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I bought a 2008 Aprilia Mana with 1900km on it for $3800CDN for my wife to learn to ride. I have two other bikes VStrom 650 and a Triumph Trophy, the Aprilia is an absolute blast to ride around town great build quality. I love being sat at lights when the cruiser guys show up and rev their engines and the light goes green and I leave them in the dust. This bike is a blast to ride around the city.
Colin Goldthorpe that's awesome
Did you get the GT version or the non-GT version? How did your wife do on it? I learned how to ride on a grom but I don’t want to mess with shifting either and I’m looking at a mana 850 (non-gt) as well. The only thing that worries me about this bike is will I be able to flat foot it and it’s weight. Those are the two things that are gonna do me in.
whats wrong with just cruising? i just like sitting and enjoying the ride, thats why i would get an automatic bike
clutches and manual gear changes are for suckers..... After years of driving trucks with 18 speed road ranger transmissions in city traffic all my vehicles are automatic. The main reason why I like scooters.... And of course the storage options, ease of use and ability to smash through traffic...
Herbert von Sauerkraut unterhose right to the point ....
To date, I've owned 14 motorcycles (motocross, adventure, and street) and 5 scooters with nearly 600000 miles on the roads. Currently, I own a Honda NC700X DCT. So for those of you that think this DCT model is for people that don't or can't "man up" I have news for you; You have FULL control of shifting if you want. The DCT shifts so fast, you don't need to take your hand off the throttle. in Drive mode, I will never get tired in heavy traffic. I personally don't care that it's a 50hp bike, I've had the 150hp ones and HP and 0-60 are not the only equations of fun. Being able to use the full spectrum of an engines power is more challenging, which is why I also enjoy scooters. I've had everything from Yamaha YZ-80, RD400, Seca750, FJR 1300, Kawasaki KZ550, GPZ's, Suzuki Vstrom 650 Honda Interceptor, Hurricane 1000, Sabre 750, and many more, but the NC700X is one of the best bikes I've owned. I won't win any drag races, and I can't wheelie, but it's fun and nimble and the freakin thing gets a constant 65mpg so range is killer.
The BMW scooter is a nice scooter, but personally, I don't care for scooters over about 450 lbs., and that little thing is about 50lbs more than the 500lbs Honda.
you will enjoy the New Africa twin adventure DCT more than the tame NC700X. it's a 100 HP it does everything the NC can better plus it goes offroad and it's a Legend the NC is isn't and will never be.
I'm not disabled and my 2nd bike is an XDiavel S....yes, my second because I love my 700N DCT! I love not having to think about shifting and just being able to enjoy the ride.
IMO, I'd buy a DCT on a lighter/smaller bike for city/town traffic.
If honda ever put out a DCT CRF300/450 or cbr300.. maybe something a little bigger but with weight in mind. That new hornet with a DCT would be cool but it's over 400 lbs..
Two wheels, regardless of whether it's a scooter or not is a motorcycle.. I ride big scooters and and do not want a clutch. All my cars are auto too. I dive trucks for a living and want it as easy as possible when not at work. Plus, I can out hammer the traffic on my scoot better than a big geared bike.
I like the "no-clutch" bikes because it makes it so easy to wave. It frees up my left hand so I can wave much more.
I own and owned several different bikes, from supersport to touring to naked to enduro. On every bike i rode, i often found myself in the wrong gear, or not nowing in what gear i was. I'm not the only one apparently, because every new bike today is sold with a gear indicator. Bikes without a gear indicator get shamed for not having one these days. Not to mention the numerous of aftermarket installed gear indicators. But when you refer to an automatic motorcycle, you always get the same response "shifting gears is half the fun" or "no shifting? Why would you want that?" Or "if you don't shift, your not a reall biker (of even a real man....). Well i test ride a Aprilia mana, liked the looks and went for a ride. Man was i sold.... the seating is comfortable, the riding position is upright, and the scooter like automatic, what a dream! Ideal in the real word, in and around town and for commuting. They compare it in this video with dct from Honda, a complete different setup. The dct really shifts, so during the shift you have no traction (tension on de chain) i want that when i'm in a corner, especially when it's wet. The Honda shifts in the middle of the corner, when you throttle up (too keep tension on your chain) very scary and dangerous when that happens. I've got my mind set on a Mana. I have my Tuono 1000 R, on sale and i'm buying a Mana. I'm 38 now, riding for almost 20 years now. Bikes used to shift with a leaver on the side of a tank (like a car), then they moved it to clutch by hand and shifting by foot, i believe automatic is the next logical step in evolution (why is Honda's DCT available on every bike the make, and the make it better every year, they do that with a reason). It's like cars, they used to be all manuel shifting, then they become automatic, now they are duall clutch. Why? It's more economical, more relaxed and you can focus more on the road. I rest my case.
@Ron Hard Just bought myself a mana. can’t wait to start riding!
Matt Payne I’ve bought mine about 2 days after this post. And I ride it almost everyday, it’s so easy to use in city traffic. I wish you many safe miles, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
@Ron Hard That’s awesome to hear! Thank you, you as well.
I've owned my NC700XD for about a year and a half/12,000+ miles. Love it. Owned a Suzuki V-Strom 650 prior. I do not miss not having a clutch. Regarding the comment in the video about wondering if you'd want a bike with a clutch in a year, all I can say is, why? The dual clutch gives me quicker shifts in manual mode, the ability to control the gear selection as I would with a clutch, and it's more comfortable in city and highway traffic.
Mark Langton I agree, I've had my ctx700dct for two years now.
Not a surprise. The Mana is quite old now and should get a refresh. I like the looks of it a bit better than the other two, however.
I'm a proud owner of the NC700X.
Pete The Hammer me too Pete! I've owned mine for 5 months now
I own a CTX 700 DCT. I agree. The sport/drive/shift yourself option is a real winner. I'm 60 and this will be my last bike. I might not have chosen this DCT 30 years ago but it's right for me now. Happy trails y'all.
Recently purchased a CTX700N DCT cause I am short, and I love it for the ease of driving through downtown without a single worries
Manual is not intimidating. Some people just don't wanna do it. Like when driving a car. Simple as that. I wish there were more automatic bikes of all types.
+Filip lahoda Yeah, same. I was originally gonna get a CB500F is my first bike, but after a decent bit of practice with the clutch I would rather get the NC700X. I can use the clutch just fine, but it's very distracting. I think I would honestly be better off texting while driving than using a clutch.
only weak people cannot handle a clutch
weak
no. clutch is wasting energies and times. I still dont understand why human invented clutch in the first place.
I haven't had much riding on a motorcycle but I often do touch and go traffic which might be a pain when shifting (up, down, up, down up down...). And there is the also the question of why use a clutch? One of the best things about scooters is how easy they are to ride. Unless you are racing, having a clutch doesn't add much but more difficulty. You might as well wear a sandbag to make turning more difficult while you're at it.
Screw the clutch! Driving a manual clutch in rush hour stop and go traffic gets old fast and is not my idea of fun.
Who in their right mind sits in traffic on a bike? Just go between the cars.
+BassOutcast People that have to commute by the police department, the courthouse and the fleet fueling station.
And live in a US state that isn't California.
In some states it is illegal to lane shift.
Oh man, you guys have it rough, can't imagine having to sit in traffic on my air-cooled twin in the summer.
Then again, bikes over here cost about 4 times more than what they do in the U.S, so there's that...
Lane splitting is only legal in California, in all other states its against the law. Either way you still have stop at stoplights and signs, which requires shifting.
I still think people are missing the boat when talking about these new DCTs. It's not just about making it easier for "beginners and returning riders." Every time I hear that I cringe because it gives it a negative, "training-wheels" kind of feel. It's not a baby bike, or maxi-scooter. It's truly about creating a better riding experience. Better comfort and control in traffic and better performance because of faster smoother shifts. Most race cars and high-performance cars are moving to DCT because it's faster, not because it's easier. I'd like to see someone do an actually side-by-side 0-60 with the same bike with DCT and Manual transmissions.
Man, I could add so much to your comment. I feel like I should do a youtube video on this topic. Anyway, you are spot on.
I am in my early sixties, riding 'shifties' for a very long years. But i found that this automatic shafters give me more joy in riding. My experiences only limit to nc750 and ctx700. Both in dct. Not a problem for my cross country travels. The longer distance, the more joy. I hardly go beyond 140kms/hr. If HD is going to come out in electric then why not auto shifters first ? Good vid. Thanks.
I agree. it’s too bad. they came out with the livewire which was a flop. $30,000 for an electric bike is crazy especially one zero motorcycles best bike cost $20,000 new and zero has been making electric bikes longer than Harley has and they know what they’re doing. I don’t know why harley can’t come out with an auto shifter especially for beginner riders. why not come out with an automatic sportster or a automatic xg 500? That’s what I would do if I was harley.
People that like autos seem like actual riders who use their machines or have ridden many bikes and can appreciate autos for what they and are not noobs like the tough talking "manual or die" people think. How can you not like riding anything on two wheels? You'll have a big grin on your face no matter what kind of bike you ride. To rip on something that has two wheels is amazing to me. I'd rock a pink barbi electric, automatic moped if it was that or nothing and I'd thrash the heck out of it. Both have their uses and an auto is flat out better in congested city, rush hour relaxed riding and grocery getting. I'm sure you can wick it up if you want on back roads. I'll take both.
My wife has an older Suzuki GS450a (2spd auto) and it can be a really fun ride. Sure, it's no wheelie bike, nor is it great for interstate travel or touring. But that's why there's a Bandit 1200, Roadglide, BMW R12C and a GS1400.
I'm with you. Anything that gets you "in the wind" is a fun ride. Heck, I even tested a CanAm and was kind of impressed. Might look at Polaris Slingshot next. :)
I own the honda nc750x dct and is such a blast, have a excellent mile range its comfortable and a little bit sportier... Such a nice bike
Just got the Honda DCT. Amazing both for everyday use in traffic and for long trips with luggage
Im loving the dct 6 speed on the honda. Very well done amd keeps rpms down and longer engine life and better fuel economy
I ride a burgman 650 mainly, so I'm very used to a big scooter. But I love a traditional motorcycle. If they made the "paddles" a foot shifter I'd be in love.
they had to mention for disabled people or bikers who had a leg accident before but still love for riding & there is stilll options for them to ride.its not exactly about laziness dont be sellfish people
riphoff exactly,im considering it because im a dble belowknee amp,i ride a v max,and ride my fathers trike.this would be more like the 300lb scooter i rode to build leg muscles.
I have two bikes and one is a Burgman 650 and I do NOT miss shifting at all when I ride it. The old fashioned geared transmission will hopefully be an option before long!
All high performance cars are moving away from manual transmissions in favor of the DCT . Why not motorcycles.
I'm on my 5th manual transmission car, but my first bike is a NC with DCT. Perfectly capable of working a hand operated clutch, and perfectly happy to not have to. Got a steal of a deal on a barely used model from a buddy, and could prob get out and cruise on my NC for 10 years with nothing more than basic maintenance. Wish it had more HP, but at 40 yrs old and just getting into riding, I'm not trying to get scraped off the highway.
I started on a 178cc chinese scoot and I enjoyed it as long as it was running (lol), allowed me to get acclimated to riding on the streets without having to worry about shifting. However, once you learn how to shift on a motorcycle you won't want to go back to an automatic.
How much did you pay for that chinese scooter? (if you remember)
Meh, isn't that what a parking lot is for? I mean that's how I (and I'm sure many other's) learnt how to ride a motorcycle. I didn't take it on public roads where their were hazards involved until I felt ready. I do agree, once you learn clutch you never want to ride or drive an automatic again.
Xavier Lampkin $1200 Xingyue 200 scoot.
70% of the time on the hiway on a supersport you do not even touch the clutch, you kick it up and kick it down clutch-less. So I guess it is like having those paddles.
African Holocaust Ha? Up shifting I understand but you're kicking it into gear when you down shift without a clutch. Do a few good hard shifts and bye bye tranny.
Cool vid! I've watched this a few times before purchasing a 15/CTX 700 DCT. The paddle shifters IS in my opinion is a very nice feature when yearning for a clutch. Downshifting while in sport mode without worry if so cool. It feels so damn safe and reliable....but that's Honda for you. I'm thinking the Goldwings will see some version of DCT in the future.
People still worry. What their peers think Shit were adults i ride w t f i want to ride.
Well said.
Right
I like manual cars and automatic bikes for the same reason: attentional allocation. It's so easy to space out in a cage, that working the gearbox keeps me alert and engaged. Maybe this is part of why manual cars are generally cheaper to insure. You have to pay a minimal amount of attention to drive one. In an automatic, you can just daydream from A to B
On a motorcycle, the demands on your attention are so high, that eliminating the clutch leaves more bandwidth for paying attention to traffic hazards and road surfaces. Maybe this is also why scooters are generally cheaper to insure than same displacement motorcycles.
I own two Vespa's a 2008 GTS250 and a 2009 LX150 and have been thinking of purchasing a motorcycle. I like this idea of having an automatic cycle. Out of watching this video of these three automatics. I feel for what I am looking for i n an automatic motorcycle the Honda serves my needs. A very well put together video...
Good review. Never mentioned the performance, which was surprising. For anyone wondering Honda has 47hp, BMW 60hp and Aprilia over 70hp.
Overall, the Aprilia is the best machine of the three BY FAR. I don’t know what these reviewers are smoking...
The Mana does claim 70+ hp but the published dyno curve shows low 50's to the rear wheel. In exchange for a few less rear wheel hp the Honda easily keeps up and gives approximately 50% better fuel efficiency. The Mana also requires expensive CVT belt replacements around 9 or 10K miles whereas the Honda will not.
Good video!
I think you should have included the Honda CTX700 DCT instead of the BMW Scooter.
why zat??
Jack N. Jill cause its more like a motorcycle. Like the other two in the video. Ass hat.
Excellent reviews
I own an Aprilia Mana for around 7 years not. In my 42 years of riding I have had a few bikes and by far the Mana has been my preferred one. There is zero vibration on the bike. Comparing the Aprilia with the Honda shows stupidity on their behalf, it is like comparing a beautiful horse with a donkey.
No vibration on my Mana either. It's a little rocket.
nice review fellas!
I think it's interesting. Sportbikes already have no lift shift and race bikes have seamless transmissions. So I think DCTs can be a plus. Personally I am still waiting for bikes with 7 speed gearboxes.
That said banging out a bunch of upshifts or getting a downshift just right is pretty damn satisfying for me. I think making motorcycling more accessible is fine just as long as it doesn't come at the expense of anything else.
thanks for useful review.
Mana 850 ha lo stesso motore di srv850 ..con in più la possibilità di cambiare manualmente e la ciclistica da moto! Né Honda né bmw hanno le stesse prestazioni! Great job Aprilia!!!
All great bikes. 👍
these are great for long distance everyday riding. good video!
Honda for the win! Check out the new 2019 DCT models ....beautiful!
I do like that honda!
It's a pity the USA doesn't get the new 750 versions of the Honda. I've gone from a 700 DCT to a 750S DCT and the 750 is without a better machine. The DCT gearbox also preforms better.
At first I wondered why this was called the "No Shift" Shootout and not "Scooter" -- the Honda is a CVT motorcycle. I'd drive a scooter for the storage, seating comfort, and wind protection, clutch or no clutch.
All you people are all missing the boat ! the CVT is superior to anything on the open US market for speed,power,fuel economy!! the track don't lie, the top sleds with CVT's are doing 7 sec 1/4 mile times and even 5 sec 1/8 mile @ 149mph! When I was a 12 yr kid my Dad got me a mini bike with a CVT on it , they called them torque converter's back than, it only had a 4hp lawnmower engine and went 52MPH and went up steep hills better than anything like a trail 90.. DO YOUR HOMEWORK
The more options in bikes, the better! Never forget riders with different physical abilities. CVT/DCT open up riding to a whole new group of riders that may have limitations. It’s a shame that Honda gave up on the NC700.
I like the looks of the Aprilia.
This is a fantastic bike, I love mine. If you want a bike, get this one and start enjoying what you've been missing. You'll never regret the purchase.
Yeeaaa!! another decent video!
No shift shoot out, sometimes it's due to some kind of previous accident in life.
Due to illness, and circulation issues that they have to ride a bike without a clutch.
Due to exercise, I am feeling left top of foot again and am looking for a bike to ride from West Coast to East Coast, lotions help too.
Sport bike, Honda is what I have now and will flat out move with the GL1500 Goldwings of my friends.
Sport Bike... CTX700DX
I have automatic scooters and a few motorcycles. Yes the shifting is preferred but for "ease of use" and short distance in town errand running which I find enjoyable by two wheels the automatic is better and easier. I just moved to a congested area to so sometimes shifting with all the freakin stoplights is a pain in the ass. Rush hour stop n go sucks for commuting too. Of course manuals have the fanboys but these don't have to be your only bike and if you had one to compliment your regular bike you might even grab the keys more for the auto for most of your riding if it's not purely for recreation.
Been looking at the Africa twin.1000l. Dct. Looks like a great everyday bike
Been riding 30 +yrs. Just got an Africa Twin AS with DCT. Incredible! Love it. DCT is amazing. Yeah, give me a clutch on small dirtbikes and such but otherwise I'll take DCT. I now also have a Honda Silverwing scooter. This coming also from an X truck driver with 18 speeds. I no longer have anything to prove.
Does the honda auto rev match? That would be badass
Just can't believe these guys don't recognize that a scooter is a type of a motorcycle! What else could it be!?!? It just has a different transmission and all the sudden it's something else that they can't recognize.
I don't ride a Honda, but you can't beat their reliability. Bulletproof.
And once you get your feet wet and learn the fundamentals of being back on a bike again, about jumping up to the new 1833cc In-line 6 Honda HoldWing Tour or Bagger? No more is the automatic for the entry level rider. These models are Honda’s flagship motorcycles.
Great review, my big question is when will the dct transmission com to Canada in a bike, that doesn't cost 12000.00+ ? ?!@!,!
While I still can use the heel and toe shifter on my VTX1800. I sold my GSXR1000 (sad) for a Suzuki Bergman because shifting it was just too difficult. My left leg was amputated below the knee. There can be a very legitimate reason that people might need an automatic on a bike.The Bergman is fun in its own way. its the best around town daily grocery getter.
Fun in their own way is right! I love the agility of a scooter combined with power of a street bike. I sometimes don't realize how fast I'm going until I look to my right or left to find myself up some car's ass lol.
I love my burgman 650 and wise I could keep it but...this mana has the power I want. Still I leave my friends on the 650 but wait til I get the mana. I like the honda better but it has the same power as the 650 which would make my trade pointless
You'd pick the mana over the honda?
rsrebel I think the honda would still be more powerful even on the low end. It's a lighter bike too right? I really don't know but I think the displacement is different from the b650. The above video even makes note of the fact that despite the mana being more powerful, it has some issues. What are your thoughts on their opinion?
They never do these comparisons in the rain.
I like changing gear and blipping down through the gears for me this is part of the riding experience but I test rode a Nc750DCT Honda and it’s a great bike ,i don’t see why bikers out there make such a big deal out of gear shifting ,it’s not exactly hard and can be learnt by anyone,these bikes are built for commuting and touring and still have paddle shift so the only thing your not doing is pulling in a clutch and pushing up and down with the gear shifter ,takes the strain off of your clutch hand ,bikings bout the freedom of being on two wheels and these bikes would be great for people who may have had injuries in the past or may have arthritis so stop being a biker snob and go and give one ago before making a judgement.safe riding to you all.
I get where the traditionalist are coming from and totally agree, but personally as a below knee left leg amputee, this advent is sensational. It will allow me to get back into biking even with a prosthetic ... I just need to shortlist what's available .... I am also led to believe there might even be a 1200 DCT around which would be perfect ...
This should of included the Suzuki Bergman 650
Shifting is only for the track and the curves in old (YES OLD) mountain pass roads. Most of us live in modern civilized suburbs with no variation of elevation terrain and gradient. Clutch-less is for us
This is the future
so do they not take gas?
this misrepresent what these bikes appeal to most, re-entry riders and those who have tired hands during very long rides, this type of bike is perfect. 600 plus mile rides no issue.
If you want the largest dealer support network and highest quality I'd go for the Honda. (Multibrand mechanic here.)
Both Aprilia and the Honda is no doubt a good bike. But the C600s is still my choice.
Even if the C600 costs almost as much as 2x NC700? Not for my money.
dbauernf Yes, I can only ride one bike at a time so even if there were a hundred hondas in my garage I'd still prefer to be on my BMW Sport.
How fast will Honda go without strain
For all you with little peckers there is nothing wrong with a automatic bike. I have owned scooter, maxi scooters, the POS Honda, and the Aprilia Mana. I have also had a sh!t ton of manual bikes. I suffered a motorcycle injury that makes some days hard to work the gears. Even If I did not have this problem I must say I am glad I was introduced to these machines. I have fun on any bit of two wheels and I do not suffer the ego of big power, big motor, and only a manual will do. I have a Aprilia Mana and it is by far my favourite in the shoot out. I have owned the Honda and the DCT was abysmal. The normal mode would dump you in 6th gear at 40 miles per hour. This would lug that POS lack luster 700 in a big way. The Honda had to be ridden in the sport mode or the gas mileage Nazi's would come and bugger you. The Aprilia is really an amazing bike that I love. I do get pocked fun at because this bike is a auto and most don't understand it. I could care less this bike is a great deal of fun to ride. My Honda was just a washing machine on two wheels. The BMW in this shootout is also a nice ride. I would not hesitate to own one. I have had Berger’s, and the fun Tmax maxi scooters. Ride what you like. If you have the mentality of a twelve year old, bar hopping, homo's of anarchy, then auto's are not for you. If you think that you are only a motorcyclist, if you have a pink power ranger suit on and ride a Tupperware covered race bike on the street, then i feel sorry for your family. Just enjoy two wheels regardless if you are a lifestyle bar hopping pirate guy or a crotchrocketeer. Motorcycles are fun and we are all brothers and sisters on two wheels. By the way if your hands are holding the bars above your shoulders you might be a queen. Be careful out there and have fun.
Where's the Aprilia SRV 850??
At 1:14/15...
I've driven nothing but manual transmission vehicles, many of which few will ever operate.
I'm scared of other drivers. I make it point to look for motorcycles and still miss them, and when I'm on the road with any vehicle and see a respectable rider, I give them enough room for everyone around me to see them.
I'm not scared of manual transmission bikes. I just look for automatic bikes in an effort to make sure I make it home without fucking myself due to confusion
yes, good that you don't hit them
All the negative comments about automatics are probably from dealers of rival brands or motorcycle insurance salesmen! HAHA!
The one thing that seems to get mentioned in every review of a Honda DCT is people liking it much more once they put it in sequential mode rather than automatic. Which makes me feel like it does something that makes experienced riders uncomfortable. Probably something like it isn't predictable enough.
Yet they never mention that about a CVT, there the comment is as predictable as the gearbox... twist-n-go is boring. It's always just boring, never the need for more control over it to make it better.
Would like an automatic bike with a ''switchable '' clutch . Just as I want one in a car . Want to dose the throttle while slippering the clutch for a rocket launch... just switch to manual mode . Return to ''auto'' for morning jam , that it !
How did the Mana behave with manual shifting? This is so typical of Moto Journalists' shallow review. Skip features randomly. No mention of service intervals, fuel economy, etc. Shame.
You forgot the SRV 850 !!!! AAAaaargh
Why no Ridley's?!
Honda wins again.
If you read the review they also wrote up they say honda only won because of price tag. Now if you buy a used or year old new mana it's priced the same as the honda. Which then...mana wins! Honda has 54 hp as to the 74 hp mana has. I personally want more speed from my bike than mpg.
+rsrebel Gee that's funny, because it's 2x the price on the used market
When “push button start” came to motorcycles, purists thought that it was not a “real bike” unless you kick started it. Some people are gate-keepers some are first adopters. Just ride and enjoy.
Just need to show up without a clutch lever?
I can do that, lemme grab my screwdriver...
Steven Zettel Ha ha
Underrated comment!
180cc gilera runner
I reject the notion that this bike is for beginning riders who can't or have never learned how to use a clutch. My bike is a Suzuki Burgman. A lot of us scooter riders enjoy an automatic transmission for the same reason we like them in our cars - LUXURY.
Yea but which one goes the fastest?
The Aprilia, without a doubt!
Um "the sport of motorcycling"? Don't you mean the LIFESTYLE of motorcycling?
BMW looks so cool !
The BMW may look great until you start reading about all the problems with them and the incredibly cheap looking plastics that would put a Chinese bike to shame.
The BMW may look great until you start reading about all the problems with them and the incredibly cheap looking plastics that would put a Chinese bike to shame.
wozza59
That is interesting, I have tested many BMW bikes but didn't have a chance to test the scooter. If they used cheap plastics, that is really a shame for BMW !
Bur Ozt Hi, I'm sorry for being negative about this machine. I haven't ridden one, but I am aware of some of the problems associated with the BMW scooters. I've had a good look round one at a bike show and the plastics do look rather cheap in my humble opinion.
I have more than 7,000 miles on my C600 Sport. It is a fantastic bike full stop. There have been a few reports of some problems, but I have experienced none on mine. It has an ease of riding that I've come to really enjoy. Gobs of storage, and more power than I ever need in normal riding situations (2up at 100+ mph no prob) Sure, any Mk1 of any make will have some teething problems, hell even the new R1200GS has a recall from bmw and no one would throw it under the bus. I consider my Sport to be like a cheaper R1200RT. Considering I've just compared it to a $20,000 bike, I expected a more utilitarian machine with real touring prowess. Some bits are abs plastic, just like most full bodied bikes are. But I find it unfair to read so many negative opinions from people who have not even ridden one and are just repeating something they read in an article or from a CZcams review.
why on earth would anyone want to ride a motorcycle WITH a clucth???
Cost, maintenance, and weight?
Timothy McKean I would differ, only reason to have a manual is for the track, but if you look at f1 in cars, dct is still faster than manual. So performance is better with dct, I think it’s just matter of time till everything goes to dct... or electric then no gears
@@saleenr6 I agree that the DCT performs better (see my other comment on this video) But it still costs more, is heavy, and requires more maintenance... - or, maybe just more expensive maintenance when it needs it. :)
I'm looking at an NC700x now myself. The DCTs I'm finding in my area are all about 1500 - 2K more that the manuals. That's a big difference in my budget.
Timothy McKean msrp between the dct and manual is very marginal, couple hundred more if I remember correctly. Weight wise all these bikes are heavy, couple more pounds doesn’t change the charactics, I think at the end of the day, it’s just that people don’t like change, it takes them away from what they’re comfortable with.
They say "ease of use" but a lot of people change due to disabilities like arthritis in their hands. Whatever keeps you on two wheels, right?
for someone to get a bike over 700cc he must've learned to shift a long time ago already, so.....that's not the reason to buy a no-shifter. Perhaps get a better argument for that.
they have tried automatics in bikes for over 30 years ant it never caught on - why would it now - generally people who have no interest in manual cars have no interest in riding motorcycles
+dlb83082 Obviously there is as 1. scooters are popular and they are a type of motorcycle and 2nd they keep making them in different designs, if they didnt sell they wouldnt make them.
eraldorh
in america scooters are for people without a license and they cannot have manual transmissions and be legal
dlb83082
Well the US isnt the world.
But my opinion is regarding the US so if your comment is regarding the rest of the world then that is fine but I have no need of reversing my position.
Not true. Here in the US you must have a license -- and insurance -- for any motorized vehicle of 50 cc's or more. In some states it's required no matter what size engine displacement you have. Try telling a cop you don't need a license to drive a scooter then explain to your wife or girlfriend why you're spending the night in jail.
why's that aprilia look soooo big..
HONDA ALL DAY! PERIOD..
Respectfully to your means to review these easy-goers and exclude the Ridley is kind of a fail. These are different format bikes and the Ridley could have represented classic.
the dct should have 3rd option of manual clutch too, wen u need to launch it like a rocket!, seriously, the dct has everything except this.
the dct does have a manual mode. it shifts smoothly in manual.
if shifting distracts you from the road, you shouldnt be qualified to drive anything shifting is easier than clicking turn signals shifting is easier than checking your speed shifting should require absolutely no user distraction
I can handle clutch. I just find it so archaic fir 21st century
the introduction to this video was really apologetic - i.e. you would only really want one of these if you were easing back into biking etc🤔
Aprilia wins in looks