Fighter Pilots Breakdown TOP GUN MAVERICK OPENING & DARKSTAR Scenes | Mover Ruins Movies Pt 1/8

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  • In part one of this series, Mover and Gonky provide an introduction and react and break down the opening and Darkstar scenes from TOP GUN MAVERICK (2022). Part 1 of 8 in the series. • Save 20% off the Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 with Promo Code CWL-TFH4-20 by following this link: bit.ly/tmpromocwl
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  • @suddendeath231
    @suddendeath231 Před rokem +769

    Personal theory: Mav died in the darkstar crash, rest of the movie is the hallucination he's having for the 10 miliseconds before he's turned into human tomato paste.

    • @baghdaddymike6669
      @baghdaddymike6669 Před rokem +22

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @blobman1238
      @blobman1238 Před rokem +8

      Lmaooo 😂

    • @blademanx
      @blademanx Před rokem +4

      nah cuz hes already talking about a sequel as a trainer 😂. If he died he would have to stick to assistant director for the next one

    • @michaelmichaelagnew8503
      @michaelmichaelagnew8503 Před rokem +21

      Wonder if the body would disintegrate once it was ejected at that speed. I'm pretty sure it would have broken apart immediately. This is what I think at least. Quick way to get med boarded is to eject out of an aircraft anyway the stress alone compresses your spine and you lose an inch of height. Twice and its an automatic grounding for the rest of your career.

    • @dababycar2899
      @dababycar2899 Před rokem +27

      @@michaelmichaelagnew8503 he is wearing an extremely strong pressure suit though, a blackbird pilot ejected at over Mach 3 and survived but it’s probably still not realistic

  • @JJK657
    @JJK657 Před rokem +800

    I feel like the opening scene on the carrier could have led to a scene where the Hornets are supporting troops in contact in some unmentioned desert country. Then they could've explained that after 20 years of GWOT, focusing on air to ground combat, fighter pilots had lost valuable dog fighting skills, hence the need to expand TOPGUN and explaining Mavericks return

    • @CWLemoine
      @CWLemoine  Před rokem +297

      Yup... Maybe shown Rooster nearly running himself out of gas... something for that character arc.

    • @calneigbauer7542
      @calneigbauer7542 Před rokem +14

      Yes this is a great idea wish they would of done this

    • @averagebeastt3606
      @averagebeastt3606 Před rokem +38

      Yeah i feel like that could've replaced the whole test pilot scene in the beginning. I felt like i was watching an entire different movie with that part. Don't get me wrong it was good to watch but it was nothing to do with Top Gun and had no correlation to the rest of the movie afterwards lol.

    • @rynoopperman5010
      @rynoopperman5010 Před rokem +6

      The problem with that idea is Tom cruise wanted to remake Top Gun with as much nostalgia bait not make a different / follow up movie 😏

    • @sparrowlt
      @sparrowlt Před rokem +13

      Maybe Rooster encountering some SU-57 near the Rogue Nation during patrol but failing to do much out of them becuase he is too over cautious.. but maybe that would be too much copy of the original structure?

  • @ChrisMSN-06-2
    @ChrisMSN-06-2 Před rokem +349

    You gotta admit, the scene where he says, "Talk to me, Goose." then it cuts to the sunrise accompanied with the orchestra is just beautiful.

    • @smellyfinger684
      @smellyfinger684 Před rokem +21

      Totally. I got the goosebumps.

    • @KLD2305
      @KLD2305 Před rokem +27

      That's one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie. Makes me think of my Dad. We were supposed to see this movie together, but he passed away before it came out. I know he would have loved it, despite the inaccuracies.

    • @ToriHiragana
      @ToriHiragana Před rokem +2

      It’s cheap. If its was a new character you wouldn’t feel this way because of how flat Miles Teller acting and character writing was. Thankfully they have a beloved character to rip of down to his 80’s mustache. The spitting image of his dad town to his taste in music! Wow!!

    • @bk-terminator3617
      @bk-terminator3617 Před rokem +1

      Ahhhh it’s not cheap!!! It’s a
      Movie and it’s all heart.

    • @mattburke5491
      @mattburke5491 Před rokem +1

      It loses its appeal when he says it every 10 minutes lol. I gotta go to the bathroom. Talk to me goose

  • @ChrisMSN-06-2
    @ChrisMSN-06-2 Před rokem +281

    I can't believe people actually thought that there was no CGI at all. Even the producers said they used CGI. They just placed the actors in backseats of planes to capture genuine reactions. Thats what the producers meant when they said "it's real".

    • @TheBatman_101
      @TheBatman_101 Před rokem +9

      exactly, finally someone understands

    • @tlgibson97
      @tlgibson97 Před rokem +19

      I don't know the extent of the CGI or how they did it, but I interpreted it as them using real airplanes for the footage. Even if they took that footage and spliced it around in different places. Like the footage looking up through the canopy going under another hornet. I figured the other hornet was actually filmed but then spliced into that scene instead of using digitally recreated airplanes. I'm probably wrong because I haven't seen the behind the scenes of the CGI stuff.

    • @CoffeeMatt10
      @CoffeeMatt10 Před rokem

      I think Paramount tried to hide how much they used, hence why the interview with the effects guy was pulled down… he gave away ALL the CGI secrets.

    • @thedishonoredamerican129
      @thedishonoredamerican129 Před rokem +16

      @@tlgibson97 Maverick's Super Hornet doing a cobra over Rooster's Super Hornet is full CGI.

    • @____Wolf
      @____Wolf Před rokem +22

      ​@@tlgibson97 Exactly, cgi work comes in many forms and I don't think most people understand that. 3D-rendered planes is CGI, but so are two real planes spliced together in the same sequence (both are edited with a computer, hence computer-generated). It's not always an all-or-nothing process.

  • @2020Max1
    @2020Max1 Před rokem +161

    The way that scene with Ed Harris should have ended should have been -
    Maverick: "North Island? But Top Gun is in the other direction..."
    Admiral: "I know, You're going be flying C-2s carrying rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong."😆

  • @BasicBodThor
    @BasicBodThor Před rokem +68

    This film is a great example of how to blend practical footage with CG imo

  • @thomasstuder1624
    @thomasstuder1624 Před rokem +68

    That looks like he does about 30 degrees of turn a second (1/12th of a circle) at mach 9 (ballpark 2700m/s). The circle circumference is thus about 32,400m, which gives a radius of just over 5000m (2×pi×r=c). The acceleration on the airframe (a=v^2/r) is thus ballpark 1400m/s^2 or close to 144g... Physics ruins movies.

    • @hatman4818
      @hatman4818 Před rokem +2

      It really does, lol. They briefly show a map of the turn, with states underneath, so I'm thinking about rerunning your calculations using a radius estimate from the size of the states underneath for a ballpark estimate, to see if I get a similar or different answer from yours (btw, I'm a physics major, and hilariously, just relearned how to do centripetal force calculation, lol, so this is kind of on-topic for me homework wise).

    • @HalNordmann
      @HalNordmann Před rokem +9

      Scott Manley did some calcs on this according to the map shown, and it comes up at around 7g, which is not fun either but still doable.

    • @shok24199
      @shok24199 Před rokem

      @@HalNordmann From the same map, I got around 20g. Survivable, but you'd be unconscious and your wings might rip off.

    • @zeensy7275
      @zeensy7275 Před 6 měsíci

      nerd

  • @MegaRayland
    @MegaRayland Před rokem +168

    Actually the entire placement of the Darkstar sequence works fine for me, even as someone who knows Top Gun well. For anyone without prior knowledge of the franchise it introduces Maverick quickly and clearly, and for anyone else coming from the first movie the sudden slowdown pretty much reflects the place of the character at this time.

    • @ninjabearpress2574
      @ninjabearpress2574 Před rokem +15

      Yeah, but Batman's gonna be mad Maverick trashed his airplane.

    • @blackosprey2219
      @blackosprey2219 Před rokem +12

      Agreed. It very concisely establishes Mav's character (goes very fast, ignores chain of command, still has a hangup over Goose) and clearly lays out a major theme: refusing to just accept assumed limits of age and obsolescence, both in regards to the tech and the pilot.

    • @shok24199
      @shok24199 Před rokem +2

      The "slowdown" at Mach 10. 😆

  • @Ider4_Ever
    @Ider4_Ever Před rokem +52

    The whole point of that sharp transition from the carrier was to show Maverick’s isolation from the fleet…hence the scene when Warlock tells him this is where he belongs when back on the boat at the end.

  • @edwinpadilla856
    @edwinpadilla856 Před rokem +121

    The reason for the Hornet stick is because it was an F18 that was used in this scene, the sonic boom that lifts the roof of the guard shack was real, in fact it was not planned, but accidental, DarkStar was CGI in the sequence, and the Mock up DarkStar aircraft build along side Skunk Works was used for close ups, taxing, ETC.. The most important thing that I enjoyed about this movie is getting together with many military veterans, active personnel, and their families. It was a joy hearing all of us making comments of our own experience with F18s, F14s, being on the carriers, seeing my squadron insignia VFA-151 and the tiger stripes on the F18s as they were taking off bringing back so many good memories, along with many familiar scenes of San Diego that I miss so much. Overall it was a great movie and I can't wait for the Blue Ray and I am buying a sick surround sound system too.

    • @BigMarkSr
      @BigMarkSr Před rokem +18

      I read that Ed Harris wanted to stand there and take that sand to the face to make the scene better. I'm sure he was glad it was only once though.

    • @BlyGuy
      @BlyGuy Před rokem +1

      You're saying they had a Hornet do a low level supersonic fly by for that scene?

    • @BlyGuy
      @BlyGuy Před rokem +2

      @@skins4thewin haha exactly. Roofs are attached to the buildings frame, not just placed on top with not nails keeping it in place.

    • @darkphq
      @darkphq Před rokem +2

      @@skins4thewin Its not a real building

    • @youraverageotaku1093
      @youraverageotaku1093 Před rokem +1

      @@skins4thewin It did actually happen though

  • @Brees1986
    @Brees1986 Před rokem +176

    I didn’t have a problem with the Darkstar sequence (well, except for the whole surviving a Mach 10 wipeout). I think it helps set up the situation that he has finally mothballed his career.
    The biggest plot issue I have is one you have mentioned several times. Rooster. The movie never really shows us why he is “same old Rooster”. I think an intro after the opening sequence showing us Rooster’s problems is needed.

    • @PlugInRides
      @PlugInRides Před rokem +11

      Providing any supporting character development or exposition, would have meant less screen time for Tom Cruise, so.... This was not 'Top Gun II", it was called "Top Gun: MAVERICK", because it was all about how Tom Cruise, I mean Maverick, was even more awesome and legendary than he was in 1986, and isn't really getting old AT ALL.

    • @bigkilla2608
      @bigkilla2608 Před rokem +3

      Also if he flew at mach 10 he would have landed somewhere other than in America

    • @strawsparky33
      @strawsparky33 Před rokem +5

      @@bigkilla2608 not really. it would take about 25 minutes to travel the whole country at a constant speed of mach ten. he hit mach ten for about 30 seconds. and was only flying for like 5 minutes.

    • @wwoods66
      @wwoods66 Před rokem +6

      "I think an intro after the opening sequence showing us Rooster’s problems is needed."
      I thought we got enough of that during the training, showing him overthinking, too cautious.

    • @acekiller10
      @acekiller10 Před rokem +2

      @@bigkilla2608 also he did a big lofty u-turn as well in flight

  • @videogameplayer0552
    @videogameplayer0552 Před rokem +43

    Top Gun is one of the greatest movies of the year, in my opinion!

    • @undeterminedchannel
      @undeterminedchannel Před rokem +1

      I agree

    • @StopReadingMyNameOrElse
      @StopReadingMyNameOrElse Před rokem +3

      @@GhostWatcher2024 Nah I'm sure he said what he meant.
      Especially since, ya know, Top Gun came out 36 years ago.

    • @StopReadingMyNameOrElse
      @StopReadingMyNameOrElse Před rokem

      @@GhostWatcher2024 Look out folks, we got a sensitive little boy here whose feelings get hurt if you challenge his corny opinions.
      I can't even imagine how useless you must be irl.

  • @manuelgreil4306
    @manuelgreil4306 Před rokem +119

    I assume the whole Darkstar plotline was a big, fat homage to the early Muroc/Edwards-Yeager days in general, and "The Right Stuff" in particular. That would explain the lax security (apparently, the early post-war test flights were conducted in a rather relaxed atmosphere, that is until General Albert Boyd moved the flight test center from Wright-Patterson out to the Mojave Desert), and the scene with Maverick appearing at the bar somewhat mirrors Yeager's crash in the NF-104A (amped up to 11).
    My head-canon explanation for him surviving the Darkstar completely disintegrating at hypersonic speeds is that I assume the Darkstar had a similar escape system as the F-111 (capsule).

    • @pogo1140
      @pogo1140 Před rokem +9

      They did have a Mach 5 capable ejection seat design back in the 60's.

    • @Silversmok3
      @Silversmok3 Před rokem +5

      There ain’t no crew capsule, ejection seat, or supernatural deity that can save Maverick from a quick & crispy demise. An airframe breakup at Mach 2 = Arlington funeral, much less five times that velocity.

    • @pogo1140
      @pogo1140 Před rokem +15

      @@Silversmok3 The pilot of an SR-71 survived a Mach 3 bailout. His seat did not leave the plane, all he had was his spacesuit and his parachute.

    • @Silversmok3
      @Silversmok3 Před rokem +6

      @@pogo1140 his backseater didn’t survive, and the pilot came >< close to buying it himself. Maverick’d be deader than fried chicken if his jet came apart at 4,500 knots

    • @pogo1140
      @pogo1140 Před rokem +17

      @@Silversmok3 That was an unprotected ejection seat at Mach 3, NASA had a Mach 5 design that incorporated a windshield, literally a shield to protect the crew person. A Mach 10 design would likely incorporate a capsule with a passive (no power of fuel needed) braking system to control the capsule's attitude and slow it down enough for chutes to open. It's not that hard, you're looking at a FBW aircraft, all the connectors between the cockpit and the plane are just large plugs that carry data and power like those you find on computer motherboards.

  • @yaki_ebiko
    @yaki_ebiko Před rokem +65

    I'm all ok with the darkstar sequence right until Maverick decided to TURN during a hypersonic flight....
    I remember everyone else is like "cool, beautiful skies" and my inner soul just screams "WHERE PHYSICS!!!!"

    • @MeppyMan
      @MeppyMan Před rokem +2

      The Gs would be ridiculous lol.

    • @petrairene
      @petrairene Před rokem +15

      @@MeppyMan Plus, it slows the thing down. And, what kind of control surfaces would survive maneuvering at that speed?

    • @hatman4818
      @hatman4818 Před rokem +1

      Lol, Homosapiens in the theater: *Instant Applause, Flashy Graphiks*
      You, Homoerectus: "WHERE PHYSICS"
      Boy have our standards for movies dropped... Or I dunno, maybe it hasnt, there are some really dumb movies from the 80s and before... Maybe it's just that dumb movies have gotten really tiresome.

    • @CarassiusAu
      @CarassiusAu Před rokem

      @@hatman4818 Idk what you’re trying to convey here but _Homo erectus_ is the less intelligent hominid FYI

    • @ToriHiragana
      @ToriHiragana Před rokem +1

      @@hatman4818 movie are dumber for sure

  • @JimHoward
    @JimHoward Před rokem +72

    I'm an old fart, and was once stationed at Kadena AB when the SR's were still there. That after takeoff scene where you see the two burners climbing up into outer space. That's exactly what the SR-71 looked like after takeoff.
    I'll also note that F-117 flew almost exclusively at night for a long time until it was about to come out of the closet.
    This Dark Star was not the first. The LM RQ-3 Darkstar UAV was the first. At time my brother worked for an LM competitor on UAVs. After the first prototype crashed on its second flight he started calling it 'Dark Hole'.
    One last thing. I'm begging you guys to ruin 'Red Flag, the Ultimate Game'. This movie was made with full USAF support, before Top Gun. Mover, you are in this movie. As the Bad Guy! Because you picked on WSOs.
    It's on CZcams.
    czcams.com/video/HbvZhrt2NBo/video.html

    • @toddie4usa1
      @toddie4usa1 Před rokem +2

      The original Darkstar crashed because of a power outage in the control center, it had nothing to do with the actual vehicle design.

    • @hatman4818
      @hatman4818 Před rokem

      Just got home from 5 years on the flightline in Kadena a year or two ago. Would've been awesome to see a sight like that.
      We briefly did get a U-2 or two temporarily stationed at Kadena because their runway in Korea was being worked on. Sometimes we'd debate who had the loudest engines on base, the Awacs TF-33s, the F-35 engines, or the U-2s, but I think the U-2 had everyone beat. That thing was LOUD. Got to watch it take off a couple times.

  • @captainarcher5205
    @captainarcher5205 Před rokem +18

    Maverick being a reservist is my headcanon for this movie. It’d also explain how he could afford a P-51 (almost)

    • @CWLemoine
      @CWLemoine  Před rokem +48

      Flying rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong as a FedEx captain

    • @Silversmok3
      @Silversmok3 Před rokem +4

      My theory: Maverick got wrapped up in the Fat Leonard scandal. Thus the vintage sports car, privately owned P-51 , maxed out credit card and his eternal 0-6 rank. 😂

  • @morganpavia7634
    @morganpavia7634 Před rokem +29

    Gonky nailed it the whole darkstar part was a tip of the hat to The Right Stuff including having Ed Harris (John Glenn in that movie) as the admiral. I think it fits storyline wise just they could have transitioned better but I am sure a lot ended up being edited out for time

  • @petrairene
    @petrairene Před rokem +11

    The only believeable reason I see for Maverick's deliberately flying the Darkstar beyond mach 10, destroying it is that he knew after this unauthorised flight they would likely kick him out, or ground him permanently. And since he was in his self worth so dependent on his "naval aviator" identity (as he himself admits), it was his attempt to "go out in style" with that plane instead of being kicked out and grounded from fast jet flying. And spending the rest of his days sitting alone in his hangar, pining after what he no longer has. He had to know for some time that his friend Ice was quite ill and would retire sooner rather than later, and without his protection, his flying days were over. Bit of a suicidal streak there with the Darkstar.

  • @JakkiPi
    @JakkiPi Před rokem +10

    Being in the presence of 45 stars in the room was actually pretty cool. I imagine most of them would be entertained at Maverick surviving mach 10.4

  • @darthfuzzy77
    @darthfuzzy77 Před rokem

    I just love the banter back and forth between you two and the commentary. Thank you both for your service

  • @schoolio64D
    @schoolio64D Před rokem +5

    I was 9 when I saw the original in the theater, and it’s part of what inspired me to become a pilot, so I loved being able to see this one in the theater too. You just have to take it for what it is - a movie.
    Love the content…keep it coming!

  • @moonasha
    @moonasha Před rokem +4

    I like Sandboxx's theory that the whole Darkstar thing is a wink from Lockheed Martin about a real plane in development. There used to be a page on their website about a manned hypersonic vehicle, which mysteriously disappeared once the military seemed to grow serious about hypersonic flight.

  • @Glee73
    @Glee73 Před rokem +32

    awesome breakdowns.. really enjoying the content and happy to see you both on a video always. if people actually watched all your content regarding this movie, they would know that both you and gonky enjoyed this movie and that "mover ruins movies" is something that's just done for fun and entertainment.

  • @richb313
    @richb313 Před rokem

    Gotta love the areas you focus on in your critique. For me just keep it up and thanks to both you and Gronky.

  • @baghdaddymike6669
    @baghdaddymike6669 Před rokem +7

    Mover: makes a video called “Mover RUINS Movies”
    Commenter: clicks on a video titled “Mover RUINS Movies”
    Commenter: *triggered* “MOVER RUINED THE MOVIE!!!”

  • @shayshivecharan4620
    @shayshivecharan4620 Před rokem +3

    I really enjoyed the part where Maverick pushed it - reminiscent of when Chuck Yeager pushed the X-1A AFTER breaking the record at 2.5 just to see where that “demon” was and losing the flight controls and ending in a flat spin before recovering the plane (and cracking the canopy with his head lol)

  • @shannono6051
    @shannono6051 Před rokem +1

    Man! You guys were on it! laughed all the way through. Well done.

  • @juliakarczewski8875
    @juliakarczewski8875 Před rokem +8

    They stopped the Admiral and not maverick because they were in on it. They had orders to delay anyone who would prevent the test:-)

    • @pogo1140
      @pogo1140 Před rokem +2

      Also the gate guards have to show the Admiral that they were doing their jobs to the letter.

  • @bpip000
    @bpip000 Před rokem +27

    Absolutely the opening scene should have went from the carrier to a scene with Rooster flying. They missed that plot hole with him and could have made it clear with an opening scene of him being him in some kind of flying scene from the carrier. The Darkstar thing was cool but just in the wrong spot.

    • @rcslyman8929
      @rcslyman8929 Před rokem

      They already had Ed Harris. No budget for another custy, bald, cigar-chomping CAG to chew out Rooster before telling him he's going back to TopGun.

    • @morganpavia7634
      @morganpavia7634 Před rokem +1

      There was a lot of character development missing from all the characters. They also hinted at something between Rooster and Phoenix they never elaborated on as well. But this was Top Gun Maverick Im sure they will have plenty of time to develop Rooster in the Rumored Top Gun Rooster

    • @artnull13
      @artnull13 Před rokem

      @@morganpavia7634 no directors cut then?

    • @morganpavia7634
      @morganpavia7634 Před rokem

      @@artnull13 sadly I have found most directors cuts tend to bog down the movie especially when the director already had final edit. That said I would welcome a well done directors cut assuming all the aforementioned scenes were actually filmed. Another factor is it seems these days Hollywood is more interested in turning out franchises than complete films. My film professor in college said Hitchcock once said something along the lines of if a gun is on the table (plot point) it should go off by the end of the scene (resolution). Not sure how true this quote is as it may be apocryphal and also college was 20 years ago.

  • @rsrt6910
    @rsrt6910 Před rokem +7

    I was so happy to see a movie where someone actually dons a spacesuit properly by showing Mav prebreathing oxygen to prevent getting decompression sickness and even moreso that they show him exercising while prebreathing to speed up the process... then they had to go a blow it by putting helmet lights INSIDE the helmet! I mean, come on, they were almost there!

    • @wwoods66
      @wwoods66 Před rokem

      We need to see the actor more than he needs to see the control panel.
      tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InSpaceEveryoneCanSeeYourFace

    • @Chibishii
      @Chibishii Před rokem +2

      The lights were there so the camera can pick up his facial expressions. Need some Hollywood in there sometimes

    • @rsrt6910
      @rsrt6910 Před rokem

      @@Chibishii And yet, they managed to do without the inside helmet lights in The Martian, and Apollo 13, and The Right Stuff (which used the same type of front opening helmets that Maverick used) and other movies with much more modest budgets dating back to the 50's which is what made Topgun's choice to put in the lights just seem to... lazy.

  • @lilletrille8998
    @lilletrille8998 Před rokem

    Its fun for us who have never flown an airplane to find out what is totally wrong and just slightly wrong and I like listening to people with inside knowlage - so thank you Mover and Gonky for making these!

  • @dougstitt1652
    @dougstitt1652 Před rokem

    Good to see you two again . Thx guys

  • @JensonZhangZeshen
    @JensonZhangZeshen Před rokem +10

    I agree totally with the beginning, thought it would be better if using a dream of Maverick and Goose in F14 engaging dog fight to link the opening scene and Maverick's hangar scene.That , after opening scene, Maverick was airborne with Goose in a F14 , they entered a dog fight, but the bandit suddenly becomes a fifth generation fighter, when Maverick pull the eject handle, instead of ejecting, he suddenly woke up from his hangar.

  • @JTLaser1
    @JTLaser1 Před rokem +9

    I learned something very important today: do NOT listen to Mover & Gonky while walking my dog around my neighborhood.
    Because I use my VA hearing aids to listen to my phone, everyone who saw my laughing my ASS off probably thinks of me as “that crazy old man who laughs at nothing!” Thanks Mover! 😉

  • @jm42892
    @jm42892 Před rokem

    Listening to your banter is fantastically entertaining.

  • @technofaisal
    @technofaisal Před rokem +2

    I wish you and Gonky could host a podcast or show together every week! Love listening to you both

  • @BHopper88
    @BHopper88 Před rokem +23

    The more I watch the movie the more I end up going with the “fan theory” that Maverick died in the Darkstar crash and the rest of the movie is Maverick going through all his regrets and reconciling with those moments in that small moment in his head. Kinda like a “death dream”.

  • @cartermaloof4980
    @cartermaloof4980 Před rokem +8

    I'm not going to lie, after watching you two break down the first movie and you Mover break down other movies, I have been really looking forward to you and Gonky break down this film. Very entertaining and great learning as well.

  • @ericm3112
    @ericm3112 Před rokem

    Awesome!!! been waiting for this one haha great content Mover

  • @chrisspeiser8571
    @chrisspeiser8571 Před rokem

    " it could have been the domino's guy"..another piece of gonky gold!!! Love it!

  • @palmerlp
    @palmerlp Před rokem +8

    I’m glad you brought up the very good question of why Maverick was not just a well-compensated test pilot for Lockheed or Space-X or something.

    • @GummiAnd
      @GummiAnd Před měsícem

      I know this is a pretty late reply, but the answer is quite obvious. Do you really want a pilot who is known to be reckless to fly your super expensive prototypes? It doesn't matter how skilled he is.. if he can't follow the rules that are made for the safety of the pilots and the planes, then he is way more likely to cause an accident.

  • @moonasha
    @moonasha Před rokem +8

    9:07 as far as I know, all the F-117 flight tests were done at night, at least in the beginning, because they were afraid of soviet satellites. And when the thing was taking off, everyone on the base who wasn't cleared to see it had to stay indoors, it was that top secret. So launching this thing at night does make sense. But the filmmakers obviously did it so he can fly into the sunrise

  • @BlyGuy
    @BlyGuy Před rokem +1

    I like how the roof of the guard shack isn't nailed down and almost flies off when Dark Star zooms by.

  • @mikenowland2739
    @mikenowland2739 Před rokem

    Love your work guys 👍 Keep them coming.

  • @deadli-us
    @deadli-us Před rokem +3

    I always appreciate a reference to Spaceballs

  • @Myuutsuu85
    @Myuutsuu85 Před rokem +5

    Just for the fact Mover doesn't give a shit about the complainers, he gets all my respect.
    He does what he likes, and this makes his content enjoyable.

    • @JimHoward
      @JimHoward Před rokem

      On the path to becoming a mission ready fighter pilot you develop a pretty thick skin or wind up in Mental Health.

  • @charissanomdeplume6475
    @charissanomdeplume6475 Před rokem +1

    Thanks so much for doing this. It’s interesting, funny and thoroughly enjoyable…

  • @eatthisvr6
    @eatthisvr6 Před rokem +2

    you pair of having WAY too much fun doing this, haha keep it up. cant wait for the kitty to make an appearance

  • @carbomania8786
    @carbomania8786 Před rokem +4

    I quite like what Mover said about moving the Darkstar scene else where in his previous videos… Personally, I think moving it to the end of the movie, and cut it at the explosion, would be a perfect way to end the movie.

  • @Canberra67
    @Canberra67 Před rokem +14

    Some people take themselves far too seriously, and like to get offended about anything/everything. I absolutely love the banter between Mover and Gonky - and the addition of their experiences in the services. Keep up the ribbing and keep ripping into the movies. :-)

  • @cobratuner
    @cobratuner Před rokem

    Cant wait for the end of movie flight scene review from you guys. Earned my sub.

  • @johnsondadj
    @johnsondadj Před rokem

    Excellent spin on the review guys.

  • @danielcassidy4857
    @danielcassidy4857 Před rokem +5

    Space balls quotes never get old hahaha

  • @RJSAMCRO
    @RJSAMCRO Před rokem +37

    This whole scene with Mav in the cockpit, the music playing with the night sky on the darkened earth reaching Mach 10 just felt so dam USA for me because lets face it our military and the fighter pilots are just that kick ass. I'll be honest the scene got me a bit emotional.

    • @GreatWhiteNinja431
      @GreatWhiteNinja431 Před rokem

      Yep. Same here.

    • @nexpro6118
      @nexpro6118 Před rokem +1

      My mother even loved the 2nd Top Gun. Lol she also really loved the Dark Star scene. Mom was pumped lmao

    • @realMaverickBuckley
      @realMaverickBuckley Před rokem

      Yeah true but not as bad ass as in the late 60s. A million different aircraft with a million types of capabilities. Its sad that they had to make something up.

  • @Amar7605
    @Amar7605 Před rokem

    This has been great! And I agree that this should have been a prologue, followed by the opening credits, then a segment showing Rooster in combat somewhere which establishes his background more.

  • @jacobklinkert3702
    @jacobklinkert3702 Před 3 měsíci

    I will say, as someone who works in a naval shipyard, anytime I get to see a naval vessel in a movie and know that I've been on that exact ship and spent months of my life working to maintain and modernize the Navy's fleet, I feel very proud of what I do.

  • @K3V1N117
    @K3V1N117 Před rokem +3

    I personally love the dark star scene. Plus it gave us a badass fast plane to use in Ace Combat 7 to easily s-rank mission 9 lol

  • @darrylbroatch862
    @darrylbroatch862 Před rokem +4

    I just stumbled unto your videos... Appreciate your service gentlemen! From real life to entertainment is a wavy line for sure. Love the fact you are respectful to the creative elements. Keep it up!

  • @fangirlgen9472
    @fangirlgen9472 Před 7 měsíci

    This movie is already really amazing! You guys make it 10 times better! I am laughing so hard!

  • @SolidMikeP
    @SolidMikeP Před rokem +2

    When he said "talk to me Goose" it got me choked up out of no where.

    • @warlock415
      @warlock415 Před rokem

      What got me was seeing that where 99% of pilots would have an "I love me" wall, Maverick has an "I MISS GOOSE" wall.

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul Před rokem

      Well that's a hitchhiker to a spinoff arthouse movie where he dies in the disintegrating Darkstar and for the next two hours has a nice conversation with Goose's ghost. Then they go and spook top gun pilots Star Wars-style.

  • @speedcreep2605
    @speedcreep2605 Před rokem +5

    So, on a lot of the Darkstar stuff, my impression was that it was not a government owned plane. Darkstar has Lockheed's Skunkworks insignia (a skunk) on the tail. My read was, that the government has not yet purchased the plane, pending fulfillment of the test requirements (mach 10).
    I'm probably wrong about much of this, but I'd welcome thoughts/feedback.

    • @04m6gto
      @04m6gto Před rokem +6

      Yep, that's what it was. The Navy working with Lockheed Martin to test it. Fun fact: That plane was actually designed by engineers at Skunkworks for the movie.

    • @dallasyap3064
      @dallasyap3064 Před rokem

      Well in a way yes. The Navy has not bought it yet bcoz its still in testing and development phase. Contractor company will work with the military's test and evaluation units and personnel to test the planes until they achieve their objectives/performances stated in the contract. The military will also be providing funding for the development (I'm not sure full or partial but they do fund the R&D, depends on the contract). If the plane meets the objectives the military would buy it and it will enter mass production.

  • @thomaseggle8886
    @thomaseggle8886 Před rokem +3

    My dad is a retired Army Colonel...every military movie is always dissected to shreds...even to this day. It's entertaining as hell and I love every second of this from mover and gonky!

  • @roastinNAVY
    @roastinNAVY Před rokem +1

    I was an avionics rate on North Island for 7 years, I thought it was hilarious that they made North Island into a Hornet base. The move took place at my old hangar as well, a hangar that was for MH-60s.

  • @christopherhylton8462
    @christopherhylton8462 Před rokem +1

    I think most people know that Mavrick is mostly Hollywood magic. You guys had me laughing with some of your colorful commentary. When the original Top Gun came out in the eighties I saw it with a F15 fighter pilot I went to church with who was stationed at Langley. Listening you two comment on this was very familiar sounding. Also, thank you for your service.

  • @superdude4402
    @superdude4402 Před rokem +4

    First time i saw the Darkstar I immediately thought to small. Look at the SR71 and the cockpit size in relation to the overall size of the jet. The SR71 is literally a flying gas tank and can hold up near 100,000 pounds of fuel to go mach 3.3. To go mach 10, it would require a lot more fuel.

    • @petrairene
      @petrairene Před rokem +2

      Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Way too small to hold the amount of fuel needed for this. Plus, it's black. What kind of paint can withstand the temperatures a mach 10 flight would generate?

    • @thomasvleminckx
      @thomasvleminckx Před rokem

      @@petrairene Hollywood paint.

    • @petrairene
      @petrairene Před rokem

      @@thomasvleminckx Yeah. A real mach 10 plane should have a ceramic tile outer shell like the space shuttle. Only thing that can take the heat.

  • @terryritter7065
    @terryritter7065 Před rokem +4

    One other change in the opening text about Top Gun: Not only did they add "women", but they also changed "insure" from the original to "ensure". Most people use the former in English vernacular, but that's bizarrely incorrect (even though it seems to make sense with the definitions we accept).

    • @its_clean
      @its_clean Před rokem +3

      Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there...to teach you BFM

    • @ericssmith2014
      @ericssmith2014 Před rokem

      @@its_clean "You're in good hands with Top Gun," and the hands are cradling a little model fighter jet.

  • @Arystotley
    @Arystotley Před rokem

    Commentary is great! It’d be entertaining to see you guys react to any type of movie!

  • @simiongradinaru7381
    @simiongradinaru7381 Před rokem

    Great video like always

  • @adamwvase
    @adamwvase Před rokem +9

    Didn't ruin my day, but you did make it better. Great video Mover

  • @TessellationRow
    @TessellationRow Před rokem +4

    Here’s to hoping one day a movie is made that’s more of a realistic fiction; a dramatic ‘slice of life’. Like the book Radar, Heat, Guns. Ever since reading that I’ve hope it’s be adapted into a movie. That being said, I really didn’t care for the first top gun film, but they really did a good job on this one

  • @grenpar3927
    @grenpar3927 Před rokem

    Never get tired on the opening scene

  • @Ingens_Scherz
    @Ingens_Scherz Před rokem

    So right about The Right Stuff inspiration.
    But you talked over the glass of water scene with the little boy. "Where am I?" "Earth." That got such a big laugh in the cinema. I thought it was pretty funny too.

  • @DarthWindu06
    @DarthWindu06 Před rokem +24

    Although I absolutely love Top Gun Maverick and I think it's one of the best movies that has come out in the past years, I think the whole Darkstart sequence was a bit unnecessary and pulled me out of my immersion.

    • @CWLemoine
      @CWLemoine  Před rokem +4

      Yup!

    • @triplemoyagames4195
      @triplemoyagames4195 Před rokem +3

      I think it served two purposes: A re-introduction for Maverick, for new audiences and tells them what they need to know about Maverick going forward. For older audiences it updates us on what he was doing up to this point and sets him up for going to Top Gun. With Darkstar on hold, he has no choice but to go to TopGun. The mach 10 also go insides with pushing the 10G's at the end

    • @CWLemoine
      @CWLemoine  Před rokem +5

      He never actually went to TOPGUN.

    • @jcm028
      @jcm028 Před rokem +2

      @@CWLemoine But.. could Penny order you 'overboard' at a Lamoore O-club with a mountain background though?.. lol

    • @CWLemoine
      @CWLemoine  Před rokem +10

      Should've been the Fallon O'Club. Maverick would've broken a hip being thrown into the rocks outside.

  • @yxeaviationphotog
    @yxeaviationphotog Před rokem +3

    I don't think the Darkstar scene was all that bad. The scene in the diner is forced humour though and could have been cut.
    Have to admit though......it was very cool that LM Slunkworks helped design and build the Darkstar.

  • @Will-db5el
    @Will-db5el Před rokem

    "Aaand, dead". Lol love it. Great video thanks.

  • @DanP293
    @DanP293 Před rokem +2

    I think this should be renamed to 'Fact Checking Movies with Mover' 😂. Love these videos because you can learn a few things about real world pilots, aircraft and ops. 🙌

  • @mgabor6936
    @mgabor6936 Před rokem +4

    I wonder if ejection above Mach 10 is even possible without being vaporized in the atmosphere 🤔

    • @pandabanana2593
      @pandabanana2593 Před rokem +1

      Nope. Dead.

    • @Stef3m
      @Stef3m Před rokem

      Maybe in a capsule at high altitude

    • @charliejones6138
      @charliejones6138 Před rokem

      Nope, see what was left of the Columbia astronauts. BBQ’d

    • @Stef3m
      @Stef3m Před rokem

      @@charliejones6138 The Columbia was reentering the atmosphere not flying more or less leveled, it disintegrated after loosing control and the crew didn't have a protective capsule nor did wear a pressurized suit.
      I think that it is technically possible although really hard to integrate in a flying aircraft that have to account for other requirement but for a movie is "believable" enough

    • @charliejones6138
      @charliejones6138 Před rokem

      @@Stef3m Columbia crew were wearing pressure suits. They were mandated after Challenger. No manufacturer is builiding aircraft with any protective capsule, since there would be a huge weight penalty with regards to performance. Omly 1 person has survived an ejection over Mach 3. That itself was a miracle, since his RSO was killed.

  • @chrismorgan96
    @chrismorgan96 Před rokem +3

    I always thought it was practical but they just cut and spliced footage for the dangerous scenes. It’s actually really good CGI at least

  • @edwardmortimer8643
    @edwardmortimer8643 Před rokem

    You guys are just hilarious. Thank you for your service.

  • @martynas5757
    @martynas5757 Před rokem +1

    youtube works in misterious way, glad i found these breakdowns, cant wait for breakdown of ending dogfight

  • @RahulRahul-pj1fo
    @RahulRahul-pj1fo Před rokem +3

    First time i watched it, i knew already mover was going to make a video on this. PS you don't ruin movies, you just tell the truth. It would have been the same for all fighter pilot watching this movie

  • @lordbyron8927
    @lordbyron8927 Před rokem +3

    The scenes with the maverick standing with the other guys is definitely CGI...there's no way that Tom Cruise is that tall.

  • @evancrum6811
    @evancrum6811 Před rokem

    I can't wait to see more of your reaction and breakdown

  • @colesnow2269
    @colesnow2269 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you for your service gentleman

  • @julianmaissel3660
    @julianmaissel3660 Před rokem +8

    This is total BS. Everyone knows Tom Cruise actually flew a real life darkstar for this movie!

    • @triplemoyagames4195
      @triplemoyagames4195 Před rokem +1

      I mean in fairness, Lockheed did make a 1:1 Scale model of the aircraft lol as well as the suit

  • @bjrnchrstn
    @bjrnchrstn Před rokem

    Loved the movie and loved your perspectives. 👌🏼

  • @J_Cz-CPT
    @J_Cz-CPT Před rokem +2

    I live for these :D

  • @brandonw1930
    @brandonw1930 Před rokem +2

    The quote "You're the only pilot who has shot down 3 enemy aircraft in the past 40 years" surprised me... Has dogfighting really been that rare over the past 40 years?

    • @Silversmok3
      @Silversmok3 Před rokem

      It’s always rare. Take Korea for instance. I used to think MiG Alley meant they got in daily dogfights. But Maj Gen Boots Blesse didn’t get his fifth kill in Korea until Sortie 105. Vietnam was even rarer- most US pilots in country never even saw a MiG , much less engaged one. The 58th TFW in Desert Storm shot down 16 Iraqi MiGs , but that was across 1600 squadron sorties.

    • @michaelmichaelagnew8503
      @michaelmichaelagnew8503 Před rokem

      There is a retired Air Force pilot in Arizona that has shot down 5 in an F-15 in the past 40 years. Don't think there has been another Ace since he became one.

  • @PeferG17
    @PeferG17 Před rokem +1

    "He'd be in front of all the stars"
    that line killed me

  • @bnickerson2933
    @bnickerson2933 Před 10 měsíci

    I'm prior Air Force and I enjoyed your commentaries!

  • @mactac25
    @mactac25 Před rokem

    “It looks like he’s gone to plaid.”
    Aaaaand….I’m dead! 😂

  • @muhammed5667
    @muhammed5667 Před rokem

    I love the analytical review of the 'Top Gun' movies!

  • @TheKutthroatKid
    @TheKutthroatKid Před rokem

    The opening being a shot or shot the first film is so good

  • @AlbaAdventures
    @AlbaAdventures Před rokem

    Ooooh More TGM!!!! The last one had us laughing our assess off.

    • @AlbaAdventures
      @AlbaAdventures Před rokem

      It can never match the Tom Cat!

    • @AlbaAdventures
      @AlbaAdventures Před rokem

      Gonky mentioning The Right Stuff - love that film too. That is what we said when we saw that opening scene.

    • @AlbaAdventures
      @AlbaAdventures Před rokem

      Died laughing again - so freaking good...

  • @gregorymaupin6388
    @gregorymaupin6388 Před rokem

    Thanks Shipmates for another video that is correct and humorous along correctly done ✅

  • @fecardona
    @fecardona Před rokem

    You guys rock! This is pure Mystery Science Theater 3000 on Top Gun! Buenisimo dudes!!!

  • @AmericanAbsolute
    @AmericanAbsolute Před rokem

    WHAT THE ??? I WAS JUST GETTING INTO IT, AND YOU ENDED IT??? THAT'S EFF'D ..😅🤣thanks

  • @9999plato
    @9999plato Před rokem

    There are Charter aircraft at North Island to ferry people back and forth to Catalina Island. I used to take them regularly to do estimate work when I worked at Navy Public Works.

  • @TheDiesel_JLU
    @TheDiesel_JLU Před rokem

    I've been waiting for this almost as long as we waited for TG Maverick lol

  • @johnspierce
    @johnspierce Před rokem

    You guys are hilarious! You should review every single movie with aircraft and also the Right Stuff.