The Nintendo Switch 2 is NOT Backwards Compatible?! | Nontendo Podcast #43
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I feel like Bob is spitting facts about the backwards compatibility, and everyone is acting like he’s crazy
yes lol
I completely agree; as someone who works in a game store backwards compatibility is a huge feature that general players want. Most people don't hold on to their old systems, they want to play what they have on a system that they upgrade to.
Yes and No. Nintendo isn't brilliant at backwards compatibility and there's been consoles where there's been no support NES-SNES-N64-Gamecube but from Gamecube to Wii, yes, Wii to Wii U, yes but Switch was a different beast. Same with the handhelds. So it all depends on how Nintendo is going to play this going forward. Personally I think at least one gen of backwards compatibility would be ideal. But at that point, unless Nintendo has new successful ideas like Splatoon in Japan, it's selling another Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Mario so it's more iterative than revolutionary and finding the right balance between new, fun idea, classic gameplay and avoiding gimmick-only gameplay. For their style of game, Switch is still decent enough especially with older 1080p TVs so as long OG Switch is still selling, I dunno, maybe it's just best to keep on keeping on.
@@alijordan5772 The one reason that pushed me over the edge to buying an Xbox Series X was the crazy level of backwards compatibility. If it didn't have it I wouldn't have bought it. Now that I have it I don't use it as much as I thought, game pass is an excellent service and I find things to play there, but it was a huge factor in my buying decision.
“ Nintendo isn’t brilliant at backwards compatibility “ except there the ones who invented it. With the Gameboy. Which only lost access since the early DS. Nintendo is good at coming up with an idea. But bad at taking that idea across all their consoles. Basically i we might not even get a switch next time around, they end up holding patents on it and won’t introduce it again for like 20 years after they finally start collapsing then they give all games and ideas back again acting like it is the next big thing just so people will come back to buying. But after all i just said i hope they change.
My FAVORITE selling point of the Wii was the ability of backwards compatibility for GameCube games. I also enjoyed that the Gameboy Color, Advance, DS, 2DS, and 3DS had backwards compatibility for the previous system. I like backwards compatibility because it helps me save up money for the newer games while still playing games that I enjoy.
they very easily could’ve had backwards comparability for every previous handheld instead of just the very previous version and choose not to
I think people forget that the Wii could also play GameCube games and you were able to use GameCube controllers with it! And GameCube could play Gameboy games with an adapter.
yeah Nintendo's been good with supporting a previous gen console with the new hardware. For the most part.
And wii u could play Wii.
THIS!! exactly! Why are people forgetting about this so much and the DS played gameboy advance games
Yeah the ds had a gba port too and wii u played wii games with half of the on board memory solely dedicated to running the wii. I really think they'll keep the switch cartridges.
Difference is Mr. Iwata versus Furukawa
Backwards compatibility is important.
I missed out on every 3d Mario apart from 64, bought the 3d all stars collection, got the taste for blood, and now I have no way of playing Galaxy 2. I'm emulating it once my steam deck arrives. It was actually one of the things that convinced me to buy a steam deck.
I'm spending €400 with Valve to play old Nintendo games, when I would have happily paid Nintendo that money instead.
It would’ve been cheaper to just buy a wii
@@FizzyCape I feel the Steam Deck benefits me more tbh. Plus, all of my purchasing options at this stage don't benefit the development teams or Nintendo, so I might as well go with the option that lets me play portably.
@@FizzyCape no way, playing galaxy 1 & 2 with a pure controller with absolutely no motion control is the BEST way to play them
I agree it would be a major disappointment for me to see no backcompat , especially because I know the generation is going to be filled with switch rereleases then .
I'm with Bob on the backwards compatibility, the Series X and PS5 have huge libraries from previous generations and it's basically the bulk of the library. People will want to have the latest and greatest and see the games they know they love in a better experience. It running better, maybe better textures or something, is more than enough to get people onto a new generation. There's also something to be said that day one you have a library to play with, a lot of people wait for next gen until there are more games out so they aren't stuck on the same 3 games for 6 - 8 months. I haven't seen a time where backwards compatibility made a game system sell less, and only outrage when it was left out.
Well you just said exactly what my comment said only 10x better. 😅 I totally agree, if it wasn’t backwards compatible i think that would be a thing that would seriously negatively impact me buying a new console. The backwards compatibility on my ps5 was a major factor in upgrading to me cos as you say it isn’t just being able to play your old games but being able to play them on better hardware. Also quite a few devs actually did upgrades - paid not like full price - so still money to be made from that and new people buying the old games upgraded or not at full price too. And again i agree with what you said about wanting to add to your library with the new games. I think it would be insane to not do that now esp when the two other major players have. 😊
“I haven’t seen a single time backwards compatibility made a system sell less”.
The PlayStation 3 would like a word with you…
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 the PS3 was a victim of cost and clunky design. The best selling version of the PS3 in the beginning was the backwards compatible version, and is still the most sought after version. The 600 dollars was the issue.
@@xXZombieHunter0802Xx “we want backwards compatibility, but we just don’t want to pay for it”.
The PlayStation 2 chip in the PlayStation 3 is the reason the cost was $600.
The sales for PS3 didn’t pop off until the slim model which had zero PS2 backwards compatibility to speak of, because gamers only care about new games.
Had the PlayStation 3 launched at $400 with zero BC besides the PS1 backwards compatibility included in all models, it would have destroyed the 360, since again, gamers don’t give a damn about backwards compatibility/old games.
Want proof?
The Switch and PlayStation 4 have sold gangbusters and have zero backwards compatibility on the physical side, and digitally you could only buy a few legacy games on PS4 (which you can’t even do on Switch).
The Wii, PlayStation, and DS sold gangbusters and either didn’t have BC or it was so irrelevant to its success that it was later removed.
If gamers genuinely cared about backwards compatibility and old games, consoles like the PlayStation 3, Wii U, and Xbox Series X/S would be smash hits, rather than flops.
Any gamer who cares about backwards compatibility/old games is an anomaly and sales figures prove this time and time again.
The only way it wouldn't be backwards compatible is of it completely changed like from N64 to GameCube. I could see that if they launched a VR system it would not have backwards compatibility because it's so much different that the previous games wouldn't have been designed with that in mind. So it works make sense for it to not be backwards compatible in that case.
Backwards comparability encourages me to make an upgrade
Exactly. I will buy the new console for sure if I know I don't have to give up on all my old games. Otherwise sorry I'm sticking with the Switch for at least another couple years
Agreed
I will be a lot more hesitant to buy a console that isn't backwards compatible because I don't want to rebuy the game
@@Dracossaint truth
If it’s not I’ll just stick with my switch I have now
The only thing stopping me from modding my Switch, was the feeling that Nintendo was going to make this current account system the new standard and forward compatible with what ever comes next. I have bought over 350 games on the current Switch digitally. I have never bought so many games for any platform or console (including Steam) ever. Nintendo combining their handheld and console division as one; not only was brilliant for them, but also for the industry. It is probably the only console; in which I feel has sense of ownership of my purchases (with the exception of NSO). Whether it will be "challenging" to implement or not; with the kind of money and records the current Switch is setting, as well as 1. their boldness that will still be able to sell current gen Switch games for at least a few more years (based on Doug Bowser's recent quotes), 2. the fact that they typically make the next iteration of a new concept console backwards compatible, as well as contradicting quotes from Miyamoto that backwards compatibility is easier than ever to implement and 3. NVIDIA IS BACKING THEM UP; then Nintendo would be arrogantly foolish not go out of their way to ensure backwards compatibility is a day one and always available feature in the next gen Switch (and yes keeping the hybrid form factor as a core feature as well making it notably more powerful). Also, your point about all these indie devs being left behind in the transition, is very valid. No reason at all for them exclude this feature; as it would hurt too many parties; including themselves. I would feel less incentive to stick with Nintendo; if they did not honor my purchases. I will spend the extra money to get what ever Steam Deck alternative that is available (which still honors the 48 games I bought in the last 20 years). Also, permanent backwards compatibility would eliminate the lame excuse of NSO; forcing them to be a subscription service that offers a rotation of current games to try out each month, rather than retro games.
I've made many mistakes in the past and I've learned my lesson. I am NOT getting rid of my Switch.
Speaking from experience, I would have eventually bought an xbox series x. The reason I got it recently rather than waiting is the backwards compatability and enhancement of older titles. If a new switch runs older games with better performance or enhanced graphics, it could breathe new life into "older" titles and make more people possibly buy those games.
Can't wait for the stream, but I do think it is going to be backwards compatible.
Might be Nintendo titles only though
Nintendo is too money hungry.
I hope the stream is backwords compatible with the last stream
They’re so much like brothers. Love the dynamic between these two. Lmao 😂
Imagine that it is back compat but you have to pay per game or it’s a perk of NSO. Now that would be a Nintendo move
shhhhhhh, dont give them ideas lol
Honestly this is might be the best case scenario. Really doubt they’d just make it BWC like XBox. They’ll find a way to charge you.
Sony move
I love this podcast, definitely my favorite, but I would appreciate it if wood and mostly Bob did more research beforehand because it would make their discussion more interesting. For example, the Wii could play almost all GameCube games, and the Wii U could play most switch games and use the peripherals from the Wii.
Wii u could play most switch games? Do you mean the originals pre-port? Confusing lol it definitely does not take cartridge based games from a later console
@@graydeotto2820 think he means the wii u ports but that still isn’t called backward compatibility it’s just a port lol
I think they meant that the Wiiu could play almost all Wii games and use Wii accessories.
@@feefore1605surprised someone had to type this given the context lol.
Love all you guys personalities just friends having a laugh
What an epic episode!! Really great discussion and new ideas about switch 2 and the next gen eshop 👍👍👍
Woods face when he saw that Email 😂🤦🏽♂️I felt that
Switch 2 should be like a spiced up dock that can stream gameplay between the game pad and tv so they can do more wii u/ds style gaming. And port older games w dual screen functionality
In the "Future Outlook" image, with the red bar and teal triangle, it looks like the next system will be on the same Nintendo account, and the 'Value-Added Services' (probably the subscriptions included) will carry forward to that device.
But also, I'm a Nintendo fan, but I haven't bought a system while it was still relatively new since the original DS came out. I haven't gotten a Switch yet, I buy most of my games used or on sale. I am looking to get a Switch when I can, but if we get an announcement for a fully backwards compatible new hybrid before I do at a price that sounds reasonable, I might try holding out for that console instead. I might also just watch for deals on Switches being sold by those upgrading to the new hardware.
I've been thinking about the concept of a Switch 3DS fusion for the longest time, and I have so many mental images in my head that I've come up with that would sell to an indescribable degree.
Hear me out, the new gimmick could be a way to play the switch in AR with some type of official glasses accessory
I for one do not miss the soap... but you do you I'll keep watching your content ❤❤
you know in this particular thumbnail Wood does actually look quite a bit like Mr. Bean, sorry Wood lol
Too much chin to be Mr bean
One thing that will be a future topic with the next console is the online addition of the Sega Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Wii and Wii U ultimatelly.
I love that Bob got his Seinfeld reference in 😂
My thoughts about switch 2 backwards compability: soon zelda tears of the kingdom will release, if next console do not have any backwards compability then will we get new console without one of the biggest nintendo games of last couple of years, or they will recreate it from scratch for next generation? I doubt so. Then digital games must not be an issue. Not sure about physical games but I guess/hope they will somehow work too.
idk, BOTW came out at a console change, and just as a version for the wii U und one for the switch. maybe, TOTK will be "worse" like BOTW cause it had to run on an older console as well as on current generation. dont sound compelling to me actually if it will be that way ^^
My Switch fell a few times and now the left JoyCon doesn't snap onto the rail super securely. It snaps on but you don't have to hold the button to take it off. It just slides right off if you put pressure on it. It happens all the time when I put the Switch into the Satisfye grip.
But that could be an issue with the JoyCon itself. I don't have another left JoyCon one to test
This happens when you drop the switch, and a small plastic mechanism used to lock it in place breaks.
I think it has to be backwards compatible because otherwise they'll suffer like Xbox and PS with a slow release schedule. I remember Switch early days had really slow releases and then it wasn't until Zelda the sales skyrocketed.
Nah, I think their first-party will have a normal release and third-party may have slow release
Think if they want to not go back-wards compatible they need to launch with bare minimum Metroid 4, a new Zelda game, a new Mario game, a new lengthy & visually impressive RPG and Mario Kart on launch otherwise sales will stagnate because everyone will stick to the Switch or PC gaming
Thing is with console gaming these days, the margins aren't that great between lets say a self-made gaming pc, so to draw people in you need something to hook people. If the console is another handheld thats especially true. If console only, they'll struggle vs Playstation vs Microsoft. I love Nintendo but this time round they can't be lazy with their release schedule.
@@glitchasaur I do think they need a new hook besides keeping hybrid and backward compatibility to make switch players to be viable to upgrade. One of the approach they can take is attaching a second screen or camera that are sold separately. The second screen attaches in handheld mode and comes with a hinge and have a top-bottom screen similar to a DS, it can be docked and 2 joy-con rails will be given and slide it onto the display similar to a Wii U. The camera module can have a rear and front facing camera with microphone, as well as allowing to be detached when docked. Their can also be a 3D screen with a 3D slider too.
Love this podcast but I agree with another comment that you guys should do a little research before these videos. The reasoning as to why they believe backwards compatibility might be difficult is because the Tegra X1 is on a different architecture than the rumored Tegra X2 with DLSS. The features of DLSS need an entirely new architecture, and if the rumors are true, then it would be difficult without also including the X1, which would make the cost go up.
Im wondering if those stickers are the same sticker sheets that come with the mario switch that was advertised.
Definitely agree with Skoot, the next console will be a variation of the Switch and be backwards compatible - big bad if i'm wrong. After that, the next console probably wont be backwards compatible but who the heck knows.
100% agree with Wood regarding move trailers. I'm at the point where if I know I'm going to watch a move/tv show or play a video game I actively avoid trailers.
Hey so about the architecture wouldn't be easier for developers to keep the same if not similar architecture to make the launch titles more quality than they could be?
I wish the switch took advantage of the tablet aspect like better touch functionality. I know everyone hates touch controls but how cool would it have been to have the gameboy and gba skins for touch controls like on emulatos for the phone but for switch online and even ds one day or just for playing some games like pinball fx with just the tablet also wish there were more streaming services!
As a proud owner of the WiiU the only game that I have rebought on the Switch was Mario Kart 8 and it took me a very long time to do so and I only ended up doing it because they added so much content with the new tracks (most of which trigger Nostalgia for me) that it was like buying a new game.
The only other game I would consider buying again would be Starfox, because I love the series, loved Zero and it was so underrated that it needs every support it can get. Other than that I have no intention of rebuying the same games all the time. Maybe in 2 or 3 generations again and at a heavy discount.
I found wierd that Woods does not understand the backwards compact has been one of the mayor selling points on previous Nintendo consoles. The gbc could play gb games, the gba played gbc games, the ds played gba games and the 3ds could play ds games. The same with the wii been able to play gambecube games and the wii u been able to play wii games (even GameCube if moded ofcurse). Not only Nintendo in this matter, since the xbox series can play almost all the previous generations of games. Playstation only problem is the main issues with the ps3, but even the ps5 is selling pretty well and it has the ps4 library. So backwards compact is actually a good selling feature for consoles.
New drinking game, a shot for every time they say "Switch"
They could do what they did with the DS and GBA, adding a slot for the current Switch games with whatever method they want for the new console. I've only had the first NES and the Switch, so I don't have the nostalgia of many games. For me, the Switch is about portability, so I don't use it as much because I mostly play PC games, but I like to have the option there for different situations. What could also happen is what we see now with the Nintendo Account Online where old games are "emulated" in the new console. They could come out with a completely new platform, not backwards compatible, then just ask for more money so that you can have access to original Switch games.
I completely agree with wood. They show way too much in the trailers now. For instance, you can pretty much determine if a movie is going to flop or not by simply watching the trailers, it’s just too much info.
Your thumbnail matches my comment description on rgt85's video yesterday...
Would you ever do your patron stuff to audio?? I listen to you guys while I work and it's been getting awkward when my coworkers see CZcams up..... Hahaha
What makes sense in business standpoint it's to make it all compatible. People would buy just because it's more powerful and looks better on their 4k TVs...
The boots are riding the fashion wave of the Astro Boy Big Red Boots.
Boston aquarium is awesome!
It feels like people are having two different conversations under the same tag, I think the general consensus is if it is a new hybrid system all together there will be no backwards compatibility. However if it's under the same umbrellas as the switch, new switch but better, it will (like the DS or Gameboy).
To everyone saying it’s not obvious the choice Nintendo could make, the switch is also a Nintendo handheld. Every Nintendo handheld since the Gameboy color except for the dsi was backwards compatible for at least 1 generation. So there’s a major sign that they would go the backwards compatibility route.
Yaasss Wet and lollipop Chainsaw were fun
Companies should leak stuff like this so the communities argue about whether consoles should have a feature or go a certain direction and then the company can make their decision on what would be most well received (and profitable). I.e. if most people said backwards compat would convince them to buy a console.
Red Wing does make the best work boots at least.
You can make any switch your ‘primary’ switch and deregister it to make a different one your primary as many times as you want. I do it all the time. You deregister it on your profile in the eshop. Then sign into the eshop of the switch you want to make your primary. There is no limit to how often you can switch back and forth.
You can deregister a console as your primary on the website but you can only do that once a year not once in a life time. That option is for if you lose your primary switch and need to replace it so you don’t have the console itself to deregister on the eshop.
You would only have to call Nintendo if say you lost your switch, bought a new one, deregister your old one on the site so you can make your new on the primary, then lost THAT switch within a year so you can’t deregister on the website. Then you’d have to call Nintendo to do it for you.
okay but I hadn't watched the trailers and you guys just spoiled those things for me 🤣
If people bought the 3ds, which played ds games, bought the Gameboy advance which played Gameboy color and Gameboy games, bought the Wii which played GameCube games and few bought the Wii u which could play Wii games..
They'd gladly buy the switch successor with backwards compatibility.
I have a Wii u, I bought Mario kart 8 twice, so I could play with my friends who didn't have a Wii u (my friend who had a Wii u that I would play with also bought the game again LOL)
But that's the only game i rebought.
One of my joy cons just slips on and off and I take such good care of my switch and I've only had it for 2.5 years
My theory since practically the launch of the switch has been that Nintendo should release the Switch POWER DOCK, an accessory that gives it a graphical boost. Games can be optimized foe the Power Dock, or new games be exclusive for it. Then they can release a new switch model that has the same power as the dock and the original model, but doesn't need to be docked for all of its power to be used.
Knowing Nintendo. They would like to make money. So no backwards compatible which would just mean I’ll end up waiting another 5 years like i did with the switch in the first place. The OLED switch is my first switch. So now I’ve been playing old games that I found on sale.
Nintendo's been good about home consoles being backwards compatible with the previous generation, starting with the Wii. Yeah, the Switch needed to change things but for better or worst, they ported a lot of the best Wii U games to it. Whatever the successor to the Switch may be, it will have to be backwards compatible because Nintendo just can't abandon the Switch cards and Joycons. I believe the next home console will be a better Switch. Not necessarily a generic Switch Pro but a more powerful and refined Switch, potentially slightly redesigned.
Go to the soap guy, that stuff is awesome it comes in precut loafs!
If there’s backward compatibility for both physical and digital for Switch+, the physical backward compatibility will be part of the Nintendo Switch Online subscription and the physical and digital will be part of the Nintendo Switch Online Plus Expansion Pack subscription.
Wood is absolutely right, movie trailers these days spoil most of the movie. I try to avoid them as much has i can.
Thats why i am avoiding the 3rd mario movie trailer
I started a new TV show last night on Hulu, I wanted to see it, I was sold just from the graphic, no further selling me needed.
Very first thing they show before the very first episode is a two minute long trailer of seemingly every joke and gag I'm about to see on this show that I have already decided to watch.
I reacted fast and scrolled through it, but.... thats so stupid! It wasn't even a commercial, it was part of the episode!
@@goosepapoose8666 whats the show
@@westonsgenericchannel History of the World Part 2
@@goosepapoose8666 thanks
...since a lot of rumors are popping out for Switch 2, should one go for Switch currently? Was planning to get OLED model... thanks
I definitely broke something inside my right joycon. But it still works. It’s just got something loose in it. If you drop it and it hits a joycon first, it’s super scary.
I am curious why we are discussing backwards compatibility so much and how it is not a good market strategy, and not discussing how Xbox and Playstation did go with backwards compatibility from last Gen to current gen. PC gaming is backwards compatibille in this day and age, and if Nintendo does not go that route, they will piss off a huge percentage of their base. Better performance, and better future games will bring people over in time. Any company now that does not bring current gen games with them to next gen will get backlash.
The DS and Wii sold phenomenal and both were backwards compatible, and everyone still bought the new games because we like new games
I really see no argument for why a consumer wouldn’t want backwards compatibility (besides maybe price? If for some reason it increases the cost?)
The yolk is where all of the nutrition is too… 37:22
36:30 im munchin mackeys lol
Nontendo is featured in Rusty's real deal baseball. Just found that out because of the 3DS eshop closing.
"They don't do backwards compatibility stuff" is a weirtd thing to say, considering the Wii had a Gamecube inside, an the WiiU had a whole Wii mode too.
Both the guys are right honestly. Wood is right in that it is better for Nintendo business-wise if they start fresh, no backwards compatibility, and make them buy all the new games. Bob is right because that is anti-consumer. Personally, I didn't buy a Switch for a while because I didn't know if it would have games I would enjoy.
Backwards compatibility means bringing to the new console the entire store with 15k games available to buy day one, it is not just about letting people redownload their old games.
Surprised no one brought up the MSCHF Astroboy Boots, feels like its the exact thing Nintendo tried with the Mario Boots. Those you COULD purchase, despite being an expensive fashion item, so I see why others would think they could purchase these Mario Boots.
I like that this whole discussion about not being backward compatible is better completely forgets that both PS5 and XSX/S are doing it. I don’t hear anybody saying “nobody buys PS5 games because they already have PS4 games”, why would that be different between Switch 1 and 2?
With backwards compatibility it is just a good option. Like with a normal console you spend like half a grand on a brand new console and you get it for Christmas for your kid. Do you think a normal family will buy a regular Xbox or PlayStation or spend more money for some random game their kid might not like. It lets everybody have something to play when they get their new console and it helps previous generation games still sell. Someone who skipped the switch generation and goes right to the second could grab Mario Odyssey or breath of the wild, these very great games can keep being sold to a new audience where if you have to buy it again it honestly wouldn’t sell well except for the people who missed out like with the Wii U generation. Like I own a Wii U and haven’t touched it or bought any games really for it. It’s just for HDMI for Mario party 8 really now.
Backwards compatibility is just a nice thing. Cause everybody deserves to play their new console the day the get it.
So the wii playing gamecube discs or wiiU with Wii discs didn't exists
*exist
@mskelton07 Thanks. It Keeps changing the words as I type. English is my 2nd language and I have my phone set to a 3rd one to "help me" when messaging to those on the 3rd one. Teacher
@@noe6248 no problem!
@@noe6248 it’s just a verb-tense agreement issue. Kind of hard for programs to get right, just a stupid English rule lol
Or the 3DS playing DS cartridges
Or the DS playing GBA cartridges
Or the GBA playing GB/GBC cartridges
‘Historically Nintendo hasn’t done backward compatibility’
Wii Played GameCube games
Wii U played Wii games
DS played GBA games
3ds plays DS games
What are you guys on about?
every gen of gameboy played the old gens games as well.
That’s literally every 2000’s era Nintendo system
@@shadowcastyt n64 and gamecube had no backwards compatibility
They always do a 1 previous generation thing except for the switch but as long as it’s still switch related then it’ll be backwards compatible for sure
Honestly I’d love to see a more powerful Switch running on hardware kinda like what a Quest is running on or a Steam Deck and then make the dock like an external GPU so that we’ve got more powerful handheld and then really powerful docked
Wii played GameCube games and had GameCube controller ports... Also Wii u let you have a virtual Wii console that played all Wii discs
Handhelds had backwards compatibility GB GBP then GBC. GBP was like a GBSlim. On the GBC you can play GB on there. GBA you can play GB GBC and GBA on there. GBA to GBASP to GBMicro. GBMicro only did GBA and GBASP did all like the GBA. DS and DSLite had GBA backwards compatibility. DSi only did DS then when the whole line of 3DS and 2DS came it was backwards compatible with DS and there were rare DSi games where you needed a camera. There were a few games only working on New3DS so 3DS on New 3DS. You were able to transfer your digital games from the DSi to 3DS and 3DS to New 3DS. Besides that you were still able to play the physical games down the road.
Consoles completely different only 2 consoles that had backwards compatibility are the Wii and WiiU. Play GC on Wii and play Wii on WiiU. Other consoles depended on what 3rd party product you had to play on same thing.
With the Switch being a hybrid though, I see backwards compatibility for sure digitally. I say it depends if it’s going to be a home console or another hybrid for physical backwards compatibility. If the switch had 3DS backwards compatibility, as in the cartridges and /or the cartridge slot were different I’m sure there would’ve been a little more sales difference with a good library of 3DS games. Plus transferring data from your 3DS to the Switch making more options and not having to carry a handheld and hybrid if individuals still play DS to the 3DS titles. That could’ve made the Switch practically a DS player like the GameBoy Player for the GC.
I overall hope the next gen is going to have some backwards compatibility for physical games in a way. Whether you attach or connect something in a way.
Completely agree with Bob. There's no way that backwards compatibility hurts a console. I bet that this will be more like ds to 3ds or gameboy to gba.
Would be a 10/10 if Scoot wasn't trying to take over the conversation every 5 minutes.
He kept saying how he knows so much pr and how important he was why have I never heard of him til this podcast
I’m honestly not trying to be mean. And I’m not a hater. I can’t help how I feel. Legit, when Jackson is on the podcast it’s borderline un-watchable for me. Sucks too because I love listening to Bob and Wood.
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What I'm wondering is if Nintendo will ever go back to using discs. If they continue with cards, then backwards compatibility is necessary.
Red wing isn't known for "fashion" redwing is known for high quality work boots. I work in maintenance and everyone I know talks about redwings but we can't afford them because they are so high quality.
Come get an episode of the two wifes on the show and have the guys sit out ?
If it's not backwards compatible im getting a steam deck
I agree that trailers can reveal too much now a days and that can ruin a movie for big fans. However, I think that if a movie is that important to you to experience with out spoilers you should make an effort to avoid said traitors/spoilers. I know for Wood it particularly is difficult because it’s his job to react to these things but imagine how unique his context to be if a he made a “I watched the Mario movie without spoilers” or just shifted his thinking about enjoying the leaks and spoilers because of what could be possible if that way he can enjoy these things instead of despising them
Wasn’t the wii backwards compatibility with Game cube
I think they should basically follow the DS to 3DS set up. Make old games backwards compatible, but new games only work with new consoles. The new “gimmick” is the Nintendo V Switch; an extra $100, it comes with something similar to those ray ban looking vr glasses. New releases have better graphics in tv and handheld, plus vr mode. This way they could re-release the switch games with enhanced graphics and a vr mode. Then they could sell a beefier $4-500 compatible headset as an accessory that compares to the quest.
I can't remember any Nintendo handheld (other than the original, obviously) that wasn't backwards compatible. Am I forgetting something? 🤔 The Switch is a hybrid system though so I guess it could go either way. I would hope they do have the compatibility though, for people who need to save up for the new games after buying the new system. At least they would have something to play in the meantime.
I'll have to pay attention to gaming systems again to find out what is going on with that. I stopped playing any games since the original PlayStation because of extreme vertigo with 3D games. I was getting interested in the Steamdeck recently but I'm apparently too broke for game systems these days. Prices are insane.
Why don't you just move the canvas photo of you two to the center of the set already?
Kinda bummed for Wood, hopefully they tell both of em more obviously next time :3
What if they do something akin to the New 3ds? Only certain games can run on it because they require more power?
That’s exactly what I was thinking
i think it helps due to the looking at ds and 3ds games the new 3ds could play ds games but ds couldnt play ds games
also if you get people to buy the next system and it is BC with switch games it allows Nintendo to get more money from the new system because the person went and bought the new system to play their old games and that person might more inclined to buy new games so I think they 100% have to try to make the new system BC. Im not buying metroid dread more HD version when I have it already. They just need to make it so its a very seamless thing where all the games are already on their eshop and they just merge that over to the new system and the cart games just need maybe an update or something.
I feel like Nintendo's in a really unique position where they have a LARGE fanbase of people that like to play their older games and will hold onto older handhelds or frequently emulate them. The Switch combined that handheld audience with their home console audience. However, backwards compatibility on the Switch isn't a super realistic option for games made on the DS and 3DS, because of the lack of 2 screens. It can be worked around, but they won't do it. The Switch 2 could be their workaround for this, whether it has a second screen, some sort of Wii U setup where you can use the switch both docked and undocked, or maybe some sort of streaming situation. This could be their big backwards compatible nintendo machine that simultaneously attracts people that want the next Switch, and people that just want to retro game.
I think the slow rollout of these Nintendo Online retro collections are maybe foreshadowing this. They can add as many Gameboy games, N64 games, even Gamecube and Wii games as they want, but once they work their way up the timeline into DS, 3DS, and even Wii U games, they won't be able to effectively emulate those on the Switch. Queue the Switch 2.
Them cutting off the 3DS store is also maybe foreshadowing this.
Give me a reason to rebuy them. Upgraded graphics, additional content, alternate endings, reimagined stories. Took me years before I bought a switch lite. I mainly play handhelds and it wasn't as appealing as my n3dsxl at the time. Joycons were as much of a turn off as the wii remote.
Backward compatibility with the prospect of the new console making games run better and look better is reason enough on its own
A 3Dified Switch is not far fetched. I keep thinking they are going to implement that parallax effect that a some Android tablets and phones did unsuccessfully a couple years ago. It would kind of work on a Nintendo console. They can capitalize on the AR / VR craze without doing a full blown headset. It would also make sense for them to upgrade the controller to recognize individual fingers and add a depth sensor for body tracking when docked. This could bring over a lot of VR titles without the risk of going all in on a headset. I think developers would love it because they would have another platform to sell VR titles. If enough people were to buy those games they could build off of it and launch a headset at some point. Aside from all of that I think they'll bring a camera to the front to do in-game video chat with like Snapchat filters.
While it's a novel idea, I don't think we'll see anything VR/AR related until the whole system could be built into a pair of light weight sunglasses that cost $300. No wires, no setup hassle, no controllers, no screen door effect, and no physical limitations like 'must be required to stand.' Basically the power of the next gen VR headsets with Windows Hololens technology all crammed into a pair of red Oakley's. Nintendo will definitely be the company to produce it but I'm thinking 2050 at least if not a lot longer. Cloud computing would definitely help relieve hardware limits now that I think about it, so maybe closer to 2040.
I think that even though they make a lot of money on the switch rereleasing old games, they won’t make nearly as much if they ported the same games to the next console. The adoption rate of games on the switch was so high. All the people who bought skyward sword, Kirby’s return to dreamland, donkey Kong tropical freeze, etc. aren’t gonna buy it on the switch 2. It’s too soon. Maybe I’m wrong but I think starting fresh when the console that came before it was such a big success. With the Wii u being such a disaster it didn’t need backwards compatibility because not as many people had the games. All those Wii U ports feel like new games to so many people. The switch 2 will have a harder time selling games like that
I truly hope that the Switch 2 doesn’t have a foldable screen. That is just asking for so many issues. Not only does it make the console infinitely less durable…but also just simply opening and closing the console is slowly breaking it because those screens are made to only handle opening and closing a limited number of times. Which sure may not be a problem for everyone but for someone who is constantly playing their switch on the go and going back and forth between handheld and docked gameplay…that could make it a more likely scenario.
It's amazing how the human mind can work. I mean I decided to tune out a certain voice in this podcast and it made listening to both Bob and Wood exponentially better.
Lol I know what you mean….