How the Emerald Dream EVOLVED from Vanilla to Legion
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Today we take a look on some early concepts of Emerald Dream which has been in the game files since before Wow was released (and still remains until this day). It has been 13 years since the files were added, and we are finally getting some concrete Dream content. This is the road between then and now. Enjoy!
Gameplay clips in the video:
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• Eranikus Invades Moong...
• Hope Within the Emeral...
• 7.0 Alpha: Emerald Nig...
Music used:
Various World of Warcraft Music
Silent Partner - Yard Sale
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It is crazy that the Emerald Dream is finally being released into the game tomorrow in 10.2. Its crazy to watch these old videos to see the history of the zone. RIP Hayven, you are missed!
Hayven may no longer be with us, but he's been immortalized through these videos. Forever remembered.
"It Only Took 13 years" .....
That's the gist behind much of WoW.
From player housing, to what's going on behind Greymane Wall, to absent major lore figures of the RTS games making their MMO debuts, etc.
Blizz has a knack for taking years to get to something that is otherwise simple.
Player housing? All we have are garrisons, no customizable houses. :P Too much content.
+Malachite I don't think it's not that it's too much content but they said they were testing it with garrisons and wanted to carry it further and almost every expansion if you explore development builds especially in vanilla they were always toying with the idea. They've basically said its not that it won't work, it's that it won't be a good thing for everyone. See garrisons total failure and making everyone a complete recluse.
i have only 17 XD
2019 and still love hearing you talk. still missed. thank you for keeping the content online to his friends family and loved ones
Rest in peace Hayven, it is here I will be ending for tonight I have watched all of your videos to this point once again, and all your videos showed things we wanted to know, you did something you loved and enjoyed to do so much.. and your work always showed that, it is a shame there is never gonna be this kind of content as special as yours made by anybody else, your channel is something special that will never be replaceable. I wish I had thanked you enough and posted on all your videos from the first day I subscribed..
You are like an historian! It must be a challenge to research these things and find all those old quotes. Thanks for showing us these things
These are known to everyone and can find them on every page about ED.
RIP Hayven, *Never* forgotten
I wish they used those floating twisted trees in the Legion version
Would be cool but wouldnt be lore friendly.
Why not?
+Veeti Raussi dream is blue print of azeroth. not many floating trees in azeroth
architects tend to draw physically impossible things
jade li good point
I would like to see a bigger part for the emerald dream than just a raid or dungeon..the place is as big as azeroth just not broken so they could surely send us there to do quests and all..like to go find eranikus and save him from his corruption so he can go help ysera once again..they made a whole book about it so I think they could give us a little more especially for those of us who have been waiting years for something to come of it..
The problem with the Emerald Dream is that it's nearly identical to Azeroth, geographically. Which means it would be a "rehash" according to many players, just like Draenor was supposedly a "rehash" of Outland.
But the thing is theres nothing to do there unless theres a nightmare going on which only ever happens when xavius does something.
The Emerald Dream is a blueprint of Old Kalimdor before the Well of Eternity imploded, before Deathwing burbed his Cataclysm and so on... So it isn't nearly identical to Azeroth with its continents... it is completely different with one big continent.
Unbroken Azeroth sounds far from a "rehash" of current day Azeroth, especially since Deathwing's ravaging penetration. Emerald Dream is pre-sundering with a dash of Nightmare now. Even if they focused on zones that are already known, by the lore, it shouldn't be identical. Unless there's been some major lore changes within the past 6 years regarding the dream.
Emerald Dream expansion was supposed to happen after BC but as red sparrow stated blizz didnt think many players would like it since it would look almost identical to our own azeroth, i personally would have liked especially since it would have ties to warcraft 3 and thats the main reason i started playing wow. I mean they did "rehash" hyjal as a raid and zone after wc3 and i liked it both times.
>Calls it Emerald Nightmare
>Colors it Red
*Blizz logic*
whats wrong?
Samuel L
Not to be the uber nerd, but you guys forgot the quest in Darkshore during Cataclysm, where you have to communicate with a green dragon and enter yet another green filtered phase, so that the dragon can assist Malfurion at the stationary tornado.
And of course, much talk of the Dream throughout Hyjal, with one mission being about smuggling out Fandral Staghelm through the dream, which is yet again another green filtered phase.
I believe there was more talk of it in a small questline in Feralas during Cataclysm as well, but no other green phasing.
Always nice to get these additional things mentioned in the comments. There's bound to be minor things that slip by, so thanks for being uber nerdy!
There's a quest chain in icecrown that starts with a dying Argent Crusade solider near Sindragosa's fall. Part of the quest chain takes you to a green-filtered phase in moonglade to collect acorns in attempt to save the solider from undeath.
I still would've liked ED to be the focus of an expansion. There is lots of material for Nightmare and as an extension, Old God lore/activity.
Azjol Nerub & the original Emerald Dream had so much potential, maybe as early Timeless Isle-esque zones. EVEN if catchup wasn't really part of the game until MOP really.
And Skywall had enough potential to be far bigger than Blackwing Decent since it's supposed to be one of the biggest of the Elemental Planes or the biggest
You can see how there are four zones in the Emerald Dream and four portals in Azeroth.. I guess each zone is a representation how Ashenvale, Feralas, Hinterlands and Duskwood would look like in the dream.. The missing gaps between the zones were propably supposed to be the rest of the world OR maybe it would be blocked off and Blizzard would come up with a "forest is too thick" as a excuse to not see the rest of the world.
To reply to my own comment. Maybe they first wanted to make the entire zone and then decided for four raids inside the Emerald Dream?
Not only that but in one area is a broken version of Thunderbluff. 9:16
Kevin De Bondt how do you get there though
It's in a raid you casual.
I love your voice man 😌 so soothing I can fall asleep to it
Very interesting. Evry time I see a video from you I get a better understanding of the lore. This is one of your greatest so far. I really love your voice. So gentle and articulate at the same time. You should have many many more subscribers.
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that! :)
i wish that you were still here to see the emerald dream now. it’s so beautiful, hayven. maybe that’s where you are, and we just haven’t found you yet.
I'm just really hoping that this Emerald Nightmare dungeon and raid isn't all we ever get to see of the Emerald Dream. I want to see the full extent of the uncorrupted Emerald Dream as it was intended. With development of the dream going off and on since its introduction in Vanilla, it would be such a waste to use it for this and this alone and never revisit it.
imagin how excited i was when this just popped up in my feed, thanks again for a great vid hayven !
Great video, I really enjoyed the narration and the history of the zone. Nice work! Very well produced!
I love how we actually get to see the dream, and they actually even use that old statue from the old dream.
this is so fucking cool. makes me want to make a druid only to be in the emerald dream
was so nice to come back and hear your voice again and to the ending music. bittersweet x :) hope ur resting well up there
"Master of Warcraft lore; Chris Metzen"
Ow my sides it hurts to laugh so much.
Isn't Falstad dead?
Funny how the man doesn't even know the lore of his own game
To be fair they did retcon a lot of shit throughout the years, you'd lose count on what's canon
EJ Red
Plus the game has a very long history. Probably enough to have a degree in as a historian.
I wouldn't be surprised if they used the emerald dream as a daily quest hub in a later patch in legion.
yeah like a battle in the eye of yesra after the events in legion (no spoliers)
Sorta like Molten Front.
Would be pretty meh. Im waiting more of an arena, to fight some beasts from the dream. Like for example the worgen cannot be the only ones sleeping in there
Would be pretty meh. Im waiting more of an arena, to fight some beasts from the dream. Like for example the worgen cannot be the only ones sleeping in there
Nice hearing your voice again Hayven Games.
Feel better! Rooting for you!
January 2022 - I just went there on a private bfa server, which is the closest available version yet, since shadowlands private servers don't exist yet.. I was freaking amazed at how humongous this place is, and how amazing it would be to be there... there is a new grass texture and it seems like the ground textures for the terrain have been completely scrapped, so in that version the alleyways and riverpaths are completely dark, but still look very proper.
My thoughts after going through the zone - the map is absolutely humongous and the terrain is very well developed. There are Gorges, Ravines, Lakes Caves and so much more. In map size i'd bet its around Kul'Tiras and Zul'dazar put together in size. Simply amazing, and very sad to watch this monument of Blizzard's greatness rot in oblivion.. Still an amazing sight to see.. Also one thing i saw after switching the different zones in the dream was, that one of the zones had a very bright skybox, and one of them was dark and voidy- not like the void at the void elf starter zone, more like a shadowform's mist. I haven't seen this skybox anywhere, and i played through the whole of bfa.
"You know what will get our subs back?"
"What?"
"Emerald Dream"
I love me some lore and WoW history haha. Great video, wish I found this a few months ago!
Kinda wish it would be a zone. Was the original zone replaced with the raid version?
Not really.They build it from scratch.
Nazmi Ahmad So the original Emerald dream will still be there in the game files?
Spikà No i think because the original emerald dream are from the old game files which are no longer present now.
I can't confirm on the actual legion client until it is released, but the original emerald dream files are still there as of the beta
another awesome video! I'm plowing through them all atm!
Those last words in the quote "It will be exceedingly challenging". Means that it will never be released by todays standards. So the emerald dream/nightmare will end up the exact way as the ashbringer. A weapon that has been a question mark all the way from 2004. Will be given to EVERYONE just like that. Now they also know that ppl have been asking for the emerald dream/nightmare since 2004 aswell. So Blizzard creates a raid in hope of that everyone who bothers to press "join que" can finish the raid and never talk about it again. "Poof" the mystique is gone. Well done once again.
Very good video. Still waiting to learn some lore listening to your great voice. You should be voice actor.
uh! gamescom 2015! i was there! :D
so.. err, amazing video, like always! love ya work bud
Nice video Hayven! I'm glad they finally did something specific related to The Emerald Dream although it's only some instances. But I'm still disappointed that they didn't make it a gigantic zone with multiple sub-zones.
You and me both
Only way they could do the dream justice even in a small way would be a whole expansion , and even then im not completely sure it would be enough :D im happy even with what little we have got so far.
I really wish Blizzard would go more into dept about cancelled or altered vanilla content and ideas. I hope they will someday. Like the remnance of the Necromancer class that have been ingame from Vanilla or the unfinished and cancelled Ashbringer questline that people tried to piece together.
I miss you Hayven. I remember when you first started your channel. My comments are probably still there. We won't forget you.
the 'you can make an expansion out of only green' annoyed me. when you can easily have 6 zones etc etc from it. forest, plains, mighty glaciers etc etc like saying you can't make a expansion pack from the natural world. always a pet peeve
Amazing video. Love it!
Did anyone else notice the statues from the original Vanilla beta were re-used in the Dreamway shots? Super cool!
This makes me more certain that WoW needn't be over 50 GB of size now. The game files need to be cleaned up.
Agreed. I run a private server, and I was able to clean out unused content from the patch files. it made the client SO FUCKING SMALL.
Yeah I bet. With all the maps and left overs you'd have 20GB client instead of 50. This is quite sloppy to be honest.
Check again, it currently sits at 52GBs. Of course the pre-patch is there too along with legion and it will get a slight bit smaller (maybe around 48) after it's live. But I bet it can be way smaller if Blizz was to clean it all up.
Thank you for this :) xx love your work
Looks like out of all the stuff from early development they did wind up using the statues for the emerald dream.
9:46 Where can one find that Illidan button up shirt!? Holy Jebus!
Thing is. This we're getting to experience is the Emerald Nightmare. But only part of the Emerald Dream, there's still so much more. Nearly to build a whole expansion on :)_
Wow is on the train of end since they release Emerald Nightmare it's only time till they start to release the entire thing.
I've been a fan for about a year now, and since Legion added new druid form models, I'd like to see how they evolved from Vanilla! :)
When he quoted "ENDGAME", Perhaps we will see this in the FINAL wow patch/expansion they ever make? < Resumes video>
They added the statue from the vanilla version of the dream! Thats so cool!
Looks like I'm rolling my druid resto!
Great video!! Love your content :)
The Nightmare also had a role in the revamped Feralas questing. Ysondre broke free and helps us kill Taerar who was corrupting the area. She then choose to live a life in self exile. The other 2 dragons of nightmare back in vanilla were killed in the novel Stormrage, as well as Eranikus (which also saw the 3rd defeat and 2nd death of Xavius at the hands of Malfurion). Also according to the dungeon journal and quests surrounding the temple of Atal'hakkar (Sunken temple) Hakkar the Soulflayer has some involvement with the Nightmare, however his involvement hasn't been explored outside of the temple itself. Which is a shame since he and Ysera have a history. (She sunk his temple!)
Shame that Ysondre gets corrupted again in legion without any info on how it happened. Gotta love fan service.
I hope the raid is MASSIVE, for the roleplayers. If they're not huge I feel like players will wish it to be whole new zones instead of the raids/dungeons. I'm also super excited to hear that druids can access the Dreamwake, good job art developers :D
ED is the only reason I keep tabs on WoW...all I want is the entire zone >.> *pew pew*
fuck, I'm excited for the emerald dream.
As Tychus FInley once said, "Hell, it's about time."
Excellent video!!
I love your videos man, keep em up.
On another note, you ever thought about doing a "Start to finish" lore video? I've seen that there are people that have done em but I'd rather listen to you explaining the lore and such rather then a finnish guy. You have a very soothing voice (no homo)
I haven't really done any lore videos ever, even though the idea interests me. It would be cool to do, but I would probably start on a smaller scale to get a hang of lore video-making before doing a complete coverage. One does not simply become nobbel over night ;)
The idea of a lore series would actually be kinda amazing. Then I dont have to spend a ton of time watching(which, i wouldn't mind, dont get me wrong ;p ) and you'd have shorter videos to make, so you can still do all your other ones!
Think about it, ask the other subscribers too what they think :) I sure as hell would love it!
Anyhow, keep the videos coming. I love them.
All the best, M.
The emerald dream was created by the older gods to make a alternate world of azeroth before it was touched by mankind. This is a huge point you shouldve mentioned, thats why moonglade "i think it was" looked exactly the same in the emerald dream
You mean Titans, the old gods are the ones trying to corrupt it. They would not create it just to corrupt it.
silverspear21 sorry got those two mixed up
seems like they wanted to add the emerald dream in vanilla, then realized they need to make expansions to make more money and the emerald dream certainly couldn't come before draenor or northrend
World of Warcraft might as well be called "Wasted potential" the game.
damn lol
The Emerald dream isn't really wasted potential lol. There are several layers to the ED, with the base layer being a load of empty lands, and the topmost layer being the most corrupted, and the one we're raiding in Legion. Everything else is just a load of the same stuff. The ED is basically a world with nothing living but plants, animals, druids and green dragons. There ain't much else to do or see. It's boring.
definitely seems to be a lot of smokes and mirrors, delivering the feeling without the actual experience.
Yeah no fucking shit it's boring
_it was unfinished_
It's an interesting concept that you can do shit with, but didn't. That's wasted potential.
the Emerald Dream is exactly what Writer Shard said, It's supposed to be nothing but plants, animals, druids and the accasional dragons. Even if it was finished It'd still be boring.
Great video as always :))
I think they want to make an Emerald Dream area, but its not that simple. What could possibly be there that wouldn't ultimately be... boring? You won't find a city or quest hub. You'd run around in wild nature. Maybe with some outposts but yeah. They've tried making areas like this before... No one likes them.
I just can't think of any way they'd be able to do it that would be both accurate to the lore and interesting to play in.
I wanted a Zone, rich of lore... One quest zone with the raid would be fine. But the dream has enough versatillity for an entire expansion.
What kind of person dislikes a video like that? I don't get it. Great work, thanks!
Maybe it will be a zone in the NEXT expansion? Since we're cleansing it now but that would mean the zone would be a purified dream and not the multitude of zones showing the gradual spread of the corruption which is a shame,
Nice video dude ;)
A few of the map sections looked like Arathi Highlands
It's funny. What they said about the Emerald Dream at Blizzcon doesn't seem to match up to what I've been reading in Warcraft Chronicle Vol. 1. According to that, the Dream has just sort of always been there, purpose and origin unknown.
Didn't the Chronicle state that it was created by Freya?
Ahh, damn, you're correct! I must have muddled that up with something I read prior to Chronicle. Lore swapping is tricky business.
I'm a bit dissappointed with the tinyfied scale of the Emerald Nightmare raid we got.I'm sure we only got it as a raid to shut people up who were asking for an Emerald Dream zone/raid since early Vanilla to this day.And now that the queen of the dream, Ysera is basically dead by our hands, we can kiss that "dream" goodbye.
Except for Druids to some extent because of the Dreamway and the Dreamgrove.But that's still just a miniscule drop compared to the "blueprint of azeroth" that should most likely be the size of the damn game.
Hopefully once we defeat the nightmare we can actually go into an uncorrupted Dream in some form (though i hope they dont just make it a Tanaan Jungle)
WE miss Y...
That's pretty much Blizzard, in a nut shell...
"We are definitely going to have the Emerald Dream, and it looks really cool!"
A short time later...
"We currently have no plans to do anything with the Emerald Dream."
love the voiced vids
RIP HAYVEN!!!!
We didn't get what we wanted with the emerald dream , and emerald nightmare...
2:23 looks like hillsbrad foothills. 4:04 looks like the entrance to STV from duskwood. The video of the guy talking, he says that we will go in and face xavius and end the corruptoin of the dream, if i remember correctly, one of the old gods was responsible for the nightmare not xavius, so are we going to fight another old god or do we not actually end the corruption. In cata i thought we already ended the corruption or the corruption was already over when cenarius helps us out during our questing in hyjal? Unless this is an alternate timeline etc.
We got the Emerald Nightmare...still waiting on the Emerald Dream though...
Nice job done Hayven ;) I just would ask you, how long it takes to collect all informations, and make them tohether into this long video?
It all depends on the subject. Often the actual information can be found through the many great articles online, and finding/matching the in-game footage is the real challenge. Take for instance the scrapped Azjol-Nerub zone, it took a lot of time to make that part.
I had way higher expectations for the Dream. What we get in legion is a portal room (which is very very cool) and a raid with a few bosses that take place on mostly "platforms". I though we would at least get a whole zone sized area or something like that. The Dream is supposed to be large, a place where you can get lost if you go too deep. I don't feel like being lost there. Way too small and simple. And not enough fog. Green fog, red fog, the two of them twisting, making it feel like the red is taking over the green, corrupting it.
have u ever read about emerald dream ?!??!?! it will be the end of game !!!
as wiki :on Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:01:05 PST
The Emerald Dream is shaping up to be extremely cool. We don't want to preview any of that content yet as it is *endgame* and we want some surprises for players. [...] The zone is massive and beautiful. And once the content team is done with it, it will be exceedingly challenging.
06 Sep 2006 08:19:20
As for the Emerald Dream, there are no plans for anything as of yet but it is a consideration for the future. The Emerald Dream opens up a lot of different opportunities and the Burning Crusade is definitely not going to be the last of the expansion packs. There are many different places and storylines that can be pursued. The story is going to keep growing and as it does so, people will get to experience it.
Endgame refers to the 'end' of an expansion where capped (max level) characters run raids, heroic dungeons, etc.
I can't help but sense that the emerald dreams feels a bit similar to lucid dreaming.. =)
I wish that we could still get into the Emerald Dream, even if we do get a raid. There's so much in that would explain places in WoW that don't have any explanation. The fae and Whispering Forest in Tirisfal, for example. Myself, along with a large number of the WoW fanbase all still believe that has something to do with the Emerald Dream/ Emerald Nightmare, and I want to know what's in it. *Sigh*
Whether there will be a video devoted to the last (release?) versions of the Emerald Nightmare? It would be very desirable to see him.
It is written by means of the translator as I know English badly. :P
I miss you bro. :(
can you go behind the spider boss to thunderbluff to see how much detail is in it?
OMG. come on Legion already!!!
Your videos are so much better when you talk, like I don't watch the others because they bore me without sound.
I totally respect that. I started making the narrated videos back in november, and initially intended to phase out the old style completely. But a lot of people still prefer that, and I personally found the How it Really Looks videos to be better with just music. So I decided to make the Evolution series narrated content and How it Really Looks non-narrated.
Im glad man, it's so much better and feels more engaging than staring at text on a screen :)
you have such a great Voice.... very confortable sound.... (mate, put your voice in each Video, instead of the subtitels), again thanks for all your efforts!
13 years of waiting and all we get is a 7 boss raid instead of a full expansion pack. What a waste.
They decided against a full expansion due to it being bland. It would be pretty much only green with a few darker parts due to the corruption. I personally agree with their reasoning and am happy with it being a raid.
I think you should continue to narrating your video with your voice, Personally I think It's more enjoyable since you have a nice voice to listen too!
Anybody who knows how emerald dream raid connected to Azeroth by four portals? Is it means I can pass the portal in duskwoods to emerald dream?
Beta 0.6 was leaked thanks to me ☺
What the statue in the emerald dream represent ?
Could you do a tour of suramar palace/night hold?
I have saved every alpha/beta iteration of Suramar to be able to do an evolution video of it eventually
Sweet :D
😂😹 "Manilla"
emerald dream
-> corrupted
emerald dream
-> corrupted
You can't hear one without the other. How is the emerald dream so utterly defenseless to corruption? Can't a small snippit of it just exist at peace?
I like that its a raid i Think it would be too much grass if they had to it a zone so yea a raid suits me Nice
were is that portal in wow at 4:45
Hinterlands I think, the map above arathi highlands. Cross the river from where you see a lot of those moonkins.
wow, voice!:D