The Best Porsche 911 That ISN'T a GT3 or Turbo | Save $33,000
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2023
- All modern 911s that don't fall into the "GT" or "Turbo" categories are often forgotten about in serious Porsche discussions, simply because they're part of the Carrera lineup. The new 992 GTS proved to me today that the best all-season, four-seater daily driver money can buy was sitting in front of us the whole time. Enjoy.
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You left out one major factor in comparing to the other cars, the 911 is the only one that you can get in a manual.
YES! The quickest turbocharged 911 you can still buy with a manual as well. Great point and a huge win.
Do they offer the GTS with a manual?
@@Mike-dy8sj Sure do, all 911’s are available in a manual except a base Carrera, Turbo, and GT3 RS.
@@Mike-dy8sjof course
that's (a huge part of) what makes the 992 911 GT3 my absolute #1 choice of any car.
have never owned an automatic. #2 would be an italia, with a turbo s behind that.
GTS is my summer car!!! Love it!! Put a M tune and you'll have 650 hp!!
Crazy how fast even a base 911 is nowadays...that 4 GTS is borderline supercar performance...and the Turbo S is just insane
They get walked by M3s, wouldn't say they are anything impressive
As tested by Car and Driver, GTS does 1/4 mile in 10.9 @ 128mph, M3 Competition gets it done in 11.1 @ 124 mph. Base Carrera, yes, will get walked by an M3.
@@snffz3492not a GTS lol. Even the old 991.2 GTS is faster than the M3 G80 on the nurb. And yes it’s impressive because it has not a lot of power and torque compared to competitors. In a straight line, I have never seen a car having these performances with this weight and less than 500hp. This car has supercar performance, it’s better than a Honda NSX type S in 0-60, 1/4 mile, track, lateral G, braking ( mototrend )
@@snffz3492 BS!! MP3’s have ZERO against most 992’s, especially on the track. End of story.
@@bentleygucci mp3s are just audio files. There’s no reason you should be listening to music on the track.
Great Porsche in a cool colour. The body is not actually the “Turbo body”. All 992s have the wider body shell as a basis used previously and there isn’t a true “narrow body”. The turbo body got even wider rear fender flairs. The Sport Classic uses the turbo body shell but they fabricated new rear fenders that are the same as the turbo without the air intake holes.
Yes, very slightly wider. Probably not noticeable unless they're side by side. This one I drove was fitted with the same tire spec as the Turbo and Turbo S no problem. 255/35/20 and 315/30/21.
Uh it’s noticeable. You were wrong. He corrected you. Thank him.
Every all-wheel-drive Porsche has a turbo body
The rear fenders and back end on the Turbo, Turbo S, and Sport Classic looks truly huge in person beside a 911 Carrera model
@RoadsUntraveled I don't wanna be that guy. But the gts only got 305s not 315s only turbo and gt spec cars got 315s. Gts got everything that the 4s got body spec wise but less sound deataning and better suspension slight hp increase
😂😂 Objects in the mirrors are losing😂
The 911 GTS is just perfection. I’d rather get this than a GT3 even if there wasn’t a price difference. More practical for everyday use and I like so much more the clean silhouette.
"Greta Hates This" - Earned a thumbs up just for that... The owner has a great sense of humor.
Your channel is great. First video of yours that I’ve seen. I am subscribing.
Cool video! Keep it up homie
Wonderful color and spec! I just bought my dream car: a 992 C2GTS cabriolet!
Not so long ago i tried out a 992 carrera 4s (i assume it's very close in terms of feeling to the gts ,maybe a little bit softer ) . This was my 1st 911 eyperience. It was surprisingly fast for 450hp( i have driven a Taycan turbo before and it wasn't that much faster for 680 hp). I didn't feel the need for more power. It was plenty fast for me. At the first few corners it was understeery but after the front got some temp it was AWESOME ! This 992 is soo easy to handle it gives you confidence. Even if you push the car over the limit it's very forgiving and playful (It's not a very sharp hardcore sportscar though but it's a perfect allrounder) . The engine is also a masterpiece. It's not very powerful under 3k rpms but after it's insane and the throttle reaction is crazy good for a turbo engine. At high rpms it feels like an NA engine(and sounds). I can understand now the hype for the 911. This car deserves it without a doubt!
This is all (and much more) than most ppl need unless you’re doing track days.
Well it is a turbo....... Just not a TURBO
Love my 22 Carrera S Cab MANUAL, I daily it! Great review.
Had a 991.1 Carrera s with almost all the gts options and adored that car. Had plenty of power and still had the N/A growl. Wish I still had it
I bet this 992 rocks!
I have a similar 991 S and love It! It's a poor man's GT3!
@@bwdrives stop it, Cayman = fake 911.
Thanks for the awesome video!! 🤙🏼🔥
Yo! Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
When handling is so good, too much good, you need more power.... when a value becomes a defect
This spec is amazing!
The only thing that really sucks is that GT3s are so much more expensive than they used to be, even compared to the 991. The 991.1 GT3 started at $131,000, The new 992 starts at $183,000, with the GTS starting around $150,000. Come one Porsche.
I had a 1999 996 Carrera 4 that had a sticker of $83K. The dollar is 30% less valuable in 2023 than it was in 2014 when the 991.1 GT3 came out, and more people want Porsches now than back then. They aren't running a charity.
Inflation and DEMAND. the GT3 is still a pretty good deal if you can get one
@@roypeterkathanks Biden!
@@jonasirw1 that’s an easy target, but the Euro is 25% less valuable today than 2014, and Biden wasn’t responsible for the Euro.
Now double those numbers and you got the prices in Finland. =(
Ha.. My blue car made it in another one of your videos :) I think your wow's in thus video might be different had you just stepped out of my car, 😂 love your color choice 😂
I like how you compare the competitors' offerings to the 911 in regards to rear seating when the 911 can barely qualify as having rear seats except for small children, LOL. I guess if you have a family it's better than a two-seater assuming you're daily driving this car.
Crazy cool color!
I'm 2:34 in, and I still don't know the specific model you're testing, much less the engine/drivetrain.
I spec’d my 992 GTS as GTS as I could get it. With a manual, lightweight package and buckets. Having driven the PDK 992 GTS, & Turbo S around Birmingham for a couple days and my own car I suggest you try out a LW Manual RWD 992 GTS if you can get your hands on one. It’s quite a different experience. I wouldn’t spec mine any other way.
I did the same and 7sp, comes in 7 weeks.
Sounds like you are flying to Orlando to drive my base 996 Carrera
Rear spoilers on Carrera’s need to change. Looks like the trunk is open.
Yeah I don’t like it either. The duck tail on the sport classic is dope. I’d take that or nothing.
My biggest gripe on the modern 911s...
Every single time I build these on the website, I hit $160,000 like its nothing. I would still probably take this over a GT3, but that $25k discount isn't that huge. These things are damn expensive now.
160.000 is nothing for that car! I know someone who bought the 4gts cab and it starts at around 170.000€ and in the end it was 210.000€. Great car, I drive it sometimes, it’s really astonishing!
And the sound is way better in person btw 😉
You’re not getting a gt3 for 190. The adm is 40-50k easily, while a gts, depending on the market will be list.
$20k more for 30hp and 30 lb ft of torque more than a C4S is just silly. Besides those two things they're the same exact car. In fact, mechanically they ARE the same car. Get the C4S then put on a stage 1 tune from m-engineering and you're at about 500hp and 450 lb ft of torque and it only cost you $2500. Get an aftermarket exhaust for around $6-10k and then you can do a stage 2 tune and you're above Turbo numbers with 600 hp and 620nm of torque.
Most options people would get on S, like sports package, wheels, light, that's already $12k. That's not even including sports design and blacked out theme. Also they are not mechanically same, there are lots of difference.
@@jedfeng748 They literally have the same engine. Why are people so fucking stupid. You can find this information right on Porsche website. Why be dense?
C4s will never be the same as GTS, you just know by reading the site. I bet you can’t afford any 911😅
My 997.1 is a Carrera 4, non-s. The VF supercharger and tune is 500hp and it's really f'n quick! Too bad I'm stuck with the tiptronic, but nitpicking...
Great video. Personally I think Carrera 4 is the best choice for majority of 911 owners.
Maximum fun go C2S rather than C4S. 4 is just a little too safe and planted to the ground.
Targa 4 gts is even better
I would loosen the grip that you have on the steering wheel by not wrapping your thumbs around it. You’ll get better feedback from the steering, you’ll shift a lot better and you won’t put your hands in as much danger in case of an accident. It’s a little weird at first but eventually you’ll see the benefits.
A gen
Simply put
I almost had an aneurysm at the amount of swirl marks at 0:17
Which headlights are those? I’m spec‘ing out a carrera s and don’t know which to go for
This one has the LED Matrix which give a “x” signature instead of the 4 dot as daytime running lights.
In your list of sporty car choices, I think the G8X M3/4 platforms also compare really well. Options of coupe/sedan (and wagon outside of North America), AWD/RWD, manual/auto, and up to 503hp from a twin turbo inline 6. When you consider that they start at ~$70k and top out at just over $100k, it’s a legit offering.🤷🏾♂️
Edit: I keep getting pinged so I’ll reiterate that in his quick list he mentions: GTR, Audi R8, AMG GT, and Vantage. Had he stopped there, I wouldn’t have mentioned the G8X chassis since those are all strict sports cars. But once the Continental, LC500, and M8 were tossed in the mix, all of which are strict GT cars with nothing close to the cornering/lateral performance envelope of a 911… the G8X just made sense as an alternative to me.
I love M3/M4's. I just bought my 991.2 GTS from a guy because he needed to clear up some cash in the short term, he grabbed G82m and tells me all the time how much better the Porsche is and wishes he still had it... My other M4 buddy has an F82 and he's in the same boat.
@@jedediahsmart569 neither of your friends are wrong in their assessment. I had a 997.1 C2S previously. While it can’t match the everyday car aspects of my G80 (family hauling and such), it’s abilities on a backroad were absolutely sublime. I miss that car!!! BUT in terms of cars currently available that offer various power levels, shapes, drivetrains, and options close to the Porsche configurator; the G8X chassis fits the bill. And you can get small SUVs X3/4 with the same engines where the Macan isn’t available with the 911 powertrains.
I have a 23 80 comp x … it’s wicked … especially from a dig
I had a G82 before my 992. Because the 992 is 600 pounds lighter the power to weight ratio is about the same for both. But the 992 just blows the G82 away in terms of handling. 992 is in an entirely different league.
@@plasmac9 agreed!!! I’d say that applies to every generation of 911 versus the same year/gen M3, at least dynamically. I only brought up the G8X platform because of the given list of sporty car alternatives from the video. As in one is shopping and the 911 doesn’t work for whatever reason. In my case, I needed four usable seats and preferred a sedan. Even if cost wasn’t an issue, the 911 doesn’t fit my life as a single car the way my G80 does.
What year is this car and does it come in a manual gear box? ❤
I never driven a Porsche but something tells me I should lol hopefully this will happen in my near future and I don’t think 🤔 most people will even think one is that much better than the other because they’re all awesome 👏
I drove a few super cars on track including a 991.2 GT3RS - I bought a 991.2 GTS shortly thereafter.
Iv driven Vipers, R8s, Lambos to 488s and settled on a 911...You get most of all the Goods with Least of all the bads.
Plus they're reliable by sports car standards
I rented every sports car under $250k a few years ago, settled on GT3. When I figured out rear engine cornering, game over
Saw this car at Spanish banks at cars and coffee
The targa 4 gts looks even better imo its more $$ tho especially with dealership markups
I have tuned 992 Carrera 2 GTS and its been a big adjustment from a 991.1 Carrera S. Its less fun in town due to the turbo lag and PDK shift points.
Hey there! I just bought a 23 Macan GTS. I love it so much, might want to trade it in on a 992 GTS. We were just at the 75th anniversary party last night and sat in one. I am concerned about your comment as we live in the city and most driving will be urban. I will take it to the track and autocross events, but it’s def a daily driver for me. The Macan has power throughout and fun in the city. Do you think I’d be better sticking with it over the 992? I’m worried about the low end power you’re talking about. Thanks.
@@glucia2223 I think I am a minority. I am just picky with 911's. Maybe you should go drive a GTS or a Carrera S and you can check it out?
@@mwm33333 Agreed. They are still just hard to come by here in the PNW. I am involved with the PCA and will be going to some events. People said I can drive theirs, but I would like to drive it around Seattle, where I live. There’s a pretty sweet GTS for sale right now in Oregon that I have my eyes on. I don’t know if it’s a smart move though. Out set up is pretty great with the Macan GTS and EV Smart Car. I’d have to change everything up if I get the 911. But the 911 is a 911….
Right?! Turbo lag is so heavy! I used to love the immediate response of my 991.2 gts. But the new models are too laggy! I thought I was the only one that thought this
@@cryptofundmanager oh interesting. Yes I find it laggy but im coming from a manual natural aspirated 991.1. Actually in manual mode its pretty similar to the old car. So a lot of it is just the shift points w the PDK. Hard to really pinpoint. I've decided my ideal car would probably be a manual GT3 :)
Man, all this a headache 😅 if you broke glad I can enjoy watching you be fancy 😉
I feel like it’s either base or S, or GT or turbo. The GTS is a weird in-between that’s still getting near $200k.. I’d rather spend a bit more and go GT3(even if it’s a 991)
The gts and gt3 are 20-30k marked up not even talking getting all the add ons and specs
@@user-my4xu4gf1z they are more than that on the used market not new.
I’ll take the GTS rear wheel drive with a manual. PLEASE! That color will be fine
Thinking of 992 or 718. Thoughts?
Brandon, great car... please pay someone to do 2 step paint correction 👍
I see you with the Lucid Motors hat 👀
;)
992 C2S with manual and rear wheel steering is waaaaay too much for the streets. Amazing vehicle.
GTS Coupe comes with SPASM as standard. Targa and Cabrio only get PASM
I wonder how this would compare against M4 competition xDrive in performance? Haven't found anything on this
That's probably its closest BMW competitor... Not in price but in performance. I'd imagine the GTS 4 is quicker around a track with more grip but I haven't looked into that.
Quarter mile would be close. But I don’t think the M4 would be able to keep up on a track. The 911 is 200kg lighter and has much more grip with its wider stance and fatter tires.
M4 gets dusted on track, see C&D Lightning Lap Every Car
One is a boat and another is a boat. The only difference is one has a dagger board.
That car is stock ride height??? Looks lowered and doesn’t seem like stock ride quality
It is lowered. Good eyes 👍🏼
4 GTS will be my first Porsche
Is it Ruby Star?
I owned a 2006 Carrera S and it was 0 to 60 in 3.2 and only paid 44 grand for it in 2018
Facts. But theres something even better (No AWD tho). Carrera T with GTS Turbos and a Tune. Best 911 bang for buck.
What color is that looks amazing
It's called Rubystone or Ruby Star. It's a 3000 dollar option
@morgan von Sweet!! & only 3g option not bad. 👍🏻👍🏻
Greta hates this 🤣
Fast enough for me.
I’d rather get a naked GT3 than a fully equipped GTS
Me too. But to get an allocation on a GT3 if you don’t have connections is like winning a lottery
@@1980blingbling True. Maybe the used car marked is an option. Prices are not much higher than MSRP
Pink 30hp less ,CONFIRMED !
Ccloawns..
911s❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Almost a full second faster than 991.2 GT3 w/ manual
10:35 👍
Not AWD?
TTRS
The thing thats really fucked up since speculators started buying if you actually drive these cars and put miles on them the value falls through the floor. There are so many 2 year old cars with less than 1000 miles on the clock. GT3, 7 months old in my OPC with 45 miles on the clock and they will sell the same flipper another one. I have 4 Porsches and love the cars but Porsche GMBH and their dealers well what can you say......
The 3.0L twin turbo ain't a "Turbo", and the turbo-less Taycan Turbo is a "Turbo".
Whats the color?
if it's a porsche color I think it's rose red
Rubystar
Seats 4 people. I don't think so
It actually does if you’re below 5’10
Mine does...LOL.
The most beautiful Porsche is the carrera 4s
Yes actually the GT3 is by miles the best most fun Porsche on sale today. U just gotta use ur brain a bit n get narrower tires so u can actually enjoy the car on public roads.
BMW M4 competition xdrive cheaper more power more space & AWD , 4seats , more tunable then the 992 gts & u cane get a much better exhaust sound if u modified it then modifying the exhausts of the GTS , bigger community , more tune parts...
Turbo body is different, what's standardized is the widebody layout. Turbo body is wider than this.
Actually all 992 are the same width.
This thing is humongous nowadays it resembles a large raunchy American car.
185,000$ better be good 🤦♂️
All Porsches have the same problem with the steering wheel In the way of the dash boards
Yep
Minimizing the display takes care of that problem. I don’t mind it at all.
@@PJ-ps3vv wait what do you mean?
Everything you need to know is visible.
I wish they’d stop prosers from doing “evaluations” on cars they spend 2 hours driving the shit out of…..only to get back into their Kia Sorentos.
Talk to owners !
Damn I get tired of this crap !
Good luck with those maintenance costs. 😂 Tesla maintenance costs are almost $0.
0:12 That's a very bad sticker job. Yikes
Year round? Haha
Honest Q: Why not just get a new Nissan GTR?
The 992 is turbocharged! Stopped watching immediately after seeing the disconnect, was this intentional deception?
What year is it?
Im getting me a 991 C4 GTS
Targa 4 gts better
I’d rather have a Lexus GsF than a Carerra
The 911 is definitely not a sports. Especially the Turbo and Turbo S. Yoh just put your foot down and it goes fast and pretend like it’s exciting or engaging.
This is now a supercar.
I like this car. The GT3 is doing too much the Turbo also doing too much
It's a great middle ground. I have yet to drive the 992 turbo or 992 GT3 though.
GT3 is only good on the track. For your everyday roads, the ride is too harsh. It also doesn’t have the torque of the GTS or Carrera S. GTS will smoke the GT3 on 0-60.
Is it the video quality or something cause what’s up with this color? 🤨
Save 33k....but still over 150k lol
I'll take whatever savings I can get over in 911 land
@@RoadsUntraveled definitely
Did you say the 2023 “base” Carrera has 473 hp ?
Are you an owner….or a “journalist” who conned a dealership out of the keys for an afternoon of creating another “if I don’t know, I’ll make it up” CZcams video ?
Nope, never said that.
Targa for me anyday
The headlights 🤢🙅
Carrera 4 gts not carrera gts 4
It’s 4 GTS
Not GTS 4
As nice as these cars are, they are not worth the price of admission. This is especially true in recent years. If you're purchasing with pocket change then it likely matters not, but if you are a well healed individual that still needs to work within the confines of some sort of financial reality, the price/value equation is not there any more. These cars are fast becoming status symbols more than anything else. Unfortunately. They were always status symbols to some degree, of course, but this is on a whole other level now (and in a very short period of time).
The main aspect that is making this be the case is the fact that Porsche is intentionally creating artificial demand/supply in their favour by intentionally limiting production, increasing pricing, etc...If this is what works best for them from a business perspective then I guess it makes sense. Hard to argue with from that angle. As a car enthusiast that doesn't help me though...lol
If you're financing a Porsche then I got news for you... you can't afford it.
@@plasmac9 Wow, do you post ridiculous things like this a lot? Absurd.
@@dlj1285 Go finance your Hyundai and keep being poor.
@@plasmac9 YES
Once you drive the gts you know that no other supercar can come close
I mean I wouldn't go THAT far haha.
What long intro!! Bored
Save much more money and buy many more affordable abd good sporst car...250,000 USD Lol😂😂😂
he talks like hes unsure lol do a little more research
Oh lord that colour🤮🤮🤮🤮
Ik its beautiful isnt it... I was going to get a black one but after seeing this color damn now idk
Amazing color right !
I disagree like a bunch!
No thanks.
Not a fan of Porsche after the 997 series. Porsche completely got away from the soul of it's iconic car.
What have you driven in the line up exactly? I have a 991.2 GTS, and I find it twitchy, feeling every damn pebble in the road, and feeling connected to it such as I would on a sport bike. I drove a 991.2 GTRS on a race track and found it similar, but a LOT more feel and stiffness (a lot more noise and loads of top end.) I drove my buddie's 991.1 and it's just like my car, but with way less torque, more top end noise, but the chassis felt similar. My other buddy has a 997 C2S, and it drives similar, but doesn't feel nearly as tight and precise as the 991.1 or 991.2. I would say that the soul of the iconic car is the shape, engine position, and most importantly, it is always at the top of the class, with better performance characteristics as previous generations. Now, I drove an R8 V10+ (2021 I believe) and that car has no soul, no road feel, precision, but like you are on a pillow, it's the opposite of twitchy. Anyway, I wanted to challenge the notion that these have gotten away from the "soul of the iconic car." These cars drive like nothing else and that's what makes them really special - the new cars still hold that statement, so until a Porsche comes out and fanatics say, "it doesn't drive like a Porsche," then I think it has a soul, a very old soul at that.
Totally agree with you Smart. The drive and feels is still right there, just more matured than before and that's what I'm guessing the OP ment...
@@jedediahsmart569 I've pretty much driven all Porsche from the 964 to 991 Turbo S, GT3, GT3RS on the track.
My contention is with the size of the chassis and the overall body size of the car and the way it behaves while you're driving. Although the newer generations tend to be more refined and precise that, however, is not what I'm looking for as it compares to the older models as far as the feel and the sensibility of the older generations. The newer generations tend to be more high-tech which takes away from the manual element of driving. The higher technology seems to be taking more of the burden of the track whereas the older generation had more of a connection with your driving and how you want to drive. I guess what I mean to say is that the older generation are more analog and with much less technology, sort of like the raw machine and the human rather than the high-tech AI designed machine to handle a lot of the hurdles of driving.
997 was a sports car. The 911's that followed are larger. Many people feel they have evolved into Grand touring cars withthe Cayman becoming Porsche's Sports car.
@@wcmontana exactly, the new 911 post 997 seem like a small utility cars or mini Caymans. They lost that true original Porsche sport racing feel IMO.