STOP Crashing Bikes in Corners // Part 1: The LINE
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- Today we’re starting a series of videos about the reasons why people crash in corners, which statistically makes up about half of all motorcycle crashes. If you watch this series, you can easily become twice as safe a rider!
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My name is Andrei Bodrov. Originally from Moscow, Russia, I now live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Back in Moscow, I was a motorcycle instructor and the creator of the Moto Control Beginner & Advanced motorcycle rider courses, which quickly became the most popular courses in the city (especially the advanced one 😁).
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This is the best motorcycle riding education channel.
By far
and not a single word about counter-steering and how you should steer towards corner. but probably it is in another video
@@FromZeroToHeroUS yeah this is pretty focused on the line. Counter steering is table stakes for everyone but Harley riders.
Good information and no big ego like some of the Americans
I agree😊
That was the best explanation of lines to take into a turn I've ever seen.
Agreed! Very helpful!
Agree. Learned a lot and will try to implement this knowledge into my riding.
Me too!
The contents of the channel is consistently the closest of all the YT game to what I was extensively thought here in Germany. It’s no BS, safety-first, down-to-earth and physics-based. I love every bit of contents I’ve seen so far. Well done!
This should be mandatory viewing for any street rider!
The one downside to staying near the centreline in the first half of the corner is if the corner tightens up. A reducing/tightening radius can mean you drift into the oncoming traffic if you're already at the limits of cornering, and you often can't tell in advance if the corner will do this. So I prefer to leave a couple of feet (0.5m or so) buffer and start the corner in the middle of the tyre tracks, just in case I need a little more room - or if an oncoming vehicle happens to be cutting the corner and crosses the line into your lane (a very common problem I'm finding in rural USA currently)
That is the worst design of corner though, I notice newer roads (anything built in the past 90 years?) are engineered to constant radius, mindful of how dangerous tightening corners are. This all means a rider should be cautious on unfamiliar roads. Explains why I was never a 100% gung ho in the twisties.
Scout the road first, it's a good idea for spotting hazards ahead of time be it the route or gravel. If you're pushing blind, even on a road you know, you're eliminating a lot of safety factor.
@@DaaaaaangSon Most motorcyclists ride like this anyway: full knee on the ground into a blind right corner on a mountain road, with 5m visibility limit. You find gravel, sand, dirt, wet, a stationary car, animal/person? You go down.
As a rule of thumb, on public roads i never use my tires to the limit, and never lean into the corner to the max, and the cornering speed should allow you to stop the moment you find an obstacle. You also mainly ride in the middle of the lane, since you know, easier to avoid potential problems.
that is why you practice trail braking
late apexing is a byproduct of waiting to complete a corner when you actually see the exit - this means you will be safe even if you are near the edge of your lane, since you're not cornering wth maxed out tyres
Pretty much what we are taught in NSW, start wide, finish tight. I start in the outside wheel track and turn in to the middle of the lane when the line on the edge or middle of the road starts turning, go around the corner in the middle of the lane until I can see the exit and when I see the exit I tighten it up. That puts you in the right position for the next corner in a series of left and right corners. It is a bit harder when there are no lane markings but you get used to that.
And this sums up so nicely why trail braking is so very effective! The delayed apex model is definitely the way to go! It's safer, allows for a faster exit, allows for better visibility up the road, and also preloads the bike with the weight shifted onto the front tire for more effective and efficient slowing, if necessary. Great explanation!! And the math doesn't lie!! Thanks for that!! I'm looking forward to the next video on this topic! Ride safe, ride well, and ride often!
Boy.. statistically you just saved some hundreds of lives. Great job
The French Police motorcyclist use and teach that last line you mentioned: on the outside until you see the exit.
It takes some getting used to, particularly for left corners, but that’s clearly the safest line!
The problem is that although they teach it, I don't see many French riders applying it on the road everyday!
@@baribalthebear Well, the police probably do.
Another trick the police use that many riders do not, is that they counter-lean their bodies. IE: they don't lean their body into the turn, they lean the bike down, but keep their body upright. This reduces the maximum speed you can go through the corner, but vastly increases your control, making it easy to parry tires losing grip and keep going. You also see this among dirt bike riders.
@@baribalthebear They teach it to the Police and Gendarmerie, not to the regular rider.
@@OnlyKaerius You also see better into thje corner. I ride like this when i have no visibility. Also, who cares how fast i'm going, i'm not racing anyone on the road.
@@OnlyKaerius This is only valid on relatively slow corners. Like sharp hairpins or in city traffic or parking lots. Don’t do it while driving at a somewhat faster pace. People that are scared to lean while driving faster do this naturally - staying to upright while the bike leans. In fact, they often run wide because of this (because you can’t lean the bike further when needed at some point), or scrape pegs while it’s not needed for the speed they are going.
If someone proudly boosts about his pegs scraping, look at the body position - the scraping can be a consequence of bad technique and therefor doesn’t have to be an indication they where going fast through the corner. No, not bad, i should say the wrong technique at inappropriate times, because there are surely situations where the counter-leaning technique is appropriate. That is however not in higher speed corners. If you want to know more about this, there is a good video on it on this channel.
Damn, man! You nailed it! Learned a lot! Greetings from Latvia!
10/10, should be made mandatory to watch when getting a motorcycle license.
When I started riding I learned this the hard way. Out riding in a state park in twisty roads, I misjudge a corner and turn in too soon. Realizing I'm going to fast and not comfortable enough to lean the bike further I instinctualy try to brake mid corner causing the front to lose grip and I end up low siding into a ditch.
Thankfully there was no oncoming traffic and I was able to walk away. The bike only had some scratched up fairings thanks to fame sliders I installed, and a tow was able to help me get the bike out and back on the road. Needless to say, I was lucky and started to practice more, especiallywhat motocontrol is describing here.
This is actually ridiculously interesting and I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone else mathematically do the work to show people what's happening. Countless videos of line selection and crashes due to line selection, but I appreciate you standing out doing your own thing here. The difference is extremely noticeable, and I hope newer riders appreciate the work that was put into this vid.
Congratulations on the success of your channel! Your production quality has become first class. Your content continues to be focused, relevent and well scripted. Look forward to seeing more of your content in the future.
Yes! It’s time to ditch the miles per hour-17 century stuff. We should all switch to yards per second! 😂.
Love your channel dude! Thanks for all the valuable content!
We all know, Furlongs per Fortnight are the new KPH.
My wife just got the (Swiss) license, and my daughter is preparing for it. "Stay outside, with a safety margin, until you see the end of the corner" was one of the most important advice I gave them.
Both frequently get positive feedback about their lines from other riders. One mission acomplished.
Mindset successfully shifted sir. Until this video I didn’t understand why drawing the lines mentioned mattered. I just thought I was skilled enough to take the corner on any line I wanted (for the sake of the challenge) because I was never going wide. I’m taking a trip in a few weeks and will ride on twisty roads and DEFINITELY needed this video. ❤
Hell yeah! This is slowly becoming my favorite CZcams place for motorcycle skills :)
At driving school, I was told that I should drive the corner late until I see the exit and then accelerate.
*But here, APEX is explained to one simply and perfectly!*
My favorite channel since I started riding motorcycle again.
But how do you know the apex until you can see the exit? Cornering late with trail braking into the corner allows you greater visibility of the entire corner to plan the corner, and greater control to manage your line through the corner as you only ease up on the brake and start to accelerate once you see the exit
I often feel im entering too fast, so i ease off throttle to try delayed apex. Then i feel i slowed too much and not carrying enough speed entering, so i accelerate again a bit,ease off, then accelerate hard when i see exit. But it seems im messing about too much on off on off on the gas and not as smooth as i would like, then i hate myself.
Hope you can overstand what im saying.
Your the best teacher, my favourite for sure.
We all do that in street riding (except hating ourselves). It's probably 100% and that's a good thing. It means you're leaving enough safety in reserve in order to negotiate you and your bike through the turn.
However, this does leave one very bad habit; street riders often open the throttle while leaning the bike over (I used to do that!) which means you're greatly increasing your chances of a low side. Most low sides on CZcams that occur on the street are from this bad habit of losing the rear while on throttle, while most racing low sides are from sliding the front tire.
@langhamp8912 thank you for your comment I do feel better now that I'm not alone.
Did it take long to break that habit of throttling whilst leaned over?
So the moral of the story delayed apex and awareness of throttle imput and lean angle ? I'm going touring this week for the first time and look for wards to applying the teachings.
The most difficult corners for a motorcyclist, are long tightening radius curves. These are often at dual-carriageway exits, which try to fit the biggest change of direction into the smallest possible space. They begin was a slightly curving slip road, before embarking on a G-force battle with the bike and foot pegs. Add spilt diesel from over-filled lorries, and an impossible to see exit of up to 360 degrees, for a white knuckle ride.
Really well done. The calculations were interesting and the photos with different lines were very helpful.
Excellent demonstration and overall video. This is the type of physic based advice which is all to often missing when trying to improve our riding. One of the top videos I’ve seen by a long shot. Much appreciated.
It also sets you up nicely for the next corner which is most often the opposite turn.
Took me a while to learn this in the past and it works out really good for me. Late apex till I see the exit and GO! At the late apex, As soon as the lines on the road start to straighten up, I know the road ahead is getting straight so I can pick up the bike and accelerate. Worked well for me over the years...
I decided to give you something financially, because watching your videos pushed me to start exercising my slow riding motorcycle skills. At 75 I'm not a fan of high speed anymore, but being safer on the road, specially in a big town like Toronto is never ending learning process and your videos helped. Thank you with joining your Patreon channel. I also wanted to congratulate you on your hairstyle. :)
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it very much!😊
im currently taking lessons for my motorcycle license and this channel is helping me out alot, such clear and simple explenation to understand when you dont already understand the topic hes talking about. im really glad i came across this channel
This cornering technique is how i was taught while racing cars on road courses. Very good explanation!
I had a good driving school teacher. I was taught this in driving school. Well presented in this video. Keep the good work up!
Thank you for sharing this, don't apologize for introducing calculations into your demonstration, since it's purely a math problem! Too many drivers believe in "chance", "luck" or "bad luck", whereas driving and staying on the road without falling is just a series of physical and mathematical calculations! greetings from France!
Excellent !!! This should be taught exactly this way in all beginner courses
Hello!
I am very new to the world of motorcycle and I didn’t have anyone to teach me. I rode a scooter before upgrading to a bike and didn’t know how to operate the clutch and use the gears.
I stumbled upon your channel and I give all my credit to you. Your channel helped me learn everything I know about motorcycles today, the gears, the clutch, the brakes especially slow speed manoeuver.
I still watch your videos because I’m still learning and I appreciate your effort.
You make your lessons easy to understand and also make it sound simple which encourages one to do it without fear and also, your accent is very entertaining.
Good stuff 👍🏻 The other good thing about using a late apex is that you open the corner up, you can see further around the corner. The riders in the videos all started turning early, none were actually using anything like the available grip and have panicked, on the sort of bikes shown, using the rear brake would've settle the bike, lose speed and give the riders confidence they could make the corner. Learn stuff and practice it, I'm still practicing after 43 years of riding !
He has really turn us from newbies to rookies, futures videos we will gain accurate knowledge. Always keep learning from his great videos. Great work for the motorcycle community
Excellent discussion! 8:00 Early apex makes you run wide. Early apex an increasing radius corner, late apex a decreasing radius corner. 10:08 is a nice picture of a good line.
Love the practical application of physics. Well done!
Very good explanation..... I just started learning about the late apex technique, but your calculations put some good substance behind it : )
Sheer brilliance in explaining a really complex process. The late apex turn makes so much sense. Thank you
Still throwing great information towards beginners and advanced riders!
Best channel on YT period.
감사합니다.
정말 고마워 친구! Thanks a lot, mate!😁
This video is so nerdy...I LOVE IT! I can't tell how much my riding has improved since I found this channel a year ago and started understanting the physics behind riding. I've not only got to learn, but understand how to ride and why. Really, can't say thank you enough, Andrei!
Well noted! I ride this line for years - It's the only line one should choose on unknown roads!
Man, I'm so glad I bought your King of the road Course! Videos like this one make me really understand every little detail. I could do the math by myself but I never thought of actually doing it! Thank you, I love this kind of more technical content! You are the man!
*all* your videos are so simple, clear, and at the same time detailed and exhaustive. Excellent work, thanks!!!
Best rule of cornering left or right, is start wide, finish tight. Excellent video … 👍🏼
“Your excellent videos and lessons giveth me excellent knowledge and I taketh confidence and skills with me.”
fantastic work!
the trend w/ trail-braking on so many (even large) channels is so disappointing given how dangerous it is for new(er) riders. i've watched dozens of videos trying to explain in numerous ways how it's safer while in reality it's an advanced technique for late braking.
the safest way to corner is to go in slower than you think you should, maintain the outside line like this video shows (but not too close to incoming traffic just in case the corner tightens even more on badly designed roads) till you see the corner exit and then either maintain speed or even slightly accelerate as you complete the corner.
there are many riders who 'went around the globe' w/o any (stupid) accidents. luck plays a role but it appears some 'type' of riders seem to have way more luck than others. think about that for a while.
be nice ride safe and have fun when possible :)
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ps: in case of an emergency don't be afraid to swerve aggressively. modern tires have more than enough grip, they don't really need the extra help from all kinds of 'race techniques' such as trail braking. push firmly on the handlebars and *force* yourself to look at the 'safe path' not at the 'obstacle'.
practice swerving in a safe setting, you will be shocked how quick and firm modern tires can change direction of the bike. practice braking, practice slow speed maneuvers... you want to be able to work the controls of the bike and your balance w/o having to think about your actions. because in an emergency you don't have time to think and your body knows it so it switches to 'instinct mode' but the 'natural instinct moves' are in many cases counterproductive on two wheels. long story short, training the 'reflexes' is the safest thing a rider can do. it takes many many repetitions so have patience w/ yourself.
do a little experiment for yourself, this will change your attitude: move your toothbrush to a new location. count how many days it takes for you to stop reaching for the 'old location'.
Very plausible and easy to understand. I like in particular the videos showing the lines in real time view - this makes it so much more relatable. Well done Mate.
You managed to explain it presicely and easily at the same time. It will improve my riding. Thanks from France
Great video! Thanks a lot for putting this out. It's very helpful. I've been riding for nearly a year now and my instructor has never told me this. So, I'm very thankful I'm learning this through your video!
Love the physics behind it! Well done 👏
By far one of your best videos. This is one of those topics I always thought I grasped - only now I can see that there is still much to learn. Cheers
Andrey! This is just amazing! Top quality content.
thank you for articulating this so clearly! you rock!
Thanks! Such a masterclass!
Perfectly stated. Articulated clearly and demonstrated precisely so everyone could understand the message. Thank you.
This vid is spot on - I’ve done a couple of days with the British Police, who take the outside line for corner visibility (but tend not to brake much at all) and a day on track with the IAM, where they put cones out to mark the braking target for turn in to hit the late apex’ on Thruxton and encouraged later but firmer braking to get a line where the late apex allowed standing the bike up & getting on the power again sooner on the exit.
One thing neither training day covered was the detailed numbers covered here - really a very good video.
Hey! Thanks for your videos! I just started riding this Monday. Your videos helped me a lot when I started gathering money last November lol Gonna do the drills now with your routine next month!
Check out Kevin at MCrider and Dave over at Canyon Chasers. These three guys are the best of the best on CZcams.
Much appreciated ❤.. I think more examples of riders mistakes is all a bonus
What I am seeing so much of in these examples is target fixation, the rider stops focusing on the exit of the corner, and focuses on the side of the road, an obstacle, what ever they feel threatened by, and then because they are looking at it, they ride right into it. There is no reason why they could not have corrected the turn by leaning more, backing off the throttle, and/or trailing the brake as they entered the corner. The thing is too, you never want to be anywhere near 100% cornering speed on the street anyways, as it gives you not only no margin for error, but it also gives you no room to react to the unexpected like say an animal, or some oncoming idiot passing in a blind corner, or anything on the road that could hurt traction.
Great and educative video as always. Thanks for all the work and explanation on this topic. It's really helpful. Carry on maestro 👍🏼
New gadget on the modern motorcycle dash; a CC (CornerCalculator) 😵💫 But by all means; thank you for a great explanation! ♥
Wow, great explanation! Thanks!
Very valuable information, great explanation and animation!
It's important to note that you still have to be very aware of oncoming traffic when you're close to the middle line until you're at the apex.
I usually try to ride a late apex line but sometimes have to trailbrake and move to the middle of my lane because oncoming cars or bikes are occasionly cutting the corner..
This.
Truly awesome video!
This is Real Life Saving Stuff,
Keep Up the Great Work.
Many Thanks
Thank you for the amazing tutorial regarding the driving lines. I had an idea regarding this but the explanation you provided is something that is very difficult to come by.
This is what we learn at school but with much more explainations. Very good 👍
Thanks... great video, will work on this the next week.
i watched all your videos, loved it and applied even if i only ride a MTB. I had this doubt about mid corner understeer for weeks, luckily you put it in prospective and gave us a greater lesson
Very well-organized and easy to understand video. Bravo!
Exceptional video! I learned I generally start a corner too early!
Love your videos. Very well presented, no nonsense, valuable information for new and even experienced riders to soak in and REMEMBER next time we are riding. 😁👍👍
Wow! The best cornering explanation I have seen. Nice work! 👊
No doubts - best explanation of ideal track line I have ever seen. Highly informative, interesting and entertaining content. 10/10 will watch it again.
This was an exceptionally useful and informative video. Well done!
incredibly useful information you gave here buddy, I've been using this line naturally.
This is the best explanation ever to a physics that most don't understand. Brilliant Andrei.
That's such a good breakdown, thank you!
Aside from myself, you're the only motorcyclist I know that actually does the math on motorcycle stuff. I'll certainly seek out an opportunity to take a on-site class with you. Though I'd rather do trail braking and use the brakes to steer the bike, like they teach in Champ School.
the video was about line selection not trail breaking
@@dennytuma and it was a great video indeed. Though one is tied to the other. It's suggested that you enter late on the turn because if you misjudge the turn and enter too early you're going to be too fast inside of the turn. But if you learn trail braking, you actually become able to fix your speed inside of the turn, so that you don't need to enter late.
Good timing. Yesterday getting frustrated how bad I still am at corners.
Great illustration of the different approaches. It made a lot of sense to me and I will now try to aim for late apexes
Wonderful explanation! Easy and effective! Congratulations! Thank you for sharing.
Awesome explanation. I always see new people getting into the track and they're so concerned with body position that they don't take the time to learn and understand the lines. Eventually they'll be pushing as hard as A group riders, but running 5-10 seconds slower. The reason is normally lines. .5-1 second here and there over 26 corners really adds up!
You, my friend, are a very clever fellow and always have really good advice on riding safely. Thank you.
Amazing video. I have an engineering background so explaining with calculations like this really help me to understand it and plant it as logic in my head so I won't forget, instead of people just saying "do this" which is easier to forget.
Turned on notifications. Looking forward to the other parts.
You're an excellent teacher.
Very helpful. Great rule of thumb. Thanks.
Well explained. Best motorbike content on CZcams.
this is hand down the best explanation channel there is!! omg u are great man!! greatings from Sweden!
As always excellent videos! Thank you
Super clear explanation, i am going to practice this late apex line. Thank you!
Excellent work, sir. Thank you.
One of the best educational motorcycle videos 💯👏👏👏
Excellent video. When I enter a corner I'm not settled on my line until i can select one that will take me safely through it, to the exit and beyond. 'Line hunting' is the best way I can describe it. Slowing properly really helps with line choice. I also need to get my eyes focused on the chosen line and once I'm on it that's the corner sorted usually.
Very helpful. Thank you!
Amazing, well explained. Also i can pat myself on the back for doing this intuitively already, I only attempt to take a perfect turn at high speed when I can either see the whole turn with no oncoming traffic or I've ridden that turn tens of times. Otherwise "late apex", preload front suspension w a touch of brake, peek into the corner and once I can guess the max. curvature then let the bike eat.
Very nicely presented, with clear explanations...a must for any rider (new or not)....
Really helpful video. Thanks 😁
Great! It's almost the same trajectory as the one now taught in driving schools here in France, called "trajectoire de sécurité" (safety trajectory) and also used by the police on motorcycles: you adapt your speed in the straight before entering the corner, then instead of cutting the corner like on a circuit, you shift to the outside of the corner to see as far as possible, and once in the corner, as soon as you see the exit, you shift to the inside of the corner and resume your speed. It's precisely because the police are fed up with motorcyclists riding on the road like on a racetrack, cutting corners, that this completely opposite trajectory is now teached.
Thank you for breaking it down brother!