Observant and Automated: The Sutherland Class
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- The Sutherland Class was added to the lore of Star Trek through Picard and with it comes some background information that ties well into the canon of the shows drawn from Star Trek Online. Let's take a look.
Chapters
00:00 Real Origins
01:40 Starfleet Origins
02:51 USS Sutherland
03:41 Mission Profile
05:44 Specifications
07:36 Conclusion
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This Video is for critical purposes with commentary. - Hry
It would be a shame if some outside force took advantage of the increased automation..... oh wait!
Jo’lan tru! Lol
Which time?.. m5? Texas class incident? Picard season 3 incident?? Starfleet may have the shortest memory of any organization in science fiction. And the writers certainly do.
The Texas Incident was an inside job!
@@mikenapier3598 Did I forget to mention, Romulan war telecapture weapon?
Complete automation has never gone well for Starfleet... Partial automation, with holograms has apparently worked out okay but give that concept to Secret Hideout and you can bet all the Holograms would be hacked and turned against the Federation.
Can I just reiterate how much I love the STO 25th century ships? The aesthetic, which has stayed pretty consistent along the massive suite of Tier 6 ships, is absolutely beautiful, and my favorite of the entire franchise. Not only did they design and produce their own unique vessels, but they lovingly recreated the classics in all new glory. Thomas and the entire team who bring these ships to life have outdone themselves time and time again, and I'm always excited for their next project.
Thomas, Tumorboy, and co. is the lifeblood of Star Trek going forward. May they all live long and prosper.
The episode where Commander Data was captain of the Sutherland was one of my favorite episodes
I find it amusing that hardly anyone remembers that the ship that Data captained was the Lydia Sutherland. I believe that was a nod to the ships captained by Horatio Hornblower; the Lydia was a frigate and the Sutherland was a ship of the line. If you want a good movie then check out Captain Hornblower starring Gregory Peck.
The Nebula class was always one of my favorites, one of the few ships built for TNG.
I wished the Nebula was the hero ship in TNG over the trashy looking galaxy class.
I love the Sutherland class. I’m a huge fan of the Nebula, and the Sutherland is a worthy successor. The Andromeda is a harder sell.
ROMMIE: and i took that personally: launches nova bomb into your sun.
My favorite ship of all of Trek! I main her in STO with the round comms pod vs the triangular launcher pod. She's such a good ship!
So it has an absolutely massive sensor array and a mission pod that allows it to work as a communications center or booster relay?
This is basically a starship version of the eye in the sky. If the Dominion war had still managed to keep Starfleet producing warships at this point it would probably have an ECM pod as well.
I'm thinking maybe like... An AWACS ship?
@@aiosquadron That's what I thought.
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every other speies in trek seems to be honest with what their ships do. with the federation we sneeky humnas are always calling it an "ADVANCED TACTICAL EXPLORATION CRUISER"
anybody else would just call it a Battleship with significant spying capability and optional AWACS.
The Nebula Class is my favourite so when I first encountered the Sutherland Class and the other Nebula Class Variants for changing something I loved. After seeing it in action though the Sutherland is growing on me and I like to think of it more like the Constitution Refit so that my personal Nebula Class can be “refit” into one.
I love these STO designs, so a big thank you for these videos. IMHO, the STO designs are way better than the retro classes of Picard.
Please do the Reliant class next.
I’ve watched enough of these ship breakdowns that I am now starting to think about how you might actually want to roll out an entire range of Starfleet ships with these designs, but do it in the most economical way.
What I’m visualizing is a modular system not just for The engines and work nacelles and engineering secondary hall, but also for the saucer section itself.
What I see in my mind, Zai is that the concentric portions of the saucer section could each represent an increased size for the larger classes of ship. In other words, The bridge and central circle or desk would be the same size on all classes, then, for the smallest ships, it would just be this desk. For the next size up, you would basically just attach the next concentric outer ring of the saucer, section, retaining the bulkheads from the smallest class, and then, for the largest class ships, he would add a third ring, but again would just reuse the bulkheads from the center ring that’s around the central desk.
In fact, I see a lot of breakdowns, which seem to have commentary about wine as cells look the same or don’t, but to me, and I don’t know if this is how, for instance US Navy ships work, but for spaceships, I would think because of the cost of construction, you would want to use and reuse as much of the designs as you possibly could. A more modular system seems like something very logical, except for the most niche of applications.
On this channel I keep hearing that the Galaxy class had a crew of 1000, here they mention 1012. However, that number also includes non Starfleet. From what I remember from the Galaxy class tech manual, it had a Starfleet crew of 600 to 700. The rest were civilian, and civilian specialist, like Kieko O'Brien, a botanist.
If so that's very, very interesting! That would essentially mean that the Sutherland and Andromeda-classes have MORE crew than the Galaxy at peak efficiency, even with all the modern 25th century automation!
The Sutherland and Nebula classes reminds me of the Miranda class in which the USS Reliant belonged to. The Miranda Class also had mission pods.
Exactly, Keith. The Nebula/Sutherland is to the Galaxy/Andromeda as the Miranda is to the Constitution! :D
This video had great fly-by shots of the ship! The best way to see how pretty it is is by close-up shots like this. Well done!
What i like about this class and similar ships is that they retain much of the 2360/70s ethos, simply updated to the latest technologies. I like this better than the idea that in response to the Borg and Dominion conflicts starfleet and the federation opted to go straight military.
As cool as they were i never saw tha anti Borg ships as the future of the fleet, perhaps they represent a portion of the fleet with more defensive goals but i just never saw starfleet abandoning their overall purpose.
the anti bog fleet was a panic reaction to an existential threat starfleet had NOTHING to deal with it. and the borg buster fleet was over specialized with most of the ships beig fit into a various specific role and intended to work together to bring down a borg cube. these advanced TNG designs are much more versatile while still retaining the lessons learned in the most brutal way from the borg and then dominion.
This fleet wide connection worked well in Battlestar Galactica!
until some guy named Baltar ruined it all just because he wanted some Sixussy.
Excellent design. Paramount could do far worse than adapting some, or all, of Star Trek Online to live action and making it official cannon.
All of these new ship designs are just beautiful.
Lord knows it's better than anything Paramount could think of (32nd century design ships notwithstanding)!
Beautifully designed ship love it.
Theres something about downwards curved nacelle struts which always makes me think of a ship as a 2nd class, or sub-standard version of a primary class.
I think they give ships a "workhorse" feel - not fancy or elegant, but well built for the less exciting long haul research missions out in space.
Or a hatchback sub-class.
@@jmferr2011 I like thinking of them as 'hatchbacks.' Miranda for Constitution, Nebula for Galaxy, Luna for Sovereign, and so on.
One for one... they are a sub-version.
I think raised nacelles like on the galaxy look energetic and confident. The lowered ones may look submissive or defensive, like the ship is protecting them below its body. That might be why you get that impression?
At first, i thought Sutherland class are based on Ross class but actually still based heavily on nebula.
I love these looks at the various classes. Looking forward to the next one
Thank you for these, the series and the STO play though have been great! It got me back into the game over the last few weeks. :)
Thank you again Rick for informitive video. Really enjoy these.
How do you produce the LCARS displays? They look so good.
Thank you, I make them myself on Photoshop and want to see about getting some animated versions too if I can figure it out. :)
@@CertifiablyIngame I spend a lot of my free time building starships in minecraft, and recently joined the trekcraft team. Your videos have been the ones playing in the background and keeping me inspired, making the star trek universe feel very complex and interesting. Thank you!
I absolutely love this ship such an amazing design😊
Never understood why Starfleet ship, particularly after TNG, were so unnecessarily large. Each crew member should have their own spacious cabin, and rarely seen each other.
Are you being sarcastic? There has never been a ship in history that has ever had anything close to what you're talking about unless you're talking about a damn cruise ship. You do not build camaraderie I'm on your crew by keeping them isolated.
I love the STO designs that are updates and replacements of starship classes we're familiar with.
Can't wait for you to do more videos on STO ships
That was effing wicked! ❤
This makes me want to take my Andromeda out of mothballs. She's old, but so fun to play with and I could always rely on her.
Get yourself the Cygnus or the World Razer and dress her up in the Andromeda hull. Can't go wrong! All the tactical power with all of the beauty.
Automation...translates to shortcuts on staffing. Very 21st century thinking there.
Given this is Starfleet I think they instead would translate to the same nuber of crew just spread over more ships.
You also had designers & a Fleet that dealt with massive losses fighting the Borg, Dominion, and others and for a time needed to not only make do with less crew (as replacements were trained), but also needed to replace a lot of ships.
Of course, nothing could *ever* go wrong with automating ships and tying them all into a central comm network...
And thank you for providing this, Rick... 😏
Funny enough I never liked the Nebula Class.
I did understand it was the Miranda to the Galaxy Class and thus the stable mate, but I was never fond of its design.
The Sutherland on the other hand I do really enjoy the ships design. Perhaps its more aggressive or more elegant but I really do enjoy this class much more than the nebula.
Beautiful ship
In my head the Launcher pod can swivel at the neck allowing this beast to unleash photons and quantums in a 360 arc around the ship.
They should hire you
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Well the sutherland was actually in a episode of the next genereration show, dont thing we saw its exterior but data was asigned captain of it with worf. I also dont know if it actually apeared in any other episode interior or exterior.
I really like the idea of sci-fi passive sonar
Ah, you just answered a question I was wondering through the first third of this video.;..you *are* planning to do one on the Reliant class.
Nice breakdown as usual!!
I like these camera angles, are these from STO?
I always wondered what kind of tweaking is possible there ...
Demorecord software. :) It's built into STO.
The beautiful descendant of my favorite class the nebula class
It's a nice starships designed in STO and that it became canon in a Red Angel Suit timeline caused by Burnham's time traveling suit said from my contact from an unknown location.
Compared to the ross. This actually looks good also what are those blue lights near the impulse engines
I read that they were probably warp coils for saucer separation warp flight, like the Ross Class, but could not find another source to verify that. Certainly the in-game version cannot saucer separate at all.
@@CertifiablyIngameI would love saucer sep for my monitor 😅
@@CertifiablyIngame I've read that those're actually extremely sensitive sensor arrays such as the ones found on the neck of the Andromeda and the neck holding the mission pod. They're called "Multidifferential-multispectral (MDMS) Passive Sensor Vanes". Really neat stuff!
Rick posts, I watch🖖
I enjoy messing around with this ship in game, kitbashing the heck out of it. Might one inquire as to when the Glenn class will be reviewed?
You should make a video about the ShiKahr Class
So one other thing about the Nebula class you didn't mention is that it started as a carrier for the Galaxy Class Saucer Section
Your presentation for this video, for one of my favourite ships in Star Trek at that, has elevated you to my fav CZcamsr. Thank you for all that you do! Subscribed!!
I picked up the mirror universe carrier of this ship and made her look as close to the original Nebula class as possible.
Nebula is me favourite class, this variant I like it with the circular upper pod better. Why, I guess aesthetics.
i thought that the shikahr class light cruiser was the new miranda class since they did are remodel of the ship and look like it was lunched in the mid 24th century love the vids on star trek and the other ships in sto
sign me up as a weapons officer with all those photon torp launchers
I love the design, but how is this larger than a Galaxy class? And how can it possibly have 45 decks?
Actually it looks like on the southern another spaceship just above it for detachment and a little bit of warp-core to it it would be
I thought the deflector was used to generate a bubble in front for warp flight. Other use a intermediate front shield.
Wasn't is Captain Janeway (talking to Seven) about the starships and probes thing
Being a actual Sutherland. I absolutely love this 🤣
So a slightly sneaky Reliant class.... Same speed and cruise.
I think it would look great upside down
I have to ask Certifiably, how many more do you have left to go?
One of us has Mandela'd themselves, was it Archer or Janeway that said "fleet of probes"?
Love your videos, but the outro music is toooo loud :D
Be nice if this and the dreadnaught caught up with the galaxy and added the Ross
when will some one get to the time ships, to fix the timeline(every week)?
I was a big fan of Barbara Mandrell and the Mandrell Sisters
This and the Nebula both struck me as Starfleet trying to build battleships without actually building battleships or command ships. As underutilized as ships of that size are, the only justification for that and their proportionately tiny crews, which should be about 8,000-10,000+ crew, is "more ship to have to kill:" Thus it is really a Battleship. Only bad writing makes a ship like the Galaxy Class a "glass cannon". Even so, it should have a fleet, formation, or constellation (less warlike language), of ships in her retinue.
I know Star Trek purists want to go back to the sub-300m vessels (Even Voyager is just a tad too big). For strictly exploration vessels it makes sense. Why risk the resources and manpower of a giant ship on the unknown? They could at least do the due diligence to justify why a Galaxy, Nebula, Sutherland, Odyssey classes, and other similarly sized vessels are so big with such small crews aboard. And since those big ships tend to hang around the interior of Federation space, making regular stops at developed Federation worlds and star systems, most of the time, Exploration is not a working explanation. They are not exploring. So why have such big ships?
And Voyager managed to stay healthy, functional and strong, for 7-8 years in deep space well away from Federation space and resources. So again, why have a huge ship for exploration. A Five year mission is just a long hike in the woods to 24th century vessels.
Hit the nail on the head with all the right questions. The Federation is essentially an idyllic Communist galaxy spanning centralised government with the most technologically advanced and militarily powerful vessels in all four quadrants. Their naval force, the almighty Starfleet, masks just how dangerous their ships and weaponry really are under the baseline sincere veneer of being "diplomats, explorers and scientists", which many of the crew and even the captains in fact are.
Starfleet just tends to use flowery, non-threatening words to describe their planet-glassing warships as "escorts" and "cruisers" while their AWACS spy ships are "long range science vessels". :)
The Terran Empire is what you get when Starfleet decides not to play nice anymore. The entire galaxy conquered within only a few short centuries. All opposing galactic forces outgunned, outmanned, and outsmarted. The Terran naval force is even called "The Terran Starfleet", something not a lot of people seem to be aware.
TNG/DS9 is the perfect example of what happens in the Prime Universe when Starfleet has had enough: Captain Benjamin Maxwell tearing through the Cardassian border with his Nebula-class "science vessel" the U.S.S. Phoenix while effortlessly blasting through Cardassian Galor-class warships(which were built for nothing but intense, prolonged warfare) without a scratch on her.
Benjamin Sisko rendering an entire planet uninhabitable through chemical warfare just to lure a Maquis traitor he had a personal vendetta on. Sisko conspiring with a known Obsidian Order elite assassin that ended in the death of an influential Romulan senator.
Section 31/Starfleet Intelligence almost causing a genocide of untold proportions to prevent a war that would leave trillions dead if not for a Khan Noonien Singh level intelligence in Dr. Bashir.
It's this deep lore that makes Star Trek one of the best, if not the best sci-fi series of all time.
The Federation's eyes and ears
The Sutherland class is a big ship so I think it would have more fire power than what your saying here.
I will bump it up to 12 mark 22 phasers and 4 variable torpedo launchers.
How did Nebulas and Sutherlands umber their decks when they had decks above the height of the bridge? Was the bridge not on Deck 1? Did the pod have its own deck designation since the tower decks weren't extensions of the saucer anyway? Sort of like how floors in towers of a highrise development don't have horizontally line up above the levels they connect?
That's what I'd like to know. 45 decks is HUGE. There's probably living accommodations found within the torpedo and sensor pods then as those things are as big as light cruiser.
*EARLY,* Woohoo!
So... how long until AIs (holograms) take over a Sutherland ship and break free of the UFP for their own preferred life? It's hack-vulnerable (highly automated) and AIs exist in "hologram" form since Voyager now.
Niceee
Why do spacecraft have blinking lights on them, like airplanes?
How have you done all these amazing ships but skipped over the best ship starfleet ever made…
The Miranda Class!
Must be named after Miranda in Mass Effect 2.
I do love the 25th century ship reimaginings from STO but from an irl point of view they are more like production run veriants using new technology rather than new classes. Still I can understand why they went with classes. its simpler and easier to understand at a glance in game even if its a little weird from a modern naval point of view (of course starfleet should not be limited to modern naval terminology)
You see this in IRL. A good example is Helena class light cruiser and the Cleveland Class light cruiser.
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Highly Automated woth a crew between 7 to 900...
The Nebula Class had a crew compliment of 750...
Automated...hmm
Became a new favorite design of mine.
My top ten Federation Designs are the Constitution Class Refit/Enterprise Class, the Galaxy Class, the Sovereign Class, the Original Excelsior Class, the Odyssey Class, the Intrepid Class (24th Century), the NX Class, The Sutherland Class, the Protostar Class, & the Akira Class.
If canon the Vesta Class would replace the Protostar which itself relplaced the Nova Class. The Sutherland replaced the Walker Class which had replaced the Nebula Class.
Don't forget the Andromeda-class! If you love the Sutherland you'll fall head over heels for the Andromeda.
We can freecam in _STO_ ? How?
The Ross-class should have been the Andromeda-class to be a matching set with the Sutherlands! Reduced logistics and design work needed.
This ship class was brought over to Star Trek canon as a cost-saving measure, while meeting the demands of different parties to add variety to the ranks of Starfleer.
Still waiting for them to miranda the sovereign
I've never liked this overall look for the ships. It screams out to Romulan invaders. "I can't fight back!"
There needs to be some solid reason for making some ships in this configuration and some in the standard Enterprise configuration.
Maybe the longer more powerful ships require more resources. Maybe they take up too much space in dock. Maybe you need the longer hull for all the weapons.
Or maybe the longer ships are faster but the stubby ships are more maneuverable. Maybe the decreased surface area allows them to double up on shields. Or in this case get away with minimal shielding to avoid detection.
Or maybe the longer warp nacelles on the bruisers get in the way of sensor equipment.
It is a nebula class same layout
So basically an Awax command and control ship.
Yes it's designed as that. With extras if needed.
I wonder why nobody copies the widow maker class.. I mean Oberth class.
That is because of the lack of Explodium in the 23rd century. When it was found that Starfleet could not replicate this rare element they were forced to build other ship classes that would not blow up when the enemy merely looked at them sternly. 😁
I really prefer the Andromeda/Sutherland look to the Ross class.
Will it's about dame time that someone fine made a new nubile class star ship
6th Gen?
So Dominion War Era must be 5th.
TNG/Golden Age 4th
Lost Era 3rd
Movie Era 2nd
TOS Era 1st
Ignoring the century back to the NX.
Why does everyone keep saying a Galaxy has a crew of 1012? That was EVERYONE on board including kids, non-serving spouses, and civilian workers like Guinan.
Because they count as part of the crew compliment. So you just answered your own question.
Why hasn't Starfleet adopted the warp quadrant technology from the Borg instead of dealing with slipstream
Because probably they're still trying to figure it out.
6:27 1012 for the galaxy was just how many people were aboard the Enterprise D, which included families. That wasn't the crew compliment. The galaxy required a crew somewhere between 500-700.
Donald Sutherland Class
I don't play STO so a lot of these classes are new to me as they get added to onscreen canon. Broadly speaking I like them... they have interesting shapes that fit in well with post-TNG Trek. That said... the deflector dishes often look really strange to me on these STO ships, and the hull plating / aztec patterns are always way too busy and noisy. But, overall, the ones they've chosen to canonize are pretty nice on screen!
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If I had a ship it would be named the USS Fuster Cluck! Our mission is to screw over those who haven't been screwed over before!
Mine would be the USS SHUTUP WESLEY
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So its a spy ship.
Needs more torpedos.
This is the most Starfleet ship yet. Like Starfleet itself, it is built for exploration, not military use, and yet... Torpedo pod.
Going back to the original series you had folks out there that didn't take kindly to people intruding on their territory and sometimes they shot first and asked questions later.
Remember the Romulans for one example.
If I'm going out there in the unknown I'm going to have peaceful intentions and so is my crew but I'll be damned if I'm going to go out there unarmed.
Because there are people out there that aren't nearly as polite as I might be or you for that matter.
So, in short, Starfleet is absolutely pants on head stupid. "Lets ignore all evidence to the contrary and just presume that this totally computer run ship is a good idea, therefore, lets go on with it and not have any precautions."
You still have a crew on board. All you've done is increase automation to a certain extent...... Which is to be expected considering this is a 24th century vessel.
No creativity. No other major science fiction franchises but star trek and star Wars. Hmmm...and what we get is just a rehash of old designs. I wonder why?
I think it's because we aren't doing anything new in space. No real manned exploration to speak of.
Nothing new in the space program = nothing new in science fiction.
Sure we get development of the star trek and star Wars universes. More and more of the same stuff.
I'd like to see another science fiction (space opera) franchise. Something that is just as intricate as the greats. Perhaps the foundation trilogy by Isaac Asimov put to film (or whatever they put it to these days). However this would not solve the dead end that science fiction (space opera) is experiencing because The Foundation series has already been made so it wouldn't be new to everybody. Maybe even so it may solve the hunger for new material. New world building and story lines. Maybe anyways, other than that I got nothing for them as far as ideas that I can share. That's for younger people to find and I really think there is a parallel to real exploration in science fiction creativity.