How to Tile a Shower Wall...Vertical 12x24 Porcelain -- by Home Repair Tutor
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 28. 09. 2018
- Today's video shares tips on how to tile a shower wall, specifically the main shower wall in a Schluter KERDI shower. We'll deep dive into layout, industry guidelines, and what tools we use.
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Supplies used in this video:
48" x 72" Shluter shower kit -- amzn.to/2WHrnlb
Kerdi Trowel -- amzn.to/2t6VaGb
6" putty knife --amzn.to/2GpXD6w
Unmodified Thin-Set -- amzn.to/2BnJPWR
Sundstrom Silica Dust Respirator -- amzn.to/2MkIB30
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Step 1 is to determine the layout of the shower. Ensure there are no slivers of tile at the ceiling, floor, or walls.
Step 2 is to get all your supplies in the bathroom and protect the floor.
Step 3 is to align a laser level on the starting point and tile one column at a time.
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this video was packed with useful guidance. i appreciate the double aspect of demonstration and clarifying narration. thanks guys đđœ you've made my life much easier
Thank you, I thought I was doing something wrong with the mess I was creating putting my large format tiles on, on the floor, the tiles, just about everywhere including my forearms! A real rapid installation and none of this clinical studio stuff you see!!! Real world working! Thanks!
So helpful. I'm tiling my shower today and wasn't sure the best way to start and level the grout lines. I was trying to figure out how to level the first row along the bottom but going up and down makes a lot of sense too. Thank you!
Man cannot find the remaining videos...no easy way. Want to see the corner bench and the floor finished in this exact shower. Love the videos !!! Just need to find the rest of them! thank you !
Omg this was a perfect video for my project. I have the same tile and like the vertical installation idea. This video was the second I've seen that properly showed floor tile installation first then the wall one second! Thank you đ
The 1/3 running bond pattern with that LFT tile looks very cool in that shower.
Thank you, we like the final look. Chrome Schluter metal profile adds some pop to through niche, bench, and curb
Great tips about build up,back trowling,expansion joints,maximizing using full tiles,thank you
Thanks Mark, we appreciate you watching the video and bringing up the important concept
@@HomeRepairTutorhow close you push porcelain tiles together
thats so good . what a great worksmanship. well done.
Wow... Great video. You guys are awesome. Great content and very helpful for a beginner tiler. Great explanation. Thank you.
What beautiful work! I always wondered how vertical tiles would stick to a wall and not fall off. You butter back of tile (vertically) and use spacer clips to hold in place which also presses down the edge. There is also a wire mesh backing to the substrate surface, probably to create a better grip for thinset. Very interesting. Useful DIY tips and also useful if you use a contractor to check quality of work. Subscribed.
why don't you show the final product? I would like to see how it looks after all work is done.
Great video, thanks guys!
Spot on ....... this is so much help đ„ł
Great video guys I will start tiling my shower and this video gave me great idea how to tile my shower I'm going to use 1/2 inch trowel and large format mortar from home depot will that be ok?
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Great video! How do you attach the center part (divided part) of the niche? Thinset or glue??
WOW GREAT VIDEO! What size trowel was that? And could tell me why my trowel lines arenât that less then full height some times? I think my Mapei LFT thinset is too dry?
Great video!! What size clips are you using for this 12*24 tile?
Do you use spacers at the bottom? Great video btw.
Badass job
I will be using 6 x 24 (23 1/2) tile, but would like to do the half mark and not in 3rds, would that be ok? I like your videos, they help a lot. Thank you.
I heard sal use ardex 777 ,for glass,and said they honor shluter warranty, in regards to using modified on kerdi, generally supposed to use unmodified,sal says ardex controls drying time,in ardex 77 highly modified,I've seen video where they used a see thru glass tile,for demonstration,to show collapsing the ridges,so important in conjunction w directional troweling,have a great day guys
Great job guys!
Can I use the same pattern with 7âX20â pieces? Thanks!
Yes, offsetting by thirds will help with lippage. Back buttering is also good for that size
For the top if you didnât want a grout or calking joint could you use an expansion joint profile or would that not be good for the ceiling?
Can you attach a Kerdi Scluder corner bench to hardiboard with thin set? I realize it voids the Kerdi warranty but can it be done?
Thanks!
i just got these but will be doing it horizontally
What brand of leveling system did you use and how do you break off the tabs before you grout?
If understand you correctly: 1) you started by installing the midpoint of the tile overlapping the center of back wall -- to ensure the vertical tiles are symmetrical to the center of the back wall??? May end up trimming tiles on both (not one) sides. Obviously that won't be a problem if installing horizontal tiles.
2) the floor has to be perfectly leveled or the tiles at the top may not line perfectly?? Or better to start from top?
Pls clarify both. Thanks.
Can the kerdi shower pan have a step ladder placed on top to tile ceiling tiles?
Can you provide a link to the next video doing the corner step? I looked thru all the videos and can not find it. Great video btw. Keep up the hood work.
Other videos show running the thinset in the direction of the narrow side of the tile yet you chose to run it the opposite. Also, other videos show shifting the tiles 1/4-1/2" to collapse the thinset channels and you don't seem to do that. Is this just a style difference, or did the recommended procedure change in the 3 yrs since you filmed this?
How long did that take you to do the first wall? It seems like you laid all those in a day. Thats like 2 days for me using the Proleveling Tile Leveling System. I suck....but then again I dont set tile for a living.
Suggestions for ceiling drywall that isn't exactly level? Ours bows up in the middle.
Did you mix the thinset on the lower end of the water recommendation for these tiles? I found that when i mixed the all set for the edge band and membrane stuff (i used mostly kerdi board) and mixed it to the wetter side (7.5-8.5 quarts per 50 pound bag) it stayed that consistency for about an hour then noticeably started to dry after that. I haven't mixed an entire 50 pound bag yet because there was no way i could apply it and trowel it out fast enough to do all the water proofing in my shower. I do know you want the thinset drier for the tile, but I am worried when I mix it it will become too dry before i am able to use it all. The consistency at about an hour and a half was kind of like slightly wet sand I thought. Still held a notch on the trowel pretty well, and I am assuming that is what I want for putting these 12x24 tiles down. I bought rubi cyclone spacers to do mine and my shower is exactly the same size as this one in this video, and I am even running the same size tiles and same direction, just minus the shower bench and I have a window on my back wall that I am going to trim with the schluter pieces like a niche, and then a niche on the opposite of plumbing wall.
I noticed that you preparing a lot.. big batch of thinset for the time it takes to install the tiles. Are you not afraid that the thinset in the bucket will harder and you will have to dump it? Do you have a trick so the thinset in the bucket last longer without hardering?
Hi is there a problem with putting 1/16 grout lines on 12x24 porcelain and what grout do you recommend for a shower with 12x24 vertical tiles
Good morning! Love all your videos. We are actually looking to lay porcelain tiles (12 x 24) and flat pebbles on our shower floor! What type of mortar are you using for this? Modified or unmodified? Thank you for the tip on the white mortar as the tile place gave us grey
Large floor tile mortar works
If you use silicone at the ceiling, make sure its paintable silicone. Or use a grout type caulk . Or just grout.
do you grout the bottom tile onto the floor or leave a small gap and silicone it?
Do you install the bench on the top of the schluter tray or do you cut it out?
Hi and I use mapei modified thin set LFT I mix the whole 50 lbs bag and I don't have much time to to complete the job by myself , the thin set thicking . Do you have any problem with these thin set
What size should I make my corner bench seat?
How do you protect the ceiling in a shower room ? Please.
What brand/size clips and plier clip are you using?@home repair tutor
Do I need modified or unmodified mortar? Please help my tiles are 12x24 porcelain tile
My local retailers don't sell T-lock, they sell similar products that seem to snap easily. Is there a supplier that you can recommend?
Hello can I use full contact motar to install my 12x24 porcelain shower wall tiles?
Your Tiles installing it's very good , I have one question Tiles have same measurements but have two different thickness can we install them both, look we have different color after installation
Are they two different kinds of tile?
You have to account for the difference in thickness so the faces of the tile sit flush with each other after setting or it will look very unprofessional. There are ways to build up with thinset or a combination of products to bring the thinner tile up. It is time consuming.
Hi there, I'm redoing my shower and it's waterproofed and I installed the marble on the Schluter triangular corner bench. Since it overhangs by about an inch it makes for a difficult cut. I feel like I saw a video on this channel where the guy in this video created a notch in the marble and slid the tile behind the notch to avoid sort of a "U" shape cut, and instead is just an "L" shape. Would you be able to direct me to that video?
Can you tell me about the hybrid notch trowel what's it supposed to do better,I'm using 1x2 lft, porcelain
Itâs to help get better thin-set mortar coverage on the tile and wall. Trowel size depends on the size, shape, and thickness of tile. 12x24 are large format, so we recommend back buttering or back troweling and directional troweling both the wall and tile to get 95 to 100% mortar coverage between the tile and wall. This along with a good mortar, like Ardex X77, will ensure a good bond
Do y'all have any videos installing 12 x 24 tile on the shower floor? I enjoy your videos and you helped me a lot with my first shower now I'm starting my second shower remodel in my master bath and I'm going curbless and the wife want me to use black granite 12 x 24 tiles for the shower floor
not yet but soon, youâll want to create relief cuts on the tile - send me an email and Iâll help jeff@homerepairtutor.com đđŒđđŒđđŒ
@@HomeRepairTutor thank you I'll send it now
Great job and great video. Thank you for sharing. When you're back buttering in addition to spreading thinset on the wall do you use a smaller notch trowel than if you were only applying thinset to one surface?
Thank you, trowel size depends on the tile shape, size, and weight, e.g. 3" x 6" subway tile need 1/4" x 1/4" square notch trowel. So back buttering is mostly to get the 95% thin-set mortar coverage more than anything.
Should we put the floor tile first or wall tile first?
What is on the wall to hold the tile?
Can you put 12x24 porcelain tile on a shower wall with greenboard?
What kind of thin set to use for these big tiles
Great video ....may I ask the t lock system ? And which size did you use for this project ? And where can I get one of those?
we used 1/16â Clios which are on Amazon or Contractors Direct
@@HomeRepairTutor thanks also do you have a video to tile the curve? i live the 1/3 offsetting, so start with full center piece, then to the left cut 1/3 of full piece then 1/3 of the second piece , right? then what do you do to the right side of the full piece? same pattern as like the left side?
11:26 oof you got me, thought youre trying to seal your ear
Hello, you do beautiful work. Question, can the vertical tile be placed alone the full bottom then upward.
Great video!! I wish you could tile my shower...awesome work!!đ
Thank you, made our day đ
Thanks guys, great video & content. Question: I see quartz slabs being installed using 100% silicone inplace of thinset mortar. Would it not be possible to silicone attach the porcelain tiles as well?
If you tried that, dying to know how it went.
@@nickad We got quartz shower walls installed. Those slabs are 1 piece 5ftx6ft and 2 pieces 5ftx3ft -- huge panels. The installer used 100% silicone, but as blobs that are 9 inches apart. The same method should work for tiles as well. However, with tiles, each one being smaller and you need many of them to cover a shower wall, you will need to think about the spacings. What would you do for the spacing and how water proof would that be? Thats probably why people dont silicone tiles? May be you can bead the silicone as if its back buttering with thinset, you may still end up with uneven tile depths from the wall. Good luck with your pursuit.
What size spacers are you using?
What is the notch depth on the trowel?
Great info, Thank you. Where can I purchase the T Lock clips & those pliers?
go to Perfect Level Master's site or Amazon
My plan is to lay 4x12 glass subway tiles vertically on the back of the entire niche. My question is: Can I butt the tiles next to each other as long as I leave a 1/8 gap at the perimeter and silicone?
gray thinset with very light tile?
Are you using large format tile mortar or regular mortar?
We used Schluter ALL-SET but also like Ardex X77 with large format tiles
What do you use to seal the joint between first tile and shower pan tile. Grout or silicone ?
I second this question
Hi. Iâm about to tile my 4x6 shower. I have a Schluter pre sloped pan that I put the Kerdi over. I used the Latricete waterproofing material that you paint on over the Durock
Would it hurt the Kerdi if I put a coat on it before I tile over it? I got two free 5 gallon buckets. It is greyish green liquid. I put three coats on the wall and shower bench. I figured I have plenty why not throw a coat on the floor. So what do you think? Thanks for the great information in the video
Itâs hard to say, weâve never done that. If the Kerdi was installed per Schluter and is bonded well then you should be okay. Good job with waterproofing DuRock. Some people skip that step. What kind of tile are you using on the walls and pan?
Iâm using 10x30 wall tiles and small 2 â hexagon mats on the floor. I got two five gallons of Hydro Ban for free from a friend
I was just thinking I have it why not put a coat on just to be extra waterproof if there is such a thing
Kerdi is good for the pan. Those wall tile need a good thin-set. Have you chosen one?
How in the world do I get an exact 1/3 with a 12x24 tile the measurements are 11â 7/8 ???? Please advise!!!!
Thanks
They always teach me notch the thinset
on short side of the tile air can escape you doing opposite way
What's the reason for using the euro notch trowel
Why do you just press on the tile instead of moving the tile sids to side?
For the seams everyone says to use unmodified thin set, do you have to also use unmodified when installing these tiles to the kerdi board?
Technically yes per Schluter but you can use their ALL-SET to set tiles, abs thatâs a modified thin-set. Ardex always warrantees using their modified thin-set when setting tiles over KERDI
My understanding is that unmodified thin-set is supposed to be used in all bathroom situations?
Is there an arrow on the back of the tile indicating direction tile is to be laid?
Most tiles do have an arrow or some type of indicator
This is 3 years old.. hope by no you are trialing the thinset in the right direction now.. direction needs to the smallest width of the tile makes it easier to get air out...
are the spacers providing 1/8 or 1/16 gaps?
He says they are 1/16th here: czcams.com/video/PXlbNn_WpQ0/video.html
Whatâs a euro notch trowel?
what's your protocol when dealing with laser levels?
normally we use the Laser Jamb to hold it then use both the horizontal and vertical lasers on ever row to ensure they remain level
What size is the grout line? Thanks
1/16â with the T-Lock Clip
you guys did the pebble floor first?
yes
Can you set these in a horizontal brick pattern, even though my tile has an up arrow on the short side ?
How come no one or these guys have answer this question?? I also want to know.
@@felixamador6465 Yes you can, The arrow is there so all tiles face the same direction, wether up down left or right the arrows on all tile must point the same way. (asthetic purposes only)
Good vid. At 8:54, was the shower corner curved, making shaving the corner necessary? Was it not square? What if you don't want to stagger the vertical tiles? Can they be installed like a game grid? What about tiling the ceiling? Link for laser, please. Have yet to look at the course and written content. Thank you.
It was curved just a little, due to Kerdi-Band but nothing drastic. You can install tile any way but the walls should be as flat and plumb as possible. Tile ceiling is optional but use Ardex X77 thin-set, itâs the best for ceilings. Lately weâve been using a DeWALT laser but also like Bosch
Almost forgot, hereâs an Amazon link to our tools -- amzn.to/2OlirR3
I was wondering about this too since the TCNA says to offset by thirds. The vertical stacked is getting popular so how do you keep the tiles from cupping?
How much water did you mix with that 50 lbs bag?
What size grout line?
hello great work guys! I have a question, i am going to be tiling 10x27" on my tub surround using versa bond lft . can I continue to tile up as guys do or would I need to wait a bit on my first row to cure before tiling up .
If Versabond works properly you should be able to set one tile after another.
Thank you!
What size trowel notches did you use?
1/2
What brand t-lock system do guys commonly use?
Perfect Level Master, what size tile are you setting?
@@HomeRepairTutor Same as the video - 24x24 vertical for shower walls
@@srnewnam big tiles, well worth the investment in T-Lock. You shower or a customer's?
One question: why didnât you guys use white All-Set? Might there be a risk of that light tile darkening over time with the dark thinset?
NativeNYerChicHK great question, we used porcelain and itâs water absorption is 0.5%, so itâs not sensitive to the gray thin-set mortar like say a marble species
Home Repair Tutor Thanks! Doing my own bathroom, shower build just completed and Iâm about to use very similar tile, using the white All-Set just in case. Iâm a an overly cautious over-preparer LOL And because of this particular series of yours, Iâm going vertical with my large tile. I really like the look! So thank you!
@@NativeNYerChicHK awesome, if you have any questions just send me an email, it's a bit easier to communicate that way than in the comments. We highly recommend using a laser level and back troweling the tiles to help in setting over thin-set buildup in the corners. Directional trowel in the direction of the short side, we didn't do that in our video but recommend it. That way air will escape easier through the trowel ridges. Also make sure to trowel thin-set on the back of the tile such that it matches the direction on the wall. And you might want to look into T-Lock if your tiles are 12x24, it helps keep all the tiles flush with each other. Here's my email jeff@homerepairtutor.com
Home Repair Tutor Thanks so much! Got my leveling system and my dual line laser level at the ready! Thanks for the tip about the directional troweling towards the short side, but that makes absolute sense since any trapped air will have a shorter route to escape! If I have question I will definitely shoot you guys an email.
@@NativeNYerChicHK sounds good, very excited to see your progress
If I'm using the shluter system. Wall board and pan system witch do I install first.
Are you using Kerdi over drywall or Kerdi-Board?
@@HomeRepairTutor kerdi 1/2
@@jeffbeam7152 we install drywall then dry fit the pan then apply the Kerdi to the drywall. The final step is to install the pan and flash it with Kerdi-Band to the Kerdi walls. Here's the first video we made showing that process czcams.com/video/ddDKHJbDYiY/video.html
@@HomeRepairTutor I can't just use curdy board as my wall panel for my tile.
@@HomeRepairTutor kerdi board 1/2 inch
Where is he video for installing the carpet?
well done, im just wondering why you didn't waterproof the walls?
Very informative and well done. Do use a rubber mallet to pound those big tiles and avoid nerve damage to your hands.
Is it required to do a 1/3 spacing of tile? Or can I just run them straight side by side?
The 1/3 pattern has to do with the natural bow in a long tile. If you run a 50% bond chances are very good the crown in the middle of the tile will cause lippage (the edges of adjoining tile to be uneven). Most tile makers have a maximum offset listed for their product. You can run them with no bond (no offset) in a modern pattern since all the crowns (humps) will be lined up. Some tile are much worse than others.
would you use a lash or clip system with 4"x12" tiles for a vertical no offset pattern?
Always tile your bench and curb over your shower floor tile... Then walls over your bench, curb, and shower floor tile...
What about ceiling of the washroom ? Is not going to be secured with the orange protective sheet
itâs not necessary for 8 or 9 foot ceilings unless youâre very tall and concerned about water splashing.
@@HomeRepairTutor
So is it okay to leave the cieling with the simple sheet rock without having it plastered by kerdi cement on it ?
@@HomeRepairTutor Thank you so much, it is an eight footer ceiling and I intend to tile up my shower walls from bottom to top just the ceiling will be left with the dry wall and and a bathroom ceiling paint. Would that be okay ?
@@shehzadkamal should be okay as long as the bathroom is ventilated. Do you have a strong bathroom fan vented to the exterior?
@@HomeRepairTutor
I will have a 150 CFM exhaust fan
Why didnât you use a level when tiling up the wall ? I donât see a level ANYWHERE how do you know if your falling in or out ?
We use laser levels, it may not be evident in the video but we wouldnât set tile without a laser level
Yes I see the laser line on the side of tile so your grout line is level going up but how are you leveling the face of tile do you use laser level there to ?
Josh is asking how do you know the tile face is plumb?
You can use a standard 2 or 4 foot level on the face of the tile. We also used the T-Lock leveling system with this tile and that helps tremendously with keeping the tiles flat and even with each other
Thanks for clarifying
Is it more aesthetically pleasing to use large format tiles in small bathrooms? I am redoing a 7' x 4.5' bathroom. The shower area will be 34" from front to back including 4" curb. Was planning on using a 3"x6" beveled white subway tile for the walls and a 6"x6" tile for the floor, now I sm not sure. Fyi, I have zero design skills.
smaller tiles would be best for the shower floor so they can maintain the slope, eg pebble stones or 2âx2â mosaics. Subway tiles will look great on the walls. Weâd tile the floors first then shower walls and maintenance expansion gaps at any change of plane
@@HomeRepairTutor One more more question, I was planning on using the same tile on the floor outside the shower stall as I used inside the shower stall but now not so sure if that would look good. What would you do? Use the same tile and make it a continuous run from shower to main floor or use a different tile outside the shower?
How do you keep the thinset from drying out during cutting and installation?
mixing thin-set per the directions helps with pot life, Schluter's ALL-SET has gotten a lot better in this respect. Ardex X77 has the best pot life and working time in our experience.