Old 911 vs new 911: Can an amateur driver beat ex-Stig Ben Collins?
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2023
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Around a track, of course a brand new 911 992 Turbo S is going to beat a 997 Turbo. But what if you put an amateur driver in the 992, and the Stig in the 997? We pitched GoPro CEO Nick Woodman up against Ben Collins to see if it’s possible to take down the Stig with newer machinery.
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Some proper racing in my FAVORITE cars!?
Thank you so much for this video!
Ego's aside the real question is just how much is over a decades worth of Porsche development actually worth in lap time. Great video.
Be good to see Hammond against the stig 👀
Wish they could find a way to hold a shot fir more than 1 sec in this vid. Too many angle changes and too fast
@@gaycha6589They probably had to keep restarting the GoPros. 😂
Just kidding... Mostly. I don't know if the 12 has the same problems.
Y'all gotta get Rubens Barrichello or Vettel to go head-to-head against Ben for a rematch since they were the first to beat him as the Stig
This would be awesome. Drivetribe should definitely push to try and get that sorted.
GAME ON
@@BenCollinsDrives holy cow - guy’s it’s really him, some say he’s wanted by the CIA, and sleeps upside down like a bat - drivetribe invite your boy out for the love of the sweet baby jeezus
@@BenCollinsDrives Yes please 😈
@@BenCollinsDrivesi would contribute money or somwthing to make this happen
Can't express how much joy it brings me to see Ben Collins, Mr. OG STIG himself, as a regular recurring co-host on these episodes!
Not really OG - there was a Stig before him - Black Stig.
But he does feel like "The real Stig". 👌
Can see perry shrugging his shoulders somewhere....
but i agree ben deserves to own the title
@@clausseier True! But he lasted only a few episodes whereas Ben was on for many seasons so I still think of Ben as the OG! Maybe GOAT STIG is a better title?
@@360Pros agreed 👍
Huge respect to Stig for his humility.
humility LOL he changed it so he could win against this guy who'd not seen the circuit before!
Nice guy...and Turbo S is insane
🤣 I read your comment before the video and thought Ben must have lost... I'm not sure you know what humility means!
That's spot on lol @@superderv
These episodes are the true spiritual successor to the old Top Gear. Love it.
Drivier is comedy! @@sg-yq8pm
Not really though
This and AutoAlex! This is more serious and Autoalex is for watching some blokes fooling around.
Thanks!
@@HJ-vs7lfauto Alex and cartrek. If you combined those, you have TG/ GT.
Giving The Stig a run for his money 😉
Santa, Can I have the new HERO 12 black for Christmas!? I have the MAX now. I love the Max but I feel like I personally would have better use with a higher quality single direction camera. 😊
Yeah, that was an impressive time. “Amateur” my a** 😂
Nick that was a truly mega drive. Obviously not your first time on a race track, but the first time on this track and the pressure of going up against the Stig himself. Well done sir.
Ben Collins is genuinely one of the nicest, humblest, people on the internet.
Also the arch nemesis to Jimmy Broadbent.
The difference between the 997 and the 992 was mind blowing, nearly 10.5 seconds on a roughly minute and a half lap. I think we definitely need more of these comparos of 10-20 year old cars vs their modern counter parts. Heck, you could even run an NC vs ND Miata, would probably be interesting, or M5's, Boxters, WRX's, Audi S3/4. This was good stuff.
The 997 was a regular turbo with stick. The 997.2 turbo s had pdk and more power. But yeah still absolutely mental the progress they made in 13 years.
the 997.2 with the pdk would be 2-3 seconds off at most
The s has suspension upgrades
They shouid used fhe 997.2 turbo s and not the turbo. Compare an S with an S
Yeah and both on the same or comparable tires …
What a fantastic video, would definitely love to see more of this variety. Think Ben vs Barrichello revenge lap would be the ultimate content.
I can’t comprehend the difference in time😲 What a piece of machinery 👍
Years ago my first Turbo experience was in a 997 Turbo. Was so impressed by power and ceramic brakes. It wasn’t a sportscar. It felt like a hypercar. It blew my mind. Especially the braking.
Recently drove the 992 Turbo on German autobahn. So easy to drive. And so fast. Mindblowing. And the best thing: all German cars make room for you on the left lane! So decent. So nice. As if they have learned that at birth: when Turbo is coming. We make some room. German society should be proud of what they are capable to build!
I'm kinda blown away by the difference, how fast Nick was, and Ben's lap in the new car. As others have mentioned, some discussion of tires would be interesting as well. They've improved as much as the cars.
The results are pretty jaw dropping, I expected everything to be...closer.
I doubt the 997 was on original N rated tyres, it would be on a later generation
One of the best videos you’ve done in a while. Love the challenges of drivers vs machines. More Stig and guests please.
Thanks 👌
This was awesome, Nick is a quick driver. The content on Drivetribe lately has been epic.
Ben is the STIG. He is a uk Hero to us all and I never doubt him for a sec. Well done Ben.. 👍👍👍
997 will forever be the best looking 911 for me. So sleek yet so tight. Gotta love those smaller nimble cars. The newer car performance is unmatchable but still the older one has that car "soul" thing flowing from it.
Using Ben's two lap times it's almost a one second per year difference between the two models. Pretty amazing.
As an owner of a 997.1T (tip) and 991.2TS, there is no doubt a massive diff in performance in generations. However, I suspect a significant part of the lap time diff (2 sec?) is attributable to stick v PDK in this comparo.
I think you're completely right, however it is a pretty fast circuit so there's definitely not as much time lost to gear shifts as there would be for a tighter circuit.
I can’t see a pdk giving Ben more than a couple of sec in one lap. 13yrs of development on torque vectoring software I could see giving that result
Thruxton is a power circuit. 992 has 25% more power than 997. Modern tyres too
Not only is the difference, a manual gearbox against a PDK! Ben's 997.2 is a turbo as opposed to the 997.2 turbo s of the day!
Boyz .. we need more Ben vs ???? In any car - totally worth watching!!! Do NOT Disappoint
Abit like the hoonigan series but a track time not a drag time. Would be interesting to see.
Nick is definitely on the upper end of amateur, but definitely made it more interesting. Any "regular joe" or "I've done a few track days" level driver would've been nowhere irrespective of equipment.
Fair play to Nick. Happy to see Ben perform so well. All is good. More of this format please ❤
Mate this video was superb I really enjoyed it.
We're glad you enjoyed it!
More Stig content please, it'll never ever get old!!!
awesome as always.thanks for sharing and taking us along
More of this please. Feels like the good old days ❤
Drive Tribe is becoming more like The Grand Tour / Too Gear! I’m Loving It!!! Cheers🎉
To me, 997 is the best contemporary 911. The 991 and especially the 992 are just too big.
As much as you have to enjoy the comparison between two great cars a decade apart, its the personalities of the three of you in this video that was so enjoyable. Do more please. Maybe going even further back with a old classic and a modern day basic hatchback.
One of the best videos I have seen on cars on you tube. Very interesting and it was great not to know the numbers until the end. The stig--what a gentlemen and of course what talent. He really showed what the car could do. And the amateur driver certainly can hold his head up. There is always an almost quantum leap to the pros but he really did well and was a very engaging person. Terrific content in every way!
Well done Ben and obviously the stunning 911.
Really enjoyed this video but I’d like to wave the flag for the 997.
To be precise it was a 992.2 Turbo S PDK vs 997.2 Turbo manual.
The 997.2 Turbo S has over 30bhp more than the Turbo, and also has more torque.
I couldn’t quite tell, but I suspect the 992 did a launch-controlled start whereas the manual Turbo doesn’t have this.
I’m not saying that it would be neck-and-neck, but perhaps the gap between the two wouldn’t have been so dramatic if the 997 was similarly spec’d to the 992.
Or perhaps I’m just defending my own 997.2 Turbo S PDK 🤣
Absolutely agree. I own base 991.2 tt pdk and it beats 992 gts manual on straight also on track because of pdk shifting speed is mental :D
Ben is an absolute gentleman, an amazing talent yet so humble, fair play to him.
A very clever format! Well done, all around!
Is 2010 now considered to be "back in the day"?
I'm 44 and I now feel really old! 😟
I'm 40 and I got the "yeah that old guy there" the other day. Gettin ruff out there. I need bifocals
yeah well around then was the death of hydraulic power steering. 997 was the last one to have it
@@mking9446II am 40, with a 997 👴🏼
@@bastee2727 lucky fucker....I'm rolling a 2017 xse camry
Im only 19 and a 2010 car is still modern to me.
This is some of the best content you guys have put out. Very cool to have the founder of GoPro on, he can wheel a car 😎 you can’t beat watching good drivers lap a really good car around a fast circuit 💯🔥😎❤️❤️❤️❤️ more content like this please 🙏
Great video - gets right to the driving and super entertaining. I have a 911 myself but these newer Turbo's are on another planet.
Great content from Drivetribe,as always!😊
Great video and just goes to show how quickly cars are improving. It would be great to see what a truly amateur driver could do when there is such a disparity with the performance of the car.
Some driving from both guys! Wow,what a car! 👏
Great video. Amazing 11 seconds… that is more than 10% faster overall. Super interesting to see. Thanks guys!
Brilliant! Seriously enjoyed it, well done! 👍
On a race circuit tyres can make a big difference to lap times. Would be interesting to see the same car compared with different tyres but the same driver.
Strongly agreed. So few of these comparos state what the rubber spec is, and it can make seconds per minute of difference.
Clearly not an amateur driver.
If it's not his job he's an amateur.
He's clearly a racing driver though. 😂
If they'd put some little old lady in it, then it would have either been too easy to beat or there would be a risk of wrecking the car. Also not knowing the track makes a difference.
@@clumsygarage1578 pull someone trustworthy off the crew and have them put in a few laps.
@@matthewkuhl79 amateur means they don’t have experience literally being a professional F3 racing driver lol.
What a great video you made watching real awesome people put their all into the race. Fantastic frankly, greats thanks and hats off your the racers for sure!
Great video and nice to feel that bit of tension.
Someone took a 992 Turbo S, put safety/timing/radio equipment in it, and then went and place 2nd OVERALL at Pikes Peak Hillclimb with an essentially “stock” car. The Turbo S is an absolutely mind-bending amount of performance that someone can just go write a check for.
Great video -- keep them coming!!
Great racing from two great guys. I really enjoyed the vid.
Please have Ben do a lap in the same track with a 992 GT3. It would be awesome to see the difference between the GT3 and Turbo S with Ben behind the wheel.
Yes, with the same tyres.
And flying laps not standing start.
The 992 is such a nice machine 👌
I love the 992 shape, lots of the styling aspects pay homage to some of the older models
sick to see how GoPro's founder is such a racer! i recently found an old Hero3+ black and started to record pov videos myself with it, guess it goes to show how versatile the cameras are (even if they do get a bit toasty lol)
great race tbh, love to see the collab content
Simply outstanding video !!
OUTSTANDING !!!
I loved this video! Really fun. Just sadly lacking in the engine sound dept. Surely a remote mic would augment the footage nicely
The time difference is mental. I thought the 997 was a fast car.
It is a fast car. Things just moved forward in the last decade
It is. But the newer one is so much easier.
It is a fast car….
Oh please more this kind of series❤
Perfect comparison with two amazing picks!
I could never beat The Stig, some say he’s wanted by the CIA, and that he sleeps upside down like a Bat, but I sure as hell would love to try.
It's great seeing Ben on DriveTribe. I've been following his channel as well.
What would I like to see? More rally, especially since supercars are getting in the dirt now with things like the Sterrato. Would it beat an RS200?
I remember when Richard drove the convertible version of this on Top gear fell in love with the turbo S ever since
Nice to see how they match up
This was awesome. Both those guys are just the coolest.
Curious what tires both cars were running
P7 Zeros on 992, PS4S on 997
Would be nice to show tires on these cars. Just switching to modern sport compound gives you like 4 seconds on a two minute lap, but I assume Ben has something appropriate on his machine.
Yes. Some better tyres and maybe some upgraded dampers would probably cut the deficit in half. But the 992 would still be about 5 seconds quicker. Pretty incredible.
Would be interesting to see the dynamics with Ben as Ben with the OG.
Good watching, thank you
Ben shouldn't be worried about losing his job. DT would drop Mike in a heartbeat if it came to Stig or Mike
Agreed!
Why even go there with that statement? Mike and the DT teams enthusiasm keep the channel going.
we need more of Nick
This series is amazing. Having an old model compete with a newer model of the same car line. More of these please! Please do so with other big car brands like Ferrari. Just to see how technology have evolved in just 10 years. Thats amazing! Love it!
That 992 spec is beautiful, from exterior colour to interior just beautiful.
Ben is the MAN!
He sure can drive💪
So not an amateur driver at all.
He doesn't do it for money, so he's an amateur. You don't have to be useless to be an amateur.
@@harryspeakup8452 So you'd call Mike Tyson an amateur boxer. Okay, Willful stupidity at its finest.
Thank goodness for that. I was starting to get worried, but we should never doubt Mr Ben Colins/The Stig. And my goodness, his time in the 992 was so much faster than I think any of us expected. Ben is still the man, and forever more will be.
Everyone needs to watch this once - outstanding lesson in advancement 💪🏽👍🏽
That's not an old 911 😂
That's just the previous 911.
Exactly what I was thinking, I was expecting one of the first models.
No way a real amateur would beat the Stig, there's not that huge of a performance gap with only a few generations gap
previous was 991.2, then 991.1, then 997.2,then the 997.1.
@@pbe6965a first model 911 would be unfair. these cars arent very fast (for todays standards), remember only ~150hp vs 500+. yes the new one is heavier but the hp advantage is insane
two gens ago
@@SimonBauer7 only 130 hp on the very first 911
Pointless then. When his not an amateur
Amateur = non-professional
He is literally an amateur
Bro, you got a new sub! Love this. I gotta start following Nick & Ben as well! Cheers guys, Thx!
Holy crap that is quick, great to see Ben on drivetribe
Hope you make more of these comparisons
Great video ..excellent choice of cars and drivers.
Great video! Crazy to see the difference in lap times between the 997 and 992. For the next one 430 Scuderia vs. 488 Pista!
Great video! Thank you! I would like to see a basic 911 vs M3
Awesome video, and a testament to technology!
Great vid, thank you👍✌
Amazing video! Well done from everyone
Ben Vs Nick is a great combination! Really enjoyed that!
Nice vid - the increased stiffness of the 992 was very obvious - ballistic machines - love it
That was a genuinely entertaining video and comparison...well done! I'll admit it would be pretty incredible to see Ben go up against other top pros, and the thought of someone like Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso, or of course Max Verstappen giving him a run would be seriously entertaining to watch.
Staggering difference in lap times with the same driver!
I'd love to see Ben's lap times in a 996 Turbo and 991.1 Turbo S just to see the progression.
Fun episode, enjoy both the Stig and Nick! And both Turbo's are dream cars.
A really interesting matchup would be some Group B rally cars from the 80ties. Or any modern car vs the Group B Audi Quatro.
Loved this one. Fantastic idea
That's an UNREAL difference. I never would have guessed even half of that. Unbelievable progress
That was awesome. I’d love to have a ride with Ben in either of those amazing machines.
Dream format - keep this coming - it's the star in a car + marque comparison, cracking!! If you can get Thruxton again we can have a leaderboard to compare too!
nice work Mike. fun format. CEO Nick is a dude and fast fun team he Ben in some pro am race
A race around track for ALL SERIES of the Mx5!! Happy to be your amateur for the RF and stck Ben in the Mk1
Great shit! More of this, regardless of brands and models tbh!
Great video Ben is so humble
It would be awesome to see a few old school rally cars matched up against each other around that track...maybe even an old school group b VS a modern car. Love Ben Collins! Down to earth and humble gentleman. Awesome video!
Great vid! Always entertaining but especially when The Stig is involved too 👍👍👍
That's an outrageous jump in lap times (of Ben's) between the two cars!