5.7 Gold Dot vs My EDC Ammo!...Will it Change My Mind?
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2023
- Testing some 5.7x28 Speer and 9mm Underwood Gold Dot self-defense ammo. Which one performs best? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Canik Mete MC9 and Palmetto State Armory 5.7 Rock!
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Awesome match up, great idea to pit your EDC against the man bun pistol cartridge 👍👍👍. I know it’s outside the recipe for the video, but on this one I would have loved to see how well the shorty 4.7’ Rock conceals on you.
"Man bun pistol cartridge" 🤣🤣🤣
@@ToolsandTargets sure, it’s the side arm cartridge of choice for the well styled DMR 6.5 Creedmoor carrier
🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're killin me! @@nikos6220
@@ToolsandTargets Dude, I dare you to do a Benelli M4 video sometime in the near-future
actually, terrible match up.
Comparing a weakened 5.7 x 28 to a +p+ is about as unbalanced as you can get...1700 fps is like comparing apples to -oranges- sunflower seeds.
They've slowed it way down. Why they did that? Is up for debate. There are "theories" and it has to do with the ACTUAL capability of the round. This Speer round expands out of a rifle (see video I have on channel landing page). Prior to 2022 the Gold Dot was around 1850 fps and expanded like it should out of a pistol. But even that is not "+P+"...to compare to that, one would have to get a round from Elite Ammunition and now you are talking "great match up".
Whoever it is that is forcing FN/Fiocchi to slow down the 5.7 x 28 - is the one wearing the man bun.
Put a 40 gr up around 1950 fps and then let's see what happens? (I have tests into gel what happens).
I own a SW MP 5.7 and it is part of my carry rotation. The bullets are powerful enough to end a threat plus, I got plenty in the mag 😀
No doubt they would take care of the task if needed.😎👊
I would carry the 9 over the 57 as well but you have to admit the 57 round is pretty cool
It's nothing to toss in the trash for sure.😎👍
@ToolsandTargets you are a funny man!! For sure!!
All Rounds Matter 🔫
No practice in an emergency 5.7 ,less recoil or blast .Average man or women how them times do they fire a gun . Ammunition cost more but does not matter since they never fire it .For a pistol that be kept in draw what would you recommend
How is it cool?
The 5.7 is a good winter round in areas where potential assailants could be wearing thicker jackets like Carhartt.
They making Kevlar carhartts? What are you talking about?
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That 5.7 didn’t do bad at all! I’m a 9mm guy myself, but I was very surprised at how well that 5.7 did.
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That wound channel is telling. You would not be wrong choosing it. Especially since the recoil is so low. You could easily double or triple tap on it.
EXACTLY!!
The rock 5.7 is 24 rounds :) light recoil and from the test the terminal ballistics look very close. I carry 9mm and 5.7 love them both… PSA also has good prices for 5.7 ammo
As someone who has daily carried a FN 5.7 for over a decade. I want to add that +p+ is the best the 9mm can do, max powder. The speer gold dot 5.7 is actually underloaded for its cartridge's capability. You can pick up custom 5.7 rounds doing 2.7k fps and they hit pretty hard. Almost like seeing a .45 hit in similar gel tests. So dont discount the 5.7 round. It is being fairly tame thanks to fn underloading their blue tips as the first large commercial product. I actually prefer the FN ss195LF rounds as a good all around 5.7 product. They pen, punch, and tumble making them ideal at 2k fps.
Many of these defense rounds are underloaded to penetrate at a certain distance in gel tests. Probably for legality reasons. But either way I love 9mm and 45. 10mm is great to.
Wow! I've gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised. I may have to buy a 5.7 after all. Thanks dude!
I carry a 9mm gold dot plus p, my wife carries this exact 5.7 load and set up. Don’t have an issue with either round
I absolutely love 5.7x28 and my guns chambered in it are laser beams
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@@ToolsandTargets This round is extremely effective in terminal ballistics. It is very similar to .223 whereas it relies on speed to create damage. One hit in the t-box and lights out instantly. Very fast follow shots due to almost zero recoil and great capacity. It makes a great vehicle/backpack pistol.
@@ToolsandTargets This would be a great choice to have if you were in the malls food court and a active shooter emerged. I would feel very confident putting accurate shots on target from a long distance.
Since watching your tests, I am very impressed with the Underwood ammo. Great job testing as usual !!!
Nobody is under-gunned with either of these rounds. Good comparison.
Big fan of 5.7X28MM in carbine style guns. Also the CANIK MC9 too. Two outstanding ammo rounds, good looking results by both. A1 performance there. Great test and commentary, really glad you did that side by side test. Good call. Nice, have a great week and be safe! ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️⭐️
Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊
The problem with the 5.7 is it takes the barrel lenght to get the speed required for it to be affective. You have several duty sized pistols available for it, but no real conceal carry sized. I also carry a Canik MC9 as my edc, but own a couple of 5.7's also. I really like the 5.7 in my Ruger LC carbine, in that lenght of barrel I think the 5.7 shines, plus it's a fun gun to shoot!
Agree !!
Man, This is definitely one of my favorite channels! Thanks for everything you do!
Appreciate you!😎👊
I second that
Gotta love the Underwood loaded Gold Dots!! They always flat out perform. I think the 5.7 is a good round but I’ll stick with my 9 in a short barrel for defense. Awesome test just the same. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you sir.😎👊
Both did very good, the 57 seemed a little slower than normal, but it is a 40grn. The Underwood hands down is the clear winner here. I own both, but my Ruger 57 isn't for everyday carry unless OWB due to it's too dang long, but with the right ammo, it's a serious penetrator, and prices have started to come down. Very cool test comparing the two different tools and ammo!
Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets a guy I know at work had told me at how good the Ruger-57 is, as he used to own one
You are right. It's slow. They slowed it down. I have a video demonstrating this and the difference in gel is very apparent, especially out of the pistol.
I’d carry either one. TBH the 5.7 with it’s less recoil would allow you a couple more follow up shots triple tap that sucker!!! 😎 I keep a Ruger LC 5.7 in the house for home defense, 20 rounds of that gold dot I got my home covered I believe.
No advantage to switching. Also, never commented but your jelly test titles are always a laugh. Definitely a trademark and a highlight to your videos. 😄👍👊😎🇺🇸
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
No advantage is an exaggeration. There’s give and take with every caliber. There’s definitely a few advantages
I loved carrying my FN 5.7, even with 30 rounds it weighed nothing. But I switched to a FK in 7.5; now I have the bullet weight AND the velocity. Much better.
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I recently shot 5.7 for the first time and it's so quick shooting. It's like shooting a 22lr. That alone makes me consider it. Imagine shooting 10 of those gold dots at a target before you let off 3 of that +p+ 9mm
I can dump 20 rounds out of this MC9 as fast as I can pull the trigger. There's no improving on that split time unless my finger gets faster. czcams.com/users/shortseH-ouGsi7g4
@ToolsandTargets WTH you just 20 round mag dumped a baby 9mm hitting the little circle inside the silhouette every time. I can't see a reason for you to think about carrying that 5.7 unless you just wanna try something different 😅
@@ToolsandTargetsGrandpa Jerry accepts your challenge
5.7 to me is my favorite round. Thank you for doing these test.
Definitely wanna do some more tests with it.😎👍
I would consider 5.7x28 if I was loaded up with some black dragon T6B or something else that makes 3A body armor look like paper. Without that added capability, you’re kinda just carrying a full size gun for less lethality per projectile. Although, you to get a lot of them in the mag and lower recoil. I’d say the main barrier for me is price.
Need to check out Super Vel 115+p SCHP they perform perfectly from short barrels. If i have to step down to 9mm its all i will use in short barrel
I tested that a while back after someone sent some to me. Not bad stuff but not even close to this Underwood.
Awesome test and i see why you have the underwood as carry rounds, The 5.7 did good also. Good job my friend, thank you .
Thanks, tools! I really like it when you compare different calibers to each other makes for a good reference, I carry a 40 so I wouldn’t switch to either one of those calibers myself
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That's a ton of penetration from the 9mm. I did not expect it to go 20 inches.
It means business.😎👊
I’m carrying the 5.7. I have 24 rounds of very minimal recoil.
It'll do the trick.😎👊
I think the whole point of 5.7 was to be, specifically for a sub machine guns, basically equivalent to 9mm ballistics but with soft armor penetration and more capacity. GREAT fit for a P90, but for a pistol or a rifle, they’re a compromise (as are all things I guess). The FN 57 pistol makes sense just because it pairs with your P90. Cool guns/round, but it gets a reputation it doesn’t deserve (and isn’t seeking) sometimes.
Totally agree 😎👊
It actually still doesnt make sense considering the pistol cant take the same mags as the P90. The 5.7 makes sense in a sub machine gun for the listed reasons but not so much for a pistol.
Paul Harrell has said before that for civilians 5.7 would be good for a bank guard or armored car guard. Two jobs where its likely that a PLANNED robbery will occur with multiple criminals and they wear armor. These 5.7 pistols can carry 30 rounds per mag to handle many targets and do well against soft amor.
Who is Paul harrrell and don’t you have your own opinion?
@@John_Redcorn_ Enter Keltec with their goofy p50 pistol
I've become a fan of the Fed 9mm Punch. The performance in gel look as good as that +p+ without the extra snap in recoil
I had a 5.7 and I remember it being extremely loud. Also expensive ammo. I am sticking to my 9mm also. Thank you for all of your videos
🤔 The 5.7 did better than I thought it would. 😄
A 5.7 vs 22mag would be an interesting test. 💥
czcams.com/video/hAJR_DDgcaY/video.html 😎👊
I'll watch that right now! 👍
I'd roll 57 just because of it having an actual primer
Well, the 5.7 wins... 🤷♂️
It's centerfire vs rimfire, more giddy-up. Rock mags are faster and way more forgiving to load than pmr30 mags.
That being said, there will always be a soft spot in my heart for 22mag. (That might be my wallet trying to influence my heart, tho... 😂)
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25c a round is a lot more training than a buck a pop. 30 pills in a mag is also fun. I used to look down on rimfire for self defense but getting a sw mp22wmr has been changing my opinion. I currently still carry a snubby in 9 but having 6x the rounds with something i actually shoot surprisingly well has had me looking for holster options
Nice test! 👊👍
Both did very well. Impressive stuff
Appreciate the video sir really love your content you should test some of the aac ammo
Appreciate that. czcams.com/video/8U0_2Bv49ZE/video.html 😎👍
Absolutely love my PSA dagger extreme carry and the lowers I've built out from them, too. Can't hate an American company that sacrifices their own profit margins to arm lower-income households and supports the 2nd Amendment. May have to get myself a PSA rock as my intro to 5.7x28.
This Rock is a great gun.😎👊
PSA is also pumping out some great priced 5.7 ammo
Agreed. Thank you sir. Great visual.
Thank you, my friend!😎👊
Thanks Tools 😊 I like the Underwood as well. Be safe brother 🙏
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I definitely agree the 5.7 out of and smg, sure, but not out of a pistol. I'll stick with my 9 mm also. Great video, as always, brother.
He’s getting comfortable. Now he is using roach clips for a pointer
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Late af but when testing penetration you have to remember 5.7 is designed to spin out once it hits a soft Target to maximize damage. Gel testing is not showing the real penatrive advantage of the round. Maybe ice or entry type of body amor 🔥🔥
Love the 5.7 round
Never had an interest in the 5.7, carry a 9 daily with HST’s. The 5.7 makes more sense to me in a 10.5 inch SBR type rifle. Have a box of 147 Gold Dots plus p plus Underwood, but with the extra snap in a small 9 stick with standard pressure. Thanks for the test Tools!
Great review brotha! Have you ever tested or tried out Underwoods 9mm 147gr +p or +p+ JHP's?
I still miss that Underwood loaded stuff with the Gold Dot projectiles. You used to be able to get the Gold Dot projectiles cause I had a few boxes of the 124 grainers I got from Midway years ago, but I have not seen them available anywhere for some time. The thing that was nice about Underwood was they loaded them to some proper speeds, that's why they were such good performers. I sure would like to find more of them along with some HST projectiles other than pulled ones. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
I know what you mean. I still have a handful of 9mm HST bullets but don't think I have any Gold Dots left.😣
I watch as many of your videos as I can find. 9mm Gold Dot, HST, Underwood always perform. So I'll go with that. The original 5-7 pistol was the FN with a 20 rnd mag I believe. That may have been it's selling point.
Appreciate that and yeah, It's hard to go wrong with the proven winners.
Good test. I would have go with the 9mm. Over the 5.7 . Thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
You can make all the comparisons you want. What makes all the difference is are you mentally prepared to shoot the bad guy? Will you have good shot placement? When under stress, I’ve seen the best range marksmen miss man sized silhouettes 7 yards in front of them. Prime example…in NYC, 5 police officers shot over 60 rounds and only hit the gun wielding perp with 3 rounds. When your heart races, vision narrows, breathing increases, palms get sweaty, and mouth goes dry…it’s a whole different ballgame
I used to carry the 147 +p+ Gold Dot from UW but they stopped loading it so I carry 147 HST now.
I still have a few boxes of that 147 too. Such a shame they don't load Gold Dots anymore.
@@ToolsandTargetsthey probably can’t get their hands on it anymore
@@ToolsandTargets is that because Remington when out of business
From what I've heard, they just can't get the bullets from Speer anymore.@@MR.Gunworks
👍👍definitely the 9 over the 5.7. Big difference in foot lbs. Thanks Tools.
R&R Weapon systems makes a phenomenal Hollow point for 5.7 and going correct velocity for the caliber. On average break 2000 fps and other companies pushing the hollow point to 2200-2400 and it absolutely smacks. These gold dots are like 40 s/w in a 10mm package in my eyes.
Agreed. All of the off-the-shelf common 5.7 ammo sucks when compared to real deal stuff.
Now i want Underwood to load 5.7 . Elite and others has show that a projectile of 40 gr loaded properly in the 5.7 should be around 2000 fps out of a handgun.
I like your choice of carry-ammo , I too carry the same round but in a Glock-48 . Anyhow , I agree that the "9" is the better choice for S/D . More weight , greater diameter , and definitely more power . The nice thing about the "5.7" is the ammo capacity and it's plenty powerful if that's the gun you've got as an EDC . But , Bigger is Better and those Gold dots have a good record of performance . As always , great job , Love the video !
Thank you sir.😎👊
You said the Underwood 9 is no longer available what brand carries that projectile in 124 +p+? I just switched to carrying a PSA Dagger compact and I would like to get some of those. Great video as always thanks brother!
The problem is, nobody can get Gold Dot bullets to load anymore. I assume Speer is holding onto them. Their item 113 is another 124 +P+ but it uses a Nosler bullet. I actually tested them beside these not real long ago. They expand great and have near the same velocity/energy, but not quite as much penetration. Some people will probably like that better. Here's that vid czcams.com/video/I7PtRHfjEbY/video.html
I am seeing a More dramatic wound channel from the 5.7. I love the 5.7 because it is more controllable with follow-up shots, however, is less concealable than your average compact 9 mm. The 5.7 is the most efficient round on the market gram per gram which means more fire power in one magazine.
It was destroyed in virtually every way by this 9mm round.
Both performed well! 9 mm for me HST 124 +p. Underwood has those berry bullets now I think. Great test 👍🏻
Thank you sir.😎👊
Yea, 51 cal expansion and 20 inches penetration is pretty good. Thats close to how a Critical Duty performs. The Gold Dots they used to load in 124 +p+ got crazy expansion and relatively shallow penetration.
One of the best channels on CZcams. I vote HST +P 9mm 124
Appreciate that!😎👊
Let’s see what we got here 🧐
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The 5.7 is a great fast round but when you watch the force that 9mm Underwood Gold Dot hits the gel with there's no doubt which to choose for protection. That 5.7mm Gold Dot will be great on coyotes etc. Good comparison!!👍
Thank you sir.😎👊
@@ToolsandTargetsI wonder if the government isnt involved in Underwood not using Gold Dot projectiles. Maybe going to other sources?😱🥴
I wish 5.7 ammo would come down in price. As you get older quick followups would be much easier with it considering next to no recoil, particularly in the S&W M&P with its rotating barrel.
I'm with you on the 9mm 124g good test 👌 👍 thanks
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Ima seriously consider the Rock 5.7 compact, 4.4 inch, 20 rounds when it comes out.
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Good job from both good video Tools supreme test enjoy the videos.
Thank you sir. Have a great week!😎👊
The carry benefit of the 57 would be the increased capacity. But for the size of the tool, I could carry a fullsize Canik 9mm with similar capacity. And solid 9mm defensive ammo would cost the same as 57 FMJ.
In the gel, though, the 57 rocked it pretty well for what it is. I would not like to be hit by it. I think it might fit in someones collection better if they had the 57 rifle, as well, to share the ammo across platforms.
Yeah, it's definitely not a pocket carry.😆
The 5.7 did surprisingly well, but the two rounds are in different leagues as far as size and mass go. And size and mass count if they're used defensively against something with bones.
Absolutely.😎👍
It will get the job done. The PSA Rock 5.7 can hold 23rds and 30rds with an extension.
Let’s start taking the high road 😁 - lawfully carrying any gun is better than not carrying at all. So if a 4.7’ 5.7x28 floats your boat and you can actually conceal it, all power to you.
But in this package the 5.7 loses all its upsides it was designed for. This GoldDot won’t even penetrate shitty 3a, it’s not fast enough to cause any special rifle round effects and even out of a 4.7’ barrel it has the energy of a .380. So Tools has it right. I’d go for a different 9x19 to cater for the 0.01% chance of having to deal with a 3a wearing ASshole
Amen and hallelujah!
Nice choice in carry ammo . I wonder if that’s a tougher lead alloy in the underwood gold dots? I’d have expected slightly bigger expansion. Awesome penetration 👍
I can't remember if I've tested these in bare gel, but I imagine the cloth keeps expansion down a bit.
I dont know if they're gold dots. The box just says bonded. I think they are Berrys bullets.
Another good ammo test
I've carried the Underwood 124 +p+ with a Unicore bullet for around 6 or 7 years. I get 1310 to 1320 pretty consistently from a G19 gen 3. I also have the Underwood 124 gr +p+ with what I think is Nosler JHP. It runs the same velocity but has the typical cup and core expansion. Not bad just not the Unicore / Gold Dot. Other than that its Federal 124 +p HST or Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +p+. I also do something lots don't but have never had an issue in all my years with the weapons used. Stagger my loading. Every third a Hornady 135gr +p Critical Duty as of recent. Same point of impact at 25 yards from my sidearm. This isn't everyday. Certain places I go, things I personally do. The Critical Duty doesn't expanded to wide measurement but it does penetrate very well and has a great trait of traveling straight after impact. Glass, metal, reasonably dense bone. So as a tool it has it's place in my toolbox.
Without extensive testing I don't recommend staggering.
I have fired a lot of different 5.7 ammo the spear gold dot to my thought is the best round out there. It is all I have loaded in my S&W.
Good job Tools GOD BLESS
Thank you sir.😎👊
The 5.7, as you said, really was meant to be an SMG round. It shines with a slightly longer barrel, volume automatic fire, and penetrator rounds that aren't legal in the US for civilians.
Buffman range on yt is the king of 5.7 testing (no offense you're like my favorite ammo tester overall 😜) the speer gold dot 5.7 is anemic compared to even the factory fn green tip ammo. Solid copper jhp they perform a lot better than the gold dots, idk what speer did to that cartridge in 5.7 because they are good in any other caliber usually. I feel like expansion isn't the goal of 5.7, but it's designed to perform more like a rifle round with tumbling and fragmenting. Elite ammunition and the black dragon fang 5.7 loads are some of the best... But dang are they expensive and hard to get. Good test as always thanks for bringing this comparison!
Well said. The Underwood cartridge is a formidable EDC round. Not so with the Speer Gold Dot. I'm guessing that most of us who sometimes carry the 5.7 don't carry the Speer Gold Dot.
🇦🇺😎👍Mann I love💕 these gun videos, I can’t get enough😉👍….great velocities…they’d both get the job done🏁…..great results , stick with the 9🏁
Seriously there is nothing to choose between the permanent wound cavities or penetration. Energy is as energy does, and that extra energy from the 9mm doesn't appear to have a practical effect in the gel. An argument can be made for the 5.7 in terms of lower recoil and greater magazine capacity too, but given the expense of the ammo and proportionately greater training cost? I'll definitely be sticking with the 9mm personally.
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What are your thoughts on the G9 external hollow points? I see they have it in 10mm as well. I’ve even saw multiple people say they like it better than underwood extreme defenders/penetrators
Probably do a fine job like the other fluted rounds. Don't have to worry about cloth.
I own the PSA 5.7. For me its just to big to conceal carry. Its fun to tote around the property and you only need one mag with the carry capacity. If you practice with it, you can put alot of bullets down range and on target quickly.
Great gun for sure.😎👊
I agree and 9 is cheaper which equals more practice
Really enjoyed this video. The Rock 5.7 is really fun to shoot, but too big for me to carry, regardless of the power considerations vs. 9mm. My carry rounds are the Federal 9mm+P 124 gr HST's.
Thank you sir.😎👊
I wish in the 5.7x28 they carried underwood solid copper non expanding with the funky tip you use on the 9mm. That would be interesting seen thier wound channels and penitration. Not saying energy isn't important.
Could u try out some black tip sabres 308 and 150g 300aac?
I've watched a number of ballistic tests of 5.7 ammo and the Gold Dot is the first that has expanded. Most just tumble.
It’s interesting. I think the 5.7 is not designed to expand… gold dot has some proprietary dibs on the expanding 5.7.
everyone forgets the 5.7 has almost no recoil which increases shot placement.
The 57 done better than I figured it would but the 9 mm done great good video Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
The 124 grain gold dot loaded gold dots in +p are what I carry along with HST and maybe 115 grain XTP's loaded by AAC.. Sig V crowns work great especially the 115's but they have setback issues and get setback the first time you chamber them pretty much
I noticed that when I ran V Crowns too.
I'm with 9mil. All day. The 57 is not to shabby. Great video Tools 👍🇺🇸
Thank you sir.😎👊
I would carry both and trust them with my life, but I am getting more rounds off in a shorter time with 5.7.
2021-2023 there were multiple police shootings where police died in groups because they were shooting an armored individual who had soft plates and are not near their duty car mid shooting to grab the rifle. 5.7 was designed for law enforcement, it was barely used as the round was/is too pricy and the guns are limited. I can only think of 5 different guns that are chambered in 5.7. and they arent cheap.
20+1 normal capacity (30 rd extended) and roughly 30% less recoil and with mass shooters more commonly wearing soft body armor. a spicy 5.7 round out of 5inch pistol is going through LVL2A soft, no problem, 3A soft with certain rounds. a 9mm is stopping no doubt, the round is not fast enough to penetrate effectively through armor. It may break a rib, but its not puncturing an organ or spine with those soft plates.
Most 1v1 shootings/murders happen out of street life and grudges.
Most innocent victims are ones involved in mass shootings. Be ready, be prepared, and be comfortable with what you got.
A good test. The 9mm did a great job.
Good test! Gold Dot does the trick!
I have a PS-90 I don’t own any 57 pistols. But I’d only run the fn green tip because of its velocity. In my opinion, the 57 round was designed and only causes damage when it consistently tumbles. To tumble you need that 2000fps or 2200 and up. Firing a hollow point in 57 thats going 1500 fps is no different than a .22 magnum.
Bingo🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯
Yep
After all the videos I've watched of yours i still havent bought any gold dots or hst's...i do have underwood in several configurations and barnes , vcrown , punch & fmjs...one of these days I'll be there ! Lol
I just like these cause they're fast.😆
I carry the Underwood +p 124 when I carry 9mm. Most of the time, I carry my G22 with Underwood 135 gr JHP (1400 fps, 588 ft lbs)
I had a .22 TCM, I'd carry that before the 5.7. My EDC at the moment is Speer 115 gr. standard pressure. Great round.
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That's the exact same 9mm ammo that I use. It's a dang shame underwood stopped loading the gold dot. I treat what I have left like pure gold! I just can't get on board with the Nosler loadings
I know what you mean. I was just looking at the video where I tested these beside the 124 +P+ Nosler. If they got the penetration of these, they would be nearly just as good. I'll probably retest them soon and maybe beside the 9BPLE Hi Shoks again to see which one comes out on top there.
I carry the underwood 124 Gold Dot +p+ as well and I have Underwood's 124 +p+ noslers if I run out
I was actually just rewatching the video where I compared the two. Little less penetration from the Noslers is about the only difference. Think I might test them again against something similar.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets have you ever thought about testing the 5.7 polymer tipped ammo?
You should use lehigh defense 105 grain 9mm maximum expansion vs 57 grain 5.7x28mm.
Both good looking guns.
Good video! For the price, 9mm for the win.
The five seven for a snipers secondary and shot it looks like at 100 yards. And physical weight with three full mags isn’t bad on weight.
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If the Underwood Gold Dots are discontinued, I would save them for carry-only use.
Indeed, I rarely shoot my 124gr and 147gr HSTs, maybe 10 rounds a year. I found that Federal American Eagles are close enough to the HST at defensive ranges for training.
The Gold Dot 5.7, the 380 xtreme defender out of the lcp max and the 380 liberty civil defense out of the lcp max all have approximately the same muzzle energy. Wonder which is the most effective stopper, that is, most effectively change behavior? I'm guessing the liberty.
I'd personally go 5.7 given those choices.
Now That Is Some Sho-Nuff 9mm, Thanks Brian. 👍🇺🇸
Yessir.😎👊
Enjoyed It. 🇺🇸@@ToolsandTargets