MAXI SCOOTER SHOOTOUT; BMW vs. Yamaha vs. Aprilia
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2013
- We ride the new BMW scooter and also compare it to another new scooter, the Aprilia SRV and then compare both to the maxi scooter veteran, the Yamaha T-Max.
We also put the head to head on a track to see which posts the fastest lap time. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Personnaly, I have the BMW C600 sport and it's a very good scooter and a reliable machine, maintenance is not expensive because it is performed every 20000 km.
I test-rode Aprilia on a highway and small curly slopes. It vibrates a lot, being a V-twin (L-twin to be exact). My hands were numb. You have to park it backwards, because you will not be able to push it back even on a slightest slope. Heavy, and weight seems high - feels heavier than my 1.8L Victory cruiser. SRV is so powerful, it made me smile a lot but I recognized that due to its weight it is a beast of the highway, not so much an urban commuter I need. There is also the exposed chain to lubricate every 1000km and adjust every 5000km. As much as I wanted it, I had to change my thinking. It is a high-speed tourer, not an urban line-splitter. Also noticed the suspension was not as great as on my Downtown 300i (back then), was feeling any ridge and bump, I actually think this was road and engine vibration you feel in your hands. Also very small storage, not enough for my helmet. Legs felt the wind, which was not expected. I did not like Kymco AK550 for its silly Noodoe dash which made my eyes sore (i think it pulses at high speed). I did not try a beemer, from my understanding it is an interesting combo - there is chain (that sounds bad, I did not like the YT videos I saw) but it is not exposed, there is casing. BMW are also expensive. Though power is there and higher than T-Max (lower than SRV but only tourers/highway crazies care). However for practical reasons I ended buying IronMax T-Max 530 for its nice style and limited edition options (Akra, colors, windshield). I wanted a Kymco MyRoad 700 but they are not coming to Australia. Even if they do, Noodoe is a no-deal for me (because PWM).
this video is from 2013, the Aprilia well never seen 1 , BMW have almost stoped making them , T-Max is still going strong and better today after a few new parts......
the SV850 has ABS in the retail model.
I miss the good old days of lightweight, small displacement, 2-stroke motorcycles like the Yamaha RD series, or the Honda MB5!
I had a test ride the BMW its brilliant the handling is very good and it will hit 100mphh easy, pity its so expensive !
Thanks for the info. Quick question, from a few reviews they mentioned that the suspension is not that good on the SRV. What is your experience on the scooter?
Some have called the SRV a unfinished product due to the suspension.
"If you look, we're at Red Star Raceway, a place for sports, a place for motor sports"
*tractor slow trudges by in the background*
That ironic juxtaposition gave me a laugh.
Simply the best, video ( show ) that is. You guys are fun to watch.
Good to see u back sir.
Perfect sense of humor. Really appreciate this informative and yet fun video. Now these scooters definately lack some *real* horse power for their price ...
I have to admit I have not ridden any of these machines. I do own and love riding a Suzuki Burgman 650 which I consider to be the benchmark for maxi scooters. I realise this video is made in South Africa and so some things will be different than my experience in Australia. In Australia small scooters under about 250cc are the ideal commuter bike. they're lightweight and nimble around the city, purchase prices are low and registration (the cost to put your bike on the road) are low. Above 250cc that all changes and the cost to put the bike on the road can be quite high. With this in mind you don't buy a maxi scooter just to commute or to deliver pizza. You buy it because you want to tour on the open road. This brings us back to the Burgman (the 650 is no longer available in Australia only the 200 and 400) as indicated it is a 650 engine with a CVT (like all scooters) with a manual option. The manual option allows access to a 6th gear that acts as an overdrive - very handy when cruising the highways and back roads at 110km/h (the national speed limit in Australia). The Burgman has twin front discs and a single disc on the rear and ABS meaning stopping is no more trouble than getting going. There is also a parking brake. Storage wise there are cubby holes in the dash one of which is lockable and includes a cigarette lighter charging socket. Under the seat 2 full face helmets will fine fine if stacked as directed. Add a top box if necessary. The windscreen is electrically adjustable so that at low speed you have plenty of air flow but out on the highway you can keep the wind off your chest thus reducing pressure on your arms. The Burgman has a 14 litre tank which in my experience give you about 200kms between fills or about 2 hours good riding which it time for a stop. I feel the TMax whilst a good option might be a tad small in the engine department (at least for me) my other bike is Kawasaki Voyager 1700. Whilst I'm sure it would do a good job I like something a bit bigger. The other two are no doubt equally good machines 560 TMax/ 600 BMW not much difference the Aprillia at 800 is a good size engine with plenty of grunt but in Australia they don't sell many so I wonder about parts and service and all those things you have to consider once you've taken your new toy home. I know this review is meant to be a bit of fun but the track is not where people ride - they do that on the road. I'd love to see another video comparing all three in the city and on the open road. For me I don't care too much about the speed off the mark (I'm always going to beat the cars if I need to), and I don't care too much about the top speed because I'm never going to ride that fast. Braking is always interesting and the absence of ABS is a deal breaker (why would you make a bike without it). Thanks for the review - I'm off to take spin on my Burgman.
To my experience the 650 Burgman is the best
You guys left Burgman out of this, is an amazing/excellent scooter.
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Its slow, heavy and dull. It has nothing to do on a track.
And WHY isn't the Aprilia model available in the USA?
Good reviews and funny too.👍
with maintenance cost in mind, definitely will go the Yamaha Tmax.
I love this video you guys are amazing 👏 ❤ bravo bravoooo!
I wish they included a Suzuki 650 Burgman in this trial.
That said, I would go for the Aprilia 850 because it's the fastest and it only took a couple of seconds more to get around the track.
Not sure about the idea of Burgman 650 being included here. It's a different class of maxi scooter - big, cumbersome cruiser/tourer. Not a sporty, track machine.
For the road I would take the most power and best brakes everytime since you're usually sight-line limited around corners more than lean angle.
Just a shame they aren't on the same scooter.
Beautiful Thank You
Excellent vid
Frank Zappa lives!
I have been watching comparisons for some time now; BMW vs. Suzuki, BMW vs. Yamaha and Aprilia (yours), and others including Honda. The bottom line for me is that BMW still carries the best options, ride, power, etc. for the dollar. Thanks for the video.
nice content guys!!!
What about price, function and styling?
The Aprilia is obviously more powerful than the other two. I mean 850cc and 76 HP? Come now.
Needs to be updated for 2019.
Superb video plus lots of smokin'. Larger scooters are futurist and more highway friendly. But, I'd put my '86 Honda CH250 up against all of them off the line and in the twisties. The 250 single cylinder liquid cooled built proof engine would out handle all of the above. Even raced a few Harleys in the corners and waved bye bye to them. Top end is 70 and 75 with tail wind. Been to the Piaggio factory where I drove everything they manufacture. My little Elite is amazing. Although, Total enjoy your video.
No one cares about your ancient Honda.
My HONDA PCX HAS DONE 72.000 MILES AND STILL GOING STRONG I CHANGE THE OIL EVERY 1000 MILES
Airlifter at every 7000 miles and have air (blown)cleaned at 3000 miles..
Change belt, rollers,spacers, every 11000 miles and gear oil at 25000 miles....Yeah had coolant changed at 37000 miles
I had a 2008? TMAX. I really enjoyed it. No maintenance issues whatsoever. Just new tires. I put 14000 miles on it in 2 years.
ive put 20k miles on my 125cc hoda pcx in year and half
I think they're all beautiful bikes; I would look good on all three of them😇😇😇
As this is a comparison between scooters, they should have talked about COMFORT, STORAGE, LEG ROOM, etc. If I cared about lap time, I would choose a cafe bike.
Good vid!
These machienes are probably very good and practical, but still ... well, scooters :p
No mention that the BMWs engine is built by Kymco in Taiwan. Kymco now has their own 550 maxi scooter that would compare well to these scooters.
Engine is from BMW not kymco
@@marockxxx No, the engine in the BMW scooters is built for them by Kymco in Taiwan. BMW also uses engines built by Rotax and in China and India. The G310 is entirely built in India by TVS. Don't expect them to advertise this, of course.
That's more accurate. BMW designed the engine and outsourced the manufacturing to kymco.
These reviews are all about power/speed. They take nothing else into account? The ergonomics of my Xciting 500 are perfect. Can sit on it and tour all day long 2 up. Fold up foot pegs, gas fill by handle bar, not down in the tunnel where you can't see to top it off. Gear final drive/no chain etc to adjust/lube so on and so on. And it cost about 6 grand new with a 2 year warranty. Buy the way, the BMW engine are built by Kymco, and they want about 11 grand for them! F.U. BMW. I have ridden my old carbed 2007 xciting 500 accross country twice. Several 700 mile days. Longest day was 1,004 miles. Most people with goldwings/harley dressers/BMW touring bikes etc can't do that. If you want to spend 25-30 grand to look cool or to impress the neighbors, go for it. Not me!
I like the ABS and see it as the future for safer motorcycling on unsafe roads.
This man was a visionary 😂😂😂
You gave the fastest scooter to the skinny guy and the slowest one to the chubby guy...
It doesn't matter the most expensive will always win and that is the aprilia with 800cc while the bmw only has 600.
did you watch the video? the bmw won
@@foxbaker1736 Raw power is less important in traffic, lane splitting ability and balls will win every time.
@@blackbilly7735 Balls with no brain will get killed in traffic ESPECIALLY lane splitting idiots ... i talk about the bike and as a fact the 840 with 15 more PS at same weight wins . Traffic is not for competing .
Fox Baker can we just stop for a moment and appreciate that you unintentionally wrote “Black Billy Balls.” Now that’s a name. 😂
I really love the narrator, soo funny...
Running cost? Fuel consumption? Service interval? Fuel range? Functionality 2 up? Weather protection? Storage facilities? Please would you make a more useless review?
i know theyre stupid aint they ..they aint even mentioned that none of them have ashtrays fitted either lol
this is like Top Gear for motorcycles. They're not concerned with such things lol
rscosworthfan Nobody buys a fucking Maxi Scooter to ride on track days so yeah those other things are relevant
I heard you have to reset a computer on BMW even when you change oil, can any owner disprove? Sounded like you have to pay BMW money for maintenance all the time.
Aprilia will cost you like the normal 850cc motorcycle. Kymco is cheapest, I have done most myself. Yamaha is more difficult because a lot of panels, need to remove before you can open the CVT on the right (partially covered by panels). There is also secondary (final) belt on the left side, in addition to small V-belt that is fully covered (on the right).
Storage in T-Max allows 1 full-face helmet (upside-down) and gloves. Because it is wide and long, my "messenger" style laptop bag fits nicely (which it did not in a Downtown 300i that can fit TWO full-size helmets because it was more 8-shaped). Aprilia can fit a Harley Davidson rider's casque and gloves :) no space in there at all because second cylinder sticks up where scooter space was under your seat. Beemer has a clever "drop-down" hatch that fits one full-size helmet and more stuff around it - but not when riding. If you do not lift the hatch back up, electronics will disable starter because you wheel may rub against it when jumping up and down. Consumption is according to displacement, so see tanks sizes ;) T-Max has better weather protection than SRV850, I have not tried BMW C-sport.
rscosworthfan Jq
I think tmax win the competition because so many parts available to mod your tmax.
Other advantage good price, enough ground clearance, good stability for cornering, not too heavy, reasonable feul consumtion, and from yamaha.
Why do these tests always take place on race tracks? Most of us buy scooters to deal with our city commutes. It's about having the right tool for the job and the perfect transport for the urban jungle is the scooter. I don't care which is faster around a track. Conclusion - another garbage road test, aping the Crass Top Gear blueprint. Grow up!
To Test The Real Perfomance is Only on The Track, For Commuting Most of Those are just The Same with some Price Different on Maintaince
If you dont find your info u need here then fuck off and watch a diff video dumbfuq
Good show
Best shootout ever! thanks I enjoyed it a lot!
Why does Yamaha give you a single low beam light ? What are they trying to save. You need as much light as you can get at night ! Who are these people who design these things. Do they ever ride them ?
Very easy to "overcome" the "problem" if you need a "double light" at low beam. Yamaha can set it that both lights operate on both low and high beam. No problem. Also just change the light-bulb and "Bob's your uncle". Easy.
I raced a scooter on my old buel xb12, it kept up with me up till about 90.they ain't slow that's for sure.
Was he drunk? Did he said, just over a 100 grand?
what?
+sam wood Watch the start 0.23
Poul Hansen oh right! Haha
+Poul Hansen dude thats alot of money for a scooter dam
... South African Rands, about 15 per US$.
Super 👍
Wouldn't be fair to the other scooters if Burgman was included.
Burgmans of this vintage are said to have annoying transmissions never quite at the right revs and to wallow in corners when compared to contemporary very agile Tmax. Every review I have seen would call the Tmax much more sporty, more fun to ride, though down overall on cruising power and less voluminous storage. Tmax over all.
Above Said by someone who has never been on a Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive.
I have over 70,000 miles on the Burgman, and I have ridden the Tmax, very sporty and quick, but no longer marketed in the USA. I have to admit I’d like to try the Aprilla 850 RVS on for size, 850 cc on a light weight cycle, wow, but last time I looked they to are not to be had in the USA either. I believe all are good rides. The technology designed into the Suzuki is amazing, I suspect the same could be said of the BMW.
Yes
I'll take one of each!
Good!
Better use Yamaha, European keeps breaking down
Watching that wrinkly hang his foot out in the corners was funny!
As a C6 owner with thousands of fast highway miles on it, I'm not certain where the rumors of vibrations come from. It does have a particular 270degree firing order Dual overhead cams and a stainless exhaust which gives a particular sound. Dual balance shafts smooth it all out. Overall the C6 is the best overall package full stop. BMW build quality and genuine accessories make it a fine replacement for a Automobile in urban environments.
Its a reskinned Kymco 😂
@@hexagonosaurus5848 Just like a De Tomaso Pantera or Iso Rivolta is a reskinned Chevy … got it 👍
@@christianjforbes also there is no such thing as a BMW C6 you dumbass
I am so sick of people saying scooters are not bikes or big scooters cost too much for there lack of horse...look!! scooters like burgmans, silverwings ,tmax , and bmws are autonatic motorcycles!! period!!! i started out on a yamaha majesty 400cc with a jcosta variator and that thing is fast!! i drove it from florida to alabama..7hr ride...that ride was a comfy ride but im 6ft 200 lbs and i know any of the maxi scooters i mention wouldve made that ride better...i now own a 2011 ninja1000 , 2007 yamaha fz6 and i still have my majesty, i like both of my motorcycles especially the 1000 but i took a 7hr rode trip on the 1000 and the last 3hrs i wish i was on my scooter...We will pay over $20000 for a bike that weighs dam near half a ton, 0-60 is like 8 to 10 seconds and cant perform half as well as the scooters will do in the corners...some of these scooters come with adjustable windscreens,heated seats,heated grips, storage that can fit 2 helmets, excellent wind protection with the fairings covering your legs and feet,weight is around 550 to 600 pounds to keep you planted during windy days, 0-60 in 7 secs top speeds of 120 mph indicated (110 gps
if these scooters have the same thing these big cruisers are offering that top speeds only average 120mph and only use is on a highway for $18000 to over $20000 i would rather pay $10000 for a scooter with the same options that would perform much better..in the city and highway..the scooters i was mainly talking about with these options are the burgman excutive and the bmw c650gt...with that being said im getting rid of the Fz6 with the corbin seat and im getting a bmw 650gt... a big motorcycle or anything materialistic is not gonna make your dick any bigger.. i dont care if you got a bad ass car or good looks...you dont need all the fellas looking up to you or all the girls liking you, all you need is 1 because in the end you are going to keep the company how u got them in the 1st place..your character and personality speaks for itself.
Why no burgman??
CC for CC as always BMW makes more HP than any of the competition. the only way the others can catch up is either by increasing displacment like Aprilia did or installing malossi kits on the Tmax. Stock BMW is still king of the class.
why not 720p?
Hi all,
In advance sorry for my english :) I would like to know your advice.
I bought almost new C 650GT scooter and saw in it a few problems and would like to understand if these problems just in my scooter or all scooters of the brand BMW. 1. CVT pulls scooter and trembles at the start and if you drive slowly when I slowly touched gas. 2. When turning at slow speed scooter wraps the steering wheel in the direction of rotation. Using both hands, you can cope with it but the one hand it is very difficult.
3. Unlike other maxi scooters Tmax for example, BMW had horrible nasty sound. As if there is not only the engine of KYMCO and everything else too.
Have you met such a problem with your scooter?
Thank you in advance for your reply!
im sorry, i cant offer any advice except to say- there is not a thing wrong with your english, mate :(
excellent video test between the three maxi scooter love it :)
As presented by Simon Pegg, Sid Vicious .... and Ray Mears
I love my burgman 650
How much is the bike
i own a bmw c650-GT great bike when you got it brand new, if you buy a used one be sure u can do repairs and patients. Tmax or Xmax are the best worth the money
I had a T-Max, mechanical issues in the first year. I would opt for the BMW or the Aprilia. By the way I enjoyed your video very much!
I'm Simon try suzuki then. for years haven't seen a mechanic except for regular maintenance (brakes/tires) and oil changes. and when a thief broke the key cylinder.
Ihab Kalache Went smaller, just bought a Kymco Like 200i ... Best bike decision I have made in a long time. Fun to ride, handles very well, will do 60 mph (so far), first two tanks of gas are averaging 75 mpg.
Nice
Which gets the best fuel economy, that seems like a rather important point when talking scooters...
(part 2) if driven properly it has the best fuel economy after integra, better than bmw or tmax when pussed in limit! i have calculated 4.9 lt/100 with 100km/h speed, and 5.8 with 160 km/h for a distance of 250 km.
I'd go with the BMW.
BMW now only available on "order". No stock at agents. Very little sales in a highly competitive market where the Yamaha T-Max has dominated for the past 10 yrs and internationally accepted and hailed as the number ONE "maxi- scooter". I don't think Yamaha will easily relinquish that spot to any of the competition.
Charl Burger BMW's scooters have proved quite troublesome. BMW has had all sorts of quality and reliability issues of late and their maxi-scooters are no exception.
AINT NO ONE CARES ABOUT SPEED ON THESE POINTLESS MACHINES
People who buy scooters look for good fuel consumption, comfy seat, reliability, weather protection, storage and size.
None of which were covered here.
Exactly running round a fucking track and talking about handling dumb review
Speak for yourself only. My Burgman 650 is pretty damn fast and gets me out of the way of trouble when I need it to!
Exactly! How far can I go on a tank? Is it comfortable? Enough room for my crap? I'm not taking it to a track!
Well, if for no other reason, it's good to know these machines can do much more than just putter around town. They could handle well and run around in the red line reliably.
A final test is breaking on wet pavement...
You need to put the 650 Suzuki Burgman in there
Should explain more the practicality..
I like the BMW scooter but the general maintenance is very expensive. Your better off to get the TMAX, even tho the cc’s are a little light I’d like to see a 700cc minimum.
Why did he say 100 grand? What currency?
Every year the T-Max is the best maxi scooter? Tell that to the Suzuki Burgman 650
Ugly, slow, bulky. Zero in town practicality
They've got better suspension, brakes and handling then a lot of entry level motorcycles up to 650cc (like my ex ninja 650R).
Yamaha 👍
I once broke My tibia and shin as well as collar bone due to trying to put a foot down with a motorcycle.
Wawoooooo
Forgot to say BMW DOES NOT produce those motorcycles they're made by KIMCO or KYMCO in South Korea.
Yes they brake a lot.
Thanks for the info. So parts are available for it and the Kymco?
David Geiger it’s all made in Korea parts distribute and sell by Motorrad but nothing is Made in Germany
Thanks, Now I will talk to Yamaha before I purchase.
Did he say $112,000 for bmw scooter? WTF!!!
South African rand
great test ,i choce bmw fastest on track best braking and handling better than aprillia and as good as tmax ,aprillia have best acceleration but more important for me is handling and braking and it dont have abs like bmw , tmax also dont have abs me vote is bmw 1 tmax 2 and aprillia 3 place even if aprillia are faster on track with long straight than tmax and acceleratoion faseter than other ,only ergonomics is for me mystery .
Suzuki Burgman 650 executive !!!
For what a BMW costs it should be the best
bmw💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
i own the srv 850 abs/atc. i have done since now 10.000 km in urban environment, highway. commuting, mountain with curves environment. its a fantastic scooter. when stationary you feel it heavy if you are small dimensions rider! me sitting on 1.80, 84 kg weight, i dont have any problem even stationned. of course its the fastest, safest scooter of them with antispin and good brakes (gold brembo 2pistons 300mm disc). you can keep 210 km and the scooter smiles!
scooters are more reliable, nimble in the streets and economical in every aspect. shame on us because to us a bike's name means a big tire and laud engine with fire paint :)
I have ! I have been smoking something :D
i choose Tmax
or iLL go in bmw
but i onLy have pcx
Did he say 110.000 to 112.000 pounds?? Why no Bergman ??
Steel horse
HAVE U BEEN SMOKING SOMETHING
GP 800 & SRV forever
100,000 pounds I'm not paying that for any scooter!
Then came the kymco ak550
I'm replacing my GSXR for the BMW scooter.
Italian design are the best. Nobody is nearby them.
Trupti Stewart I totally agree.
+Lord Rupert If that's what you think you have no taste and there is no hope for you.
+Lord Rupert I have cars from 5 countries including the US. Italy designs not only their own cars but some of the most successful designs of all the other cars companys. By the way, one of my cars is a Morris Minor since, I assume you are from England.
BMW looks the best
Why wasn't the Burgman 650 included in this comparison?
Heavy slow and dull. Nothing to do on a track.