The "Biceps Push-Up" | Good or Bad?
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Hey Guys, this was the first video that was made about this exercise: czcams.com/video/9cfN_mSzsOM/video.html
We think it was necessary to make another one. In the new one we go way more in detail and explain with physics and anatomy why the biceps works in this movement, how you should do it and what's the main goal of it.
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Maybe you can do other more in depth videos like this. It really helped me because for example I was only guessing about the biceps' role in straigth arm excercises. (Im beginner with about 5 seconds tucked planche and really wondered how should I position my elbows)
Thank you for the amazing video.
Assuming that normal push ups has 90% triceps and 10% biceps. This variation “ 8:10 “ maybe has 70% triceps and 30% biceps because of the lever it has changed. But it is still a tricep dominant movement and the bicep is only a stabiliser of the movement.
@@charlynelson210 1. Please explain me where you get that random numbers from. 2. The shoulder is the most dominant muscle in that movement not the ticeps.
Calisthenics Movement has entered the chat.
both of you are destroying jeff's claims
Yeah, I reckon it's because of his video 😅.
On a serious note, can You and Daniel talk about the value of Muscle Ups for people (like myself) that have a hooked acromion? I'm considering giving up on training for Bar Muscle Ups based on Jeff Cavaliers' video.
yep. a direct response
4:35 if you've seen Jeff's video
@@johnlee7699 muscle ups are not a part trick if don't right
The way he talks about doing it with momentum and it's more about technique
But if you do it with no momentum and clean form you will feel the difference
Good job blokes
Very civil and well versed response. Daniel and you both clarified this beautifully.
Sayonil Mollah indeed!!! No wonder both, CaliMove and Fitness FAQs, give you a thorough understanding of each exercise and movement.
#JEFFISLEGIT
kateyeb lebnen they are both legit.
@@roufeyel7866 Being legit doesn´t mean he can´t be wrong sometimes. He actually makes a few good points in his video, which are adressed in the response. It´s more of a matter of approach to training.
Conclusion: Only execute the bicep push-up with blue shorts.
Exactly
@ It might have been easy to perform but doing it with pants and slippers on a long term basis will rather work the triceps and lead to muscle imbalance.
@@dragonwater5773 nailed it, for beginner progressions start with a blue top, hat and pants, slowly work up to blue shorts and no shirt as this is the most advanced progression
@@VanillaNukaCola you should get to shorts only with other exercises or else you'll injure yourself
Yep
fitnessfaqs and calimove, a breath of fresh air compared to other fitness youtubers
@VanillaNukaCola Go watch Athlean-X, at least you will learn something good and "which works"
@@ap9503 I tend to watch them all and apply what works for me, I prefer the two I mentioned as they are more in line with my goals
@@VanillaNukaCola Solid
@VanillaNukaCola It's more like High IQ vs Medium IQ fitness youtubers lol
4:35 dude i laugh out loud when i watched that reference to Jeff video
Yeaaaah that was amazing
Jezz this shit getting serious 😂
😂😂😂
I was dead 😂
I can't believe I laugh that much
The beef between calimove and athlean x is coming.
Absolutely Vincent
But Calimove is better
Vincent Lmfaoooo
It's a threesome it seems, first Jeff, second Daniel, then El Eggs.
@@JohnCraic89 Calling it now lmao.
I find this debate very interesting. As someone who integrated the biceps push-up into my regular workout, I did feel a dangerous amount of tension in my wrists, and not enough tension in my biceps, to the point where I just had to phase it out and replace it entirely. Jeff's video was very well put together, and a lot of his points regarding load and bicep function resonated with me.
Watching this video, however, I wonder if my form was just off and I never bothered to correct it. What's also important to note for those watching, is that at the end CaliMove and Jeff both end up at basically the same conclusion: Although the biceps pushup may be effective to some extent most of the work falls on your triceps and shoulders, and both give examples of the chin-up and inverted rows as good examples of more effective bicep building exercises.
Both channels seem to have very good points for their case for or against the exercise. I hope this debate keeps civil and informative, and doesn't turn into a shit flinging contest like some past CZcams fitness arguments have. Thanks for the fantastic content, CaliMove!
You should also check out FitnessFAQs as he posted a vidro on the topic too. But only only because of that. His content is as good as Calimove's. And he is a very likeable person.
To add to your comment though, my wrists are also weak and not flexible like yours, so I avoid the biceps hand placement shown in the video and do them with my wrists turned out.
It places less strain on the wrists but the biceps are completely our of the picture this way. Insane shoulder exercise though, just as intended.
Both channels seem very mature. I'm sure that if this debate continues, it'll be civil. It's been great to watch and I've learned a lot!
@@cithr0963 Thanks, I'll try that next workout!
DigiJoJoNarutard 1253 The “work” falls on those muscles, but the biceps is still under great tension even though it isn’t going through much range of motion. Even though it isn’t great for hypertrophy, that isn’t really the point of the excercise. It is supposed to strengthen the tendons and the elbow join in that mechanically disadvantageous position. It is really useful because strength in that position carries over to common harder variations of certain exercises that require a strong supinated straight arm position.
I'm back and all I can say is that there is no calisthenic channel that explains it better. Thanks Calisthenic movement!
They are the Jeff Nippard of calisthenics
4:30. "If you are simply not strong enough to stabilize in these positions, You will Fall"
Me: Oooffff.... 😷
Same repeat just like Jeff’s video lol
he got a 3rd degree burn🔥🔥🔥
That was straight up savage
On each repeat I was Oofffing! Lol
Lol
Finding a happy medium between this channel and Athlean-X: the message here is that the bicep push-up can be effective IF you do it correctly, and doing so is very difficult. Athlean-X says that there are far easier ways to work the bicep at home. So from a certain POV, both channels are correct in their relative positions.
Exactly, people are focusing in how both channels are picking a fight. I believe both have valid points and they complement each other
SteVeL It’s not that simple though. Yes, a bicep curl is great for working biceps and will be great for hypertrophy. But does a bicep curl help you build greater straight arm bicep strength? That is the main reason why the biceps pushup is special in the first place.
Simple,dont work on ur bicep with push "thing" exercise
@@darkninja___ completely agreed
@@darkninja___ You worded it nicely. I like Athlean X and have used alot of what Jeff says but for me personally, I want the mobility and athleticism of martial artists and gymnasts. So this and Daniel's channel are my go to for what they can do with bodyweight exercises
I just wanted to say how much have your videos evolved over the years, particularly looking at this one, you're going deeper into the science behind all this and I absolutely love it. Not that you weren't going deep before, but now with the animations, the information you're trying to pass onto people is even clearer. So simply keep up the great work!
that’s like 5 different people making videos about this in last 3 days.
yeah
Well it's a response. Fitness FAQ's and we did a video about the Biceps Push Ups about 2 years ago. czcams.com/video/9cfN_mSzsOM/video.html
Jeff saw those videos and made a video out of it. Now we're just showing why his version can't work.
Yeahh its interesting,why u work on bicep with push exercise while u can do other better thing😷
That's not a coincidence
Everybody be loosing their bicep muscle mass over bodyweight it seems
Now make a video about "Why Muscle Ups are not just a Party Trick"
Good Idea :D
@@calimove fuck yes mate make it! Can't wait for that!
@@calimove YES GOOD IDEA.
Waiting for that video 📹
@@calimove im waitiiing!! :D
Your examples, as well as stretching, flexibility, are so important. The flexibility part is completely overlooked in 98% of gym workouts, but as you get older, I'm 63, both hips replaced and former runner, I try to do many of your exercises with ease. It's difficult to get to the floor easily, but practicing flexibility makes the effort easier. I wished I found this type workout much earlier in my life, but playing American football, and Arnold were the mentality then, I am so much stronger using body weight and recommend younger people take this direction, you will look great, feel and be stronger, and enjoy ease of movement longer.
"The bicep pushup is a good exercise"
Jeff cavalier: "so you have chosen death..."
I doubt he will make a followup video
@@nomercy8989 he already pissed himself looking at those clean bicep pushups
@@nomercy8989 He made a clip on this and he was so wrong.
@@alxnd_r6345 Alright, go ahead and perform these "bicep" pushups.
And let me know how your wrists feel.
@@ap9503 you have wrist pain cause you didn't prepare your body to do such excercise, you need some good wrists strength and mobility to perform it. It's not an exercise to build biceps, but a complex progression for planche push ups. I now use them to train but I properly worked before starting doing them to prepare my wrists, my shoulders, biceps and tendons to do it and now I have no problem in doing them.
Hope this will help you
4:34 Lol. You even imitate Jeff's falling repeatedly. :D
Imagine of Jess shows up with blue shorts in his next video
No Jeff imitated it lol this video is earlier
@@hereraherera1297 imagine replying to a 1 year old comment where you don't know what was happening back then. Alex himself said that this is a response to Jeff, so Jeff's was earlier.
Moral of the story: never mess with calisthenics.
Ever
Why
Sigh
@@mathieul4303 L
yep, better look like shit than actually work out
Now that's the hidden science behind those biceps push-ups, u guys are awesome keep up the best work lots of luv and support from INDIA🇮🇳
This video is extremely informative and detailed. The graphics also make it a lot easier to grasp. It not only explains why the biceps push up works, but also teaches you how to do it properly.
The quality of content on this channel is amazing. They show so many details but in a simple to understand manner. Your guidance is so effecient.
The amazing work you guys do.. this is a true preparation for exercising your body consciously, thanks a lot!
thanks for making this video it is extremely informative
I thought the same hahaha
shit got real
@@bani8204 lol me too
@@bani8204 🤣🤣🤣
@@bani8204 ok
I don't know a better calisthenics channel than CalisthenicMovement. Their knowledge and the way they explain everything is pure gold. Thank you men!!
I have watched & learned from so many of your videos that when I first did this exercise, I didn't have to look for any tutorial. I automatically adjusted and caliberated my whole body accordingly.
This was a super informative video. I find this so much cooler than the average HIIT workout routines you get everywhere. It must have taken a lot more time to make as well. Would be great to see more videos of this kind in the future.
I love the response. But the meme is the meme:
Civil War!
Thank you for a classy and well reasoned response to this on going discussion. Much respect.
THANK YOU! I've been waiting for exactly this video to clear my doubts. And wow, you guys made it super clean and fast.
Keep up the quality content.
4:35 Jeff cavaliere wants to know your location
Everyone: HE'S RESPONDING TO JEFF
Me: He's finally revealed his gov't name is truly El Eggs 😏
I always heard Alex
Alex
@@dizking743 it's a meme on the channel
The Filipino Assassino so is his actually name Alex
@@dizking743 No it's El Eggs
I really like the deep dive into biomechanics. I'd love to see more of this in the future!
Calistenichs Movement obrigado por ensinar a Calistenia por completo, acredito que várias pessoas no Brasil acessa seu canal todos os dias. Vocês ensinam e facilitam o esporte de uma maneira que quase nenhum ginásio ou acadêmica faz...
ho boi... I'll have to come back to this video in a few days just for the comments.
Weiter so, Jungs!
I understand Jeff, it's harder to do it properly and he also said you can train like this but it easier to injure yourself.
Many people like to do more than they can, later they complain about their stupidity.
It's better to progress slow and properly than rush and hurt yourself.
There are other "easier" great biceps exercises that you can do :)
Yass,but calimove fans will not like this.
@@idawati460 look at calimove guys and look at jeff, they are different, jeff does fitness mainly for aesthetics & health, calimove does fitness for skill training & health also, IMO jeff looks much better than these guys, but sven and alex do perform calisthenics to a much higher degree than jeff.
What a time to be alive!! The level of research and detail in this video. Biomechanics. How little do we know of our own body.
This is the stuff Im here for. Extremely detailed, well made exercise instructions to do something the right way. Doing something ALMOST right and doing it right can be completely different.
Thank you, keep up the good work!
When Im done with Physio, Ill be back at your calisthenics training ;)
One of the best channel for Calisthenics content ever! You inspired me to build Calisthenics channel to spread this great workout and positive vibe of working out anywhere anytime by using bodyweight. Hope I can grow my channel like you guys did. Das beste!
Great content you got there!
Keep it up!
Subscribed! Keep spreading about calisthenics mate!
Thank you all for the support!
Nice,I did the wrong version of this exercise at first then I watched Jeff's video about this, after that I decided not to do it anymore, now I'm gonna continue my practice,thank you.
Doing skin the cats on a bar or rings in a supenated wrist position it will also stimulate the bicep in a similar way
Just lift some heavy thing or if u have pull up bar just do chinup.Train bicep with push exercise? This why i stand Jeff even im calistenic practitioner.
@@idawati460 it's not just abt biceps, it's also about planche
Always like to listen, talk to the point lessons. Majority of you-tubers wasting our time for marketing , but this channel is always straightforward. Have something to learn new always.
Appreciate your efforts and keep it up.
I would say this is real knowledge sharing.
Fantastic work. I appreciate bringing gymnastics into the decision
You guys read my mind. I was just thinking, "When are they going to make the biceps push-up response video?". Great content, as usual.
Response to what?
Agrhonak athlean x
I'm glad i decided to do actual research and finding this guy before listening to any of Chris Heria's suggestions. If i listened to Chris Heria i might have seriously injured myself. Thank you for this information.
Calimove and fitnessfaq
Look no more
Wow, I liked Daniel's recent video on this subject, but you take the insight to a whole new level. I especially loved the explanations with the angles and forces.
I like your explanation much better than Fitness FAQs's explanation -- yours is more in depth, scientific & has better graphics to explain your points.
Thanks!
And, keep up the great work! And thanks for all the great stuff!
i love how this debate is going !
Instead just arguing they both give clarification in which point the agree and disagree
They ( Blue short, daniel and Carrot cake ) educate their audience while still maintaining and straighent out their point 💪
this is why i love the fitness industry
Lol
4:35 roasted athlean x
Very honest response.Thanks for clearing that up.
Every day i was coming to the channel anxious for that video!!!
el eggs is an absolute madman
I know this was done with respect, but I still find it god damn hilarious when two well known channels indirectly/directly call out the other.
El Eggs, Sven, Daniel, and Jeff. Love you all guys, and I've learned form you all.
This is great content and an awesome discussion 👍
As a physical therapist myself i loved this video, the argumentation and the fact you highlighted Sven is a physical therapist as well, at the beginning. I made a weird face too when i saw his video, even if i have a huge respect on him. Well played guys.
"If you not strong enough you will fall.." that savage move takes me all the way out lmao. Things can't get any more real than this. We should brace ourselves a war is coming.
Plot twist: Jeff does bicep pushups when nobody's looking.
Whenever I want to find the best illustrations of exercises I always keen to come to this channel . Also this exercise do not require any equipment and we can perform this at home during this lockdown period. Nice work.
Amazing detailed analysis. Wish there are other exercises analyzed to this extreme but yet digestible level
CaliMove - Putting the science back in strength
Calimove squad, what now Jeff? XD
You guys just don’t falter with the content. Excellent video
I love the scientific breakdown of the exercise, please make more videos like this for other exercises!
4:35 lol He did the same edit as Jesse did
why beef between my 2 favorite channels is funny for me??
Absolutely amazing video! You guys are doing an excellent job!
Great video! Very educational. I think is great to have this kind of in-depth look of uncommon excercises.
OOOOOOOH BOI ! my 2 fav channels are now fighting :D here it comes
can't side with any of them as Athlean X and Calimovement my 2 fav channels ever
can't wait to see if Jeff gonna respond xD
ps: it's not a fight it's a debate it just fun to watch
What to respond? He was wrong...
@@yzxz9012 yeah calimove was wrong.
Just when i was thinking about calisthenics movement to make a video on this topic🤣
This is one of my favorite videos of this channel I have seen all for then but this explain de movement with more scientific structure. Thank you very much hope you could update more videos like this one. Greetings from the Dominican Republic 😀
Amazing, truely master! No word to show my respect and admiration!!!
Well, it's good to try out during home workouts
You're here tooo? 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@Visic me too bro!
Such a joy to learn from and watch.
So happy the calisthenics community is coming back hard to expose the fact that Jeff Cavaliere is not infallible
His fanboys will literally call anyone that doesn't agree with Jeff not credible
Read the comments of FitnessFAQS' original bicep pushups video and you'll want to punch some those dudes
They made the same arguments as him, but with a different conclusion. Jeff said that the exercise gives some tension to the bicep but it's not enough.
@@svetlinnikolov8710 many missed the point of this debate, jeff showed why biceps push up is not great for biceps development, calimove and daniel showed why planche push up is a good exercise, if we watch jeffs new video about getting strong fast at home, he shows us biceps push up as a great exercise for the long head of the triceps, this videos are less relatable to each other than we think.
The ultimate collab between fitness FAQ's Athlean X and calisthenics Movement after quarantine!! Thumbs up of you agree
Loving sensible conversations.
This channel and Athlean X are all you need 👌🏻👏🏻
7:29 It is the first time ever I hear you saying "MALTESE" in this channel.
Is this an reply to Athlene X.....
O yeah... It is.
Love you videos anyways.
Very self-explanatory, as always. Quality comes first!
BTW. You guys have a great calisthenics programmes. Can't wait to buy advanced stuff.
I've never worked out before, the simple daily routine and morning stretches worked well enough to keep me unhealthy. But with quarantine I've seriously noticed a loss of tone and weakness all around... /: thank you for your channel I am sure I will find the sience behind working out and hopefully learn to enjoy the activity, mostly because I know what I am doing completely and why. Awesome channel!!
I think we should ask Vshred about this 😂
Tom Böswetter dude that’s genius 😂
This situation reminds me of Jeff talking about muscle ups 🤭
They should make video about it 🤭
As always , great informations and eye pleasing movements 👍🏻
athlean x put in his place
how tf is this 46 degrees? 😂 1:15
yes it's a mistake. Must be 135° or so
Yeah, it's 180-46 = 134
It's an editing error.
I love it so much. Excellent expanation and funny in a subltle way. (and response in a subtle way lol)
I want more like buttons for this video.
Thoo this video is a step ahead in terms of quality good job calimove! Would be awesome if you keep this kind of deep explanation with more muscle groups!
Science b**ch!!! Amazing video!! Never seen such incredible combination of information for one single movement in one video. The details...God! Thanks El and Sven!
Why do you hate Athlean X ? 😂
Jeff is a legend!!
Maybe they just want to say the thruth :)
Jeff literally went after their bicep pushup exercise video...
Jeff did not say it does not activates the biceps muscle at all. It's just that the contribution is very less and hence chin ups are way better and effective
They don’t hate him just simply disagreed with him about his thoughts on this exercise
Jeff knows he gets more views from negative videos. I really don't like the approach of telling people everything they're doing is wrong to get clicks
I love this back and forth. Even though it seems like Jeff was talking about this as it relates to muscle size for the average joe I love these responses. I wish all of you could actually debate this in real life.
*I support Cali Move!!* 👍
Finally, somebody who puts real science into strenght!
Guys, do you recognize this intro?
0:20
Yeah I noticed that too
Lol i didn't notice that one
Great informative vid, Al-Eggs! This vid is really starting motivate me to start doing ring training to get *Jacked!*
You are the best fitness youtube channel.
Wish you all the best
Anyway, in the end, all agreed it's not the best biceps exercise!
My route here: AthleanX > Fitness FAQs > Calimove
thanks for this supertips. i couldn't understand this exercise before, now i can do it without harm myself
Very well explained. A lot of people fail to incorporate biomechanics in their perception of how exercises target the muscles. They simply think of, which movement occur, which you can't allways rely on - as the case with the biceps pushup, where you actually extend the elbow joint. It doesn't mean tricep activation, again because of biomechanics.
But whether or not it should be advocated depends on the goal of the athlete, as it is very easy to set up equipment to do bicep curls in your home using a towel and a door, which is much better in biceps developement.
Youtoubers are in bettle for biceps push up
Dr.Oliver D youtoubers in bettle...? More like treiners in fait
@@SuPerDuPerKorean2 You didn't got it, i mean that they are talking for the same thing
Dr.Oliver D didn’t got it....? Some grammatic errors you got doc...
@@SuPerDuPerKorean2 I thought that was supposed to be some eastern Europe accent
Wow. I came here from athlean X's video about the bicep push ups. To be honest, I expected this to be total bs because Jeff already explained it in detail why this is not good. But after watching this, I just realised it really pays to have an open mind and always listen to both sides. If athlean x did it in detail, cal mov did it in wayyyyy more details which explains why it really is a good exercise. Also, "It's not an exercise to build massive biceps" justifies it because not all training needs to be focused on gains.
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