Porsche DOES NOT want you to know this!!!
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
- Video shows what is really under the skin of a 911 when compared to a Boxster or Cayman. Also shows how a 911 costs less to produce than a Boxster or Cayman.
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As a former Porsche technician, I can confirm you are correct on all counts in your analysis. Outstanding review!!
thats crazy. modern marketing ? why do they do it ?
@@akane742My guess:
Porsche wanted to sell an ‘entry level’ car to a wider market without cannibalising the 911 market.
The shared platform was a necessity as Porsche was in a bit of a financial pickle when the new 911 and Boxter were first developed. There simply wasn’t the money for different platforms.
Please note that the ‘S’ variant Boxter is compared with the Carrera 911.
The less expensive base Boxter has no 911 equivalent and the models above the Carrera don’t have Boxter equivalents.
Porsche must have thought that they would get away with it and they did! 😁
@@akane742 i would assume part of it is to get people onto the Porsche ownership bandwagon. That would also explain why they try to hide how good the cheaper cars are; the owners get to experience it and fall in love with the brand while those with a 911 can feel superior.
First of all, if you have the ability and resource to take apart a car why the hell are you acting like you just discovered fire when you found out that manufacturers nowadays share platforms, chassis, engine, tuning, or any parts. The 718 and 911 even share the same production line, back in the 996 and 986 era they even look the fucking same)
In your philosophy, any Audi, Lexus, or BMW buyers other than the 3 series are idiots since they’re essentially based on platform from cheaper cars. (Mbq, tnga, klar…)
Also if you ever drove those cars on the limit, you’ll soon realize that the 911 is a much more capable car than the 718 (base vs base, s vs s, gts vs gts). Not even getting into the options, don’t know if you’re aware that the base 718 doesn’t even come with an LSD. Of course, you can argue that we don’t drive a spec sheet.
But most people just jump to the conclusion that the 718 drives better due to its smaller footprint, not even pushing. Even you do find it better to drive, there are still benefits of the rear engine layout. In terms of driving, the RR layout exaggerates your flaws. Any bad inputs can result in severe oversteer or understeer. Modern 911 can be a better teaching tool as oppose mid engine cars. Also, due to the rear biased weight distribution, you can load the brakes extra hard and trail brake deeper into a corner. And when you jump on the throttle the weight distribution gives you added traction(that’s also why the 992 turbo beats so much cars in quarter mile with “only” 650hp and 4wd). Not even mentioning the practicality, name a sports car platform that is capable of sub 7 nordschleife laptime and has usable rear seats. Nonetheless , the 911 has a much richer lineage and better image as oppose to the 718.
Last, unlike other lineups (ferrari roma vs 812, mclaren 570 vs 720 .etc) To me there’s no clear hierarchy between the 718 and 911. It’s really just a matter of preference and taste (the fact that you can essentially option a 718 to the price of a 911.) Just think about it, if the 718 doesn’t have something superior to the 911 (might be it’s size or mid engine characteristics), what is the point of it existing when the world have the more capable and practical 911. Porsche surely can just make a cheaper 911.
Ultimately, those are road cars, value to money or driving experience isn’t everything, even less when it comes to “premiums” like 911 and 718. Our choice of road cars is a combination of taste, value, driving experience, practicality .etc. Otherwise, we’ll all be driving around in caterhams, mx5s or RAV4 towing our radicals to the track.
When your nit picking on a 911 or “luxury” product, you might as well just buy a Yaris.
@@991.2gt3 You are making the wrong comparisons.
The Boxter S should be compared with the Carrera. They are almost identical which is much more than just sharing a platform.
It’s like the VW Up!, Seat Mii and Skoda Citigo. They are also almost identical but their prices are also nearly the same.
Similarly you could compare the Toyota Aygo, Citroen C1 and Peugeot 108. Almost identical cars at almost the same prices.
The Carrera however is much more expensive than the Boxter S and that’s remarkable.
I bought a 718 Cayman S new as my first Porsche and as a "stepping stone" to a 992 911 Carrera T, but I quickly changed my tune after the first 1000 miles. I'm keeping my Cayman, flat 4 turbo and all because I love the damn thing. Perfect size. It's legitimately fast. Handling is perfection. And it sounds great even as a 4 cylinder. The fact that I specced it out to be exactly what I wanted means that I formed some sort of emotional connection to it. There's just something about buying your first Porsche and speccing it exactly the way you want it to be.
Funny, I did the same thing. I have a 2018 Cayman GTS (4cyl). I bought it CPO and was planning to get into a 992 within the next few years. My girlfriend actually has a 992 911s, and I’ve driven it handfuls of times. Never once do I get out of the 911 and think “damn, my cayman just is no match for it”. Other than a slightly better exhaust note, there really isn’t much I feel like I am missing to add to the price increase of nearly double. It surely isn’t double the car ….
You are so right - I bought my first Porsche- a 944 in 1984 - the same way. Ordered it in May and it showed up in January. Her name was Tricia and I kept the car until 2000. I’ve had a Macan, Cayenne and 2 911s since then - but none are as special as Trixie.
Then its got to be the fact that you can put 2 half size humans in the back of 911 they charge you double that of a 718. Only thing justifiable for the price I guess@@amac8487
Lucky you, I can only afford the base Boxster, it struggles to drive up to a steep ramp but other than that I am very happy with it. Even if I had the money for a 911 I would still want a Boxster cause I hate the useless rear seats on the 911 and the lack of a trunk 😅
@@ozTomSawyer There's nothing base about a base Boxster. They're still true sportscars. The 'base' models set the already incredibly high standards and higher trims just add a bit more to it.
Why am I seeing this guy's channel for the first time?!? and why does he have only 2.5k subs? :(
Great video, I loved it.
Because the truth hurts…..some.
Same.
Because the algorithm knows you are interested in Porsche only
Bro nearly doubled his subs in 4 days!
True
The poor man's Porsche ? Rather the smart man's Porsche, no ? Porsche"s marketing department is laughing all the way to the bank... Thank you so much Mr. Richardson for all your videos !
Fools and their money…
Fools an their money are easily and quickly separated 🏎
WTF you get to the end of the video to drop the only thing that matters for new Porsche buyers….THE NEW 911 IS NOT ON THE SAME PLATFORM AS THE 718 CAYMAN!
There are substantial engineering differences between the cars though, the 911 is still the higher performance car, the engine sits lower for example. Its a minor mystery as to why the boxster/cayman didn't simply have its motor lowered an inch and a half, but largely its split between Porsche protecting the 911s status and the other car being engineered for a less sporting purpose. The cayman is more of a normal daily driver car with raw performance being less of a priority. Which is weird because not only is the 911 the smart man's sports car with a back seat and decent storage, a car that can actually be driven in the real world, but the cayman sacrifices that practicality for a traditional sportscars mid engine layout.....
I know that dating all the way back to the first Porsche the engineers wanted a mid engine chassis, but other concerns pushed them to adapt VWs rear engine economy car layout. Then after decades of building a dedicated fan base, every attempt to move towards a fundamentally better layout caused a major backlash. The original Boxster wasn't an exception there.
Imo, if they had the conviction, they could easily build a Cayman/boxster that cleanly beats the 911 in all metrics, and challenge the 911 elites to choose between tradition and winning.
@@DrewLSsixThey kind of already have admitted that the Cayman is the better platform. The 911 RSR switched to mid-engine in 2017
981 owner here!
This man knows his stuff.
Thanks 😃😃😃
This video was just shared in a Boxster owners Facebook group and after watching, I immediately logged into CZcams to subscribe to your channel. I can’t thank you enough for making this video. I love deep dives into everything from baseball stats to melodic death metal. You didn’t just get into the weeds, you expertly navigated them. I actually feel better educated about Porsche after watching this. Job well done, Sir. 👏👏
You can even program certain control modules in the 981 as 991. I changed the programming of the electronic power steering module in my 981 to the GT3 calibration using PIWIS and I am really enjoying the steering feel. It's heavier at low speed but I feel like it gives me more feedback especially when cornering at higher speed.
Nice deep-dive. I almost didn't click the click-bait title of this video, but I'm glad I did, now.
Same here!
Same here. Turned out to be the opposite of click bait.
How.do you only have 4k subscribers? I feel like I hit the jackpot finding you. I'm a skilled technician and geek out on stuff like this. You're the opposite of Stradman. No show, all go. Love it.
Indeed!
Because all the 911 owners are getting together and hitting the dislike button! 😄
1 month later and just over 13k now. good growth ,i just found him to as was considering a boxster, but definitely sold on it now. great video
This is excellent, thank you for the time and effort you put into all of your videos for the 981 platform. You are a truly a great resource for these amazing cars.
we all appreciate all that you do thank you
This channel should be wayyyyy bigger than it is. Your work is great. Thanks for taking the time to make all these awesome videos.
Another great video Jeff. As a Base 981 Cayman owner, who does all my own maintenance, I must agree on the build quality of Porsche, it's very good. Most panel what need to be removed for access come off and go on easily. The structure is also well made. The only disappointment I have had with my Cayman is my Headlining dropped. Removal, recover and replacement completed for less than 10% of the Porsche quote. This is the first maintenance task I have done without your guidance. All other tasked done after watching and following your guidance videos, many thanks. As for the performance of my 2.7 Cayman, it puts a smile on my face each and every time I drive it and can't see that a 911 could do anything more. With 2 stowage compartments we can pack safely for a week away with an esky, coffee machine and pillow and of course clothes!
I will probably never see all those videos, but I must say it: thank for all your efforts in making so much content about Porsche Cayman!
I have a 991.2 and I always thought they shared 80% of the parts. Porsche is the king of profit but damn they make great cars.
The 986/996 production line revamp in the 90s started this. What you’ve done is amazing and I for one really appreciate your efforts in this. I’m currently buying a 987.2 Boxster S for the 3.4 engine alone, with no roof! Can’t wait to hear the wailing flat 6 again.
Mate, I have 987.2 Cayman S. I will never sell it. If I had room in the garage, I'd get a 987.2 Boxster S in a different colour. You going to love it.
Stumbled to your website today. WOW. I really could have used you when I bought my first 911 in 1980. I had to learn the hard way. And like you, my hobby was finding out how the car was built. I will be 70 this year. No P car in my life as I have retired overseas (Ex England, Canada,, Australia (Perth). Your videos will keep me well entertained and educated in my retirement. Thank you. Excellent work.
Wonderful! I’m more proud now to be a 981 owner. I love your videos! Keep the embers from burning!
Probably the best CZcams auto review I have ever seen. Thanks.
I’m so glad this video is finally getting you and your channel the audience it deserves! Good on you, Jeff!
Thanks Peter. I'm not sure if you saw my latest video, but the thumbnail photo was one of those suggestions from you car photography vid. Just in case you aren't able to recognise my intent, it was having the camera on the ground. Cheers Jeff
@@jeffrichardsoncardiy Oh, yes! I started watching it a few days ago, but got pulled away to something else. I must watch the rest. I didn’t register it at the time, but yes, I see the low-angle shot. 👍
For me, you are the FATHER of 981. ❤ THANK YOU!
Awesome video Jeff. You're really getting down in to the nitty gritty which few people do. I appreciate all the research and facts that you're presenting to us.
Well done, love the extensive details, I was geeking out on this! Quite a bit more things changed a bit more when the Boxster/Cayman went to the 718 and the 991.2 came out. (Engine mainly). I own both 911 and a cayman and both are exquisite machines, thank you Porsche for keeping the high standards for all products. Best company in the world (products, marketing, brand image, racing heritage, car culture, etc) One of the good parts of life! Keep up the good work and well detailed videos! 👏
This video will single-handedly lower 911 sales
I’ve been waiting for a video like this forever! I’ve been telling 911 owners this for some time and since I’ve recently began “refreshing” my 12’ Cayman S (987.2) and I really began to notice the same exact thing. My hunch started with the basics and just using my eyes. Everything just looked the same such as splash guards, fasteners, underbody linings, interior switch gear, coatings such as stone guard, brakes, suspension components etc. But it wasn’t until I started ordering factory parts that I also went down this rabbit hole and discovered the same thing! I guess while the underpinnings are terribly similar and the quality of parts and build are the same, the 911 will likely still outpace the Cayman in value overtime because of the marketing machine that is Porsche, keeping that model on its pedestal and 911 buyers who desperately need to feel as though their cars are “better” because they paid more. And while it’s not by a long shot, they’ll likely never allow themselves to see it that way. I love 911’s but I also love almost everything Porsche has ever made. I only point this out because I can’t tell you how many times 911 owners I’ve spoken to who say, “yeah, drive this for a while and then step up to a 911” or “a Cayman is a great first Porsche” or “do some track days with this and get a 911”. In every case I’ve said “what for?” My 987.2 is a forever car … if I’m blessed enough, I’ll get a 911 in addition to and daily drive it, at best.
I bought my 2000 Boxster S new 24 years ago and still own it today. Last year I added a 911 (997). I love both cars. I will say that the Boxster is to me the more pure/focused sports car, the midengined layout handles better, and I prefer having a rear trunk over useless rear seats. My 3.2L 986 S has the same brakes & transmission as the 3.4L 996 of that era. I'm glad to see more people waking up to the benefits of the Boxster/Cayman these days.
I had a deposit on a 911 at the Porsche dealer and asked for a test drive in a Boxster S they had on the lot. I bought the Boxster. I’ve been out to two Porsche track days and the Boxster is more fun, many 911 owners were surprised as well. The Boxster is easier for me to push to the limits, it’s basically a go kart. The Boxster S 6 cyl. 3.4 is a de tuned 911 engine and PDK transmission.
Wow! This is a great analysis and very professional.
I am now very happy with my Boxster S 2014 and the saving of 90K 🙂
Great job!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 *🏎️ Introduction to Porsche 911 and Cayman/Boxster*
- Overview of Porsche 911 and Cayman/Boxster.
- Personal experience with purchasing a Boxster.
- Mention of similarities underneath the exterior panels.
01:08 *🤝 Extensive Parts Sharing*
- Discussion on the extensive sharing of parts between 911 and Cayman/Boxster.
- Comparison of development and production costs.
- Emphasis on the surprising extent of shared components.
05:35 *🔄 Underneath the Skin: Common Components*
- Detailed exploration of shared components beneath the skin.
- Comparison of electrical wiring, control units, fuel systems, brakes, and more.
- Clarification on minor differences tailored to each model.
06:54 *🚗 Interior Similarities*
- Examination of interior components common to both 911 and Cayman/Boxster.
- Discussion on surprising similarities in door mechanisms, window regulators, and trim.
- Highlighting the negligible difference in base-level interior materials.
09:41 *🛠️ Major Differences: Rear Chassis and Engine Orientation*
- Exploration of differences in rear chassis and engine orientation.
- Explanation of pros and cons related to the rear-engine placement in 911.
- Mention of the unique characteristics of Cayman/Boxster due to engine placement.
11:19 *🏎️ Engine and Transmission Similarities*
- Detailed analysis of identical components in 3.4L engines and transmissions.
- Clarification on deliberate detuning of the 981 engine.
- Comparison of transmissions and differentials.
13:09 *⚙️ Common Coding in Control Units*
- Exploration of the Porsche Diagnostics and Programming Tool (PST).
- Unveiling common coding and shared files for 981 and 991 models.
- Emphasis on identical hardware in individual control units.
15:31 *💰 Development Costs and Production Figures*
- Discussion on shared development costs and production figures.
- Analysis of platform development and associated costs.
- Insight into the impact of sales volume on the per-unit cost.
17:13 *🧮 Cost Comparison Illustration*
- Illustration of the theoretical cost breakdown for 991 and 981 models.
- Explanation of development cost allocation.
- Insight into the impact on per-unit costs.
18:22 *🌐 Conclusion: Validity of Comparison*
- Summarization of the analysis.
- Emphasis on the validity of the comparison.
- Encouragement for viewers to form their own opinion on the pricing justification.
thank you. I wouldn't skip any of this but it's nice to use time stamps as reference
Wow! This is so informative and very professionally researched. Thank you so very much. I agree with some of the others when they say you should have way more subscribers. I am currently in the market for a Porsche as my keep it car. I am a 54 yr old man and already have a daily driver but want something to cherish and enjoy. This video really helped because I do really like the Boxster and its history but couldn’t pic between the two.
Thanks for sharing this- what a great deep dive. Genuinely surprised to see just how extensive the commonalities are
Very interesting information, thank you!! I am a 987.1 & 997.2 owner and was making random similar observations whenI was doing a door repair. You have of course taken it to another level...
Brilliant, the world needs more people like you. I suspected this when I took my 911 Turbo for service & the local Porsche dealer loaned me a Boxster & I remember thinking why did I spend so much money for basically the same car. Good job 👍
I own neither, yet.I do however own a low mileage 50 year old 914 with modifications and have been blown away by the handling due to the weight distribution of the mid engine.This video has helped me with my hesitation with the boxster.I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video.
Fascinating video, Jeff! I drove a 992 Carrera S more than 800 kms down the coast and up the High Country. I loved it, but couldn’t see the value, so I bought a 981 Boxster, and thrashed it along the same 800 km route, and in almost every way, it was as good as or better than the 992. It’s simply a brilliant machine. Your video goes a long way to explaining why.
Ahahhahahha
I knew next to nothing about cars before I sat to watch this. Notwithstanding the technical knowledge you possess, you've made this so simple to follow and understand I actually was glued to my screen. Bravo for living your passion and thanks for sharing it across the pond. Goodonya mate!
Your welcome, and have a nice day.😁
What great content. A long time ago, I had a long discussion with an experienced watchmaker. He showed me his workshop and all of his amazing gadgets, including an acoustic oscilloscope to diagnose by sound. He informed me that the Bulova brand was of exact same quality under the hood as a rolex. I had my heart set on a rolex, so i pushed him. Reliability? Robustness? Materials? Water resistance? He then went on to list parameters i hadn't thought of and then showed me. I was young and naive and was astounded but this a is normal industrial marketing fact. Badge premium is a thing.
Brilliant and informative video Jeff. So well set out and researched. Thank you very much for this.
Just found your channel with this video and instantly subbed after seeing the other videos you showed. Keep up the good work!
This just popped up in my recommendations. Beyond the surprising discovery you made, I'm blown away by detailed information you were able to pull. Very informative despite that neither Porsche is within my reach.
My 1974 914/4 (originally designed by Porsche to be a Volkswagen) had a significant amount of parts with part numbers starting in 901. The 914/6 originally sold for a very tiny percentage less than the 911 with the same engine, and I was told by a former Porsche dealership employee and PCA member that Porsche made significantly more money on the 911 than the 914, however it was felt that the 914 was important as a gateway to the 911, and Porsche management saw this as an investment. The 912 has even more 901 parts, but I have never owned one. My 911SC turned 40 last year, and even with more than 180k-miles, I currently have no plans to replace it.
What an incredible forensic analysis- thank you for such a brilliant video
The amount of time and effort that went into this video is truly amazing. Congrats and great to see someone so passionate about what they do
Very interesting video! I have watched and appreciated many of your 981 Boxster tear down/instructional videos and have learned a lot from them. Definitely helped me with several maintenance related tasks for my 2014 981 Boxster S. Thank you for all of the effort and detail you put into the videos!
Thanks Jeff, I wonder from PIWIS what % of the part numbers are the same? Great video and your channel is my number one source for maintenance on my 981S. I trust your work 100%. 👍🏻
Insane attention to detail, this channel is about to go boom
Excellent video. Thank you for the time and effort. I enjoyed it thoroughly . Cheers!
Great video Jeff, and nicely presented too.
I’ve been variously tinkering with my 987.2 Boxster, 997.2 Carrera S and now 981 Boxster GTS over the years, and always been amused by the commonality of parts. Porsche really does know how to engineer a platform. 😃
(Loving your 981 tear down guides, BTW; they’ve helped me on more than one occasion.)
Man, you're the best. You actually brought knowledge. Also loved the educated guess development cost at the end.
Damn, bro, you have me sold on your opinions. Great in depth work and thanks.
I actually went the other way around. Was looking for a 981 Boxster S but bought a base 991.1 because I found the cabin abit more comfortable with the space behind the driver. I like that they're so similar makes finding parts easier.
I did the same, and honestly looking at the beautiful five gauge setup in the dash makes it completely worthwhile to me.
That interior and interior build quality is what separates the 2 in that aspect the 911 is the superior product.
I'm thinking about making the same switch from my 981 S to a 991 Cabriolet. My Boxster has the X73 Sport Suspension is great for short trips but I'm getting ready to do much longer trips when preparing trips/routes for car groups on a larger scale than I've been doing. The extra room and weight are appealing for these longer rides with my wife.
@@Vgk36how is the build quality different?
SO basically the quality of the interior materials go sit in both back to back touch door cards and dash .@@JackF99
Excellent video. Thank you for all that you have contributed to the community. I have certainly learned a lot.
One of the most interesting Porsche videos I’ve seen on CZcams. Congrats on a fantastic piece of film 👏
Thank you for finally making a "What they don't want you to know" video that's actually technical and full of new information. This is the coolest consumer facing car analysis I've ever seen! It honestly doesn't even really make me upset with porsche -- the engine/transmission layout of the 911 vs the Cayman is a significant and legitimate separator, and as the 911 has no real competitor in the market it does seem reasonable for them to price for that market share and demand. I feel like we've known for a while that the cayman/boxster is probably not only a superior value to the 911 but a superior platform as well (you buy a 911 because it's a 911, not because it's the most logical way to design a car), and if they want to use the revenue from 911s to subsidize the production of 718s that's fine with me! . Incredible video, thank you again!
Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated.
Great content, insightful without getting too technical. I’ve owed a 986 s for 11 years and marvel at its engineering every time i drive it.
I am planning to get one of those 981 and this video blows away my concern completely. As a DIY maintenance individual, no reason not to get one now. Thank you for the video! Such a great informations.
I owned a 987.2 Boxter and always had the same impression about comparing it against the 997. Great video!
Love your work! And seeing how I just bought a 2017 718 Boxster, I love the car even more!
Awesome video Jeff, you are a true credit to the community and you helped me with a recent interior project.
It's not entirely surprising, the 981 punches way above its weight, your next challenge is to work out how to flash the 991 dme data onto the 981 3.4 😊. Also worth noting that some parts have unique part numbers but end up being the same part, the glovebox for example has both sets printed on the back.
Well as a guy growing up poor ,uneducated and starting life as a dishwasher..then cook …being handy and always getting my hands dirty …Porsches have always motivated me to become educated not in the classroom but stock market and investing …thank you Porsche! Living in Canada the tax system here is insane… today as a business owner, my company tax rate is 26% … then after paying everything employees etc ..my personal tax rate is 54% … crazy but we do have health care lol… most of it … today have 4 911’s …1970,1977,my poster 1997 993 turbo and finally bought a 2018 GT2RS …as a guy who’s first passion was computers it then also became the need for speed ! As track member and weekend warrior in the summer…Porsche taught me that nothing is to expensive..you just have to make more money! Porsches are solid,well built and reliable…and bonus every Porsche I have, the values always went up and still are! We see a lot of crashing value videos on CZcams these days ..well not mine ! Thanks again Porsche!
Sounds like you worked hard and earned your rewards. Enjoy to the fullest...there is no substitute! Can't wait for the new 911 GT2RS!!
What an outstanding analysis. Well reasoned and logical. Well done
Amazing analysis! Thanks from the happy owner of a 987S!
Thanks for the deep dive. Have driven both a 981 Boxter GTS (driving holiday in Europe) and a 991 C2S (my car). Both PDK, both great driving cars and both more capable on the road than the I am on the controls! (a feature I don't mind admitting to). I found the Boxster so perfectly balanced and very much "point it where you want to go and it goes there" type experience. Whereas the 911 has, not surprisingly, a more pitch forward/squat backward dynamic on the road. My wife much prefers the Boxster characteristics and I enjoy the 911's character. Those looking into a Porsche sports car should definitely try out both options to find what they like. Then go out and drive them every chance they get :)
Insane detailed video. Thank you so much!
Great info. Confirms what many have been saying. Now we have hard evidence to back it up.
wow Jeff, what an awesome video. well documented and well edited. having many 911's and working on a friends Cayman, i always thought these statements to be true. Its now evident they are facts. The power of marketing.
You earned a sub from this video. A whole lot of things started to make sense after watching this. I STILL want a 991.1 911 even after watching this but that’s because it’s always been my poster car. Thanks for all your effort to make these videos ❤
This guy’s channel is a goldmine! Thanks almighty CZcams algorithm!
Great work and very valuable insights! Thank you Jeff!
Great video! I have a base 718 cayman and have taken a lot of it apart for modifications. I too noticed the many shared parts between models and years. I love because it is easier to source parts and to upgrade from salvaged cars.
Thanks Sir for open my eyes. I m speechless. Great Video👍🏼
Why am I watching this after ordering a 911?
Ultimately, I went with the 991.1 C2. I test drove: 981 S and 718 base and S. The cars are identical in all the ways that don’t matter, but different in all the ways that mattered to me. When I drove the Caymans, they felt TOO perfect, like all the playfulness had been squeezed out of them. They were objectively “perfect,” but they lost some soul in that pursuit. When I drove the 997.2 and eventually 991.1, I fell in love with their handling characteristic. They had 80-90% of the “perfection” of the Caymans, but retained all of the playful fun due to the engine placement and rear suspension changes. It’s NOT on rails, you have to tame it and control it, you have to dance with it.
That’s what I wanted and that’s what I bought!
I was 981 exterior designer - we had to style the shared hood to suit both this and the 991. Some of the underbody and mechanical components are shared too. I fought to get specific door outer skins for it (whilst sharing the inner structure), as the 986/987 shared those with nthe 996/997along with the hood and initially the front fenders and headlamps. Having different outer doors allowed changing their section and getting the indentation leading to the side intakes. Also the more geometric front and rear fender sections. The financial trade-off (we worked to very strict budgets!) was losing the separate roof cover, which meant more of a hole around the roof well when open, but also allowed adoption of Audi TT components giving us a faster folding action and saving weight. 981 windscreens and A Pillars are different than the 991s too, being shorter.
The whole idea was to get away from the "cheaper 911" image and give the mid engined cars their own proud identity - hence the "platteau" fender tops and vertical headlamps which reference the 906/7/8, etc. sports racers of the '60s.
The height of the Boxster rear deck and luggage bay floor of the Cayman was increased by about 30mm during the program to accomodate an Audi TT in line 4 cylinder motor - of course the 4 cylinder eventually ended up being a boxer.
Incidentally, the 981 exterior theme was chosen at end of 2007 and production versions signed off by early 2009. The 918 program started in September 2009 to preview the new fender themes on a halo car and as a limited production program was completed and appeared before the 981s were introduced.
The GT4 was originally never meant to happen, but, after the events of 2009, Piech, now in control, departed from the previous dictum of not allowing the 911 to be rivalled in performance or dynamics and said "let them fight". That one got the GT3 cooling package and front end, hence the vent in front of the hood....
Hugh, thanks for the input, much appreciated. There's some great info in your comments. I was unaware of the 90x history behind the 981 design. It makes me look at my car in a very different way now.
I'm very happy you fought for the different door design. It makes such a difference, and I've always thought the 'hourglass' shape that is pretty much seen from any angle, side, top, front, or rear, makes the car flow so well.
Hugh, I'd be really interested in getting into your head a bit more about the car's design. If you are happy with this, can you send me an email to the channel address so I can ask a few more questions. Address is jjrichar12@gmail.com Thanks Jeff
@@jeffrichardsoncardiy It was a great project to work on with a wonderful team - as a Porsche designer you get to work with top people in all the other disciplines....
@@jeffrichardsoncardiy Will do....
@@hughrobinson9978 New owner of 981 here. You described an amazing journey styling the 981! Everything you pushed for made this into a future classic. All the panels flow together and the continuous tapering of the panels into the side intakes makes a world of difference compared to prior generations. When you combine the tight packaging with the freedom to have a design line follow through from front to end you get the best Porsche design of all time in my view. Sure the Carrera GT and 918 look just as sharp, but they do so with more real estate. It's hard to get the presence of those cars without the wider footprint. 305 section tires fit under the 981 body while having a very narrow body so that we can enjoy them on narrow canyon roads and zip around town. I have the GTS, and the only area of improvement would be to have a 9,000 rpm 4.0 under the soft top. I don't want anything else from the 911, which in soft top form looks a bit like a bathtub by comparison.
Very interesting and I appreciate you included the 718, which seems to be the forgotten child at times. I love my 718 Cayman S.
Fascinating ! This is a great example of what CZcams is all about. THANK YOU for this excellent effort that will be deeply appreciated by many people.
So cool to have this breakdown. We need some awesome videos on the cayenne! I have a ‘10 Cayenne GTS. Thanks for your hard work.
Congratulations Jeff for this fascinating video. Being a complete lemon when it come to engineering, I learn so much watching your channel! This got me really excited to upgrade the admission of my Boxster 981 GTS. Would you mind sharing the reference numbers of the parts (throttle, intake manifold and may be other peripherals) required for the update? Again many thanks for your publications and keep on the great work!
Nice tandem! I have a 2016 Cayman S and a 2003 E46 330i, both Red/Black leather 6-speeds. Love all of your very informative videos!
I like your style. I can't part with the old girl as it holds a dear place in my heart. Both convertibles but completely different cars. I enjoy both of them.
Wow, first time viewer. Well done presentation, mate. Mad props & respect to you! P-car FTW! Cheers mate.
Really interesting video… As a 981 owner (my first Porsche), I really fancied a 911 - but, it didn’t look as nice as a soft top, as my Boxster S does. Just my opinion, also the rear seats are a waste of time 😂
Thank you, this was a good watch - I have subscribed and will probably view your back catalogue, just as a learning opportunity 👍🏼
contrary to the 911, the boxster was designed from scratch as a soft top...and it shows. besides, as a porsche owner, where else could you possibly
want the engine to be than right behind your back?
Very informative video, cant get over how similar both cars are.
Thanks for your thorough review. Even more glad now that I bought my Boxster S 12 years ago.
OUTSTANDING video!
Having intentionally purchased a 981 CGTS in 2016 over the 911 purely for the driving attributes, wrenching on the car has led me to your same conclusion. Purchasing 991 parts caused me to look at other part numbers. Your deep dive is very much appreciated as a confirmation for what I suspected. Thanks!
Wow, lot of work there to document this. Thanks for you effort.
Thank You…Very very Informative!! You are one dedicated man! 👊🏼
Very informative,I have never seen a video like this , I have a 987.2 and deliberately chose this over the an early 911 and every now and then I think about going the 911 route,but I’m still loving the 987.2 so I’m sticking with it . More of a true 2 seater .
Thank you so much for this great content! Eye opener for sure!
Thank you Jeff.
Great video+explanation+presentation! Thank you for sharing well done mate - NEW SUB 🙏🏻
Thanks for the informative video and research. I love my 2006 Boxster S is a wonderful driving machine. I purchased it in 2018 with around 43,000 miles on it and now have nearly 90,000. It is a very nice weekend and day trip car. With the “frunk” and trunk it’s is quite useful. I will most likely upgrade to a newer version but probably not a 911. Although, Porsches are amazingly well built vehicles.
I have a 981 Boxster S, so I'm in the smiling corner😅. More importantly: Thank you so much for these videos! As you say, the Boxster doesn't break very often, so I only actually needed one of your videos once when I had to replace my AUX-cable but they're fantastically useful and I'm sure I'll get a chance to use one again.
What a great video. I have been weighing up these models myself.
This was a very interesting and enlightening video! Thanks!!
Amazing breakdown! Thanks! I had a 2008 987 Boxster while my housemate had a 911 Turbo. Sitting in them side by side, I always thought how similar they were. This makes me really want to buy a 718 Boxster/Cayman now.
Quite an eye opener!
I had originally planned to buy a 986 911, but got priced out of the market.
My current car, and first Porsche, is a 987 Cayman S.
I had already realised the Cayman shares many parts with its 911 big brother. It was only when I downloaded the parts list from Porsche and examined the part numbers that I realised how many parts are shared by with the 997.
For me the Cayman is the perfect package. It is a versatile load carrier as well as being really fun to drive, and predictable when pushed hard.
Great video and information ❤
I love the driving experience of my 986
Thanks Jeff! I knew it but didn’t know the extent of the bluff. Thank God I got the 981S.
Incredible stuff!