Carbon Wheel Perfection Roasted at Gas Mark 6 - CRW
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2023
- This one made me slightly cross. Here is the link: bit.ly/cXyePtbBc
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We've been in constant communication with PT since he had this issue. The end cap issue we immediately started QC'ing new orders ourselves and contacted all previous customers to let them diagnose the issue themselves and offer replacement end caps. The lock ring issue seems to be a one-off, as no other customers have reported this issue. However, again, we've started hand-screwing Shimano lock rings on to all hubs before shipping to make sure. We will be getting PT a new rear wheel under warranty as we would with any paying customer. We still stand by these wheels, but it's clear that the set that PT got were not up to standards. We have also instructed CRW to improve their own internal QC measures. (Previously the lock ring thread wasn't QC'd for fear of scratching the threads and having customers believe their wheels were second hand, etc.) Also, anyone ordering the wheels, please note wait times are now up to nearly a month. These have been a highly sought-after wheel and CRW won't cut corners on quality, so have limited production capacity.
If, and I hope, other customers are getting the same care PT is, I'm looking forward to dropping some money at PP. I think my last concern with Chinese direct bike parts is warranty support and Joe, it looks like you've got that covered.
Note: Joe or PP never persuaded me to hide or censor this video, like other brands may have. I hope this video acts as a notice to any other young brands - please don't send shite in that's not checked or finished. You will not get a free plug or a sales channel.
Pandas everywhere in the comments. I thought they were endangered 😂
Excellent response.
@@PeakTorque "persuaded me to hide or censor this video, like other brands may have." You say 'may', but it sounds like you are saying this has actually happened to you or other youtubers. Is your statement on persuasion conjecture on your part or have you experienced this first hand and/or do you have second hand knowledge of it? Like, exactly how fishy is the youtube bike parts review scene? It sounds like you are implying it is more fishy than a non-insider might assume.
Obviously, there is the sponsored content to be wary of. But here, it sounds like you are throwing shade at the independent reviewers who's content might not be considered sponsored and/or is existing in a grey area of sponsorship where while are reviewer might not be getting paid outright for a review, they do stand to gain from a positive review.
I'm not asking you to name and shame here, but can you say the quiet part out loud please?
Joe's team contacted me July 24th and cited the issue you were having, took full responsibility and offered to send me out a replacement end cap. I tested my front wheel and didn't notice the issue. In fact, I really struggled to get the end cap off because it was so tightly fit. Despite that, I requested a replacement end cap just in case, and they were very quick to oblige. All that said, I've put 500 miles on these wheels before getting sidelined with a non-cycling-related surgery. As just a person who rides bikes, who has no technical knowledge or credentials, these wheels have been phenomenal for me. Can't wait to get back on them once I'm healed up. Looking forward to the aero test - thanks Peak Torque!
I really admire your honesty. The world needs more honest and incorruptible people like you.
Absolutely amazing video. No one else on the planet right now reviews wheels as precisely and detailed as you do.
This is honestly good for panda podium and these wheels. Shows how a company responds when dealing with issue. I may buy for a good product but ill come back again because of quailty service and how companies deal with issues. QC is everything in manufacturing ,i hope they learn from this.
Thanks - your professional conduct in being open with the issue and the actions of the vendor is a breath of fresh air and much appreciated. That said 9Velo looks like a better value proposition (for me).
Great video and great to see the company accepting the observations and improving.
Great looking wheels and looking forward to a new review of the fixed product.
Great job, PT! Consumers need this kind of truthful review more often.
We all appreciate the HONESTY 👍💯
Love the honesty. This is why I keep coming back for your content.
Cheers dude
Thank you so much. I like many others rely on your integrity and honesty.
If they can’t get the end cap tolerances right, a seemingly simple detail to provide in a drawing set, what other things have they missed that are not apparent from a the first few rides or visual observation 🤔
Outsourcing I'd say of the end caps. They should be visually checked in QC but that's China at times.
It happends also in DT Swiss wheels with front end caps oversize boost version, they become bend on the edge and wobble under pressure. Replacing they and no problem for next few years.
It's gotta be said, these are cool looking wheels!
Yea man, I got over 1000km on my wheels so far…. I did an unboxing of the wheels and they LOOKED great. Now I have had mikes on there, being heavy rider 200lbs riding in groups 26-28mph with Strava to confirm the rides, I haven’t had any issues with the wheels… this is the truth. Sprinting riding no problems. Even had a friend take out the bike for the weekend to ride it. But no matter what people think, products will have an issue on something mass produced. And it all depends on how that company handles the situation. I have seen in my industry as well from big name brands like tactic hubs, and also dt seiss 180 hubs where the center lock was not machined right and wouldnt take the disc brake and the whole hub had to be replaced. My experience with the wheels has been extremely good, and so far the stats they bring to the table they are very impressive.
Fair enough, and yes my sample size is just 1. I am not asking for a youtube special, refreshing to see this pair clearly wasn't. But they wanted a review and I agree the stats are impressive. Just disappointed I could not review them and wasted quite a lot of time fault finding and measuring. Hopefully they'll get replaced and I can give a very positive review.
Out of curiosity, it wouldn't take but 30 seconds to pop your end caps off and measure them with some calipers...
@@PeakTorqueI agree with that, if anything, it shows a good sign that he’s not cherry picking his inventory knowing he’s shipping it out to a CZcamsr. This is good real world stuff
@@mikemiller756would it make you happy if I did that? If I’m not having issues would you want me to do so?
@@GCPerformance18 Well if it's undersized, it's undersized. It would be more data than a sample of one that PT has. Everything from the weather to simply just a different bike/fork/thru axle could be the reason you have had a different experience.
This is nice to see. Both your honesty and how Joe is responding. Honestly no surprises here as I know both of you are solid people from everything I've seen. If there's anyone I know who'll make the situation right, it's Joe, so I don't doubt that the end cap issue will be fixed in no time. I'm definitely very interested in a set myself and I'll be waiting for your full review to get one!
PT is great to work with. Obviously I wish this problem had never existed, but multi billion dollar car companies have recalls every day. Manufacturing is complex and things go wrong. Looking forward to getting the issue sorted though.
@@pandapodium.official Kick their butts Joe as its not good for you albeit not you fault. I understand your car manufacturers analogy but this is simple QC of a bicycle wheel in the end. I just had a frame from China with a crappy decal that was painted over. That should not have passed from bench to spray shop but it did. At least caps can be easily swapped.
Peak Torque back at it again and as always keeping it 100!!!!!!!
Much appreciated always!
Seems like a manufacturing process fix would help.
Are you gonna test it with the improved caps?
I wonder how much weight increase would occur if they just use the traditional hub axle.
New end caps installed then aero testing can begin once i have the new rear. I personally don't believe a traditional axle would add much weight as you then don't need the internal tube spacer (which is a larger diameter!).
6:55 mark - This is the best part of the video and a great reminder to content creators. Myself included. Chinese brands love to send products for "review" to YT channels with the highest subscriptions/followers, irrespective to whether or not they actually use, test, or push said products to its limits. I understand that for Chinese brands it's a numbers game at the end of the day for marketing purposes. However, this philosophy of speaking on products without any general testing does little for the consumer. With that said, there clearly seems to be a viewer demographic niche for everyone. Some viewers want engineering data, others want anecdotal opinions from crit racers, and some viewers simply just wanna know whether not any given product will leave them in the hospital from a catastrophic failure. As someone who is neither an engineer or competitive racer, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how folks like myself can avoid being the typical unboxing/review/discount code dude. Cheers!
Very interesting question. I think you can notice issues, anyone can, but whether anyone can diagnose root causes, that comes from luck or in my case years of engineering experience in industry (no degree will teach you these nuances). Anyway; some pointers.
1. Be so in tune with your bike. Get a baseline, silent set up. You will notice any sudden noises. Its amazing how much of a racket most peoples bikes make and they don't notice/dont care. In this case i would say 8/10 wouldn't notice the click i did.
2. Ride as many wheels as you can (say yes those that come in to your inbox). The more you ride the greater your 'feel'. Do not promise any reviews until at least 3 months of riding.
3. Don't rely on affiliate marketing as a sole income and dont be afraid to call out something you don't agree with. Thats the only way to build lasting trust. Once that is established, more brands will want to please you. - and if you're a hard sell, they have to make a better product. That is my recipe.
You think Big Brands don’t send their stuff for “review” on YT channels?!?! It happens ALL THE TIME. “Just Ride Bike” channel comes to mind. Just do a search on the new SL8.
@@Dee-Ell paid ad, not a review.
@@PeakTorque Agreed.
Just received some hope pro5 hubs and they use the same axel interface system. So far on inspection they are faultless with no play at all without an o-ring. Goes to show it can be done right!
Thanks for such a honest and thorough review!
Btw. what watch are you wearing in the video looks like a Seiko 5 Sports?
I think I've got the same issue on my Trifox rear wheel. Too much play in that top hat spacer. I've finished my build, I'll do a test ride and see if it is noticeable. Might end up requiring swapping in a different rear hub or a whole wheel. Front is fine, hard to mess up. Thanks pt.
Thanks PT for such an honest video. I hope your contribution to the quality of these wheels gets proper retribution (and recognition). I also really like seeing how you troubleshoot the issue and what you would have done as a better design.
Now that is a honest review. Well done! I am very happy with my 9Velo LV55 at half the price of the CRWs...
I really wanted these wheels , but went for the hypers instead, im kind of glad i did now. It just shows being an early adopter comes with alot of risks. Really appreciate the honesty , and I hope there is no love lost between you and Joe ,
wow glad I accidentally came across this video. I was considering the wheel set but now im going to wait a bit see if there are any other issues with qc that pop up and I definitely subscribed to your channel I really enjoyed the thorough review of the issue at hand Good job!
No rush. We're on back-order, so, waiting is a good idea. :)
Enjoyed this, super interesting!
Got my elite drive 50v wheels and they've been awesome
thank you for the update, was going to get these wheels and now after your review, l will get them. thank you
what update?
I mean review! 😂 ☹️ please do a follow up video when all of those issues are fix so that we can get an accurate reviewer who will tell the truth. I would really appreciate it because I like those wheels. But living in the USA will take about 30-45 days before they hit my house.
Cool to see you and Joe collaborating. I like Joe too, but you are right, if a wheel comes with issues they must be called out. Thank you, respect.
Industry Nine Torch front hubs had the same issues. I decided that my hubs will always be DT Swiss from that moment, except for my XC bike which has I9 hydra hubs for the zero-lag engagement.
Woah, really? That is pretty bad considering theyre a big name.
@@PeakTorque More specifically Torch Road hubs in centerlock. The endcaps fits inside the hubshell and it did creak from time to time just like you described. As far as my Hydra hub goes, the rear one did slip and I9 instructed me to double the springs i the drive mechanism.
Thank you PT for your service, not to the companies that send you their stuff, but to us average consumers for keeping these companies honest.
Thanks Alex, GC Performance needs to take note and ride his products
Can the hub internal be changed with the original dt swiss internal?
Nice choice of hobgoblin gold! Consistent QC. I like to change it up occasionally with their IPA every now and again. 😎 Oh and the wheels look good too. Cheers. 🤓
very honest review :)
Nice looking wheelsets but getting up there in the $$$. I'm thinking of doing a self build with a pair of tune hubs, shallow 23mm rims off Ali and not sure on the spokes as yet. I like the clean look of internal nipples but I've had thin spokes break at the hole from stress. Very happy with the a Ryet set of wheels I've been using this year but they don't make a shallow climbing set. Just pindering the play in those end caps... shouldn't affect the mechanical function as the thru axle is doing the alignment work. More of an annoyance and poor sealing which is not acceptable. I had a similar issue with caps on a front hub a few years ago, sold on those wheels now but I'm think they were either Bitex or Novatec. Anyway of finding out if craft are making their own hubs or buying from the parts bin? It's a world of outsourcing and cobbling together ad-hoc event to the point that the caps could be outsourced whilst the hub body is made in house only.
Have you got any update on the open mould chinese carbon bike you had on a few months ago, you said you were going to do a longer term review at some point, cheers
Nice one PT. Pretty hard to keep integrity these days.
Any thoughts about why they chose this design instead of the common axle length? Is there any advantage?
Cheaper to accurately make the inner tube spacer (length tol) to set preload than a complicated stepped axle. Also easier to assemble. Weight wise hardly any difference.
Best part of this video is that I’ve learned how to service the Bitex hubs that I’ve got in my Farsports wheels.
The CZcams cycling niche is continuously head-over-heels for the latest Far East wheelset, meanwhile VDP is winning worlds on bone stock C50 wheels...
Fair point. C50s aren't cheap wheels though but certainly not weight weenie. I think recreational cyclists and semi professionals want the lightest products to get that edge where they may not have that pro level power.
@@glennoc8585 Have you actually checked prices? They're within a couple hundred of these wheels, a few hundred off the new Hypers, and cheaper than flagship FarSports. And that's excluding any VAT you may get hit with...which would make them more expensive! Compared to Western brands like Roval, Zipp, DT Swiss, etc, they're a good bit cheaper.
The point to be made is that the benefits, which are often hard to measure in real world, are overstated.
This. it's getting annoying to see all this exotic chinese stuff on YT as if the chinese are trying to reinvent the wheel. Get a basic and solid DT or a good Dura Ace and that's it. Seems like the only thing worth on this wheel so far is the shiny look....
And as another chinese fanboy youtuber (friend of PT) said recently on CZcams : you can't cheat the physics. If I was 88 kg on a 100 km/h alpine descent, I wouldn trust a 1200 g ultralight carbon wheelset. Weight or durability and robustness, make your choice.
Until Big Brands slap their logo on those same Chinese wheels and sponsor VDP. Just admit you brainwashed monkeys hate seeing China building them first. (You’re brainwashed to hate all the time. If it’s not the Soviets, it’s Vietnamese, then the Iranians, then the Iraqis, then the Afghans, etc. You don’t even know any of those peoples, never visited their country. Hate because your media tells you to.)
actually this system (where the endcap kind of forms the axle) is common on front wheels. I have this exact system on my reynolds AR41. And no issue with it.
But I agree with you : DT Swiss 240 or nothing. Never ever can you go wrong with that hub. I would go for that or nothing else on any wheel.
Sub'd for objective and quantitative review. Keep up the vids
Although it is disappointing that you had to be the one to identify these problems, the fact that Joe and CRW responded so quickly with a fix for ALL owners (present and future) is great. I was looking (lusting) at these wheels myself, but I just bought a new Emonda with perfectly serviceable carbon wheels and I can't justify an expensive upgrade like this right now.
Any thoughts on using sellotape for "fixing" the fit issues on the fly? Might sound silly, but could also work (can do a lot with that stuff).
No way would you get a turn of sellotape inside those tolerances.
@@gregmorrison7320 There is thinner tape available. Could that work?
Could you do a review on the Magene db508 ultra ?
nice review, can u do a magene DB508?
Merci pour cette vidéo,j’hésitais avec une paire de Roval rapide clx 2,je vais donc rester sur les Roval Tanpis pour mon porte monnaie,on verra quand elles seront au point .
Very interesting to see the CS5055 has a different front rim than the CS5060, which has a significantly wider rim.
Wow. What a shame. But great video.
As a side note, you mentioned not liking the DT Swiss 350. Just anecdotally, I've been running 350s on my MTB for over 4 years and I've been very impressed. (I would have gotten 240s but couldn't afford them.) I haven't had a single issue and with minimal maintenance. I've heard a couple mechanics say recently that they actually prefer the 350 over the 240 or 180. They said that the 350s were the most reliable of the bunch. I definitely believe you but from my own experience and hearing others like them a lot as well, I'd love to understand your opinion a little more. Thanks as always.
They have been reliable (still original bearings) but the lack of front axle means you need serious thru axle pressure or risk the front wheel bearings shunting onto the thru axle itself. Only happens on drops/jumps to flat, but it happens. Its the same mechanism as what's occurring here with this hub but more extreme as there's even more clearance.
@@PeakTorqueThank you sir. I'm strictly a XC rider but I do ride very rocky, rooty, technical trails. That said, I rarely work through my 100mm travel front or rear. Maybe that's why I haven't encountered the problem you're talking about. Hopefully never will! Based on one of your previous videos, I do tighten up my thru axle as much as possible though.
Hi,
I would like to know what is your opinion about DT Swiss hub 180 and 240. I'm considering buying DT swiss ERC 1100(180 hub ceramic) ERC1400(240 steel) there is 35 and 45 depth version . After some research it looks like those are the best over all wheels on paper(I'm thinking to get 45 depth version) for me that I can find Price(in Europe you can find them for good value)/weight/spear part/service etc. My question is do you thing that there is any benefit of getting 240 hub(if we take out ceramic Bering from the equation) version over 180 hub. What I want to know is if from your experience there will be more flex if rider is tall and about 94-96kg in 180 hub then 240 as there is less material on the hub or that really doesn't matter? Thanks
I appreciate the Snatch cameo
Using 180 rotors specifically for the alps?
It's always refreshing to see these kinds of issues noticed and flagged. Did it really need to be a 24 minute video though?
Haha, love the sound clip from Snatch. :D
Glad someone noticed. My mum thought it was an editing error 🤑
@@PeakTorque I think everyone noticed part of the classic. Just no one pointed it out in the comments. I would made sound insert more leveled with main audio stream level though.
Bad food, worse weather, Mary f***ing Poppins, London! @@PeakTorque
@@PeakTorquemany of us noticed. A Masterpiece that film
Good as issues are already addressed accordingly
Great review with usual honesty from yourself (great POD relative to mainstay CZcams plebs) and in this case Joe in response making all parties credible in an industry of schills and lazy manufacturers... reinforces a bad situation handled well can create more benefit than damage..... Looking forward to the final review and aero performance.
let's see if Joe and all these niche chinese brands can still cope with that level of response when they'll have the volumes of the bigger brands.... it's easy to be very customer friendly when you sell 10 wheels a year. More complicated when you sell 100 000 wheels and have to deal with those QC problems.
That hub design is also on giant’s PR-2 disc wheel. This wheel set came on all giant advanced (not pro or sl) series bikes. It’s absolute garbage. My end cap and the o ring was completely disintegrated after 1000km of ridding. At the end, you get random braking ‘cause of the deformation. I went through 3 front wheels before realizing something is wrong with the design and bought a pair of farsports wheel.
BTW I think rider weight has something to do with the noise. If you are below 60kg, it’s hardly noticeable.
If you had the choice would you go 6 bolt over centre lock for a disc wheel set?
Yep
Only takes 1 big Englishman and 1 5yearold Frenchman that’s horny to whip the shady bike industry!
Are you doing anymore videos on these wheels?
Quality review. Honest but not just crapping on brands for clicks.
Don't tires typically go on easier the second time?
Really appreciate your honesty, was waiting for your review of these CRWs so will wait now for your definitive opinion. Have watched Joe for a number of years and do believe he will call out any defective products as well as Hambini, even if his hairdressing advice is a bit dodgy...
I've always believed that the more reviews you watch on something, the better informed you are to make a decision. Maybe we'll have to see what Hambini and his hairdresser think of the CRWs...
@pandapodium.official You have alot of people out in YT land that have followed you for years and are rooting for you. As with PT and Hambini, your support comes from the trust punters have in your integrity built up over years, as opposed to the usual shilling cycling YT reviewers.
Would a hope 12mm end cap fit better? (understanding that "a fix is in the post")
Might be the right diameter but might not be the right length/offset. I've got the bigger ones now
I'm buying a pair of these shortly.. as soon as the QC issues are fixed...
We'll be here once we've earned your trust.
@@pandapodium.official please post when you've addressed the issues that PT identified. New products often have an issue or two; understandable. Thx
Wtf were they thinking not making the wheel axle one piece? And for what to save a few grams?
Sorry bit if they are claiming +/- 0.002 in production I would want to know what their calibration process is and are they 100% inspected. To hold that in production is a massive undertaking. Also can you inspect the bearing bore please. Tie the shaft down as mush as you want but if the bearing end is oversize as well the shaft size is irrelevant.
Bearing fit I will check good point. 0.002 may require hand lapping, not easy as you say but i know one hub maker that is doing exactly that!
10/10 video. From one engineer to another, I greatly appreciate your perseverance despite what does seem to be free consulting from your end. Keep up the good work :)
Of course I massively appreciate PT's feedback, and while I understand PT's frustration, a brand would have to be suicidal to send a product with a known issue to PT in the hope that he helps them fix it for free. The damage to brand reputation would far exceed the price of his engineering audit.
I was a little iffy about China Cycling name-dropping PT in his introductory hawking of CRW.
Your chain isn't silent! Liked the Snatch reference.
Wax bruv.
I'm happy with my elite drives
I'm surprised Joe doesn't pick up on this stuff before he stocks it. He seems pretty thorough. How do we know everything else on PP is safe if these slipped through the nets? I'm hoping it's a one off because I like Joe and I want him to succeed.
I was more surprised than you! Everyone can check my Strava, I'm riding all this stuff every day. I obviously wouldn't be able to ride it if the rear rotor wasn't locked down. I also wouldn't send a pair to PT if I thought there was a problem. There will always be a ~1% rate of products with issues in the bike industry. Only industries like aerospace can x-ray every single component, etc, etc. If you applied those standards to the bike industry, a wheelset would cost $20,000. It's not a PP-unique problem... a random example would be when the last generation of Shimano cranks were all splitting open... yet every single bike retailer continued to sell them. It doesn't mean it's "okay" though and I will continue to do everything in my power to make that number as low as possible. Hopefully this transparency helps with the confidence. Thanks for liking me Joe... I like you too!
In fairness to Joe that's a big ask for any retailer it's just not realistic. Ive been a importer and retailer of goods off and on for 20 years and it's impossible to check every product especially if your shipping direct to customer from manufacturer. Suppliers can make it break you.
Could be that joe is too light for that problem to occur 😆
what is the little hole in the rim for?
Water drainage. Most rims have them.
Hey. Still a rim brake rider. Only a Cat 2. Still trying to figure out why some guys use disk brakes with conventional cables. Advantage? Disadvantage? Less fuss?
That Stink Eye at 7:00 was money! 😳
Give an engineer a poor product, and he will happily tell you what’s wrong.
But tell an engineer that others are passing on rave reviews after suspect assessments …look out!
Nice to see and why I come here….cheers.
How have you been getting on with the RideNow tubes? I bought 10 in the spring, I now have only 5 left (that's 3 on bikes and 2 in a saddle bag). 2 I busted immediately when mounting, 2 wouldn't hold their air at all (low and behold I found a tiny hole on both occasions), and 1 died from a small curb strike - a butyl tube would never have flatted there, I was quite surprised - pressures at 7Bar - I also found the patches don't work for shit. These tubes are cheap but somewhat a false economy. My Tubolito has been faultless, but that's a sample size of 1 and might just be luck. I can't justify the price for more of them though.
Sadly I bought some lightweight butyl tubes as my next batch of tubes :( ... Tubeless can get to fuck - was sick to the teeth of wrestling these tyres onto my wheels, and the price of the latest GP5000s... Mind boggling.
Same here, I have been riding them this summer and I never gone through so many tube. 2 days ago, fixing a flat on the side of the road, the spare tube just slice open close at the base of the valve, had to install an other one. That other one, now 100km later, started deflating on a ride yesterday. I could not find anything wrong, so I brought back the tube for further inspection. It's basically loosing air at the seams (where they piece them together). I had a lot more flat this summer than usual. They are cheap, but they don't last.
This why I held back my urge go RideNow after reading so many issues are there. That stuff just needs to settle down.
Ridenow have been faultless for me. The early ones had Leaky valves though. About 1/5 would leak.
@@PeakTorque haven't really noticed leaky valves, if it's closed tightly.
I just keep finding holes in them 😬... Might be or might not be due to my installation method, difficult to get on without pinching.
To be fair, if they're in, on, inflated to 7bar, and if they retain 7bar by the following morning I don't see any other issues and they have been reliable... If it drops to 5 or 6 bar overnight, they're manageable for a short period, but it progressively gets worse and they require air during rides = time for bin.
@@mikehall6608 Same experience, when they are good, they are good. But so far it seems like 1 out of 2 have a problem. The newer one (with the white stem) seems to have the same issue.
Nice video,
Also, what Watch is PT wearing ? Lovely piece
Seiko skx
@@PeakTorque A man of taste. Seiko make pimp divers. I love my Prospex SBDC003
Any plans to review Magenes soon?
You should definitely send them a bill for consulting services (10h work @ 1400 USD/h at the least). Would make for a great vid 😂
So it’s a no go ?
As a not entirely anal electronics tech I noticed a grinding sound on just about the only still day I've ridden and I had no music playing from my phone in my toptube bag. After km's of listening to it I isolated it to my right leg power stroke. Some further analysis as I got to the steeper section of the road and I worked out the sound. It was the lack of lubrication in my dodgy right knee. Moral of the story is that music is good, grinding knee sounds are bad.
Ahh the classic Ikea high chair. The tray is important for extending the reach to the table, so the little cretins don't have your drinks all over the floor.
Did they provide you a remunerative offer for your consultation? Would be only fair in my opinion. Ain't no way I'd do that for free.
This is bontrager RSL price range, it should be absolutely perfect.
I agree with your anology 100%. There using you for proto type engineering anyalsis
Think you really kept your cool there, considering they've sent you a product that could have put your safety at risk. I had a front wheel that made a similar noise a couple of years ago, I'm now wondering if this too could have been the issue. Commendable work you're doing as day-to-day consumers aren't likely to spot some of these problems, manufacturers need to know it's not acceptable.
Curious what that brand of wheel was?
Stick to your honesty! That's why I'm here anyways!
the lockring issue is an endemic one since the release of centre lock rotors , i would place the blame squarely at shimanos feet , it needs one aproach then leave it alone , but shimano are keen to keep messing with stuff that should by now be utterly fool proof . i got to a point with customers being miffed about delays that i would buy any lock ring i saw on the market to hold in stock so i always had a fix , at last count i had 6 tools just to fit lockrings in their many permutations ,, that is all knock on for customer pricing for what should be cheap and fast repairs. the axle issue was a booboo , i wish shimano was as helpful and quick as panda podium and the craft wheel manufacturers . shimano would still be denying there is an issue if they made those wheels .😘
Centerlock is an absolute mess. It's more complicated, expensive and harder to machine than 6 bolt. There are zero upsides ( i know because i am making the f*cking things now). Secondly, DT use a metric standard and Shimano quote it in imperial TPI on their drawings (which is similar but not absolutely the same) . Absolute joke.
@@PeakTorque why the fook is a Japanese company using imperial on a new (rather than legacy) standard? 🤦♂️
@@pmcmpc I don't know. But i have the official drawing. I will show it in a video sometime maybe.
Yeah, PTs feedback sent me down a rabbit hole of center lock failures. Shimano's own "white lettering" and "black lettering" caps have noticeably different threads (and not just the length.) It's very frustrating!
Why do disc break wheels cost as much as rim break wheels? They appear to be similar to make with less technology, you dont need to create a high tech, heat resistant carbon break track that has good breaking properties.
Why do you think the bike industry pushed so hard for disc brakes? Higher profit for everyone! You also need to factor in rim brakes give brands a lot more $$$ costs in replacing delaminated rims.
Probably didn't anodise the endcaps long enough.
Even if the fit of those end studs (can't really call them caps, right?) was perfect, this is sort of engineering unaccepable for wheels priced over 200$. The weight saving from getting rid of a solid axle adds rather value in marketing than somehow significantly cuts cost in manufacturing.
Im not sure there is a weight saving over a dedicated shouldered axle, because then you don't need the internal tube spacer (which is larger diameter, thus r^2 mass increase etc). Anyway, its three tenths of fuck all
@@PeakTorqueyes, the tube spacer is usually lighter, because it can have a thinner area than an axle, as it doesn't carry shear load on top of being stiffer in bending. And it is only third of length.
@@feedbackzaloop its not thinner than a 240 axle.
@@PeakTorqueis it though? If so, then there is unnecessary margin where extra level of redundancy should have been, so there is a loss without winning in use of a cheaper process. Also, is it DT a direct competitor here, not Novatec/Bitex/etc?
I think I’ll just stick to light bicycle and mainstream manufacturer hubs.
My LB rims and carbonTi hubs haven’t failed me yet.
No spare spokes Joe??
Not as standard. The odds of you snapping a spoke are low... the odds of you snapping just one spoke are even lower. Most brands supply 1 spare spoke of each length. The odds of them being useful are near to none. However, if you do insist, we can supply spare spokes in a set of 4 for 40 USD. Really don't recommend it though. Buy your wife something nice instead.
Is there still any problem with this wheels?
Floating rear disc😅
ITs a FeaTUrE. 🙃
You should ask to get paid for consulting, plain and simple. Both issues are entirely unacceptable. Doesn't even take an engineer to understand that play that goes click click and a rotor you can't tighten are unacceptable problems... Now what if we find out that their carbon layup consistency is random as well? On such light wheels, it can be catastrophic. Why take the risk? And they're expensive. I understand panda podium wants to capture some of that dentist cycling vibe, but not for me for sure.
Gas mark 6, hobgoblin... this video is rife with cooker references
Really don't see the reason to ride anything other than a DT hub. They're just better, and the few issues I've had with them have been resolved super quickly by their customer support. I had an issue with an undersized hub shell on a 240 rear hub, and they sent me a replacement unit before I even mailed back the faulty one.
i like a bit of snatch