NONTENDO & POINTCROW VS NINTENDO: They Copyright STRIKED His Whole Channel | Podcast #48

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  • čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
  • The first 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/nontendopodcast04231 | On today's episode, Bob and Wood welcome PointCrow to the Nontendo stage! They talk about the recent targeted(?) attacks to PointCrow's channel that resulted in takedowns of over 20 videos and multiple copyright strikes. Is Nintendo trying to set a precedent?
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Komentáře • 386

  • @nontendopodcast
    @nontendopodcast  Před rokem +32

    The first 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/nontendopodcast04231

    • @Gaming4Geeks
      @Gaming4Geeks Před rokem

      Technically yes you are right about mods not being illegal
      But it really kinda depends on a bunch of factors.
      The main ones are: did you buy the game, did you “sign” a terms of service agreement, and are you/the mod creator making money off of the mod.
      If you bought the game, and the terms of service states that the game can not be modded, then while it’s not illegal, you will most likely loose the right to play the game once the modding is found out (especially for online games like World of Warcraft).
      If you bought the game, and the terms of service says it’s ok to mod/nothing about mods at all, then you’re good.
      Now, the third reason: gaming companies make games to get money from customers.
      When these gaming companies find out that mods for their games are being sold, they get upset for two reasons: their loosing money to another person, and their creative work of art is being altered.
      Thus, if you are making mods and getting paid for it, you have to be really careful to make sure you have permission to make the mods in the first place, and then you normally have to pay for licensing fees to the original game’s company.

  • @ConfusedEli
    @ConfusedEli Před rokem +145

    This genuinely helped me understand the situation better, good episode.

  • @jodiemcclure7854
    @jodiemcclure7854 Před rokem +181

    arlo needs to be on the podcast

    • @j23roa
      @j23roa Před rokem +9

      Do you enjoy listening to him complain about how spoilers terrorize his life every single video

    • @DaughterOfYahweh-
      @DaughterOfYahweh- Před rokem +16

      Arlo is awesome

    • @j23roa
      @j23roa Před rokem +2

      @@DaughterOfYahweh- awesome is a strong word, i can understand if you enjoy his personality because he presents himself as always in pain and scared, but awesome is not the correct word for him

    • @patrickshaw411
      @patrickshaw411 Před rokem +12

      He better be using the puppet the whole time!

    • @jannahsadiq
      @jannahsadiq Před rokem +1

      @@j23roa yes

  • @sveadezember403
    @sveadezember403 Před rokem +42

    It was happening some time ago for the ACNH community. They almost shut down Liss the Lass's channel and others. Can't understand how a company is that blind... I hope they will come through.

  • @luminescentlophorina5108
    @luminescentlophorina5108 Před rokem +12

    I remember watching pointcrow during school all the time, I watched him and smallant every single day during Covid.Watching the clip of pointcrow joking about collectors anxiety is iconic! It’s really sad to see Nintendo do this, I hope they can resolve this.

  • @brianschuster4235
    @brianschuster4235 Před rokem +19

    Im drowning in work trying to graduate with my bachelors, but I love that this episode happened and I cannot wait to watch it when I am finally finished. Much love ❤

  • @randomyoutubecommenterr
    @randomyoutubecommenterr Před rokem +33

    "Moon Channel" has a good video on copyright for both PointCrow's case and why Nintendo (and SEGA) does what they do. It's a bit more complicated than Eric thinks sadly.
    A video on PointCrow's situation (and possibly why he took down his own video discussing his situation)
    czcams.com/video/mo_AmQgSSqY/video.html
    A video on why Nintendo does what they do. I had no clue they were in possession of literally the most valuable IP collection in the world.
    czcams.com/video/i13hrynnGNY/video.html

    • @Gaming4Geeks
      @Gaming4Geeks Před rokem +5

      Yh I have seen it and I have come to the conclusion that, it is much more complex then @pointcrow understanding of it.

    • @TrixyTrixter
      @TrixyTrixter Před rokem +6

      Its a good video. Really sad that so many people will never see it and just take pointcrows words here for the entire thing.

    • @NoOne-yp1qe
      @NoOne-yp1qe Před rokem

      I was wondering do you people know if watching videos from Pointcrow, Bob, Wood and Moon Channel, etc. are illegal? Have we committed crimes by watching them? If these videos are illegal or in direct violation of 'a law(?),' the EULA then are we perpetuating or whatever the term is?
      I mean the first video talked about how the first three of four videos were mods so those were no-no's and then goes on to say that the other one that didn't go against the Guidelines still violates the EULA for showing content of Nintendo, so now I'm worried, haha!
      Also random thought but is it true that everyone's mom (is that offensive?) has called a video game console Nintendo since the 1990s? For the last 20+ years, I've heard most everyone call video game consoles 'PlayStation' does this mean that Sony has taken the same measures as Nintendo (What I mean is, do you know of any videos on that subject, heh)? Also, could it be a region thing? I've lived in a few countries in North America and Europe but I'm pretty sure Moon Channel is from the US so I am confused how they have exclusively heard 'Nintendo' and I have exclusively heard 'PlayStation'.

    • @TrixyTrixter
      @TrixyTrixter Před rokem +1

      @@NoOne-yp1qe No. Watching the videos are not illegal.

    • @WusigiDr1
      @WusigiDr1 Před rokem

      @@TrixyTrixter i’m sure you know this as well, but just thought I’d point this out they have mentioned the moon channel video in their most recent or somewhat recent podcast. That’s what got me to go watch it! So, at least people that are recurring viewers/listeners are aware of it and hopefully more people are checking it out, if they are interested :-) I’m glad that they took time out of an episode to bring attention to moon channel and their video about it

  • @hannahappa
    @hannahappa Před rokem +108

    You guys and Arlo are my go to CZcamsrs for all things games and Nontendo - awesome to see a collab

    • @DankerTVTimeCapsule
      @DankerTVTimeCapsule Před rokem +4

      Will be tough to do a collab podcast as getting Arlo on screen in real time will be difficult.

    • @j23roa
      @j23roa Před rokem +6

      Arlo is too scared of everything for my liking, it's like watching a weak friend never gain courage and rely mostly on sympathy and people feeling sorry for him

    • @DaughterOfYahweh-
      @DaughterOfYahweh- Před rokem +2

      ​@@j23roa don't get it twisted Arlo keeps things family friendly. Don't get that confused with being weak.

    • @j23roa
      @j23roa Před rokem +4

      @@DaughterOfYahweh- i take him as being weak because he's emotionally damaged by spoilers, yet he feels pressured to still watch spoilers. And he complains the entire time. He doesn't have the strength to just either skip the spoilers or enjoy them

    • @Mirage475
      @Mirage475 Před rokem

      @@DaughterOfYahweh- he literally was crying about the last Zelda trailer about how hard his life is. He’s a soft man baby

  • @jonathansantiago5327
    @jonathansantiago5327 Před rokem +9

    This entire conversation is quite eye-opening. In theory, Nintendo can pull CZcams’s arm into striking hundreds of CZcamsrs who have used any images of any of their games if they wanted to. Beatemups can be striked down tomorrow out of the blue as well. This is worrisome.

  • @cosygracegames
    @cosygracegames Před rokem +8

    That was incredibly insightful, I’m so grateful to hear all three of your takes and it was super entertaining, love you guys!

    • @ezbake24
      @ezbake24 Před rokem

      *left out the part where point crow pays $10,000 to make the mod*

  • @mschmalfeldt
    @mschmalfeldt Před rokem +5

    Point "Not the Woz" Crow

  • @Waxson77
    @Waxson77 Před rokem +3

    Thought you had the woz for a sec

  • @LKTTRG
    @LKTTRG Před rokem +3

    I thought you guys just gonna mention this but to have him as a guest, this is great

  • @cychan.tkd.krt_
    @cychan.tkd.krt_ Před rokem +12

    Did Eric make sure they are not a family of 4? 🙈

  • @IsabellaElaina
    @IsabellaElaina Před 8 měsíci

    Pointcrow is literally the reason I started playing Zelda again after beating them once and getting bored! I don’t even mod but the entertainment he brings and the joy he shares brings so much life back into the game it’s a shame Nintendo doesn’t recognize that

  • @frankpred47
    @frankpred47 Před rokem +4

    They struck it down because multiplayer is in TOTK and he had a multiplayer mod.

    • @frankpred47
      @frankpred47 Před rokem

      @@sionnachrealta5534 so my Hail Mary idea is that this is a rouse and that’s why they say “and you are not alone” at the end. There’s going to be some type of boss fights only or challenge based side multiplayer mode.

  • @justhalfpixel
    @justhalfpixel Před rokem +31

    the crossover i never thought i needed till it happened. Now it doesnt make sense why it hadnt happened till now

  • @DemiImp
    @DemiImp Před rokem +2

    Nintendo needs to get their crap together. This is unacceptable

  • @luvie802
    @luvie802 Před 8 měsíci

    i just love how pointcrow is all silly and stuff on his own channel but hes so giggly and flustered here everytime they praise him or something, too precious we must protect

  • @atypicaldaringdad4245
    @atypicaldaringdad4245 Před rokem +31

    At about the 44-minute mark, Bob says that modding prolongs the games Life... He's right! And I think that's what Nintendo hates. Prolonging the life means that you're spending more time on your current games and not going out to spend your money on newer games.

    • @balidr
      @balidr Před rokem +3

      or more like...thats my IP..dont freaking touch my IP because if you put a glitch in it with a mod, it can look like that was always there and you can do with it a bad advertisment on my quality product

    • @TheRealNintendoKid
      @TheRealNintendoKid Před rokem +1

      @@balidr "leave the multibillion dollar company alone."

    • @TrixyTrixter
      @TrixyTrixter Před rokem +4

      @@TheRealNintendoKid "A Lawyer Explains the PointCrow Takedowns and the Legality of Mods" Try watching the video. It explains the situation better and does not just go "Big company bad because big company"

    • @phoenix9531
      @phoenix9531 Před rokem

      Ah yes. That's why the put out a Zelda game every year like Assassin's Creed, not every 6 years, right? Stop it with baseless tinfoil hat theorizing.

  • @Marcus_and_More
    @Marcus_and_More Před rokem +7

    Dude, I was really hoping they would do this! Best of luck Eric!!!

  • @StegDarkhorse
    @StegDarkhorse Před rokem +7

    On the subject of Nuzlockes (and a lot of this conversation in general), Nintendo has a very strict idea of how they're games are *supposed* to be played. I hope I'm not misremembering this, but sometime during Splatoon 1 there were some complaints and suggestions by fans on changes they would like to see to help improve the game. The director (Or a developer in that type of position) said that they knew what was the best way to enjoy their game. Nintendo as a company has their idea of how their games should be enjoyed, and anything deviating from that is looked down upon.

  • @pencilcheck
    @pencilcheck Před rokem +7

    My thoughts: some corporates will not see CZcamsr videos as free ads for their games. They see those videos as just a product from Google to boost their CZcams ads revenue algorithm.

  • @micabryant4513
    @micabryant4513 Před rokem +18

    That got real conceited towards the end...think they all need a reality check..they benefit far more from their relationship with Nintendo's content.
    Also wood near the end being like
    "IM NOT SPARTICUS...BUT THOSE GUYS ARE!"....Great look..

    • @GoldChocobo77
      @GoldChocobo77 Před rokem

      Even if they benefit more from that relationship, their channels still help Nintendo with sales. It's just facts that thousands of people buy consoles and games thanks to content creators. So why needing a reality check, when all you do is helping and not harming.

    • @micabryant4513
      @micabryant4513 Před rokem

      @@GoldChocobo77 because its important for the health of their own careers to understand that power balance...the old phrase " don't bite the hand that feeds" comes to mind.

    • @GoldChocobo77
      @GoldChocobo77 Před rokem

      @Mica Bryant ... they seems very respectful imo, and very careful with their wording. But I respect your opinion if that's how you see it

    • @mattgibson9337
      @mattgibson9337 Před rokem +7

      ​@@GoldChocobo77 there's a good video on 'moon channel' that explains the situation from a legal standpoint but essentially everything that video game content creators do on CZcams is at the mercy of developers. Let's play and other such content is allowed as a result of those companies choosing not to enforce their copyright. And if a company determines that they have more to lose allowing your content to remain up then they are well within their right to take action.

    • @GoldChocobo77
      @GoldChocobo77 Před rokem

      @Matt Gibson I understand that, they also explained it in the podcast. But the point is Nintendo is copyright striking game footage to have mod video removed, while moding is legal by their own rules. So they're contradicting themselves with a shady tactic that's unfair. All content creators are asking is for clarity.

  • @CoquiFamilyChannel
    @CoquiFamilyChannel Před rokem +2

    Awesome video. Thanks for all your hard work!

  • @sk8boardfreewatch275
    @sk8boardfreewatch275 Před rokem +3

    Nintendo is upset with Scott the Woz

  • @theunreal_TOEBEANS
    @theunreal_TOEBEANS Před rokem +3

    Almost at 50 episodes?! Wow!

  • @cosmocorpseking
    @cosmocorpseking Před rokem +4

    You all's podcast is my favorite! :D

  • @GalacticPoisonX
    @GalacticPoisonX Před rokem +3

    Yooo let’s go never thought I’d see beatemups and pointcrow collab

  • @kinggamez4704
    @kinggamez4704 Před rokem +10

    Wood gets dropped from Nintendo for making Zelda mod video pointcrow gets his channel nuked because of Zelda mod videos lol
    Wood: Nintendo tell us if you don’t like mod videos
    Me:🤯🤯🤯 wtf

    • @balidr
      @balidr Před rokem

      so...Content Creators did a mod to BOTW and got nuked and dropped...whats the connection here...oh I see..they hate Content Creators! also Nintendo hates Nintendo Fans!!!

  • @ilan_profile
    @ilan_profile Před rokem

    3 OF MY FAVORITE CZcamsRS IN THE SAME EPISODE?? YALL ARE AWESOME

  • @Pisceanripple
    @Pisceanripple Před rokem +15

    This guy literally streams starring at a wall or watch grass grow or an melting ice cube for 10+ hours. Friggin legendary.

  • @beanswithranch
    @beanswithranch Před rokem +2

    the collab we all neederd

  • @carriejohnson4922
    @carriejohnson4922 Před rokem +2

    I think it has a lot to do with, Nintendo not wanting anyone to start messing with TotK and modding that. Since it’s about to be coming out they are trying to cover their butts.
    One of the biggest things that was done in botw is the bomb glitch, although that is not modding, my point of bringing it up is they removed bombs because they don’t like their game being messed with in even the littlest ways.
    With TotK using a lot of technical things to make the fusing abilities work, the ultrahand work, the ascend and recall work, and if there’s any other big abilities, Nintendo doesn’t want those things messed with in the game, they are going a different direction with this Zelda game and even patented a few new things, they don’t want it getting into some else’s hands other than playing the game how it’s intended to be played and not opening it up to mess with files or add in files to change gameplay in anyway.
    That’s my opinion anyway. I could be wrong, but Nintendo always seems so protective over their stuff and I get it in a way, they are a huge company that doesn’t want any secrets they have getting out. Secrets as in how they made all this worked in TotK so well and run so smoothly on the switch, or if there’s hints to graphical changes or anything in TotK files to run better on new hardware, they wouldn’t want someone knowing about it and potentially leak info.
    I think TotK coming out def speaks loudly to being the reason they are coming after him right now. This game just took them 6years or so to perfect.
    Also they just had a ton of ppl leaking stuff recently lol they are prolly pissed and are trying to show the world you dnt mess with Nintendo.

  • @scraps7624
    @scraps7624 Před rokem

    Such a great listen, thanks 👍

  • @liamwilliams8258
    @liamwilliams8258 Před rokem +1

    You and Bob are the reason I want a Switch even more than I wanted 1 b4...

  • @soulplayrt463
    @soulplayrt463 Před rokem +1

    Preach men, preach, the internet, you need to save THIS VIDEO it could become very important

  • @technored1467
    @technored1467 Před rokem

    I subscribed to both of you more than a year ago in the same week

  • @ScrambledSez
    @ScrambledSez Před rokem +2

    Dreams really do come true. All my fav streamers in one video. ❤❤

  • @tasarasforever
    @tasarasforever Před rokem

    7:52 Can someone please tell me where can I find that Links animated wallpaper? Thank you!

  • @SirMehr
    @SirMehr Před rokem +6

    Nintendo's Boomer is showing

  • @warbossgegguz679
    @warbossgegguz679 Před rokem +1

    All I can say is that going off of their track record with this sort of thing, expect at least some of the content in those mods to show up in TotK.
    If you haven't noticed by now, the projects that tend to be the target of Nintendo DMCA are usually fangames and mods that are similar to something they're internally working on (AM2R, Mario 99, etc.), so if TotK ends up having some sort of MP or whatever I'm not gonna be shocked.

  • @dcat999
    @dcat999 Před rokem +2

    Imagine Nintendo is taking down multiplayer mod vids because tears of the kingdom will have it vanilla

  • @bookedfox
    @bookedfox Před 11 měsíci +1

    I originally started watching PointCrow a couple years ago for his less common non-Breath of the Wild stuff, but bought it because of him. Now I have almost 600 hours and ToTK is the only game I have ever pre-ordered. Probably would have never played otherwise, because all I was hearing on the internet was about how much it deviated from past Zelda hames, which concerned me.

  • @samganji6987
    @samganji6987 Před rokem +1

    Bob got me to buy my switch at 2019 too. Before that my last (and only) nintendo console was a gameboy advance sp.

  • @missidaswann
    @missidaswann Před rokem

    Proud if you. Thank you for sharing ❤

  • @cole3806
    @cole3806 Před rokem

    Does anyone know what happened to the video of crow talking about the situation? Did it get taken down? What’s the sitch now?

  • @hang_in
    @hang_in Před rokem +1

    I love all of you guys!

  • @Gutter.Bravado
    @Gutter.Bravado Před rokem +3

    Been waiting for them to get pointcrow on the show.

  • @srb5776
    @srb5776 Před rokem

    When Nintendo hits you with something out of nowhere, it very similar to taking a RKO

  • @joelwasinger1051
    @joelwasinger1051 Před rokem

    @PointCrow Fwiw, I watched your original video and while I was sympathetic, I really didn’t grasp the situation. This interview convinced me. And it’s not just because I like Wood and Bob or that it’s longer. 😏 I don’t recall that you explained the strikes as well as y’all do here. Plus, frankly, you do come across a lot more likable and credible. I think there would be value in editing and presenting this content and hitting more of the “I’ll be fine; this is bad for Nintendo and the community” notes on your own channel.
    Yes, we don’t/didn’t understand. The discussion here needs to be (summarized) and heard.
    Anyway, this was a great video. Well done all three of you. Keep up the fight. ✊🏼

  • @Mikx100
    @Mikx100 Před rokem +2

    Nintendo is not interested on "your perspective" they are interested about money

  • @Much_Ado
    @Much_Ado Před rokem +18

    On some level, I do hope PointCrow does take a stand on this against Nintendo. I respect his desire to keep things civil and on the down-low, cus the fear of losing your channels, the fear that by the end of things Nintendo will settle on something that's even worse than it is now... those fears are fully rational.
    However, I think it's important to realize that this could have been _anyone._ The fact that they've taken down normal gameplay videos proves that. PointCrow and the other 3 people mentioned, them making mod videos just made them the perfect scapegoats. At the end of the day, Nintendo is fully ready to go back to the days of them taking down each and every video of people playing their games.
    I think that PointCrow just so happens to be in the best position that anyone has been in for _years_ to put Nintendo on the back foot, even for just a single step. The videos that got taken down don't violate Nintendo's rules, and by taking them down, Nintendo is proving that their own word is valueless. So, they can either sit with that, or let the videos go.

    • @lucx
      @lucx Před rokem +7

      This doesn't affect anyone who avoided modding. They flagged 23 modded videos and 1 whose thumbnail/title looked like it might be modded - probably a mistake. Croton had 11 modded videos removed and 1 that was probably a mistake. It's about the modded content.
      Why? If you wanted to play these mods, be honest and admit it's easier to pirate the ROM than to dump it yourself. it doesn't help that he commissioned the multiplayer mod and made unlicensed content with their IP.

    • @joshieeT
      @joshieeT Před rokem +3

      Lol the unmodded one was accidental if you look at the ratio of the taken down modded and unmodded videos.

    • @RichardMatey
      @RichardMatey Před rokem +4

      Eric has no foot to stand on and is best at playing the victim. He is not going to do anything legal, let's be real

  • @louiepikmin3184
    @louiepikmin3184 Před rokem +5

    Idk if Eric is gonna see this but I think he should definitely get into starfield when that comes out, it's the next big game by Bethesda and very well might be the second biggest game of the year behind tears of the kingdom and it's a fun looking open world rpg by a company that, you know, actually cares about their community and content creators. I know that's gonna be like late this year but I still think it's worth looking into

    • @cole3806
      @cole3806 Před rokem +1

      I’d love that tbh, I want to see him play through the fallout games too, you can mod all bethesda games heavy

  • @danijadedd
    @danijadedd Před rokem

    I started watching Eric at around 30k subscribers on CZcams in 2020. I'm so proud to watch him grow over the years, and I'm proud to have supported him at tier 3 for far longer than my wallet should have. 😅

  • @Hadeks_Marow
    @Hadeks_Marow Před rokem +8

    If he really wants to talk to nintendo, he would hire a japanese translator, reupload the video where the reupload is a japanese dub. The main reason nintendo doesn't listen is because the japanese side, the corporate executives, they are very eccocentric.
    They do not care about non-japanese speaking cultures, they do not care about what happens over seas, they do not care about what you put out, UNLESS it effects their bottom line. YOU WILL HOWEVER notice that the way they abuse fans here. . . they treat Japanese channels ALOT differently there. This is strictly because they do not care to hurtle over the language barrier.
    If you make a notice to nintendo, but you do it in english, you are shouting into the void where it will be DIRECTLY forwarded to their legal team. They will not read your subtitles. If you REALLY want to get their attention. . . the video title has to be written in Japanese, the video description has to be written in Japanese and the video's spoken content has to be spoken in Japanese. Anything less than this will be passed on to their legal department who do not care and only exist to hurt you and hunt you down.
    _My occupation (career) is a video game industry analyst, I get paid in consultant fees (paid advice) so when I say this, I mean it:_
    Please Eric, hire a translator to dub the video the same way nintendo does with their trailers/directs. I can't promise it will do anything, but it will increase your odds of getting noticed by the correct eyes. Leaving it only in English WILL do more harm to you than good.

    • @sk8brder40
      @sk8brder40 Před rokem +2

      The copyright strikes are largely made by Nintendo of America.

    • @Hadeks_Marow
      @Hadeks_Marow Před rokem

      @@sk8brder40 and?

    • @sk8brder40
      @sk8brder40 Před rokem +1

      @@Hadeks_Marow so no need for a Japanese translator. The American branch of the company are the ones with the problem

    • @Hadeks_Marow
      @Hadeks_Marow Před rokem

      @@sk8brder40 Thats. . . . not how that works :/
      NoA is a Regional Division of the japanese company. What matters isnt who makes the claims but rather who gives the commands, which isn't NoA. Convincing a "branch" is like convincing the lawyers. Their job isn't to make decisions and policies. As a "branch", their job is to follow orders from the main company. Who you want to convince is not the group receiving orders but rather an entity that actually has power here. That being the main company, not one of their regional branches. That's how a Chain of Command works.

    • @sk8brder40
      @sk8brder40 Před rokem +1

      @@Hadeks_Marow fair enough, that makes sense

  • @RedHotMessResell
    @RedHotMessResell Před rokem +2

    I want live action Mario Party round 2. It should become a yearly thing with Point Crow.

  • @Mister_Yorch
    @Mister_Yorch Před rokem

    1:16:15 Ian? That's the first three letter name that came to my mind Lol 😂

  • @SJMan2022
    @SJMan2022 Před rokem +7

    When I saw the thumbnail, I thought they would address what happened for a few minutes and move on but Point "Collectors Anxiety" Crow is here

  • @abdullahaw8332
    @abdullahaw8332 Před rokem +1

    Bob is the reason I bought my Switch too

  • @MrLinkDay
    @MrLinkDay Před rokem +1

    It is such a thin line we live in because of this guidelines and licences. I see Nintendo getting mad at a guy paying 10K to fund a mod, and somehow that goes public cause of internet, but it's so harsh for them to go and strike twice like a mafia dude holding your head at gunpoint.

    • @lucx
      @lucx Před rokem +2

      “A multiplayer mod is sophisticated enough that it enters almost into crack territory”. Security concerns is a big red line and Pointcrow doesn't have a legal leg to stand on this or any of the points he made. A lawyer explains the situation: czcams.com/video/mo_AmQgSSqY/video.html

  • @Dexter_dolman
    @Dexter_dolman Před rokem

    worlds best colab ong

  • @mrw3951
    @mrw3951 Před rokem +1

    Crazy that they're talking about IP and Owner's Rights with Pointcrow looking like a young Louis Rossman. No shade, but when Bob brought up John Deere, that's all I could see from there.

  • @ChiruKobra
    @ChiruKobra Před rokem +23

    The thing about the mod -if Nintendo ever responds and claims it's about the mods- is that they don't have a legal leg to stand on. These mods (as Pointcrow is explaining them) are not much different than what cheat devices from the 90's (game genie, game shark, etc.) And if you remember, Nintendo actually took one of those companies to court... and lost.
    Maybe that's why Nintendo is being very sneaky about things, so they don't have a repeat of that embarrassing moment.

  • @syedamirazhar7942
    @syedamirazhar7942 Před rokem

    well done episode, love it

  • @adriancurrier
    @adriancurrier Před rokem +1

    I feel like the culture in Japan is very much based around respecting authority and not questioning it and that this might be the mindset of the administrators at Nintendo. Maybe this explains why they don't want to sit at the table with people like PointCrow?

  • @x149te
    @x149te Před rokem +1

    I think that the main catch in the fight against Nintendo and its strikes is the fact that money was paid for multiplayer. it could have a negative impact in court

    • @HunterSlingbaum
      @HunterSlingbaum Před rokem +2

      i don’t think that should be an issue because the mod itself 1) does not contain any nintendo assets and 2) is functionally the modern day version of a gameshark/action replay/etc. which had the consumers directly paying for the modifications. another comment mentioned this, but apparently nintendo took one of those aforementioned companies to court back in the day & lost so they know precedent isn’t in their favor legally

  • @skyman6936
    @skyman6936 Před rokem +5

    I legitimately thought I didn't like wood or his channel till episode 23. Now I've had this whole pod cast on while I work. Bob's cay mentality and Wood's dog mentality is hilarious together

  • @euden
    @euden Před rokem

    Does anyone have links to these specific multiplayer mods they mention? I'd love to play the OOT one!

    • @noahdavis7406
      @noahdavis7406 Před rokem

      Unfortunately we can't link things (especially like that) on CZcams.
      But if you search up the Ocarina Of Time Multiplayer and check out cbr's article, you should get a good idea on how to do it!

  • @MadShadow_
    @MadShadow_ Před rokem +10

    Probably a risky but not a bad idea, that every Nintendo content creator plays the multiplayer mod all at the same time on Twitch and or CZcams. Curious how Nintendo would cope with that.

  • @molten8022
    @molten8022 Před rokem

    Ayo new 3rd member of the Non tendo podcast

  • @kyledurham4478
    @kyledurham4478 Před rokem +1

    What has influenced my Nintendo Switch purchase history?:
    a) CZcams independent creators 80%
    b) Friends 20%
    c) Nintendo sponsored marketing 0%
    Don't alienate independent content creators; Spend your marketing $$$ on supporting them.

    • @ezbake24
      @ezbake24 Před rokem +1

      Dude your like 10% of the nerds that watch Nintendo gameplay. Most kids just play the fuckin game.

  • @kieran.96
    @kieran.96 Před rokem

    5:32 Wow I ordered my first Switch that very same day and got it the next day, cool

  • @ashwingfantasy030
    @ashwingfantasy030 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I wonder if point crow does the Harry Potter game? I wonder how much fun he would have with it 😂

  • @RedHotMessResell
    @RedHotMessResell Před rokem +2

    I can 100% say that one of the main reasons I got back into gaming these last few years was watching people play them online.

  • @sclouddrummer007
    @sclouddrummer007 Před rokem

    49:40 reminds me of the exact same situation Nintendo had with the Smash community during the SWT-Panda crisis. Funny how history repeats itself

  • @draculathevampire934
    @draculathevampire934 Před rokem +2

    It might be because they where planning a multiplayer game like this and it's probably already donde to and they don't want to look bad that they've never done multiplayer

  • @vinjass
    @vinjass Před rokem +11

    I think the main problem Nintendo has with this (besides the out of touch executives of course) is that they don't sell the games on PC, so people can't easily buy them and the play with the mods. Switch emulation easily leads to piracy because let's be honest, not everyone is gonna dump their own games into the emulator. Unlike Playstation and Xbox, people buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games, if there's anything that may lead people looking into piracy Nintendo will freak out like this. The only 2 possible solutions I see to this are: they release their games on PC or they allow mod support on the switch successor.

    • @xrdbnk
      @xrdbnk Před rokem

      PC releases of Nintendo games is something I've thought about for a long time. I honestly really don't see why Nintendo doesn't have more interest in the PC gaming market. Sure, it could *maaaybe* detract from console sales, but it would also increase the amount of sales they make on Nintendo exclusives exponentially. I mean imagine all the people who emulate their games because of an inability or lack of justification to purchase a Nintendo console *NOW* suddenly being able to legally purchase and run Nintendo games on their computers.
      And it'd be cool if they were able to adapt to the industry standard of releasing on Steam and using the Steam Workshop to its full potential and everything, but if they went with the route of creating a first-party Nintendo game launcher on PC that could also be cool- I'd just like to see them incorporate something similar to the workshop bc that's a win for us (because community-made mods make every game more exciting) just as much as it is a win for them when it comes to maintaining consumer interest.

    • @hanamusic6614
      @hanamusic6614 Před rokem +1

      @@xrdbnk lol what a joke.Basically you just want help one company like Valve to become a biggest monopoly in gaming market.This is business dude what's the point you give a free profit to other company lmao.It's funny how everyone don't see how "unbalanced" between console and PC market this days.

    • @xrdbnk
      @xrdbnk Před rokem

      @@hanamusic6614 That’s a fair point. I wasn’t thinking of it like that, but you’re totally right about the business aspect. No, I don’t want to bloat Valve’s wallets anymore than they already are, but, that being said, I appreciate what they’ve given their consumers in terms of the right to “own” software you purchase. Yea, “own” kinda typically refers more to the licensing aspect of games, but Valve (as far as my limited knowledge is aware) doesn’t have a track record of causing their consumers to be unable to even redownload games they previously purchased *cough* *cough* like Nintendo eventually does between every new console release and the inevitable shutting down of their previous consoles’ stores/servers.
      [edit: console’s to consoles’]

  • @TrixyTrixter
    @TrixyTrixter Před rokem

    People really should give "A Lawyer Explains the PointCrow Takedowns and the Legality of Mods". Because pointcrow himself is definitely not representing this situation correctly.

  • @RichardMatey
    @RichardMatey Před rokem +7

    This dudes entitlement and self importance is through the roof

  • @louvienne531
    @louvienne531 Před rokem +5

    I personally think a lot of this is happening because of the art book leak. I think it pissed Nintendo off to no end that all their hard work had just been leaked and now they’re being SUPER protective over everything and unfortunately pointcrow is the one who they’ve chosen to make an example of. All stems back to that art book!

    • @phoenix9531
      @phoenix9531 Před rokem

      No... They've been protective for years, cancelling fan games and projects.

  • @rawmorales4020
    @rawmorales4020 Před rokem

    You guys Rock!!

  • @albertoguadalupe3988
    @albertoguadalupe3988 Před rokem +9

    I think, every nintendo creator should get together and NOT play Tears of the kingdom.
    For at least a week or two.
    So nintendo sees the hit in sales. And the spike one to two weeks later because thats when creators started showing it to their audiences.

    • @magnesg1459
      @magnesg1459 Před rokem +9

      Lol good luck

    • @xanderscott807
      @xanderscott807 Před rokem +3

      Nah. That's a dumb proposition.

    • @RichardMatey
      @RichardMatey Před rokem +2

      Insanely dumb stance, if you think youtubers are more important than the actual game creators and the product they put out, you lost the logic my dude

  • @RedHotMessResell
    @RedHotMessResell Před rokem +2

    The Sims community thrives on modded content… idk why Nintendo can’t just let people mod it and have fun. I get not wanting people to pirate it but modding is different

    • @Hadeks_Marow
      @Hadeks_Marow Před rokem +1

      They want their stuff to be seen as "the best it can be". When someone makes their products better, it makes the value of the thing nintendo made look lesser by contrast. Look at this HD remake of M64 I did with overhauled graphics. Nintendo: here's an emulated port. Sixty bux pls. I modded Smash Melee to have amazing netcode. Nintendo, here's OUR netcode. 🧀
      They don't want their version to be the inferior one so rather than just improve their own quality, they just ban the competition and monopolize the whole thing. This is why copyright, even in concept, is stupid. >.>

  • @shawzy3741
    @shawzy3741 Před rokem

    Such a good video hi from Adelaide

  • @luizenriqueloza1942
    @luizenriqueloza1942 Před rokem

    We should have the guys invite conrad from the outbound ghost to shed some light on his situation as well! 🙏🏻🙏🏻 he needs all the help he can get

  • @justynh1321
    @justynh1321 Před rokem

    Ah, back to the scrapy style I love

  • @djdavis1420
    @djdavis1420 Před rokem +3

    I'm done-tendo with Nintendo. There are so many other great games. I'm done buying, playing, or streaming their games.

  • @patrickshaw411
    @patrickshaw411 Před rokem

    If there is something I've learned about trying to talk it out with large companies, they will punish you a second time without hesitation.

  • @n0ctiz456
    @n0ctiz456 Před rokem

    Nintendo is legit shutting down free advertisement for their games

  • @BrittannieDuncan95
    @BrittannieDuncan95 Před rokem

    Haiii bob!wood!pointcrow!&crew!!🤗

  • @kawaiichamoyada
    @kawaiichamoyada Před rokem

    big bwain my dudes,,,, you need to be CURIOUS

  • @jacobcoon1170
    @jacobcoon1170 Před rokem +2

    Nintendo Ninjas are at it again 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @flipthepancakes6361
    @flipthepancakes6361 Před rokem

    I also love how there are numerous mod videos for Mario Odyssey and those have not been touched by Nintendo. I agree, if you take some down then they need to take them all down, otherwise this is not fair.

    • @randomyoutubecommenterr
      @randomyoutubecommenterr Před rokem

      He paid 10k to make a mod and released it publicly. It's not remotely the same as just making videos of mods.

  • @theredtreeman777
    @theredtreeman777 Před rokem +2

    I would bet good money Nintendo is doing this because there is going to be multiplayer in Tears of the Kingdom, because other players could play as the companions as seen in the final pre-launch trailer, and this mod pisses them off.

    • @theredtreeman777
      @theredtreeman777 Před rokem

      @@sionnachrealta5534 Just a thought, I didn't know, I've actually not been paying attention to a lot of the development.

  • @JakeDaSpud
    @JakeDaSpud Před rokem

    the videos are just called "| Podcast #n" now, y'all forgot Nontendo for the past two!

  • @luniasta
    @luniasta Před rokem +3

    Wood's unboxing of the Zelda Switch made my partner place a pre-order for it - because seeing the real thing was more convincing than marketing renders, which are not as reliable. Just to help you see how much sales you do for them.

  • @Madfrito99
    @Madfrito99 Před rokem +2

    im so confused. if nintendo tos literally states no modding and then you mod and then they take your video down y r u surprised? am i missing something?

    • @asajc6210
      @asajc6210 Před rokem +2

      because nintendo has a pro-modding tos clause that nullifies their anti-modding tos

    • @louiepikmin3184
      @louiepikmin3184 Před rokem +1

      His mod is perfectly legal though. He's not in the wrong in any way with this

    • @balidr
      @balidr Před rokem

      @@asajc6210 they just didnt specify what can and cant be done in case of mods (or the product that you can mod)
      what means its not nullified...just a grey line, since they always go against moders, I would say yeah...you can mod the game..but cant make money out of it by creating Content out of the IP what they created and you transformed

  • @Pisceanripple
    @Pisceanripple Před rokem +2

    First pod from you all that I watched all the way through. Go pointcrow!

  • @solomonwexley6896
    @solomonwexley6896 Před rokem +2

    There are three parties. There are creators of the game, there is Nintendo, and then there is Nintendo's lawyers. Even though the creators of the game probably care a lot about this game and want it to be played for a very long time, Nintendo wants you to buy the new game. Furthermore they hired lawyers that are willing to do more than necessary to achieve the desired result that Nintendo the company wants, not the creators of the game nor the fans.