Cardo PACKTALK/BOLD - "DMC Bridge" Feature is Awesome!
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- čas přidán 4. 10. 2018
- *Using the new Cardo Connect app and headset firmware v4.0 or higher!* Works with any of Cardo's DMC Mesh headset models
One of my favorite abilities of this headset. DMC Bridge allows you to bring any Bluetooth headset or mobile phone call into/out of your Mesh DMC group conversation. Each Packtalk can bridge someone in. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
You are a God sir, I'd triple-like this video if I could! I watched a couple of your videos including this one. Then I went for a ride with a group consisting of 4 DMC-capable Cardo's and each one of them bridging in a 'just bluetooth' unit. 8 riders total and it worked flawlessly → we had an epic ride. Thanks again! 👍🏻👍🏻
Well done!!! Fantastic man- thanks for the comment and awesome to hear 👍
Your videos are the best. There's so much confusion and misinformation about using these things. Thank you!
Nice explanation on the DMC bridge. Found this video from your plug in another video. : )
A libk to this video ahould be sent wjth every cardo purchase. Thank you sir. 4 years later and still helping out the community
Great video, just purchased the Packtalk bold 👍🏼
Very nice and clear explanation of how it is done! Thank you so much. Best regards from Germany
Awesome, and thank you for the comment!
Great video, best explanation I’ve seen for a really useful feature
Thanks! Yeah I find this feature and the Private Chat feature to be extremely useful.
Best explanation ever! Thanks so much! Cheers!
tmaruno 🍻!
Excellent demo. Thanks for the tip on the app not connecting. It happens quite often and I have normally shut down and restarted the app and the unit to fix it 😖
Very informative & thank you for taking the time to help us all out. I recently started riding with a rider who uses a Cardo SHO-1. I realize we have to use a blue Tooth connection & we have had some success but the connection is constantly dropping when we are riding 15-20 feet apart out in the country so no signal interference that we are aware of. I suspect it is how he has his GPS & Phone connected to the SHO-1 & this is the reason for my question. What is the optimum way for him to setup his phone & GPS with the Sho-1 or is the Sho-1 incapable of doing everything he is asking it to do & communicate over a blue tooth device? He has disconnected his phone from the Sho-1 with good & bad outcomes. Thank you in advance for your insight.
You are doing great work here. I’ve been on the fence about the Packtalk Bold but your videos have convinced me to get off my wallet
Thanks for the comment! And enjoy that thing!!!
Thanks a lot you are the best
Brilliant really appreciate your help
thanks!
Thanks for posting! I can not understand why Cardo says little to nothing about how to use the their app. I guess is they leave it up to you, the independent channels... Great info! and a huge help! Thank you again!
Awesome to hear and thanks for the comment!
You are a life saver
Great video. I have a question, coming from the fact that I will be travelling with a group of 7 friends on a quite a long trip from Ireland to Europe this summer.
Right now we all have Interphone Bluetooth headsets and the max we can link together is 6, not 8. Without doing something clever we’d have to have two separate Bluetooth groups. Not good.
I have been looking at your video and wondering if my wife and I were to get 2 Packtalks would it be possible to have 2 x 3 ‘chains’ of Bluetooth connected to each with the Packtalk devices using DMC? It strikes me that if you can bridge in one Bluetooth device as you have shown, then if that Bluetooth device is also connected to other Bluetooth sets we should all be joined?
The key question being can you have a chain of Bluetooth radios bridged into the DMC? Or can it handle just 1?
(Omgosh if you all had Packalk...DMC Mesh would be PERFECT for this trip...)
Great question and I'll do my best to answer. First and foremost, it's important to remember that ANYTIME you are pairing one brand with a different brand, it uses the "Mobile Phone" pairing slot of ONE of them. Watch this video I did for more info on this: czcams.com/video/We9oTBTq_ao/video.html
I start with that, because what you are trying to do MAY be do-able, and it depends on the capabilities of the Interphone headsets you have. IF the Interphone has the ability to bring an active phone call into the intercom group (ex. 3 Interphones connected for intercom and talking, one of them gets a phone call....can he bridge that phone call into the group so that all 3 of them can hear and talk to the caller?? Might be noted in the Interphone manual is Conference Calling or something like that...) then yes, it should work.
Here's why:
When setting up a cross-brand pairing, one of them treats it like an actual "Intercom" session (universal pairing), and the other headset treats it as an active "phone call" (mobile phone pairing). This is the way all brands connect to any other brand, and it uses the HFP Bluetooth Profile, the same profile it uses when pairing a mobile phone for phone calls. Basically, one of the headsets "THINKS" it's on an active phone call, but it's not, it's talking to another Bluetooth headset. So if a headset can be on a true intercom session, and bring an "active phone call" into that intercom session, then theoretically it should work.
Here's how the pairing would go:
1.) Put both Packtalks in a DMC/Mesh group with each other then set them aside
2.) Pair 3 Interphone headsets together using their recommended intercom pairing order
3.) Pair the other 3 Interhpone headsets together same as the first 3
4.) Grab 1 Packtalk, and 1 Interpone from the first "Interphone group", and pair them together using Universal Intercom on the Packtalk, and Mobile Phone pairing on the Interphone
5.) Grab the 2nd Packtalk, and 1 Interphone from the second "Interphone group", and pair them together same as above
6.) Get the 1st group of Interphone users talking to each other
7.) Get the 2nd group of Interphone users doing the same
6.) Activate "DMC Bridge" on the first Packtalk (one press of the Intercom button) and wait for it to connect to the Interphone headset it's paired with. Since the Interphone will then think it's on a "phone call", have that Interphone "share that phone call" with the rest of his Interphone group and the 4 of them will be connected
8.) Do the exact same thing with the second Packtalk and the Interphone it's paired with, then the 8 of you will be connected because the Packtalks will be glue-ing those two groups together via the "DMC-Brdige" capability of the headset.
I'll be super curious to know if this works so let me know!! lol. As I said, theoretically it should, assuming the Interphone has the ability to bring a "phone call" into its "Intercom"-world.
P.S. If you end up with a total of 4 Packtalks, this all would change (for the better), because then you could connect those 4 together in DMC/Mesh, and have each Packtalk just DMC-Bridge in ONE Interphone headset each. This would connect all of you together for comms, and since the "core 4" would be connected using DMC it would be MUCH more stable...
Thumbs up but I tell you, when we are in the parking lot trying to group, it’s all out the window!
I couldn't get it to work, bridge kept dropping off
I would like to see how you can pair a cardo unit with a non cardo unit and then bridge it by using the app alone - you seemed to go to manual mode and I kind of lost you! Could you do a video just using the app please?
Just wondering so you can’t bridge if you have A & B paired to Bluetooth or from what you said A will be bridged but B not?
Another question if let’s say me and my friend are connected as Freecom 4+ then one of us is A on friend 2 packtalk but then my friend 1 is B on my Freecom, can he hear friend 2?
Just wondering the possibilities of this.
Also thanks for the reply on the other video.
Hi MotoGeek, your channel’s great !!! I have a question. Once you have paired your Packtalk with a G9 and gone into DMC, does this connection last, even if you turn the sets off?
Thanks! So the answer is yes; once paired in Bluetooth Intercom Mode, if you switch over to DMC Intercom Mode, your Packtalk and G9 would remained paired and usable for Intercom (via the DMC-Bridge feature).
I know that if you have the Packtalk in Bluetooth Intercom Mode, paired to the G9, and turn it off...they would remained paired the next time you go to use them. The only thing I’m not sure about is if you were to leave it in DMC Intercom Mode; would it remember the G9? I’m aaaaalmost positive it would, just haven’t tried it personally. If you find out please share! Hope that helps!
MotoGeek Freak
Hi again. About pairing the Packtalk ( two sets) with a G9 and go into DMC, it worked until we turned the sets off, once we turned them on again, we had to bridge them again. The communication between the Packtalk and G9 was extremely unstable and had to keep it within a very short range ( 20/30 mts) a couple of times we lost it alltogether and had to bridge the G9:again. Guess better to keep it among Packtalk in DMC. Thanks for your help
How do we use Packtalk Bold with the new smartphone bike integration? I have a Can Am Spyder and use BRP Connect. The app in the bike's dash doesn't work.
Hello! When bridgingto another device, can you play music from your moile phone or is it necessary to disconnect the bridging to play music from your phone?
I never knew this was an option until I just saw the bridge button in the app. My wife,friend, and I all have the bold so we just default to DMC but my other friend got a Cardo freecom2x and we were worried about having to use Bluetooth only.
Even if he had a 2x, could he talk to more than one person?
I need help how to connect Cardo Packtalk Bold with Gopro 4? 🙇♂️
The latest update is suppose to allow us to play music from our mobile phones across the mesh network.
A: How do I (a pack creator) utilize this new feature in the background for the benefitof the entire group?
And,...
B: Can i play my music, directly from a mobile phone, while simultaneously I've already bridged another device (eg: a Sena 20s) into our DMC network?
It would really help if you re-did this video using the App only. So frustrating that you did not follow through, as yours is the only video I could find that discusses the Cardo App. It supposedly will do all the necessary connections, but I can't get it to do so, and in this video the app is only half used.
I have a question please I just bought the cardopack talk bold set for a trip I’m planing. I connect both devices in dmc mode and I talk on both but listening music just on one. How can I share the music to my second device without changing to Bluetooth mode. Then if I change to Bluetooth mode I can hear music on both devices but I can’t talk I have to stop the music first a touch intercom
Please. Need help with this
Once more question -- in bluetooth mode (using Cardo Gateway), does the channel stay open (i.e. hot mic) the whole time? When I am using Cardo Gateway I can't listen to music, get GPS directions, or anything else unless I close the Cardo Gateway channel.
I haven't been able to getting parallel audio streaming (intercom and music together) while having an active intercom session via DMC-Bridge. Personally I have an iPhone, so not sure whether or not it works differently on Android. Have you tried turning on the Parallel Audio Streaming feature on their Cardo Community and retesting? Curious as to whether or not that would do the trick...
This video is *almost* useful, but I had to go back to the manual. The problem I have is that whenever I pair my Sena into the Packtalk I lose connection to the Cardo app for good.
Unfortunately you switched between DMC and Bluetooth and back to DMC using the app, which I can't do after pairing. You should have demonstrated it all with the buttons on the device. In that case it means hitting the Phone and Intercom buttons at the same time to switch between DMC and Bluetooth intercom. And of course hitting only the intercom (top) button once, disables and re-enables the bridge itself with a rising blurp and or falling blurp.
Small question, about DMC Bridge mode, i have a interphone fx5.
a. can i use bridge mode with the Packtalk to the Interphone?
b. how is the sound if i use bridge mode. are the noise filters still working as great as the do. or is the worst bridged unit. affecting the sound/ noise in the dmc group. greets from Holland. :-)
Holland! Nice!!
a. Yes, DMC Bridge feature on Packtalk will bring the Interphone fx5 (or any other Bluetooth-only headset) into the DMC group.
b. I've heard good things about the fx5 (it's not a crappy headset) so it may actually sound pretty good! When you use DMC Bridge to bring in a crappy headset, yes, it can and will affect everyone else! Only thing: the range between the Packtalk and the Interphone fx5 will not be very great, and that's normal when pairing two different brands together. Anyways, best of luck!
Trying to pair a Sena SMH5 to my Packtalk bold and its not taking it for some reason. Gateway is open and Sena unit is in phone pairing mode as per the video but nothing is happening. It just keeps timing out. Its the same on the button method as it is with the app :-(
Hi Motogeek, your channel is so informative, used it loads, now I have a question
Our group has 2 packtalk bold, 1 smartpack, 1 scala rider team set pro, and a friend has a standard Bluetooth headset
How do we go about pairing them? And my Bluetooth friend will he have to
disconnect his satnav and phone to allow connection to us?
Many thanks, keep up the great work😎
Hey Paul, thanks and glad you find them useful! Okay, now for your answer (stick with me on this one). This is the correct video for this conversation, "DMC Bridge", because this is the exact feature that will make it happen for you. For starters, make sure your Smartpack has the latest software. They gave that model a BIG boost on the latest update (it's now identical to the original Packtalk and most importantly it gained the DMC-Bridge feature). So, you have 3 DMC headsets (2 Packtalk Bolds and a Smartpack).... you will want to put those 3 into a DMC Group with each other. After that, have each DMC headset pair to one of the Bluetooth headsets. For Example:
-Packtalk Bold 1 paired to Teamset Pro 1 on Channel A
-Packtalk Bold 2 paried to Teamset Pro 2 on Channel A
-Smartpack paired to standard Bluetooth headset using Universal Intercom pairing on the Smartpack and Mobile Phone pairing on the standard Bluetooth headset.
At this point you're set. Each DMC headset will activate DMC-Bridge to pull their Bluetooth headset into the group, and all 6 of you will be connected to hear/talk to each other. Hope that makes sense and helps out a bit!
That’s superb! Thanks ever so much👏👏👏😎👍
Am I right in thinking you can pair another brand bluetooth headset to a Packtalk on channel A at the same time as your phone to channel B for music etc? Sorry if that's a silly question just trying to decide if i'm going for a Sena 30k or a Packtalk Bold
Daniel Jones With Cardo the A and B channels are both exclusively for Bluetooth Intercom but have nothing to do with your device pairings (say Device 1 and Device 2) So, yes you could be paired to another brand on your A channel, but still absolutely be paired to your phone as “Device 1” and say a GPS on “Device 2” all simultaneously. Hope that helps!
MotoGeek Freak Brilliant, thank you. I do have another question as you seem to know a lot about these. I want to record audio to a Sony X3000 (they have a 3.5mm jack so none of this GoPro adapter business) including my voice and what I’m hearing. Do the Bolds have an aux out for this? I know the speakers are on a jack so I could use a splitter but apparently they don’t have sideline so I would only be able to record what I’m hearing and not my voice, is this correct? Do you know of any other ways around it?
@@DanielJonesParamotor Good question. Okay so I haven't tried this myself but a buddy has and apparently it work great. First off, you're correct the Packtalk's don't have sidetone so recording via a splitter on the speaker jack will capture everything else but won't capture YOUR voice. This is what he did: got an extra DMC headset, made it part of the "group", and tossed it in his backpack with a digital recorder connected to it. It captures everything. If you decide to go this route, here's a tip: look for a single SMARTPACK model. This model is discontinued by Cardo but has full-mesh capability and would be the easiest on the wallet to make it happen. Anyways, best of luck and hope that helps!
Thanks man, very helpful!
In my case, the bridge only last about 13 seconds. Any way to get it connected longer?
Same problem. It lasts for 15 sec.
Do you have a solution?
Do you know of any way to bridge in 2 Sena’s with only 1 Packtalk? So if I have a Packtalk and 2 friends with Sena can we form a bridge group?
Hey there - to best answer this question I would suggest checking out the vid I just posted about the "Golden Rules" on universal intercom pairings. In short, yes you can all 3 talk with the headsets you have, but because there is 2 Senas and 1 Cardo in this arrangement, your going to have 1 of the Senas use Universal Intercom Pairing the "hack into" your Packtalk (that will make more sense once you watch the vid! lol) Hope it helps out!
Great video. Also watched your "Golden Rules" which does, indeed, clear up a lot of confusion. Nice work.
I have a couple questions (one for this video and one on the "Golden Rules" video):
Question: Can the Non-Cardo headset (in this case the Sena 20s) also initiate/open and close (or drop in and out of) a DMC conversation/group?
Thanks!
Thanks! As for your question: it's a good one! I'm almost Positive that the Non-Cardo headset can open/close (join/leave) the DMC conversation once setup as the "Bridge" unit, but I'm not entirely sure. I need to try this and get back to you. Of course the Packtalk can open/close the "Bridge" to the Bluetooth headset and bring it into the DMC conversation, just need to confirm whether or not the "other" headset has the same option. If you find out for yourself before I do let us know here!! Thanks and sorry for not having a complete answer to this!
@@MotoGeekFreak All good brother. Seems like we are both on the same path with this stuff. Thanks for the efforts! 🤓
Doesn't Cardo Pactalk have a button to activate the Mesh / DMC function just like Sena??
hi there is rider A & rider B on cardo app; can we also have rider C ? i thought we could be paired 4 riders in intercom mode with cardo packtalk & freecom 4.
Hey @Trekky Delirium, yeah first off you can definitely connect 4 riders for intercom between packtalk & freecom. Here's the easiest way to do it: Pair both Freecom 4s together on their A channels. Then, pair both of the Packtalks together on their respective A channels. THEN, take one Freecom 4, and one Packtalk, and pair them together on their B channels (because A is already taken on both of them). This means, that if either Freecom 4 taps their Intercom button once, that'll open up the A channel and the Freecoms will be talking. Exact same goes for the two Packtalks to get them talking. THEN, double-tab the Intercom button on one of the headsets that has been paired on a B channel, and that will connect the Packtalk(s) to the Freecom(s). As for the C channel, I'm totally confused as to why it exists in the first place. You don't need it (or use it) when connecting 4 headsets for Bluetooth intercom. Anyways, hope that helps!
If I’m understanding this the cardo is acting like a phone to pair with the sena. Does that mean the sena rider can’t connect their phone to their headset and wouldn’t be able to make and receive calls?
Hey bud, thanks for the video...I got a question -
Say I have a group of DMC packtalks.
I want to add 2 Bluetooth intercoms to the group. Can I bridge in rider A and B. OR
Can I bridge in rider A and someone else from the DMC group bridge in the other bluetooth rider intercom.
Thanks
You will bridge in rider A and them someone else from the DMC group will bridge in the other one (on their rider A channel). Hope that helps!
@@MotoGeekFreak perfect thank you for the reply mate...I looked all over CZcams and couldn't find anyone demonstrating two Bluetooth add ons to the DMC group. Ride safe 👍
In earlier firmware versions, I thought the standard was to have the non-Cardo unit on the B-channel prior to using DMC bridge. But here you are saying it needs to be on the A channel. So this is a change from earlier versions, right? I remember Cardo being adamant about using the B channel for DMC Bridge.
Yes you are spot-on! DMC-Bridge originally was 2 clicks of the intercom button and would bridge-in whatever headset was paired on your B channel for intercom. After they released v4.0 firmware update it's now just a single click of the Intercom button and it bridges-in the A channel pairing (not the B channel). Took me some getting used to but makes a little more sense overall. Hope that helps!
@@MotoGeekFreak so you can only bridge one person per packtalk?
@@goombadeluxe Yeah each Packtalk can bridge in 1 headset. There's a small loophole to that though (and this depends on the capability of the headset you are bridging in)...if the headset you are bridging in is paired to, say, 2 other Bluetooth headsets, you would pull all 3 of them intro the DMC group. Little confusing but hope that helps!
Wow you a life saver,,,, I have a question how about the range, if we lost the connection by the range can sena automatically connected to cardo ??
Yes the range will be tight, and if you lose range one of you (either the Cardo or the Sena) will have to reactivate the intercom session - I don't think they will automatically re-establish the intercom on their own. Hope that helps!
@@MotoGeekFreak thanks 🙏🏻
and soft-firm ware update:
computer is necessary -> correct ?
No WiFi cradle available like Sena ...?
Yes, you need a pc or mac for any firmware updates.
Are Senas able to do that with Cardos? Is there a DMC Bridge function at Sena?
I believe they added something similar but don't hold me to it! I have to imagine they will if not - it's too beneficial not to have
Can i ask,
So, only A who can bridge ?
Could B pairing Bridge into the DMC together as well?
Only A can be Bridged in....BUT...if "A" is paired with and talking to the other headset (instead of putting the 3rd rider on YOUR B channel, have them pair with the "A" headset instead) when you bridge it in you will get both of them :)
what if we got 10 units in DMC and then can we join 2 Non DMC devices or is there a cap of the bridge feature?
If you had 10 DMC units you could actually add 10 non DMC units! Best way to think about it is each DMC unit can add 1 non-DMC unit to the group convo. Cardo and non-Cardo. Each DMC unit can bridge 1 unit in. Hope that makes sense and good luck!
how to share music during DMC Connection with 4 persons at DMC.
did you figure out?
get update 5.6
What happens when you turn Cardo off then resume a trip later
can you stream music to your friends?
You can share music with one person but not the whole crew unfortunately! None of them can do that yet as of this post.
All we get is robot sounds when we bridge them :(
Aaaaggghhhh that's not good! Try doing a power cycle after pairing them up and check to see if that fixes it? I haven't had the robot noise but I've had other issues and doing a power cycle normally will do the trick... hope it helps and best of luck!
Having been struggling on & off for months - on a overland trip from AU to EU via Asia now and really need comm's. I watched this CZcams and seems straight forward czcams.com/video/yw26fttMUjs/video.html I can not get either of the Sena 50S to connect to Cardo BT using the Sena mode 'Universal Intercomm Pairing'. Have tried resets on both devices - appreciate any tips (PS, I have been able to connect the Cardo BT Rider A as 'Phone 1 on Sena 1' and 'Phone 1 on Sena 2' and can push to intercom with one at time but the connection / channel closes after 10 seconds everytime. Tried Cardo bridging these BT connections under DMC and same - the channel drops after 10sec of talk / open time. I think the core is need to get the Sena 50S universal pairing to work first. Appreciate any tips or ideas !
What's the best way to connect a PT Slim, Freecom 4x and Sena 20s?