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  • čas přidán 3. 11. 2022
  • There are many Starships in the Federation, not all of them are Starfleet, but all have a registry number attached. But what exactly does the NCC mean in NCC-1701 ? What about the USS for that matter?
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  • @atomic_wait
    @atomic_wait Před rokem +430

    The X prefix is used in a lot of American experimental aircraft and naval vessels, standing as a phonetic reference to Experimental. I'm guessing NX is a reference to that.

    • @chrisjohnson1146
      @chrisjohnson1146 Před rokem +32

      My thoughts exactly. Starfleet drew a lot from modern Earth military, so it would make sense that they would also use some variant of an X registry to identify an Experimental. Hell we even see something like this in Stargate with the X-301 hybrid fighter, the X-302 (later F-302) and the X-303 Prometheus class (later replaced with the BC-304 Daedelus class)

    • @vic5015
      @vic5015 Před rokem +13

      @@chrisjohnson1146 yeah. For example,, their class maming system basically follows US Navy and Royal Navy conventions.

    • @mikes-qk1sh
      @mikes-qk1sh Před rokem +14

      Yes the. X prefix is used for experimental aircraft that are more like technology demonstrators and never intended for production. A more meaningful designation would be Y which is used for a design intended for production ie YF-16 or YF-22 designating pre production versions of the F-16 and F-22

    • @sugarfrosted2005
      @sugarfrosted2005 Před rokem

      And for many early experimental radio stations.

    • @sgt_s4und3r54
      @sgt_s4und3r54 Před rokem +8

      XP-72 can be seen at the USAF museum in Dayton. You hit the nail on the head as the Zumwalt class has an DD(X) classification.

  • @JB-ym4up
    @JB-ym4up Před rokem +551

    NCC stands for No Continuity Checks.

  • @robertf3479
    @robertf3479 Před rokem +103

    As I recall, the Prefix "NCC" first was published in the book "The Making of Star Trek" (1968) where the author explains "NCC" as meaning "Naval Construction Contract" with the prefix and registry number (NCC-1700) becoming the permanent hull identification number. I take this as canon.

    • @troyblackburn4522
      @troyblackburn4522 Před rokem +6

      I also read that book and remember the same reference. It’s also documented in the 1973 Star Trek (Enterprise) Blueprints as approved by Gene Roddenberry and copyrighted by Paramount. Sounds like Canon to me.

    • @nathanaelculver5308
      @nathanaelculver5308 Před rokem +1

      I’ve just had a quick perusal through my copy of Making of… and cannot find a reference to "naval construction contract". Nearest I can come is this from p171 which suggests it.
      "The unit components [of the Enterprise] were built at the Star Fleet Division of what is still called the San Francisco Navy Yards."
      The earliest occurrence I’m aware of of "naval construction contract" is sheet 1 of Franz Joseph’s blueprints in 1973.

    • @overtaxedcitizen4975
      @overtaxedcitizen4975 Před rokem +1

      @@troyblackburn4522 I came here to say this very thing; beat me to it. It is written on the blueprints (which I have owned since they were first available) so I would say that is much much more than “Fan Lore” as this video stated.

    • @tedrickles6073
      @tedrickles6073 Před rokem

      Thanks for a phenomenally well made and documented video on ship’s registries.This CZcams video was created with style and reverence and as an informational video it’s worth rewatching over and over! A real role federation would be wise to use this as an instructional video welcoming all new first year academy cadets, assuming they hadn’t already seen it. My only itty-bitty complaint (and it is small) is that I’m a fan of seeing starships in space dock - either in Spacedock above Earth, or at the Utopia Planitia yards of Mars. So, Seeing so comprehensive a video as you’ve made, it only made me feel like visuals of some of the ships you showed would have been even grander if seen in spacedock. By the way, I’ll be a fan forever if you can do a CZcams video on the structures of spacedock, their history, relative times ships need to spend in spacedock for repairs and the history of when the various spacedocks were established. But, as far as I’m concerned- You’ve already established yourself as “The Man!” With this video- Thanks from the bottom of my Trek heart!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • @spaceace1006
      @spaceace1006 Před rokem +1

      Also the 1976 Blueprints!

  • @lorenzo1701
    @lorenzo1701 Před rokem +111

    Also, in TOS, the shuttlecraft had the main star ship's registry, plus a "slash" (ie, the Galileo's registry: NCC-1701/7)

    • @andrewmalinowski6673
      @andrewmalinowski6673 Před rokem +6

      At least in TNG there was evidence of a similar process with at least two smaller shuttlecraft being seen (in background, mostly) bearing the Enterprise-D's registry and later a number following the slash as if marking the shuttle's "number" within the on-ship inventory

    • @chrismc410
      @chrismc410 Před rokem +3

      @@andrewmalinowski6673 runabouts were considered small starships in their own right and given USS names and NCC numbers like any other starship.

    • @Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC
      @Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC Před rokem

      Dash - a slash is either / or a \

  • @davidarimond5762
    @davidarimond5762 Před rokem +231

    NX = Naval eXperiment
    NCC = Naval Construction Contract
    # assigned based on contract number.
    Class Numbering is just based on the Starfleet planning boards bookmarked number group.
    -Letter is an honorific for which an older name that was reused but needing a new registry number for record keeping.

    • @DocWolph
      @DocWolph Před rokem +2

      And as for the most recent episode of "Lower Decks", "NA".

    • @chrissonofpear1384
      @chrissonofpear1384 Před rokem +8

      NCC - Naval Construction Code/Contract (very likely)
      NAR - Naval Auxiliary Reserve? Or Research?
      NSP - Naval Special Purpose?
      NCV - timeship, by 29th century or earlier
      NFT - freighter, transport - maybe civilian
      NDT - similar, also likely civilian. Ditto apparently NFT and NBT

    • @morganb6717
      @morganb6717 Před rokem +6

      NA - Naval Autonomous

    • @weldonwin
      @weldonwin Před rokem +4

      NCIA - Naval Covert Intelligence Asset

    • @MrGchiasson
      @MrGchiasson Před rokem +2

      I bought a paperback boon in the early 70's that gave lots of good details about Star Trek. That was one of the first things listed.
      ( I added the book to my small trekking book collection).

  • @pmsteamrailroading
    @pmsteamrailroading Před rokem +16

    The NCC being defined as Naval Construction Contract goes back to the original Enterprise blueprints, and star fleet technical manual.
    Both of these where published (professionally) before most of the viewers of this video where born.

  • @troyblackburn4522
    @troyblackburn4522 Před rokem +24

    I would say that given the term “Naval Construction Contract” appears in the Star Trek Blueprints of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 which were adapted by Gene Roddenberry and bear his name and were copyrighted by Paramount in 1973, that this constitutes more than just a popular fandom term. In fact, it constitutes Star Trek Canon. I have an original copy of the blueprints and can provide a picture or scan if you’d like.

    • @nathanaelculver5308
      @nathanaelculver5308 Před rokem +2

      "Naval Construction Contract"appears on the first sheet of my mid-7Os set of the blueprints But while it makes it something more than just "fan lore" I personally think its a little strong to call it canon.
      Scans of the blueprints are available pretty much all over the internet these days. Probably the best set is over at Cygnus-X1.

  • @QalOrt
    @QalOrt Před rokem +38

    My thoughts was always: NCC is Naval Commissioned Craft, NX is Naval Experimental, NAR is Naval Auxiliary Reserve

    • @FLAME4564
      @FLAME4564 Před rokem +4

      thats most likely the more fitting name for the NCC prefix since its a more dignified and insipring term not to mention it was nispired by how the irl navy operates with their ships after theyre constructed they too are commisioned into service too so its only fitting that Gene Rodenberry himself would have demmed the NCC prefix to be named the Naval Commission Craft prefix as a fitting name for all federation ships while the NX prefix would be named Naval Experemintal prefix to all those ships undergoing a shakedown cruise and testing of all new systems and being pathfinders for all new techs like how the TOS Enterpise was for the TMP refit and all other ships in the TMP era.

    • @donovanulrich348
      @donovanulrich348 Před rokem +1

      Except Navel implies sea
      Nationally or Neutrally works just aswell
      Since star fleet became a research and exploration based program, with the unified help of humanity and then other worlds

    • @QalOrt
      @QalOrt Před rokem

      @@donovanulrich348 I can concede that the N in NAR could be National, like National Academic Research or National Astrometric Research

  • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
    @SchneeflockeMonsoon Před rokem +34

    I’ve considered taking up the task of rewriting all of Trek as a fan project, and one of the first things I have on the list of ways to smooth out the canon is codifying how the registries work.

    • @Ottophil
      @Ottophil Před rokem

      This is dumb

    • @RichO1701e
      @RichO1701e Před rokem +1

      You need a girl mate.

    • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
      @SchneeflockeMonsoon Před rokem

      @@RichO1701e
      No duh.
      But I have plenty of brainpower to spare.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Před rokem +4

      @@RichO1701e one with similar interests so they can work on it together !

    • @TheDJOblivion
      @TheDJOblivion Před rokem +2

      @@SchneeflockeMonsoon don't listen to him, they're nothing but an expensive distraction, plus if you had the right girl she'd be just as excited to rewrite Trek with you as you are.

  • @SnazBrigade
    @SnazBrigade Před rokem +101

    I assumed NX was a nod or just borrowed from the USAF's tendency to label experimental craft with an X designation. They're even colloquially known as "X-Planes". For example, the Bell X1 and X2 were prototypes for supersonic flight, the X12 for Hypersonic, the X18 for tiltwings, the X35 became the F35 etc etc.

    • @TheCokoll
      @TheCokoll Před rokem +5

      You are both right and wrong) in USAF X like in X-1, X-5 ment completely experimental craft, whereas f-35 was not started as X-35, but rather as XF-35, as it was not an experimental craft, but a preproduction prototype. Same with XB-70, etc.

    • @xyreniaofcthrayn1195
      @xyreniaofcthrayn1195 Před rokem +2

      ​@@TheCokoll uh not to mention that preproduction prototypes must choose a pattern for construction that pass experimental testing for all components. Can't have rather outdated technology prone to failure or there is no more way to get the component anymore.

    • @CLSiler2
      @CLSiler2 Před rokem +4

      @@TheCokoll You are incorrect. The prototype of the F-35 was indeed X-35, just like its competitor for the JSF contract was the X-32. This is different than the contract that resulted in the F-22 as the prototypes that competed were the YF-22 and YF-23 designations respectively.
      If the DoD had followed the recommendation from the office that allocates the MDS Designations for aerospace vehicles, then the X-35 would have become the F-24. Unfortunately, there was a press conference about the X-35 winning the contract, and when the general in charge of the announcement was asked by a reporter what the Fighter's production name would be, he simply said "F-35" without checking what the official DoD recommendation was.
      As an additional wrinkle, the official Biography of of Col. Joseph A. Lanni claims that he flew several classified prototypes, including a "YF-24". If true, than a reason for the DoD to stick with the F-35 designation would dodge not only embarrassing a flag officer, but would also avoid confusion for personnel with clearance to know about the alleged YF-24, and potentially awkward conversations if the designation ended up being F-25 instead.

    • @StarFleet_Tech1701
      @StarFleet_Tech1701 Před rokem +4

      Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek's creator) was in the Air Force and Navy so he borrowed a lot of terminology from them.

    • @TheCokoll
      @TheCokoll Před rokem

      @@CLSiler2 will search about x-35. Doesnt seem to be to plausible, as there was always a distinct pattern when a plane starts as XF (XB, XA, etc depending if its a foghter bomber, etc) as a first couple of prototypes, than changes to YF when it reaches a small preproduction series run, and lastly cuts to just F when finally enters full service

  • @Chipmunk_of_Vengeance
    @Chipmunk_of_Vengeance Před rokem +27

    X is quite often used for Experimental, like the XF-12 (which would become the A-12 and SR-71). So it makes sense fo the X in NX to mean Experimental.

    • @kdrapertrucker
      @kdrapertrucker Před rokem

      No, the XF-12 did not become the A-12, the A-12 came first and was very Top Secret. And as not even an Air Force aircraft, being a Cia asset. The SR-71 was a twin seat version of the A-12 oxcart which as later used. The xF-12 as a prototype of an iterceptor version of the SR-71 which was experimental in that they had to make aerodynamic chang's to the airframe and test to ensure the weapons bays could successfully deploy missile at Mach or faster.

  • @talideon
    @talideon Před rokem +19

    I prefer to think of 'NA' as meaning 'naval ancillary' or 'naval autonomous', but 'naval automated' also makes sense.
    I think the 'X' in 'NX' is a nod to the use of 'X' in the naming of many US prototype and experimental craft.

    • @img00
      @img00 Před rokem +1

      I was thinking more Naval Automaton myself but who knows 😊

  • @okashi6
    @okashi6 Před rokem +4

    I once asked my dad and grandma what NCC stood for back in the early 90s. It took a few weeks but my grandma found the answer. Looking back now, she did all of this without the internet and had to read through so many books to find the answer.

    • @peterl.104
      @peterl.104 Před rokem

      What is the answer she found?

    • @okashi6
      @okashi6 Před rokem +1

      @@peterl.104 honestly, I don’t remember. It has been almost 30 years since that moment

    • @LaserParody
      @LaserParody Před rokem +1

      @@okashi6 Whatever the answer, it sounds like the moment itself was the real game changer.
      Wonderful memory to have. TY for sharing.

  • @RafaleC77th
    @RafaleC77th Před rokem +4

    I was always under the impression it was Naval Construction Code - but the Contract take on it makes more sense seeing how its a Civilian agency.

  • @EinherjarLucian
    @EinherjarLucian Před rokem +2

    "Naval Construction Contract" for NCC was featured in the FASA Star Trek RPG's "Starship Construction Manual."

  • @MrMyu
    @MrMyu Před rokem +11

    The novel "Best Destiny" is where I first saw NCC as Naval Construction Contract. The Excelsior-class USS Bill of Rights was listed as NEE-2010 for Navel Exploration Extension. So definitely beta canon, but not exactly an assumption that crept into accepted knowledge

  • @StarFleet_Tech1701
    @StarFleet_Tech1701 Před rokem +3

    Beginning in 1973, I had always known this:
    USS - United StarShip,
    NCC - Naval Construction Contract

  • @solomonkane102
    @solomonkane102 Před rokem +2

    It comes from a photo of a biplane in the air from above from around 1920. Large letters on the wing say NCC, standing for navy Curtiss class.

  • @Vipre-
    @Vipre- Před rokem +15

    I believe Navigational Contact, or Communication, Code was floated somewhere as a possibility. It'd fit as well since encountered ships were often identified by registry first then name based on the registry in various episodes and films.

    • @mamayl8592
      @mamayl8592 Před rokem

      I like the code myself as it implies the number following identifies it within a listing or group.

    • @Vipre-
      @Vipre- Před rokem

      It'd also explain the A, B, C practice when a number was reused for a ship as the earlier ship might still be around in a museum fleet using its code for identification.

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev Před rokem +5

    According to wiki, which does quote Matt Jeffries, the fellow who designed it, 'NC' came from the prewar US civil aircraft registration code, and 'C' was added because it could be an S in Cyrillic 🤔, and '1701' because it was the first of Starfleet's 17th class of ship.

  • @stevengalloway8052
    @stevengalloway8052 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for this underrated subject of Starfleet ship number destinations... 👏👍

  • @harrisonrothacher2250
    @harrisonrothacher2250 Před rokem +14

    I actually compiled all of the registries, classes, and ships into an excel spreadsheet to look at the correlation between the time period they were active in and their registry number. It was relatively coherent, albeit with a few major outliers, like the Solvang in lower decks (with a much lower registry than it should have had) and the Pegasus from TNG (which had one much higher than it should have given when it was active)

    • @mr.flibble3190
      @mr.flibble3190 Před rokem +5

      I wonder whether discontinuous registry numbers might come from a counterintelligence strategy. Randomly selected numbers or blocks of numbers could be reserved for random "early" or "late" out-of-sequence assignment to make it more difficult for Threat force intelligence to determine how many ships of any given class have been commissioned.

    • @chrissonofpear1384
      @chrissonofpear1384 Před rokem +3

      If the Pegasus was launched 2347 or later, it makes a fair bit of sense, I suppose.
      The Prometheus must have been delayed a fairly long time, though, before it's October 2373 launch.
      And the USS Phoenix NCC-65420, launching around March 2363, may be a bit on the low side?
      Meanwhile, I continue to compile a massive list, from a variety of sources, both official, semi official, and some fan.

    • @harrisonrothacher2250
      @harrisonrothacher2250 Před rokem +3

      @@chrissonofpear1384 the phoenix, if you stretch the timeline of the arils and Norway classes, fits fine, albeit a little wonky. What doesn’t fit is the Melbourne, which as around in the 2280s having a registry of 62043. Glad I’m not the only one interested in anomalous ship registries.

    • @chrissonofpear1384
      @chrissonofpear1384 Před rokem +3

      @@harrisonrothacher2250 That is how I treat it, yes. Lots of gaps left in 52100, 61900, 63200-500 and 64900, and so on. So there'd be a lot of spaces left over, for later.
      I did not hear of the Melbourne being around in the 2280s, however. If that is the Excelsior-class version (rather than the proto-Nebula one) then it may be another case of re-numbering. But then both ships might be around at once.
      And the USS Franklin likely got a new registry post 2160, too.
      I tend to average numbers of ships a year as between 350 to 660, but can be higher, at times.
      During the 2320s for a while, it seemed to shoot up hugely - maybe lots of scout ships and transports were suddenly added? Or early runabouts.

    • @harrisonrothacher2250
      @harrisonrothacher2250 Před rokem +1

      @@mr.flibble3190 I had a theory similar to this, since in the TMP films there was a series of registries in the 80000s, most of which had nonsense names and duplicate registry numbers, so I thought it might be some secret starfleet code that they could use to communicate privately. It could be a decent explaination for any out of place ship number we see on a datapad or not as an official ship, at the very least.

  • @davidalangay1186
    @davidalangay1186 Před rokem +3

    Entertaining and informative. Thanks for producing this video.

  • @audeamus1180
    @audeamus1180 Před rokem +4

    I remember reading somewhere in the 80's or 90's NCC was for "Naval Calling Code", therefore the Enterprise's pennant number is 1701. Like the battleship USS Missouri is "63".

  • @JubeiKibagamiFez
    @JubeiKibagamiFez Před rokem +3

    I love your videos. I'm such a nerd for this stuff.

  • @waltermc3906
    @waltermc3906 Před rokem +4

    back in the day CC was used to designate a Naval Cruiser. I had always assumed that NCC was meant ti be analogous of that

    • @jamesmarciel5237
      @jamesmarciel5237 Před rokem

      In the U.S. designations, CC actually is the designation for a battle cruiser.

    • @waltermc3906
      @waltermc3906 Před rokem

      @@jamesmarciel5237 which is exactly what the klingons designated the Enterprise in Star Trek 3

  • @lordomacron3719
    @lordomacron3719 Před rokem +6

    I think a little historical note on naming tradions are the Royal Navy Letter Classes. With every ship of the class given a name starting with the same letter. I do find it interesting the different conventions that naming and registries that were used over history.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Před rokem

      Of course they’re kind of abandoning that now, with the City-class simply being named after cities (and the first ship of the line is the HMS Glasgow, not the HMS City!)

    • @janwitkowsky8787
      @janwitkowsky8787 Před rokem

      @@kaitlyn__L Heresy!

  • @RA-hi5ln
    @RA-hi5ln Před rokem +11

    N is the prefix for aircraft registration in the US. I believe Gene Roddenberry's plane's registration started with NC so they just added the extra c on. X is a refrence to the X-planes.

    • @numberyellow
      @numberyellow Před rokem

      Yeah i've read that too.. This is one of the infrequent instances where i'm disappointed with the research on one of these videos.

    • @TheOneTrueDragonKing
      @TheOneTrueDragonKing Před rokem

      This was the explanation in the Star Trek Encyclopedia circa 2001, so...

    • @No1sonuk
      @No1sonuk Před rokem

      Yeah. IIRC, the extra C was because they decided that's how far they'd get with changing/adding letters in 300 years.

  • @paulfelix5849
    @paulfelix5849 Před rokem +4

    The X is used for Experimental because E is already used for other purposes. Most specifically, US aircraft can bear letters that show they have been modified from their original design for a specific task such as G for gunship or R for a reconnaissance. E is mostly for training.

  • @generichardson4771
    @generichardson4771 Před rokem +1

    gene rodenberry in an interview when asked about the ncc he said when he looked at aircraft they would usually have nc as part of the tail number so he said hmmm lets just add an extra c for the starships and boom there you have it

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Před rokem

    Neat look into this! Thanks for uploading!

  • @Sparky1701
    @Sparky1701 Před rokem +1

    I have to dig up my blueprints of 1701 from 1973 - I think they stated eight on there that it is Naval Construction Contract. And I think those were 'made canon' by Roddenberry

  • @Condor1970
    @Condor1970 Před rokem +1

    I read once back in the 70's, that NCC originally stood for the name of the Shipyard Company that made the primary series of starships. Shuttles and other ships have different designations.
    "Naval Construction Contractors".

  • @korvatusklok4059
    @korvatusklok4059 Před rokem +3

    Thanks for this video. I'm actually designing my own defiant style ship and was just trying to figure out it's registry number

  • @LiamDennehy
    @LiamDennehy Před rokem +2

    NX has a heritage for experimental craft - e.g. the X-35 demonstrator and development craft became the F-35 Lightning II. The Bell X-22 was used to research fan/rotor VTOL, and is why the Osprey is designated the V-22.

  • @kabobawsome
    @kabobawsome Před rokem +4

    I mean, in the real world, it's not beyond even very serious navies to use odd letters that sound or look cooler to make acronyms or designations sound better.
    Also in the real world, the "X" is *specifically* very commonly used for Experimental.

  • @looneyburgmusic
    @looneyburgmusic Před rokem +2

    After the release of ST:TMP, there was a collectors book released of Trek Starship blueprints, and that book had "NCC" meaning Naval Construction Contract.

    • @raymondoverbee2300
      @raymondoverbee2300 Před rokem

      Also in that book listed all ships classes names and call letters at that time I had the book and in ST:TNG All Good Things the future enterprise with a 3rd nucell would be classified as a Dreadnought class

  • @mikejankowski3088
    @mikejankowski3088 Před rokem +5

    Interesting note on the NA ships.... I wonder if the AI tech in the Texas Class will also play into the eventual Synth attack on Mars in 2385 - at least as another reason to "ban" AI tech

  • @Jeffjg18
    @Jeffjg18 Před rokem

    Great video explanation!!

  • @fluffskunk
    @fluffskunk Před rokem +1

    I always had it in my head as "Naval Construction Corps" as though that was a Starfleet organization signing off on its safety and integrity, and registering it as an active Starfleet vessel. NX would follow as "Navy eXperiment" meaning it wasn't certified and you were onboard at your own risk. Basically a certification that an engineering team independent from both the shipyard that built her, and the crew who'd be operating her, had signed off on all her critical systems during a shakedown.

  • @tolazytothinkofanamd2351

    Never been this early. Great video as always

  • @elcowabungahe-man6156

    Great video of Trek info love the shot's of the Nebula Class my favorite class of starship

  • @abrahamvieyra5730
    @abrahamvieyra5730 Před rokem +1

    Highly interesting topic. The Starship
    NAVIGATIONAL CRAFT CARRIER was something I heard back during production of DS9 references.

  • @Wildcard120
    @Wildcard120 Před rokem

    Thanks for the information.

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 Před rokem +3

    Considering it's not as complex as Japanese aircraft designation codes it's better than nothing.

  • @kilroywashere513
    @kilroywashere513 Před rokem

    Fascinating video🤔.

  • @NCC-72545A
    @NCC-72545A Před rokem +2

    I always considered the U.S.S. stood for United Star Ship

  • @EmpyreanFrost
    @EmpyreanFrost Před rokem +1

    "Much like NFT's" :D
    a man of culture.

  • @dynamojoeful
    @dynamojoeful Před rokem +19

    I remember reading that NCC was just chosen by Roddenberry because he liked the sound of it, so the acronym has always been open to interpretation, the interpretation that I like best is ‘Navigational Constellation Code’, with this idea that Starfleet HQ tracks the position of all ships relative to each other and the deployment of ships is like a galaxy-wide fluid that changes organically reacting to events and opportunities.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Před rokem

      That is a pretty cool explanation. Almost too elegant....but doesn't cover NX classifiations....

    • @anthonylowder6687
      @anthonylowder6687 Před rokem +2

      @@3Rayfire And it doesn’t make any sense at all!!

    • @edbangor9163
      @edbangor9163 Před rokem +2

      Roddenberry-based Starfleet on the US Navy. LCC is amphibious command ship. There are no surface craft with an N in their class designation. The logical conclusion is that N has something to do with orbit or space, and the CC still means command ship. Since Roddenberry pulled the lettering out of thin air but was still basing them on the US Navy, we have to use US Navy rules for hull numbers.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Před rokem +1

      @@edbangor9163 Actually he was (Army) Air Force and the NC comes from a civilian aircraft registration. However the registration idea came from Matt Jefferies who was also Air Force. Both worked on bombers.

    • @edbangor9163
      @edbangor9163 Před rokem

      @@3Rayfire Roddenberry was Army Air Corp, true. But Starfleet itself is modeled on the US Navy. The USS makes the subject beyond any doubt.

  • @gerrymichaud3851
    @gerrymichaud3851 Před rokem +2

    As per one of my Star Trek TOS novels, NCC 1701 Enterprise. Naval Construction Contract 1701. When the Enterprise was on the drawing board it was NCC 1700. But by the time construction started the design had changed so much, with new technology like the Daystrom duotronic computer, they decided to create a new contract, hence the NCC-1701. I believe it was the novel, Final Frontier.

    • @Torgo1001
      @Torgo1001 Před 8 měsíci

      I always thought NCC-1700 was USS Constitution's Naval Construction Contract number, since Enterprise was a Constitution-class vessel.

  • @EliotJohnson
    @EliotJohnson Před rokem

    Neat and entertaining!

  • @marvelboy74
    @marvelboy74 Před rokem +1

    I like when the naming convention of the ships matches the class, such as the Danube class Runabouts or California class. By that thinking, we should see very few A-B-C's floating around.

  • @NeoTechni
    @NeoTechni Před rokem

    I am wheezing at your NFT jokes. Excellent😅

  • @stevenserna910
    @stevenserna910 Před 8 měsíci

    US Civilian aircraft registration numbers frequently started with N meaning "National".
    The numerals also designated a fleet numeral designation by the factory that also had to do with the year of manufacture. Like vehicle VIN numbers, there are so many now, they've probably had to re-designate several times over the course of time.

  • @thomasparker7305
    @thomasparker7305 Před rokem

    Was very interesting

  • @mmasque2052
    @mmasque2052 Před rokem +1

    I always thought Klingon ships got designated by the Federation as “IKV so-and-so” for Imperial Klingon Vessel. And IRV for Imperial Romulan Vessel. Who the Klingons and Romulans handled their ships’ designation was never discussed.

  • @Marconius6
    @Marconius6 Před rokem +1

    Section 31 is so secretive they have their own ship registry... and special badges.

  • @captnrobvious47
    @captnrobvious47 Před rokem +3

    I remember an interview with Matt Jefferies talking about this. I belive he said the suffix "letter" at the end of a number indicates a refit, not so much a famous ship. I know this differs from what we see on screen but I just like this logic better.

    • @mem1701movies
      @mem1701movies Před rokem

      Yeah. The way he drew it that on TMP it should be 1701-A

  • @richardjohnson9543
    @richardjohnson9543 Před rokem +3

    I recall reading that starship registry numbers are based on the markings you see on airplanes, some of which begin with NC and NX for experimental models. It's said that Jeffries just added an extra C because it looked better and more advanced. Airplanes are also the basis for starship running lights

    • @QziQza
      @QziQza Před rokem

      running lanterns, flags, and pennons, are a maritime convention dating back to the earliest naval vessels.

    • @JoeySchmidt74
      @JoeySchmidt74 Před rokem

      @@QziQza pretty sure he's on about the colouring used in Trek.

  • @SPDSTEVE
    @SPDSTEVE Před rokem

    NCC officially stands for "Navy-Curtis Craft", referring to the fact that the design and construction of the cruisers was a combination of the Navy's and Curtis Industries inputs.

  • @DonJoyce
    @DonJoyce Před rokem

    Well strung out!!

  • @1leggeddog
    @1leggeddog Před rokem

    Simple subject,b ut informative!

  • @ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming

    I don’t think the 1700 block of numbers was exclusively used by the Constitution class. Remember the Constellation from the Doomsday Machine episode? Its registry number was 1017. Of course, the reason for that is because they used a model kit of the Enterprise and changed the numbers around. In-universe, it could be that sometimes registry numbers are random or chosen. The Phoenix from the TNG episode The Wounded had a registry number of 65420. Who knows for sure.

    • @mammutMK2
      @mammutMK2 Před rokem

      Maybe they just reserved a block. New great ship class, want to start by xx00 , federation ist just growing, so they chose the 17 (maybe even just like glock chose the 17, not because it's the 17th gon, it's because they have 17 patents on it) because it was the 17th design? So they plan the construction of 15 ships and reserve the number 1700 to 1714....some time later they plan on building 5 more and they end with leftover nubers

    • @chbu7081
      @chbu7081 Před rokem

      Maybe the designers and builders of that ship gave them numbers that had personal meaning to them.

    • @mem1701movies
      @mem1701movies Před rokem +1

      @@mammutMK2 you’re right as the designer Matt Jefferies chose those numbers because they couldn’t be confused like 3689. AND he said it was the 17th design 01 first bird. Don’t know why they didn’t make the CONSTELLATION 1710.

    • @digitalis2977
      @digitalis2977 Před rokem

      More likely that the Constellation was a rebuild with a registry number carried forward: Constellation is a shop name as old as ships themselves, so it would be natural that United Earth/Early Starfleet would use the name in short order, and no "-X" designations appear ANYWHERE in TOS until Roddenberry decided to blow up the Enterprise in Star Trek III and apply it to a new vessel as the 1701-A at the end of Star Trek IV...indicating when a ship was destroyed or decommissioned prior to that event, the name and registry were likely just recycled without the alpha-numeric suffix.

  • @Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC
    @Steve-Quinn-YC-GaSC Před rokem

    I once worked in a pet food wholesellers and the boss had one van he labelled up as 'van 06' and I asked him why and he replied "because people will think I have more vans than I do" genius

  • @xtraspecialmango
    @xtraspecialmango Před rokem

    Nice Coaxial Conduits

  • @kenefdz
    @kenefdz Před rokem +2

    I believe in the novel The Final Frontier , NCC stood for Naval Construction Contract (or Code).

    • @rcslyman8929
      @rcslyman8929 Před rokem

      Yeah, I know we didn't just pull it out on a whim. It was written somewhere that got circulation and reached a wide enough distribution to gain "obscure reference" notoriety. Probably not the novel itself (I don't remember it explicitly, but I do know I read it way back when), but I can't immediately point to anything else out of memory. I mean, like he said, no canon source, but... we, the general fandom, didn't just make it up. The term came from some document somewhere.

  • @21stcenturyguy25
    @21stcenturyguy25 Před rokem

    These excerpts are from a thread on the Star Trek Memory Alpha forum that I read recently
    According to both "The Making of Star Trek", and the second season writers guide update, NCC officially stands for "Navy-Curtis Craft", referring to the fact that the design and construction of the cruisers was a combination of the Navy's and Curtis Industries inputs. Curtis Industries is (will be) an industrial ship-builder located in San Francisco that has fulfilled many Starfleet-bid projects. The Navy was responsible for transporting the components into low Earth orbit, and assembling the ship in space.
    In plate #3 of the Original Franz Joseph Designs Star Trek Blueprints, NCC-1700 is clearly labeled as the "Naval Construction Contract Number" for the USS Constitution.
    For those of you curious as to the origin of "Naval Construction Code", Mada101 is correct. It comes from a Diane Carey novel entitled Star Trek: Best Destiny. At the beginning of several different chapters, the novel sets the scene location by utilizing the ship's name followed by the words "Naval Construction Contract 1701-A" or "Naval Experimental 2001"
    The Star Trek Enterprise registration number, NCC-1701, was inspired by Matt Jeffries' own 1935 Waco YOC airplane, which was registered as NC-17740. His plane is now housed in a museum in Richmond, Virginia.

  • @AustynSN
    @AustynSN Před rokem

    In my head canon, the IKS prefix is a screen translation by the universal translator. The Klingons name it with Klingon letters that may or may not have phonetics that correspond to Terran letters. On the flip side, their own computers translate the image of the starfleet ships registries to the first letter of the klingon translation of the specific words for which each letter stands.

  • @shindoushuichi0287
    @shindoushuichi0287 Před rokem +4

    A couple of interesting real world registration facts, in the USAF the tail numbers usually come from a combination of the last two digits of the year and the build number of the craft. Like for the A-10C, tail numbers would be 79-195. Built in 1979 and was the 195th plane of that year to be built.

    • @shindoushuichi0287
      @shindoushuichi0287 Před rokem

      Also the X for experiment is also a real
      world thing for the USAF. The X-23 was an experimental high altitude hyper sonic test bed until it was replaced by further development platforms.

    • @AndreiTupolev
      @AndreiTupolev Před rokem

      That was the fiscal year they were ordered. For some with long lead times like the B-2, the tail number could have a date years before it was actually built

    • @LaserParody
      @LaserParody Před rokem

      that'd be rough when 3 different airframes get their 150th plane all built the same year.
      Trainwreck waiting to happen.

    • @shindoushuichi0287
      @shindoushuichi0287 Před rokem

      @@LaserParody well true but then if that would be the case I would imagine they would identify by airframe and then tail number.

  • @lazrus01
    @lazrus01 Před rokem +1

    I always thought "NCC" was "naval crewed class", which seemed to work when "NA" seemed to be "naval automated".

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Před rokem

      Quick, we have to scan TAS for any hull registries on the automated freighters! (Or I suppose the automated asteroid mining ships from SNW, they could’ve actually feasibly coordinates that detail if they cared enough.)

  • @LENZ5369
    @LENZ5369 Před rokem +3

    I think 'United [Federation of Planets] Star Ship' for USS makes more sense than United Space Ship.
    'Federation Starship' was said alot.

    • @jamesmarciel5237
      @jamesmarciel5237 Před rokem

      I believe United Federation of Planets, Space Ship” is what is actually said in TOS as opposed to what others are claiming as being “canonical”, “United Space Ship”

  • @penguinmaster7
    @penguinmaster7 Před rokem +2

    i always assumed the A in NA stood for "Autonomous"

  • @excelents
    @excelents Před rokem +3

    Before they received their respective names the Titanic's Hull Number was 401 and her sister ship the Olympic was 400.

    • @NCMA29
      @NCMA29 Před rokem +1

      Interesting! But of course the hull numbers assigned by a shipyard don't translate into pennant numbers after the vessel become operational...

  • @bluelionsage99
    @bluelionsage99 Před rokem

    Pretty cure the Enterprise blue prints I had back in 1978 / 79 or so indicted that NCC was indeed naval construction contract.

  • @sagesheahan6732
    @sagesheahan6732 Před rokem

    Oh hey! A Bonaventure-class! Neat!

  • @Davegvg3576
    @Davegvg3576 Před rokem

    According to the guys at the Howard Anderson Visual effects company NCC was an amalgam between the early us Navy NC flying boats and the soviet CCCP - they figured a starship would be built in a time where all the major countries on earth would have to come together to supply component tech and labor.

  • @NorthForkFisherman
    @NorthForkFisherman Před rokem

    Naval Contract Code. At least as how well I remember the canon books and blueprints from the 70's.
    Damn. I wish I still had them.

  • @bigglessy
    @bigglessy Před rokem

    USS Audacious NCC-26248-A reporting in! Always enjoy trying to find a unique or historical tie-in for registry numbers in STO.

  • @robertfousch2703
    @robertfousch2703 Před rokem

    Well us older fans have always known it's Naval Construction Contract. All the early books and stuff from the 1970's stated that was what the markings meant.

  • @SenileOtaku
    @SenileOtaku Před rokem

    I had been working on a similar issue with a series I've been working on. Being a commercial/passenger vessel in the early days of space travel, I looked through what current civilian ships use. Still deciding between 2 or 3 possibilities.

  • @andrewmalinowski6673
    @andrewmalinowski6673 Před rokem

    What I think should be noted was that both Jeffries and Roddenberry had aviation backgrounds and (at least according to a display at the Evergreen Aviation Museum) the "NCC" was chosen as it was a callback to aviation registries of "non-commercial craft" and at least in-universe the Constitution-class itself was supposed to possess a "17" as a signifier of their class with last two digits being the vessel's own identifier within the class. Aside from the inconsistent numbering and strange designators it's also strange how in "Enterprise" the only NX known was a pre-Federation "experimental" class which in the novels was reclassified with NCC upon formation of the Federation

  • @TARDISver40
    @TARDISver40 Před rokem

    Top class waffling.

  • @ODST_Parker
    @ODST_Parker Před rokem

    Let's not forget extremely weird circumstances like the Defiant, initially being a Constitution class NCC-1764, then the Defiant class prototype NX-74205, and then finally the renamed USS Sao Paulo NCC-75633. In the wise words of Scotty, no bloody A or B. Three ships sharing the same name, but none designated as such under the same system.
    The identification and registry systems is one of those things I wish the writers had paid more attention to over the years, because if it was 100% consistent to this day, it'd be a really cool way of knowing exactly what ship you're looking at, where it comes from, how old it is, etc. Then again, our own modern militaries have never been 100% consistent, so I guess there's realistic precedent for the mix-ups.

  • @crystalheart9
    @crystalheart9 Před rokem

    So many things I didn't know about the Enterprise.

  • @Mad-Bassist
    @Mad-Bassist Před rokem

    Cool video! I guess if one sees a ship registry of ICV... we're all done!

  • @bdr32965
    @bdr32965 Před rokem +1

    I was under the impression that USS stood for United Star Ship instead of United Space Ship. Because in the Star Trek world they refer to the ships as Star Ships.

  • @JohnSmith-el6lk
    @JohnSmith-el6lk Před rokem +1

    It is my understanding that the real-life designer of the Enterprise took 17 tries to create the 1 final design of the Enterprise. Hence 1701

  • @mabs9503
    @mabs9503 Před rokem +8

    I've often wished we'd have seen other examples of the letter suffixes for a "successor" type ship. The USS Eagle NCC-956 would have been perfect with an A or B suffix.

    • @jaymartin8273
      @jaymartin8273 Před rokem

      Same here! There have to be other ships with just as long and great histories as the Enterprise :=)

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Před rokem

      Me too. For instance why is the new Stargazer 82893 instead of 2893-A? They even kept the 2893. Similarly it would’ve been very cool for the Defiant to get an -A.
      Yet we see it for Discovery which isn’t even a replacement, just a refit (albeit that’s for culpable deniability purposes surrounding time travel). Seemingly they’ve done it a lot more in the future though, with Voyager-J, and the Relativity-G.

  • @cliftonbeck6536
    @cliftonbeck6536 Před rokem

    In Des Monies at a convention in the early 90's I asked James Doohan about the use of NCC he said that he and Gene agreed it was Navel Construction Contract. I assumed others also asked James or Gene and got the same answer

  • @HairTorque
    @HairTorque Před rokem

    My word... You sir, are a massive nerd! I salute you.

    • @HairTorque
      @HairTorque Před rokem

      Actually, it almost made me cry. I've been pondering these registration prefixes since the 80s. This video, for some reason, felt like... Felt like ,when I first discovered the internet, and other nerds.

  • @royshashibrock3990
    @royshashibrock3990 Před rokem

    A friend, who served on the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN- 65 if I remember correctly) told me the designation stood for "Carrier, Victor class, Nuclear powered." The number simply referred to the design production number (not all made it to actual production).
    Thinking along those same lines, it would seem to me that NCC-1701 stood for "Nuclear, Constitution Class, [class design production number]. Yes friends, anti-matter drives are a form of nuclear propulsion.
    Never the less, I leave such worries to those who are expert in Star Trek Canon.

  • @roberta4145
    @roberta4145 Před rokem

    NCC- Navel Construction Contract. Was first established in the FASA role play game.

  • @RWSCOTT
    @RWSCOTT Před rokem +2

    on some of TOS engineering conduits the gag acronym 'GNDN' is printed ('Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing') :D

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Před rokem +1

      GNDN has seen plenty of revival appearances now too :D though there were a few call-outs to it in TNG-era, they were usually printed too small on those labels to be read on screen.

    • @excelents
      @excelents Před rokem +1

      If memory serves correctly in the TNG technical manual there is also mention of the ODN Bypass = "Obviously Does Nothing"

    • @RWSCOTT
      @RWSCOTT Před rokem

      @@excelents lol!

  • @michaeldelucci4379
    @michaeldelucci4379 Před rokem

    The NCC letters are the old number system of aircraft identification by the old bureau of aviation. Since Roddenberry was a pilot that is how NC became NCC

  • @EDSKaR
    @EDSKaR Před rokem +1

    There might be a mirror to real world historians here. For IKS "Imperial Klingon Ship" might be similar to the use of the term IJS "Imperial Japanese Ship", which was never used by the Japanese, but is used by modern historians so that every ship gets a nice 3 letter tag. Similarly KMS for "Kriegsmarine Schiff" (ship) for German ships of the same era was not used during the time, only by historians.

  • @ElimGarakOnDS9
    @ElimGarakOnDS9 Před rokem

    I remember once reading in one of the technical manuals that NCC stands for Naval Command Construction.
    But that was oh so many years ago 😂

  • @Chieffino
    @Chieffino Před rokem +1

    Using X is a common standard in modern experimental craft to represent the craft is under development. The DDX-1000 was the designation for years for the DDG-1000 USS Zumwalt class Advanced Guided Missile Destroyer.

  • @90lancaster
    @90lancaster Před rokem +2

    I kinda like "Naval Autonomous" for the Texas Class as well there is the ties to paramount and paramount did the Live action Transformers movies, and they repeatedly called them "Autonomous Robots" so that would tie in nicely.
    I'm pretty sure that NX stands for Xperimental for several reasons.
    The X-Planes (I won't post a link but do a search for "List of X-Planes")
    But also it seems to fit with the Plot of Enterprise very well for it to mean that. The "warp 5 Xperimental programme #01".

    • @Bionickpunk
      @Bionickpunk Před rokem +2

      Could also be "Naval Automaton".

    • @90lancaster
      @90lancaster Před rokem +2

      @@Bionickpunk Could be but i'd associate that term more with organic forms like humanoid or animal puppets.
      Autonomous Vehicle sounds like something the US Navy would use as a term more and so seems to suit Star Trek to me too. If they had like a federation combat mech then perhaps that term automaton would suit that "maybe".

  • @Firefox13A
    @Firefox13A Před rokem +1

    Eagle had to be a starship of another class that was converted into a Constitution refit. Most Starfleet construction became modular in the TMP+ era.
    I heard NCC was “Naval Construction Contract” as well and ran with it.

    • @kellysavage7073
      @kellysavage7073 Před rokem

      that is what i heard it was as well Firefox13A

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Před rokem

      Jeffries envisaged it being modular from day 1 - he sketched the nacelles popping-off and being replaced with square ones in the 60s. Agree we didn’t see many signs of it until TMP though.

  • @brianartillery
    @brianartillery Před rokem

    Naval Construction Contract. It's a real abbreviation that was used on US Navy vessels.