Cardo Packtalk Bold DMC Intercom Setup and adding Non Cardo units to the Meshwork!
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Part 2 of my Cardo connectivity series, and in this episode I take your through how to setup the Cardo DMC mesh intercom, and then how to add non cardo units into that same mesh group!
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The packtalk is the single best tech product i bought for the bike. It just works. Agree in the group to buy it.
Amazing 🤩 thank you for sharing this important video.
Thank you for your straightforward easy to follow explanation on how to mate these communicators. I don't care what AndyManCan says about you, I think you are ok. ;)
Many thanks😂😂
This is fantastic, thanks for putting it up for us :)
You're welcome Michael👍😜
Really helpful video man, nice one!
You're more than welcome Dave✌😜
Exactly what i needed, thank you.
You're welcome, glad it helped👍
Hello..from Malaysia here..always enjoy your video...more knowledge about motorvloging..i really like..
The limitation of BT units in a mesh group is the BT riders have to stay much closer to their individual Cardo wingmen while riding. The range is only about 80m-100m. That presents potential safety hazards while group riding at speed.
Ahh just what we wanted Shuan. Thanks
Glad it helped Mike✌😜
Love the 44teeth sticker ;-)
Thanks. But if we're all using Cardo Packtalks or in the Scala Cardo Packtalk family, how can we add others in the DMC mesh later on?
Another informative vid Shaun cheers. Maybe a future video on the use of Voice activation on a ride covid permitting..👍
Hello! With this connection, you can use the Waze in all intercoms??
2 nearest friends have uclear motion infinity and other who live further away have the Cardo bold. I bought the Uclear but the speaker usb C plug broke at the unit. I'm getting money back but wonder if the 3 of us with Cardo,s can connect with the Uclear ones ok
So did you just hold the button down for 5 seconds to connect the sena to the mesh?
I know the sena 20s only suits a group of 4. Is this number higher when connected to a Cardo mesh group?
Is there any possibility to build a mesh network with cardo and sena?
Thanks for this video very helpful. Has anything changed with the Sena 50S/R? Specifically will this connect as a mesh unit?
I couldn't really say as I've not looked into the Sena 50s! I know it now has Mesh 3.0 but you can upgrade the 30k firmware to the same Mesh 3.0
Cheers for that !!! Just needs some mates now !!!😂😂
M8's are key👍😂😂
Cheers Mate that's saved me a lot of swearing!!!
Spooky. Mine literally just got delivered. Going from a 10s to the Bold. Quality bit of kit and worth every bit of £420 for the duo.
Great stuff! Let me know how you get on with yours. I've had many other units over the years, but have only had the Packtalk for a short time, and thus far they're far better than anything else I've had.
@@thelikeablerider8800 - Hmmm. First test complete. Build quality is excellent and the intercom is rock solid but I think the speakers are much better in my Sena 10s. These can’t seem to handle any bass coming from my old school trance music, unlike the Sena. Bit miffed by that as quality sound is important to me. Think my earlier comment was somewhat hasty.
You can adjust you're volume levels in the settings on the App. Do you have the JBL speakers?
@@thelikeablerider8800 - Yes I have the JBL speakers (did the update before anything else). I’ve tried all the settings. Can’t go near full volume on my phone without it distorting but I need the volume to hear it. I’m going to fiddle with my iTunes EQ settings to see if that helps. It could be a quality control issue on my speakers as they seem to lack punch.
@@thelikeablerider8800 - Turns out that one of the units in the box has faulty speakers. Mine. Typical.
Very informative. Now, here’s a crazy suggestion, can you pair two Cardos in DMC mode with two, let’s say Lexin comms, while they are in their own proprietary intercom mode?
I couldn't guaranty that, but if you were to follow the same procedure as shown in this video, it should still work.
I’m struggling to connect the new nexx xcom3 pro with a cardo.. as it’s basically sena to cardo thought this might help but no luck.. about time the manufacturers made it easier and use as one 🤯
That's a shame!
They have started to make things easier with cross brand pairing, there's already an updated firmware allowing you to do this, but it's currently only available for the top spec Cardo units.
Easy when you know how
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Very good video I enjoyed this very much.
My question how to make room for new members in DMC group!
I ride with a group of guys and there's 15 of us in the DMC group , the max allowed. After a short time two of the members of the group leave the area and do not return. Now I have a new Rider that joins us and he would like to be part of our DMC group intercom, but I can’t add him since we are at the maximum number of members in the DMC mesh group (15).
As the administrator of the group, is there any way I can delete the old members who no longer ride with us from the DMC group to make room for new member? In the Cardo app there is a button that allows you to leave the group. Do you think if the old member (on his phone app) clicked on leave the group, that it would remove him from the DMC group and make room for new members?
Glad you enjoyed it👍
Yes this is an on going problem, and this question gets asked a lot. Unfortunately from what I have tried you as the administrator can't delete users out of your DMC group. You would need to recreate a new group which is less than ideal.
hey im a bit late here but im wondering if you are able to both share music and use intercom to a non cardo unit
Hi Duncan
I've never tried that, but I'd lean towards that function not working.
Question - I guess that the range must be much less to the bluetooth connected intercom? How close must the rider (using non-cardo bluetooth-connected unit) stay to you (with the Cardo, briding that person into the mesh) for it to work most of the time?
200-300m is tops I'd say! Try to be riding directly in front or behind or the guy you're paired with for best effect👍
Question I have a pac talk bold and my wife has a freecom4+ I have connected them via Bluetooth which works but dont get much distance, one she is about 3-400 mtrs away sometimes closer I cannot hear her and it is only clear when she is only about 3-4 bile lengths behind me, is this normal?
Hard to say! I would still advise upgrading the freecom4 to another Cardo, as you'll youll be working to the lesser units functionality. Yes it can be done but really isn't the best way to do it, as they'll always be a compromise.
Do you use the Zello walkie talkie app in conjunction with your packtalk? I have just downloaded this app on my iPhone and it allows you to use your phone as a walkie talkie using mobile data see ms to connect to the headset through the phone ok but haven’t tried it out on the bike yet. Thought it would be useful for when from time to time you become out of range. And would have been useful on occasions that I have ridden to France to meet up with a friend travelling from Spain.
No I've not heard of that! I've only tried the Cardo App to control the units, which works well.
Have the app too but have uninstalled and reinstalled app a few times as I can’t get the uk English tab in the settings to appear only us English which is frustrating. You can’t alter your settings now on cardo community anymore as it’s all done through the app.
Going back to the Zello app you can buy Bluetooth push to talk buttons that you can Velcro round one of your grips.
Even easier if you use the Cardo app
Excellent stuff. Wee query for you... If 4 buddies are using Sena or some other Micky mouse devices and establish themselves in a Bluetooth group, could you then pair the cardo unit with one of them as you have said above and so be in contact with all of them? obviously quality wouldn't be as good as DMC.
Becomes a bit more complicated if you're trying to be added to a bluetooth intercom group, but it should be possible! If I remember you can setup a bluetooth group with the Sena's. You need to pair with with one member like I've showed, let them initiate the bluetooth group intercom, once that is live make the call to the unit you're paired with, and you should be joined.
@@thelikeablerider8800 aye that's what I was thinking. Would just be easier if the peasants would upgrade.
Some gentle persuasion😜
What is the procedure to do the same thing the other way around? I have a packtalk bold, but most of my group is using the sena mesh intercom. I know the 30k has a universal pairing mode, and I can use phone pairing mode on my packtalk to connect to the 30k this way, but what does the 30k have to do in order to bring me into the sena mesh group?
Hi Kevin
Yes of course it'll work the other way round. One of you 30k friends needs to pair via Bluetooth to your cardo ( I have another video explaining that) first they need to create their mesh call, then the Sena paired to you needs to call you via Bluetooth (one tap of the phone button) and that'll bring you into their mesh call.
im not sure if you have experienced this yet, but 3 friends of mine all have senas and i have the packtold bold, all their senas are able to run the mesh talk, are we able to do this vice versa? as in they all go into mesh and then one of them invites me in through bluetooth?
Yes exactly! Only one of them needs to be paired to your device via Bluetooth. Like you say, let them establish their Mesh call, then the unit you're paired with just needs to call you via the Bluetooth intercom.
@@thelikeablerider8800 thank you! we will try this next time we are together!
@@R1deFast it will work but be prepared that it's not always that stable, it's drops in and out a fair bit. I would still advise all to use the same brand for a stress free experience👍😜
My friend and I run packtalks, and another friend runs a cardo freecom. I'm assuming this will work the same?
Yes of course! Only difference is that you pair to the freecom units using the standard Bluetooth pairing mode, and not the gateway (for non cardo units) but you add them to your mesh as seen in the video.
Great video Shaun question bud I have the Cardo bold👍 my buds run a Chinese unit each which work well would this work do u think on them as we can’t get together to try it 🤔🤪👍
If their units can pair to a mobile then you should be able to pair to them via the Gateway.
@@thelikeablerider8800 nice one cheers stay safe 👍👍
How to pair 2 x cardo pack bolds with 1 x sena SRL-02 ?
Thanks in advance
Hi
Firstly do everything in this video
czcams.com/video/seOySwhiTPs/video.html
Once you've done that, connect the packtalks together via Mesh, then make a Bluetooth call from the cardo unit what has paired with the Sena, and he'll be added to the group👍
Will this work to add Cardo Freecom units into the Packtalk Mesh group?
Should do yes 👍😜
🤯 That's easy for you to say!😂
I suppose if all else fails, read the instructions. 😁
Yes admittedly it looks easily done in the garage, can be a nightmare if friends are pressing the wrong buttons etc. That's why it's far best to all be using a Packtalk bold in DMC mode.
@@thelikeablerider8800 Yep, and, one person do the pairing of both units ;) ("give it me to me, I'll do it for you " ;) :D ) (or use the app, to avoid the "which button do I press now", syndrome ;) :D ). Be wary of "multiple, random, button jabbers", or, "users", I as I like to call them... ;) :D
Hello, thanks for the info! may i know how is the range after adding Sena to into Cardo DMC? is it better than the normal Bluetooth to Bluetooth connection?
Its not far! you need to be next to the rider you've connected to in the group, which isn't ideal!
@@thelikeablerider8800 ahhh that suck big time. there are total 4 of us in the group. 2 using Sena another 2 yet to get (including me). i was leaning towards Cardo, seems more reliable. but.... aiks... tough decision
It will work from Cardo to Sena but it's not ideal at some point your bound to have problems. I'd always advise to all use the same brand. Who's easiest to convince in the group?🤪
@@thelikeablerider8800 not gonna spend so much just to get a 'not ideal' result. haha.. considering they have already bought it, i guess its hard to convince them. 🤣. thanks for your advice and the video!
Chatting to yourself has its plus points🤣
Hi I've a couple question for you, I'm finding it impossible to change from one group to another via my phone the only way I can join another group which i was already in is to have the admin add me again also I think the limit of riders in a DMC group is 15 but how do I delete someone who has left the group so I can add a new rider, many thanks for your help.
Difficult one!
If you're already part of a group you should automatically stay in that group. If riders aren't present in that group, it shouldn't matter, you should be still part of it. Seems deleting single riders isn't possible, only deleting the whole group, by pressing and holding you finger on the group, you'll then get a "remove" icon in the top right corner. Just tried doing the same on individual riders, but that creates a private chat with that rider.
@@thelikeablerider8800 yes that's exactly what happens to me when I try to delete a rider...
I'm in a couple of different groups which are made up of different riders, I'm grand if I'm riding in the same group all the time it connects automatically which it's supposed to do but as previously mentioned I can't change groups other than being readded by the admin again, it's a bit frustrating having to do it all the time just to change groups 🤬
Many thanks for any advice 😁
@@normanhamilton1666 I haven't seen that problem I'm afraid, but I have seen an issue where the Cardo throws a fit if you have two groups, with the same set of units in both...
Bloody Rodney! 😄
Rodney needs a Cardo...
Most definitely😜
After turning off, is it the same procedure again?
Not for the DMC between the two Cardos , they will connect automatically! You don't have to pair the non Cardo units again either, you'll just have to bring them into the Mesh like shown in the video. Bare in mind that what I've shown in the video, is best case environment! Things can drop in and out while out on a ride, especially if space between riders becomes too great.
Is the beast all sorted out now? What was up?
Yes got fixed the next day! Stone went down the exhaust and jammed the servo!🤦♂️
Having had the bolds for a very long time now, I have to disagree with the "one time" connection. I would agree it connects most of the time, but not always. At times we've had to go through and pair them again which only takes a minute to do.
Yes of course this is in best case conditions! Things can drop out while out on the road, that'll always happen,
So a quick fix as you say is a must! 👍😜
@@thelikeablerider8800 We've had it where they haven't automatically paired when we've turned them on too even though they've previously been in a mesh group together.
Best comms units by far though
Haven't been able to get out and ride with them yet, but thus far they've connected every time. Time will tell! Thanks for your input m8👍😜
We occasionally have this problem, it’s usually that one or two of them have not updated the Cardo firmware which Cardo seem to do a couple of times a year - once that’s done we connect every time!!! 😳😆ooh matron 😜
@@andyb3331 Interesting - my lot run a range of differing firmwares and don't seem to have any issues like this... will bear that in mind! :)
The problem is my bridge or even my
Bluetooth connection with non cardo (sena) will drop after 10 secs! The connections never hold. Any idea why ?
As my comment above, I have not had that problem with either the Sena 20S, 10C or Cardo Freecom 4+. I have spent many days doing this and the worst I've had connection dropping wise, is about 15mins, but it seems completely inconsistent, can't spot a pattern...
@@mattmutane5502 as discovered by @likeablerider the connect will hold when I make the Bluetooth call from sena instead of cardo !
@@mofufu Good to know! :) Sometimes though, the Cardo has to push the button anyway, to insert/re-insert the BT connection into the Pack/DMC...
Hey TLR hope you are well, love the chanel. Have you any tips to pair the cardo Edge to the Nav 6 and bmw tft and phone without them doing a brain fart and fighting each other?
Is there a specific sequence you need to follow.
Ride safe mate.
Just pair it to the Nav 6 and not the bike, it will always conflict if you pair to both. My XT does every I need, I don't pair to my bike either.
@@thelikeablerider8800 Phone to Nav as well ?
@@matttownsend1652I do phone to Cardo, and Cardo to Sat Nav👍😜
@@thelikeablerider8800 👍👍cheers 🍻 ✌️
Complete head F##k 🤬
Great stuff I run the packtalk bold as my everyday commute, i have a C4 pro helmet with i think the senna system, so will this work also please?, also i cannot get my Samsung phone to answer a call when it comes through any ideas what I may be doing wrong, sorry and TIA
Yes it should still connect to your Sena, just connect the two together as shown. Not sure why it's not answering your phone, works fine on mine. You can answer a call by clicking any of the buttons. Try making a call over the voice commands, that works great to! Just add the phones numbers to your speed dial, usin the Cardo app, then all you have to say is "hey Cardo speed dial one"
@@thelikeablerider8800 Brilliant thanks for quick response much appreciated! will try soon, yeah it just won't answer without clicking a button, maybe its my scouse accent lol, cheers great videos thanks for supplying great content mate.
You're more than welcome Rob✌😜
Hi Please can someone help me? I am trying to pair my Packtalk Bold to a Interphone Avant. I am not getting any joy. I am putting the Packtalk Bold into Bluetooth pairing mode and have pressed to Interphone Avant into pairing by holding the back button on until the light flashes blue and red. I have also tried holding the top back button and the back button so it flashes green and red. Thank you in advance.
You need to watch this one, it'll work with any non Cardo unit👍
czcams.com/video/seOySwhiTPs/video.html
@@thelikeablerider8800 Thank you I will try this tomorrow. 👍
@@thelikeablerider8800 Do you have any videos of the Packtalk Bold pairing with a Interphone Advant as I still can't get it working? I have even deleted the previous bluetooth pairing from the Interphone. Also I have tried pairing in the Packtalk App. Thank you in advance.
Sorry I don't, you need to pair to the Cardo as a mobile phone and not as normal Bluetooth intercom.
I can’t work out how to connect my new edge to my wife’s schuberth sc2. Any help much appreciated.
Can they both connect through mesh or do we have to do it thought Bluetooth
@@windsurfingfins you have to do it via Bluetooth 👍
@@windsurfingfins check out how to do it here:
czcams.com/video/seOySwhiTPs/video.html
Could you use this to join 2 mesh’s together to get to 29 users?
I wouldnt have thought so! You need to connect to so many riders?
@@thelikeablerider8800 We sometimes hit 16-17 riders. Was to prevent having to split into two groups.
@@AndrewMcClenaghan4182 I can you having issues with that many, sometimes we have issues connecting 4 or 5. Having been using the Packtalk bold a lot since making this video, we've had quite a few issues with connecting with multiple riders.
the white coat went on again 👏👍
Would the bluetooth com’s also auto reconnect after going out of range?
...proper fortune on that table, have you sold one of the kids or something? 🙈
Seems the Sena 30k joins the mesh automatically, but the 20s has to be manually connected. Yet to road test all this, but seems that the 30k would rejoin when back in range, but not the 20s. No biggie! One tap of the intercom button, and it'll be back. I still stand by my opinion, that things would be far easier if all your buddies run the same units, I'd imagine not all would have the patience to try this.
@@thelikeablerider8800 agree, I would also welcome if all the manufacturers unified there systems, but that’s not the nature of the game i guess. I went with Interphone, my wife has a different model and they don’t talk to each other let alone to other makes 🤦♂️
You can test it even now, give each kid a helmet and make them play hide and seek 😉
The real test will be out on the road, when units are out of range etc. Yes they'll all have different mesh protocols, I can't imagine they'd work together!
@@thelikeablerider8800 Shuan, I've tested the 20S and 10C in "my" "Pack" and the answer is, it's hit and miss. Often the reconnection happens automatically, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the connection drops out even when in range, and you need to press the button again to re-insert them. Occasionally, they drop out, you press the button, and after about 30 seconds, you get an audible error message about not being able to contact the unit. Overall, the Sena's connected into the Cardo DMC, the audio is often terrible, and/or, there seems to be little to no noise cancelling coming from the Sena, so you get loads of engine and wind noise, and a weird slapping/knocking sound sometimes also. It's a bit rubbish, but I'd take it any day over not having any comms with Sena people at all...! :) DMC noise cancelling from other Packtalk units is generally near perfect, I've had up to 10 units in my pack (you get the vert occasional bit of wind or engine noise, but it's rare!). HTH! :)
Did some playing about yesterday, seems if you add the Sena from the Sena, and not from the Cardo it stays connected! I remain by my opinion that everyone should use the Packtalk if larger group intercoms become more of a thing for people. Adding non Cardo units will work (ish) but not the best way to go👍😜
The reality is, that we have tried the same with Packtalk bold and 30K. It has connected to each other but we could here us just for seconds, then the connection was lost. We stayed right next to each other. So the connection is not stable unfortenatly.
Make the call from the Sena to the Cardo, and the connection is more stable.
@@thelikeablerider8800 ok we will try that next time. Thanks for the response.❤
If I’m understanding this the cardo is acting like a phone to pair with the sena. Does that mean the sena rider can’t connect their phone to their headset and wouldn’t be able to make and receive calls?
That's a great question, and if im honest I didn't think to check! The Cardo was paired over the gateway, only the Sena had to sacrifice its mobile phone channel. I would guess that the Sena wouldn't be able to use the mobile phone function, but I'd be okay with that if it ment I could chat over intercom. I stand by opinion that even though this works, it's sill not the most ideal way. Convining your riding buddies to use the same brand will cause less issues🤣
🤓😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦 interesting 🧐
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