEANUTS to get antivaxxers to understand
@@prudence8808 i bet they cant understand this peanut analogy either
Takuya V they won’t 😹
@@vreep7497 They can hear you but they won't, they look for trouble while others don't
@@prudence8808 I'm anti mandatory vaccines, but these comments are killing me! Comedy Gold!
Doctor: “The side effects are like 1 in a million”
Mom: “No”
Mom “I know its not because I did my research on safari”
medical degrees dont count
JB Studio wikipedia is the true source of knowledge
ashton kutcher which articles can be edited by uneducated people
JB Studio everything was done on Wikipedia
We all know real doctors use Internet Explorer!
Thank you. As usual - you are awesome.
Thanks dr mike for responding to this! ❤
Bob Sears, the anti-vaccine pediatrician, got his license suspended after causing an outbreak of a preventable disease in the city he lives. You can look it up.
Nice
Yup. Measles outbreak in Southern California. 100% preventable.
The thing that sucks is that it's not directly affecting the people who make the decision to not vaccinate your kid.
Holy shit, your right. Jubilee needs to get some better people.
Meli Rayne shit your right
respectfulinsolence.com/2018/06/29/dr-bob-sears-finally-faces-discipline/
They should've had Dr. Mike be apart of that video. I think it would've had a bigger impact on the anti-vaxxers.
TBH
Very true
@@MariaKiran1 with all due respect to Dr. Mike, these people have chose to believe their own "research" over scientific medical opinion. I don't think the doctor's words would knock sense into them.
@@sibinsamthomas4719 true.
With all due respect once you are an antivaxxer and you know the truth it doesnt matter who is in the video. Once you know the truth, you never go back. There are thousands of doctors that are also anti vax so your theory that our opinion is less medically valid than yours is pure fantasy. In reality provaccine science is corrupted science. Apparently a lot of people are comfortable with hearing this because they never dig any deeper than main stream medias stories to find out. If it were my kids life on the line, i would be concerned with the possibility of there being some truth to what antivax parents are saying. I would want to be positive before doing that to my kids . antivaxxer will never be provax again because they KNOW that pharmacuetical companies are liars and doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US and unfortunately most of all, many of us found out first hand what I said is absolutely true. BUT you go ahead and trust them, your choice and your right to at least we know, we tried to warn you.
Great video Mike! Well presented and showed both sides. I will say, i think there is more to discuss in terms of cases of harm that people have experienced in tandem with vaccines. But for entertainment educational purposes, it was a good watch thanks for making it!
You can not view reaction to vaccination in a vacuum. You must understand that side effects to a given vaccine typically mirror the same seen with people infected with the actual infectious disease. That tells you those are a result of exposure to = the pathogen.
Thus in so much as the infectious disease exists - hence why there are vaccines - you will therefore see one outcome or the other. Either a few susceptible individuals risk what are rare side effects to vaccination = or they risk the same from catching the infectious disease - which increases that risk exponentially.
As an aside. People unable to tolerate exposure to vaccines which are weaker by design would more than likely react similarly - or worse - upon simply catching the infectious disease. This means those few in number people who reacted badly to vaccination would represent the same we would expect to see if the infectious disease simply spread through the population unchecked = except there are far fewer of them. Think about it.
Absolutely great video. 👍
Yea, that pediatrician? He is on probation, and was filed for multiple counts of negligence by the Californian health board, for being anti-vax.
Do you know his name?
@@ribbon-kitten7577 Dr. Bob Sears.
Boost tf out of this ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
Niiiiiice
Wow, that's sad. Filed just for being anti-vax?
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
Comment so good it doesn't need anymore replies.
I am now anti-food
Food is just part of a big conspiracy from the big food chains and the government (which is in reality composed of big, gluttonous panda bears disguised as politicians). Your body doesn't need food, I read it from some random guy's blog online, and I trust him. Now I'm anti-food. Get informed, sheep!
I once almost drowned, so now I won’t let me or my kids drink liquid.
I agree 100% of people who eat food die regardless of choking.
I think understanding the compassion here has helped me a lot. I think I previously fell into the camp of believing that all anti-vaxxers were simply ignorant or misled, but seeing that there can be the statistical unlikelyhoods that affect them so personally, I can see why this would become an emotionally charged issue for them that would lead them to believe differently than what statistics would show. I think understanding their perspective can help people like me to understand why throwing statistics at them doesn't help, and how compassion is the real way to connect with real people.
I "understand" a mass-murderer has a psychotic personality and perhaps incurred abuse as a child = yet they are still a murderer........ "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. _Cause & Effect_ still applies here.........
What did you think about the discriminations, human right violations, about the violently forced human experiment vaccinations, about all the threatenings and suppression hundreds of millions of unvaccinated people had to face in the last few years globally?
How on earth could you people accept that other people were harassed, suppressed, threatened and discriminated by armed police forces payed by public money, by your corrupted nazi politicians, by your medical 'professionals'..:
Did you really think it is OK ?
Man.....
@@varyolla435
"Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. Cause & Effect still applies here........."
WTF are you suggesting provaxers fanatic zealot?
Do you compare innocent, unvaccinated people who resist your crazy religion and human experiments to murderes and psychos?
Man, obviously not all provaxers are the same. But the real provaxers, the aggressive ones are the worst kind of monsters, the real successors of Hitler.
I love how well you are with words, and know how to talk to people, being neutral but still voicing your opinion. More people should try to work towards that then we would def live in a more peaceful world. But that’s just wishfull thinking haha ^^ I think you are an amazing docter, the way you talk about how you talk to your patients! Truly motivational! ♡
Don’t confuse your google search with my medical degree
You mean that someone googling articles for 8 hours is not the same as someone who spent 8 years studying?
@@alexpirela4763 8 min* who googles for 8hrs? There aren't even enough anti vax articles
@@rebia5542 Lmaaooooo. You right
Alex Pirela 😂😂 they don’t even teach doctors or nurses in medical school about vaccine ingredients , they only teach him that it safe and effective in the schedule , my aunt is pediatric doctor so trust me I know
@@intuitivepsychictherapysab8107 I learnt about the components of different vaccines in Anatomy & Physiology, Virology, Microbiology, Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry. I dont even have my Bachelors yet.
"The one in a million is not a real number"
"It is. It's publis -"
"No. It's not."
Actually depends on which side effect we're talking about.
Funny and sad at the same time
@@pinkmillk how about serious side effects?
www.vaccines.gov/basics/safety/side_effects
Looks like he made a good guess too, 1 in a million.
@サイレントボイス did you read the beginning of the comment? The serious ones. Also the site lists the common side effects, if people are risking not only their lives but the lives of others because of those then they need to get their priorities in order.
@@jackmerry1972 nahhh
I used to cry and hide as a child when I had to get vaccines and thought that I was somehow being punished. Now, I’m very glad that my parents got me vaccinated. After my mom told me about the symptoms of tetanus at around 12 years old and compared what tetanus does to a person versus just getting one jab that’s over quickly, I started to think differently about vaccines. I knew that it wasn’t to hurt me, but to protect me and others who can’t get vaccinated. (Newborns, people with certain autoimmune disorders, etc.) My parents went through chickenpox and other things as children that I never even had to think about as a kid. As somebody who’s turning 26 next month, I’m no longer scared of vaccines and even used to get B-12 injections weekly at one point because although I eat red meat, my body doesn’t break down the B-12 vitamin very well for some reason.
Great video Doc
I feel like listening to any anti-vaxxer is BEYOND frustrating when you are from a third world country, rejecting vaccines comes from their privilege of living in a developed country that we most certainly don't have
People from third world countries know better than anyone how dangerous vaccines are since pharma loves to use them as guinea pigs. See, Im pretty sure they have caught on , and Im sure Africa probably doesnt appreciate Bill Gates giving them polio What a prick giving them the oral polio vaccine when we discontinued it here because it causes polio. More cases of vaccines der1ived polio exists today than the wild polio. So what is actually beyond frustrating is all of you just regurgitating the same old
fake vaccine stories you have been told all your life and never looking yourself to see if there is any truth to what we say at all. But hey, dont listen to us. Millions of us are all just delusional parents. Ha ha
@@dawn1568 yes you are who thinks earth is flat.
@@dawn1568 Nope, I'm from a third world country and we get all our vaccines here.
@@dawn1568 Polio cases have jumped off a cliff in India since the Pulse Polio Program. Shoo, condescending snowflake.
@@dawn1568 you are talking about unethical testing. But the topic here is whether vaccines (after due procedures or testing) is important or not.
Holy F im cringing every time she say "Investigating vaccines". We all know her investigation is sitting on google finding the most ridiculous information that human race came up with
Betting it's not even google, it's just random opinions of moms on facebook lmao
@@Duskitten Even better lol
Exactly !!! This couldn’t be more annoying
Just waiting for a wild Karen to come.
probably yahoo search tbh
I got vaccinated for rubeola when i was a baby, yet I got rubeola when i was 14 years old. Neither my family nor I blamed "the vacc didn't work", it's just my immune was bad at that time. Still doesn't change my mind about getting vacc, a jab it is.
When the MMR first came out it was only one dose. It took some years to determine that 2 doses were needed to insure good immunity response. Meanwhile the Rubella vaccine is believed to last ~15 years for most. So developing Rubella 14 years later does not mean the vaccine did not work - especially if it was a mild case. Vaccines are not "100% preventative". They simply offer better odds at avoiding serious illness with milder side effects than catching what they prevent.
I've also had rubella, along with chicken pocks and measles. My immune system sucks but I'm still not dumb enough to be anti Vax. Have all my vaccines and boosters as do my children.
Many vaccines wear off in their effectiveness over time. I think a good question for a doctor about each vaccine is, how long does it last and when should I get a booster?
LOVE LOVE LOVE this !!!!
**antis talking about pros downplaying something while completely downplaying all the benefits of vaccines**
They're such hypocrites
And downplaying just how bad things like polio, measles, ect. are.
One lady said just bc she doesn’t have “Dr” in front of her name doesn’t make her less informed… ID BEG TO DIFFER
I made a remix of anti vaxxers
While creating mass fear and hysteria by exaggerating the side effects of vaccines and other conditions that aren't even related such as arthritis.
Pro vax: I saw a child have 4 limbs amputated.
Anti vax: BUT I HAD ARTHRITIS :(
YOU WOULD’INT HAVE ARTHRITIS IF YOUR ARMS WERE CHOPPED OFF fingers? Hand?
Man those doctors had infinite patients. If it were me, I would have knocked her out.
She says that arthritis doesn't occur at that age
One of my good friends mom has arthritis at twenty
In fact it can occur to anyone
slapp bass yea literally had a kid in my year 3 class with it ???
@Naomi Roxanne Dijs Did you at all listen to doctor mike?
If the child has a broken bone you can report the parents. If the child had a broken bone given to them by the doctor and pharma companies you can report them to “no one”. They are indemnified.
Should the doctors and pharma companies compensate all injuries cause by their hands?
Once a vaccine injury occurs you are outcasted and no one helps take care of you or the kids hurt.
If the injuries are so small statistically why is there full indemnity given?
🥱 Your comments do not indicate "a pharma exec" I'm afraid..... They more aptly indicate a high schooler at best.
@@varyolla435
Thank you Vary, that was a high IQ reply again :D
Well not quite.-.
@@Steel9k You're not denying my observation........ - as usual. 🥱
@@varyolla435
Why wont you talk about the discriminations against unvaccinated civilians?
@@Steel9k Because that is a meaningless and subjective argument......... - again. *INFECTIOUS* diseases..........
Moral: if you are not part of the solution = you are part of the problem. You may "want" to be a part of society to enjoy the benefits of such community = but you have no "right" to do so. When you go out among others = new rules apply.
I've never heard someone say "they don't listen to logic" in such a nice way
Anti-Vax: well what did people do before vaccines
Me: Well Karen they died- a lot of people DIED!
You dont call someone who wants safer cars "anti-car"
@@cameronmchugh4153 You do know that she is literally stating vaccines are better then
Death
@@rigobertojulian-garcia1113 it's than death. Not then death.
@@cameronmchugh4153 Sorry just a minor mistake
Cameron Mchugh omg a simple grammar mistake oh my god how could he? I have to point it out because it’s life changing that’s he is such a dumbass to make a grammar mistake it’s so worth my time!
I am personally strongly pro vaccine because of an old friend.
Her mother was an anti vaxxer. Her mother was the typical activist that does 15 minutes of research and would argue with doctors. But her daughter had no opinion in this. She couldn’t get one even if she wanted one.
When she went to Puerto Rico for vacation, she cut her ankle on a sharp tree branch in the forest. It was not clean. And her mother refused to have her the tetanus vaccine. Her father wanted but her mother would not allow it.
Weeks later, she died of tetanus, the doctors couldnt do much because it was already too late. If the mother had just given her that vaccine, it would’ve saved her life. But it didn’t and the price was the cost of her only daughters life
does she regret her decision or is she in denial?
This was heartbreaking .
We must have her head on a steak!
matthew mac she’s still in denial. Claiming that the hospital was unsafe and had germs, and said that that was the reason her daughter died.
@@fanqiejiang1749 that's sad. she just refuses to see her role in this, deep inside she probably knows, but she doesn't want to acknowledge it. 💔
You should have been in that conversation to educate them. They would have benefited alot from your point of view.
The impact of data on a person depends on the type of person. I have some mental contidition (I won't name it for anonymity sake) that make me think of everything as a calculated risk. I always prefer data over anecdonal evidence before making a decision.
That's called intelligence.
*doctor with actual medical training brings up statistics*
antivax mom: YoUrE WrOng
I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am
a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants.
Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
Peyton Ross I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am
a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants.
Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
@@martinap2682 hi im 16 and none of those words make sense. but ive been vaccinated my whole life and im perfectly healthy so. ✊👋
@Tee S Wow I've seen you in many pro vax comments
Martina P yeah, no proof that they work aside from the diseases that have been mostly eradicated. Polio for example. It’s almost like less people got polio after the vaccine was administered. Also, if you have to name all of the reasons why your opinion is substantial, then most likely what you’ve said is bullshit.
"parents know their children best" my parents didnt know I had ADHD, a mood disorder, or Ehlers-Danlos until a doctor informed them.
I am unable to take the flu vaccine without having a dangerous reaction to it. I have contracted H1N1 flu virus. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. It took me months to get back to full health.
To everyone who recieves a flu vaccine each year I extend a huge thank you. I appriciate every person who gets vaccinated and helps lower my chances of catching the flu again.
I have been able to be vaccinated for everything else required in my life and my children have all been vaccinated without any issues. We all need to do our part in helping each other stay healthy and safe.
Blessed be and good health to all of you.
@@mareikeho7425 you have copied this comment from someone. I saw this comment.
@@naveennidhurshan6939 Yeah I saw it too
you had the eric the midget disease
My parents didnt know I had tongue tied until I was 10/11. Not as serious as the poster but hey they both have something wrong with speech.
risk assessment assumes you know how risky the activity is.
Thank you to the man who Brought up Juvenile Ideopathic Arthritis. And the treatment. I have it and have been on methotrexate since I was 2. It helps keep it under control, and I am so happy , that his daughter can move again.❤
I had it in the 70's and 80's starting at 3yo. No methotrexate. It went away at 17 (thank goodness), but a lot of damage had already occurred, alas.
So happy for you.
It really frustrates me that the antivaxxers got way more time to speak and just ignored literally everything the doctor said
This is why we just let them Have it their way, let them and their kids drop dead like flies and just continue informing the uninformed
Sadly, however, they don’t just endanger themselves and die out but also endanger their young kids who don’t know better or others and deplete herd immunity. Fucking selfish ideology.
So true I wanted to hear more from the pro-vaccine More and the anti a LOT less but of course they got to interrupt and say “no,no” when they disagree and then go into a big rant of “oh your numbers are off” and “well I have arthritis now” do you even have proof that, that happened due to the vaccine you had or just spouting whatever you feel because you couldn’t find the source? Utter nonsense. Also what happens to the kids with auto-immune disease who get polio and measles? Gonna blame that on other kids who get their vaccines? Shouldn’t you want your kids protected from a early death due to stupid decisions?
Edan But that’s not fair to their children 🙁
@@WeNeedToDiscuss They do, actually. Blame kids with the vaccines, I mean. I had a discussion on Quora with an anti-vaxxer who was absolutely convinced her son had gotten the flu from his friend who had just gotten the flu vaccine. Because "He was shedding the virus and also got sick".
Doctor with a degree: the reactions are one in a million
Anti-vax mom: *passive aggressively shakes head no*
"Your facts make me uncomfortable. Could you just tone down the reality a little bit?"
childrenshealthdefense.org/news/4-billion-and-growing-u-s-payouts-for-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/
Injuries and deaths of children are worth more than $4 BILLION already paid out to victims.
Parents who have injured or dead children after receiving defective medicatons of any kind should seek proper legal advice from law firms specializing in their tragic circumstances.
@@SeaJay_Oceans And a study by Chewly's gum says I should smoke less.
Actually.. many doctors don't get really get or read detailed information for research papers. I have actually argued with doctors over various things and won because I read a lot of research papers. Alot of the time, one disease, the doctor may actually spend 1 page of information on it, maybe 15minutes of lectures on it during their degree and never read anything about it later. Never totally trust a diagnosis. Ask more doctors opinions.
@@michaelvanderbeek6869 Have you taken medical school? How would you know how individual doctors studied during their graduate programs.
Another excellent video!!
Wait why is the mom with an autoimmune child anti-vax? She should be the one more pro vaccine than anyone else, because if people aren't vaxxed her child is at a higher risk.
"Don't confuse your google search to my medical degree" -The to many memes I have i seen
Your sentence is unintelligible and I bet you gave yourself a thumb's up. Fuck the filth that are vaccines and fuck shills.
Summer Joy also, fuck children growing old! Wait... that’s not right.
Fuck anti-vaxxers and their misinformed, uneducated view point that is actively killing children
@@summerjoy6849 his sentence is perfectly legible , you've just shown yourself to be dumb right there
@@summerjoy6849 His sentence is legible and vaccines are good
@@rainbowroxgirl6091 Anti-Vaxxers are secretly people who fight overpopulation of the world
"I know my kid better than someone who sees them twice a year for 10 minutes." According to that logic, you don't have to go to a doctor ever. Just diagnose and operate on yourself, after all, you know your body better than any "expert".
Ikr, its so stupid what she's saying. Vaccines aren't about knowing your child's favourite colour or something equally as stupid, they're about knowing how their body's immune system and insides work and I'm sorry but somebody who has studied for years on that subject (e.g. a DOCTOR not the parent) knows it better than a parent.
Yeah, I'm not saying doctors are gods, but anti-vaxxers seem to think that google puts them on the same level as someone who has to go through 20+ years of education and experience. You cannot argue with someone who has that mentality.
It's like saying you could paint a better portrait of yourself than a professional painter, just because you've seen yourself more in a mirror. Obviously years of training and experience outweigh the personal knowledge you might have
She may know her kid better than the doctor knows him, but she doesn't practice medicine on her kid better than a doctor does. It's a false equivocation. Doctors can practice medicine competently on complete strangers.
I know. If I was a doctor in that room I would’ve started screaming. I can’t fathom how ppl are anti vax Their logic makes no sense whatsoever
Dr. Mike is unbelievably genuine, and unlike Dr Oz and other medical personalities, I would trust him and his opinion with my life. His background led him to be a lot more grateful for his education than the average doctor. I believe he took full advantage of his time in medical school and I think his knowledge shows that clearly.
to the woman who said "i'm too young too have artritis"
i'm 18 and I have artritis, just cause a disease is common in older people doesn't mean ONLY older people will have them
My daughter has a severe egg allergy and many vaccines are suspended in a type of egg protein. I strongly believe in vaccines because I have an autoimmune disease and heart condition. So I as a parent took my daughter to a specialist who did all her vaccines in divided dosages and we stayed in the office for 2 hours after each dosage. She is now a healthy 14 year old and has outgrown the egg allergy and has had ALL of her vaccines 🥰
My sisters kid has a severe egg allergy. She's waiting for it to die off before vaccinating her child. She's not antivax, she's just waiting to vax.
Good for her, but, I’ve never heard of an egg allergy.
@@nomila7297 It can be just as severe as a peanut allergy. Look it up
Dee
That’s one thing I learned today
Nice!
Please bring those vaccines to Africa, specifically Kenya. I know so many children who would really appreciate them.
That’s it! Where I live, there is no anti-vax vs pro-vax but when I see these lucky people who live in countries where they have easy access to vaccines turn their backs on them and play the victims... like so many countries and children would give anything to have their luck! It frustrates me so bad
@@Blondybeastfit agreed man. People don't understand how lucky they are unless it is taken away.
Nelson Mandela (2002 Vaccine Conference) --“Giving children a healthy start in life, no matter where they are born or the circumstances of their birth, is the moral obligation of every one of us. I find it heartbreaking that 3 million people, most of them children, die each year from diseases that we can prevent with simple, inexpensive vaccines. "
Don't Google 'free birth' you'll only get mad. These privileged Western parents have no idea how lucky they are.
@@Blondybeastfit I wish they knew how good they have it! Do they know the reason most of them are alive is because of the the same very vaccines they're denying their children!?
I had a crazy bad reaction to the MMR vaccine when I was a toddler. I still get all my vaccines. It's insane to me that people feel like it's some huge risk. It seems selfish to me 🤷♂️
As someone who disagrees with some points on both sides I do appreciate your respectfulness, as it is important
"I know my kid better than someone who sees them twice a year for 10 minutes"
K Story time
When I was 16, I had something wrong with me illness-wise. My family just played it off as a fever, even though I had red spots all over my body afterwards. My family finally brought me to the doctor because I literally got kicked out of school at that point. My family and I after lots of internet searching, couldn't find anything. In the hospital, my doctor, who only sees my for 10 minutes twice a year, within 2 minutes: "You have Scarlet Fever." The doctor I see twice a year for ten minutes saved me from a potentially lethal disease that my family couldn't do anything about for days.
Three cheers for that doctor!
Wow! My brother had scarlet fever when he was little and it was really scary, and also because I had just had strep throat so I had a really high chance of getting it too and then we’re allergic to the main medicine that’s used to treat it
@@ellan1664 Do you know hat he was put on?
Let me tell you a story. I went to a doctor to get tested for Strep Throat. The doctor said I had no strep throat. Every kid who sat next to me in class got strep throat.
@Ha Ha Ha Ha I agree. Parents aren't doctors for a reason.
The brunette antivaxxer had absolutely no business here. She wasn't here to have a conversation she thought she was going to convert them.
Sam Rader Very true. She was rather rude.
@@seaofag9752 Just went no, no, no and shaking her head to every single sentence. It wasn't much of a debate and it reminded me at the Jenny chick.
Yep. Honestly it disgusts me giving anti-vaxxers a platform entirely. All they are are selfish narcissists. Half the time it feels like they have Munchausens, believing their kid has this wild disease due to a vaccine when an all rationality, their kid is fine.
Sea of AG
Welp not really rude... just ignorant
@@inkflux. Ignorance is rude
I love how this Doc takes a nuanced and middle ground approach to everything.
Thank you so very much Dr. Mike. This one hit home for me, as my husband is immunocompromised since he has had his kidney transplant. The real truth is that many people simply do not understand how vaccines work. It is very difficult for people who don’t have a choice. Thank you again for sharing good evidence based information. I hope it changes people’s minds. 🙏🏼
"In the end, parents know their children best."
Alright, Sharon, next time Timmy breaks his spine, you can just do the surgery to fix it yourself, okay?"
LOL
XD
Make sense
no need for surgery lmao. we have essential oils 😪
The example/context she gave was correct though
mom who goes “parents know their child best” gives me bad “can i speak to your manager” vibes
Internet Comment Etiquette: Grayson I wouldn’t be surprised if her name was Karen.
People in the comments of that video were calling her Karen lmao 😂
"Can I speak"? I think it's more like... " *I DEMAND to speak to the manager here!* "
My name is Karen. And you are? 😒
Lol
Happy happy to see you Anytime love you forever ♾ ❤❤🙏🏻
So good 😊 shows Anytime !!!
i went to an anti-vaxxer convention, but all I got was this measley shirt