đ„5.7x28 vs .22 Magnum AMMO From Rifles!đ„
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 9. 09. 2022
- Comparing some 5.7x28 and .22wmr ammo using the FN PS90 and Keltec CMR30. FN 195LF, Federal Speer TNT, and Armscor ammo Which one did the best?
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Good comparison, Tools. Have had a soft spot in my heart for the .22 Magnum ever since I rolled a running groundhog at 60 yards some 50 years ago... great little round...
Thank you sir.
The 30 grain Federal Speer TNT is a varmint round. It did exactly what it's supposed to do.
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@@ToolsandTargets 22 mag is my favorite caliber and that Speer TNT is my favorite round. The fireball out of my PMR-30 and Walther WMP shooting them is a whole lot of fun đ
@@jeloughman427 They went off like a grenade from this CMR!
Tnt went inuyasia... ..
â@jeloughman427 how does your parents 30 do loading these?
I know now that I don't want a 5.7 for the price of the guns and the ammo. I'll stick with my 22 magnums as well. Great video as usual, keep them coming đ.
Thank you sir.
I agree with the sentiment that â⊠I donât want a 5.7 for the priceâŠâ Unfortunately, my revelation has been delivered after acquiring two of them.
That being said: Tools, do you foresee a difference in results if the âTool of choiceâ was a CMMG Banshee chambered in such a caliber - or just more of the same for more money???
@@salextodd2 I imagine you're lookin at the same results.
I have the ruger 57,ruger lc,keltec p50,psa rock57x2(optics & non optics). Cmmg 300mk 57 upper. Something about that 5.7x28 round,been in love with it since i discovered it a few years back. I know that ammo is pricey atm but the more manufacturers that make more firearms that use this round,the more the price should drop. I think this round is a good home defense round due to the penetration not being so deep & the speed of it is more than enough to do the damage needed to stop an intruder or small game. I like the 22 magnum as well & own a few firearms that use em,but what i like about the 5.7 round is the ability to carry a massive ammount vs 9mm or 556/223. As with any ammo,all can get the job done if the placement is right. I will be taking all my 5.7,s to the range here soon to sight them in(after i green dot bore sight em) then i will be doing some small game hunting with my ruger precision 22mag this year. But my 5.7's rock 57 has become my EDC. This pistol is just B.A. & the low recoil def helped my accuracy a lot. Stay safe,great video & yall be safe out there.
i'm sticking with my 22 mag .
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Why?
@@zanegardner6488 Because i already own a rifle ( old Marlin ) and a new 8 shot Taurus revolver in 22 mag. See no reason to throw money at new toys just for kicks.
@@disgustedvet9528 id rather have a 5.7 over a 22 mag if i can pick my caliber
Same here it's cheaper 5.7 is just to expensive for me to care about getting it or a firearm chambered in it
That is wild. I definitely did not expect the Armscor to do so well up against the 5.7 in penetration. The 5.7 is a beast but i gotta give it up to the ole 22wmr. Great test sir
Definitely. Appreciate ya!
That was a really cool comparison. The TNT definitely lived up to it's name. That was explosive for sure.
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@@ToolsandTargets Now you know just why it is called TNT! It is a fantastic varmint round and within reaonable ranges, glances and damage to property on the farm is very unlikely as they come apart on impact.
Very interesting vid! I love and own both calibers, but the .22 WMR is my personal favorite. You work hard for this channel and its appreciated. Keep em goin.....
Thank you sir.đđ
Brother, you do for sure go way above and beyond for your viewers, great job and really good video! Thanks T
Appreciate the support, my friend!
That was a really cool video, thanks a bunch for doing this one đ Really appreciate it.
Thank you sir.
I like the performance of Armscor ammo. Thanks for the Jelly test and have a great weekend.
Agreed. thank you sir.đđ
Yo Tools great test and commentary bud. Thanks for adding the Armscore in that was great. I was wondering about those 5.7X28mm and now I know. The Speer is itâs name đ„TNTđ„explode on impact pretty much thanks for that test. Overall the .22WMR all day long cost and variety of ammo is huge, plus the penetration and expansion. Really enjoyed this one bro! âïžâïžâïžâïžâïž5 Star! Stay well, be safe.
Thank you sir.đđ
I agree. The wildcard round (Armscor) was a great idea
Thanks for this test! I was thinking about the new LC carbine in 5.7. Now I am leaning toward the Keltec CMR 30. !
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The Armscor mags are great performers. Thanks for your detailed test sir.
Absolutely.
Great test video, as always! Looks like beautiful weather to be out at the range!!
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Thank you sir.đđ
Those Speer are custom made for pistols as self defense rounds if I remember correctly designed to open up at slower velocity I think the extra speed through the carbine just tore it apart
No theyâre not. Not the tnt bullet
These are different from the Gold Dots. I noticed later that there was a squirrel on the box, so maybe they're varmint rounds meant to fragment like this.đ€·ââïž
The TNT bullet is a varmint bullet with very thin jacket designed to come apart on impact. The bullet performed exactly as designed.
@@ToolsandTargets your right I saw Speer and my brain went straight to the gold dot I stand corrected
Really enjoyed this video, Iâm glad you threw in the Armscor ammo because that TNT was pretty disappointing lol⊠Iâve always been fascinated with 22mag from rifle or handgun , thank you for another great video I always enjoy your content.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!
The Speer TNT is designed to " Explode " on Impact, so it performed as it's supposed to. Great Video
Good to know. Thank you sir.đđ
@@ToolsandTargets Love your Channel and all the Great Videos you put out. I know there's lots of work that goes into it, and We appreciate it. Thanks Tools!!!!
@@Papaw58 Appreciate that!
SUPER comparison, Tools. The Armscore looks to be the most effective of the three rounds you tested today. I'm wondering if the TNT might do better than in the carbine in the shorter bbl pistol that Keltec makes. Thank you for a real good one today!
Appreciate that!đđ
Good video Tools. Thanks for all you do brother..
Thank you sir.
I like how you added the energy #âs đđ»đ„
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From Federal's website for the Speer TNT ammo:
"When you rely on rimfire for putting down distant varmints, reach for Federal Premium SpeerÂź TNTÂź. The bullet's thin jacket results in explosive performance on impact, and its reliable priming and propellant provide extremely consistent ballistics.
Extreme accuracy
Explosive expansion on impact
Speer TNT bullet design
Reliable priming and propellant"
Seems to me like the idea is for it to expand reliably at longer ranges. If you're up for it, maybe try the TNT in gel at 100+ yards and see if it expands instead of fragmenting once it gets downrange a ways.
That said, if it will fragment reliably at shorter ranges, it may be a good choice for short range pest control where overpenetration may be a concern.
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Great video! Glad you are trying the carbines. Please do some more in pistol calibers.
The Speer TNT bullets are for rapid expansion in varmints.
Thank you sir.
Some of the videos I've seen shows them do fairly well out of handguns.
Another good test video Tools enjoy watching them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong đșđž
Thank you, brother!
Fantastic test! I just did a video on this round and this is the exact test I wanted to see.
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Thank you sir. It's an interesting round.
Excellent video. Very precise.
Thank you sir.đđ
The tnt will expand from a naa mini mag through heavy clothing. Wonât penetrate very far through anything.
Interesting
Love that 5.7x28, thank you for doing this video.
You are the best.
Jim
Appreciate you!
Good gel test. The tnt did good for shooting squirrels or rabbits. The others had good penetration for sure. Thanks for the video.
Thank you sir!đđ
Good one Tools! All tricky for me!
Thank you sir!
I really like this comparison. Fantastic job. I have been looking at that new Ruger LC carbine for my wife as she is recoil sensitive and at 4 ft 11 she needs a youth stock or adjustable. Now i believe I'll look for a similar setup in .22 magnum.
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Helpful info, thanks
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Iâm afraid my choice would be the 22 mag and an alternative is a 22 Hornet, never had any desire for a 5.7x28, a good comparison might be the 22 tcm, I believe Rock Island makes a carbine in that caliber
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I've loaded lots of Speer TNT in .222, .223, .22-250, & 6mm Rem & can verify they explode. Devastating on groundhogs & coyotes. Very interesting test.
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That was a very unique test Tools..loved it..đđșđžđđșđž
Thank you sir.
And by the way I'd pick the 22mag vs 5.7
Would be cool to see the american eagle fmjs or FN 198s tested next to these. Maybe the gold dots if they can be found and the price isn't obnoxious. I did expect a little more from the 5.7, but really fast lightweight rounds do tend to decelerate faster than heavier rounds so I really shouldn't be surprised. Excellent test.
Thank you sir. I almost used the American Eagle instead of the 195LF's. I tested the 198 against the 195 here đđ czcams.com/video/TbSkgahZEOQ/video.html
@@ToolsandTargets thanks for the link. I didnt know you already tested these
I believe the Speer round is a small game load and honestly I donât know anything about the 5.7 round except if itâs supposed to expand and didnât with that velocity then I donât think it will ever expand. The armscor round performed really well with good expansion and penetration plus it was a good bit heavier. Thanks Tools đđ
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the federal TNT isnt a small game round its a "varmint" round. the expansion on the armscor was pathetic given the distance the test was done at. that thing should have had much greater expansion than that.
Love the 57 ammo! I have the Ruger 57 and it shoots really nice! Just expensive to shoot
That's for sure!
Armscore for the win , as the old saying goes > the proof is in the pudding
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Awesome video like always thank you very much
I have a Winchester 9422M in .22Mag and I like it .
Thank you sir. Nice.đđ
I would love to see how the FN 5.7 X 28 40-GRAIN V-MAX (SS107) would do in this test vs. CCI Maxi-Mag 40 gr HP. I don't care much for the featherweight (27 or 30 grain) rounds in either 5.7x28 or the .22WMR.
I almost used the VMax 5.7 against a VMax .22 Mag, but I figured they would both just fragment to pieces.
I was not very impressed with any of them to be honest, especially the 5.7 don't get me wrong that PS90 is a very cool tool I just can't bring myself to get one considering the price of the tool and ammo. I don't really see it as practical for anything other than range fun. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
Agreed. I just had to have it.đđđ
.22 WMR remains a fine choice for general mucking around the family property and woods scrounging. Varminting with lighter projectiles or small game hunting with less explosive rounds. I keep hoping 5.7 will turn into a modern replacement for .22 Hornet, but its just not seeming all that versatile with the ammo available.
Yeah, they're too busy cashing in on mediocre ammo for it.
Now that was a really interesting test Tools. I sure didn't expect those results. From all the hype about the 5.7 I sure expected much better results from that round. I will say most of the test I've seen of the 5.7 have all been shorter barreled handguns. The TNT sure did "explode" on impact. Would be interesting to see if it's any good against a real life target, most likely only for some small game. I wonder what it would have done vs. some kind of barrier, be it clothing or otherwise. Now the other 22 mag seems to have performed very good. With cost of both equipment and ammo the 22 mag is my choice over that 5.7.
Be safe and ever vigilant.
Appreciate ya, brother!đđ
The 5.7 has like 3 times the impact power of the 22mag plus you will get longer distances with greater power then the 22. Just be ready to pay for the 5.7 premium.
Well, no, it doesnât. Tools calculated the energy. On top of that, the bullet action was pathetic. If it canât penetrate 12 inches of clear gel, it sure as hell wonât in 10% or in actual bodies. The round is pure hype. Even 198LF will only penetrate a few inches in gel after going thru a lvl2 panel. Sure it penetrates, but does little after doing so.
Donât forget the round is designed to tumble as well, not designed just for penetration. The wound tract of the 5.7 is devastating and is designed as a military round.
@@a1racer441you do know they are like super identical ballistically right? Speed , weight , size.. 5.7 is just center fire, and has better ballistic coefficients. 22 mag is 2200fps with a 30 grain bullet, the 5.7 he was using clocked around 2300 with a 27 grain bullet⊠lol where do you get 3 times the power? They are given out the about the same energy with these velocities lol. I swear people think 5.7 is a fucking 5.56 lol
Penny for penny the .22 wmr is smarter. I guess the 5.7 is kind of a designer caliber. As always good test. đđđșđž
Have to agree.đđ
Im inclined to agree especially when the new Extreme Long Range ELR ammo is available here in the US.
That was a great idea adding the Armscor, or this test would be a bust. Also, I know a way to save you some money on that 5.7 ammo and that tool...
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The 22WMR TNTs are great on prairie poodles and European starlings. Very low chance of ricochets or pass-throughs, and they drop the vermin decisively. Not great on critters much larger than jackrabbits, though. I like the fact that the 5.7 is more reliable than the rimfire and can be reloaded, but not enough to get one, at least not in a carbine/rifle.
Yeah, I only got it because I wanted the PS90 specifically.
GREAT TEST, AWESOME TO WATCH.....
Appreciate that, my friend!đđ
Those Speer TNTs might work better out of a pistol and a tad lower velocity. You should try those in the PMR30.
The 5.7 did exactly what it was designed to do. Tumble and yaw while dumping the energy into the target creating a very nasty wound but Iâd like to see a bit more penetration out of those.
A very good video comparison and proof that the 22 mag isnât such a bad choice for self defense itâs only draw back is the rimfire which isnât always as reliable as a center fire.
5.7 had adequate penetration for is use and a better wound cavity, but for more money. I've got both...so I'll keep using both!
I'm not sure what would be "even" between them both. Perhaps 40gr Federal ball in 5.7x28 from a Ruger57 vs. Win 45gr fmj from a 16-22 inch bbl? Love both rounds just in different platforms. Never had a use for .22mag in a handgun. Great vid none the less.
Thank you sir.
Good test, Tools! The TNT is a varmint round so perhaps not the best comparison? I've never been a big fan of the 5.7 x 28 while I'm a huge fan of the .22 Mag! I think that with the proper ammo the Mag will more or less hang in there with the 5.7. The 5.7 has pretty much priced itself out my range while the .22 mag hasn't gone up quite as much as most other rounds. I'll just stick with the 22 mag until I suddenly get rich or a 5.7 falls out the sky and lands in my lap!
Cheers,
crkckr
Thank you sir. The big squirrel on the box should have clued me in.đđđ
The TNT(âą) bullets works like the VARMINT GRENADE(âą) bullets, they are pelt saving varmint bullets!! I would use that Armscor ammo for small game hunting!!
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I think the 5.7 we get isn't quite as cool as the red box that's ss109 but 22 mag you can afford
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Great test! I was surprised by how well the Armscor performed. Not sure if you've done it already, but have you tested various styles of .22wmr against eachother in the gel? I picked up some .22wmr during Ammogeddon for my Heritage Rough Rider, Speer Gold Dot Personal Protection Short Barrel 40gr GDHP-SB. Curious how this compares against other 'non-short barrel' .22wmr. What the hell, if you have one, how about in the 16" bbl Rough Rider? That's the gun I have chambered for .22wmr so far...I bought what I could for it when I saw some, and it happened to be the short barrel defense ammo. Love your work, man.
Thank you sir. I have done quite a few different .22 mag tests from the different barrel length Rough Riders.đđ
@@ToolsandTargets I just watched your .22LR / .22WMR with the 6" Heritage Rough Rider...will check out the others, too! Thanks!
I knew those 5.7 sleek looking bullets were a gimmick....love the 22 mag, always have....a rough rider is a great plinking revolver, and with the 22 mag cylinder gives the thump a raccoon/opposum he needs sometimes.
Love running mags through my Rough Riders.
Speer's TNT line is a varmint/predator rapid expanding round so it did exactly as it was designed.
You would think the squirrel on the box would have clued me in.đđđ
I love 22 magnums. I use it quite a bit. I am interested in those 5.7s though and hope they start making them in pocket pistols. To me itâs kinda like a 22 magnum center fire. I love my 22 Hornet more than the 5.7, but There doesnât seem to be much interest in making small handguns utilizing that superior cartridge.
Yeah, maybe too much pressure to make it small enough and cost effective.
The hornet is what Iâm looking for I have the mag now Iâm in love with the thing
Great video! Wonder what the CCI Maxi Mag would have done? It's my go to in 22 mag.
I would have brought something like that instead if I had realized these TNT were varmint rounds.đđđ
The only advantage the 5.7 has is being a center fire. The 22WMR TNT would be an awesome groundhog round. The 40 grainer definitely impressed. Thanks for sharing Tools!
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All the "TNT" labeled rimfire rounds I've shot in 17hmr and 22mag has done exactly what you experienced.
Yeah, apparently I didn't realize they're varmint rounds. The squirrel on the package should have been a clue.đđđ
Great testing
Thank you sir.
I have the Ruger 57 bought it just for fun but with the 5.7 x 28 ammo prices I don't get to have much fun. I am thinking about selling the 57 and picking up one of the Rock Island Armory M1911 A1 XT 22 magnums. after seeing the Armscor performance I may do more than just think about selling my 57. at the very least I will be able to afford to shoot the XT 22 magnum more.
Yeah, prices are ridiculous for the ammo.
Definitive,and decisive,
A great deal of info .
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Thank you sir.
Great testing đ
Thank you sir.
5.7Ă28 does it perform against body armor the same way as people say? Like the demo đ
I haven't personally tested it. All I have is hard armor.
The only reason I have 5.7x28 is because I love my ps90 sbr. Itâs a very niche caliber. Shooting it is always fun so thatâs the main reason for mine.
Same for me 100%.đđ
I'm picking a 380 with Ranger T ammo. đ TNT is designed to blow up quick that's why hunters use it on fur bearing animals. It doesn't blow a hole thru both sides of a hide. Armscor did pretty good. Very good comparison. Thanks. đ đ đșđž
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The Armscor looks pretty good to me! Maintained its weight, good expansion, ample speed even though slowest, good penetration, cheap(er)! lol! Did good! Have a good one!
Agreed.
Center fire is more reliable than rimfire. Do a test on the 40grain 5.7x28 and decide after those results. Awesome video thanks!
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Yes, the Speer TNT is designed to do that. It is a bonded bullet, made exactly like a gold dot, but the jacket is much thinner.
With your demonstration, it's obvious that factory 5.7x28mm doesn't really make sense vs factory 22WMR, just about regardless of the barrel length. My PMR 30 never has issues anymore. As reliable as a center fire.
Very true.
That was a very much unexpected result in the jelly. Iâm wondering if that SPEER round wasnât an anomaly - seeing the differences in velocities. Did you try running another round of that ammo to see if the same results o occurred?
Still not sure I would reach for my PS-90 for anything more than target practice/plinking (especially given how much FN is charging for the 5.7 rounds)!
Thanks for the eye-opening, jaw-dropping, most educational jelly test, Tools!!
Thank you sir. Apparently, they are varmint rounds designed to explode like that. Didn't realize that until later.đđđ
@@ToolsandTargets Thatâs good to know. Iâd hate to be the one that would have to pick the metal out of any game taken down by a SPEER .22MAG that is meant to be eaten. đ
Thanks again, Brother-from-another-Mother!!
Once the new ELR rounds are available in the US I would like to see this comparison again. Unless of course someone can get you some of that new ammo! I think it'll be close!
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I think you will find the most consistent 22 mag is the Speer Gold Dot, with Hornady Critical Defense in 2nd place.
I've tried both of those. Great stuff.đđ
There supposed to fragment. Iâm pretty sure the tnt is billed as a varmint round. Another great video!!
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I just read on the federal website that that tnt round has a very thin jacket for explosive performance.
Makes sense.đđ
Im sticking with good old 9mm. Cheaper, its been perfecred for a century, and the tool selection is amazing. 22 mag was going to be my first pistol a couple years ago, but...rimfire is just (by design) less reliable. It could be 1 out of 200 rounds, but ive got 4000 through my canik and not a single issue. I like them odds.
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Thank you sir.
Cleeter sprint boat killer!!
My chrono was giving me issues whenever a cloud would come by. I turned on the LED bars and it was fine. Might be the shadow that is giving you the errors
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Space gun day !! LOL !! Thanks for the video
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All Speer TNT projectiles are extremely thin jackets designed for rapid expansion. They have warnings not to load to extreme velocities like 22-250s or 243s
Makes sense.đđ
The TNT rounds are designed as a varmint round. So, it worked as designed. There used to be a CCI TNT 22 mag round. Don't know if it is the same round as the federal. I would stick with the 22 mag since I can buy a lot of ammo for the difference in price between the PS90 and a 22 mag rifle.
Good to know.đđ
I'm impressed with the budget priced armscor.
Looks beautiful out there right now.
Not long till my favorite hat will be back on your head again though. đ
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5.7 is impossible to find in my part of Chinada. I'd like to see more mfgs using the calibre. That Armscor looks real nice! Gonna have to keep my eye open for it locally
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It would be interesting to see the 5.7x28mm Speer Gold Dot performance.
I need to see if you can get that stuff these days. A year or so ago, it was impossible to find in stock.
About the only bullets Iâve used and loaded over the years Tools that are the closest to the grain of the bullet is Speer bullets. Iâm a Nosler fan but there can be as much as 1-2 grains either lighter or heavier than they say on the box of the bullet being used. Most Speer bullets are within a 1/10tn give or take being the same stated weight. Iâm like you buddy I didnât expect that bullet to come unglued like that. Be safe and GOD BLESS yâall buddy Amen đ
Thank you sir. Enjoy your Sunday!đđ
I don't have much 411 on the 5.7, judging by the velocity and non-expanding projectile, I was expecting a complete pass through, also the tip of the 5.7 looks like a hollow point, It could be that it has a better ballistic coefficient than a spire point solid, I have some CCI TNT 30gr that is claiming 2,200 fps and states that it has an explosive impact on varmints, but that is probably from a 24" barrel, also have some CCI 40gr pointed soft-point claiming 1,875, And I've not fired any of them, thank you for this interesting video, Stay Safe My Friend. đ
Thank you sir. 5.7 is a very niche round without a doubt.
I like the TNT. Great energy dump.
The Armscor looked really good. I'll pass on a new gun with new ammo (5.7) and pick up some Armscor.
Smart move.
The 22 Magnum White box equivalent for the win đ, Lol.
Thanks for another fine Jelly Time test.
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Good video I will stick with my 22mag also like the looks of the new r
uger 5.7 ammo still expensive
Ammo is definitely too expensive.
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I died when you said aight y'all, it's " bUt tHaT aInT tHe rIgHt aMmO jelly time
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It would be interesting if you really ran the test with R&R Weapon System 5.7x28 rounds, which are actual defense rounds and are getting closer to 525 foot pounds of energy out of PS90 barrel. The FN cilivan offerings of the 5.7 are really neutered down in performance in comparison to what FN offers police and the military, the R&R 5.7 ammo is a lot closer to Law enforcement and military capabilities. I also believe that Vanguard Outfitters offers a similar round called the Black Dragon Fang...again although the FN ammo is way easier to find its far from the best in what is out for 5.7 defense ammo.
Pretty sure I basically explained this exact point in the video. What you see here is what the majority of people who buy these guns can expect.
Baby bean gelly time ! If I were to get one of those would be 22wmr , armscor did well. Thanks Gellmiester T&T
Appreciate ya, sir!
its crazy how small that 5.7 bullpup is! thing looks like a childs first rifle in your hands lol
Yeah, it would really look like a toy with me holding it if it was the SMG version.đ
If you get a chance, run the Armscor ammo through your Walther WMP.
I would think the CCI with Hornady V-Max .22 magnum would be really similar to the 5.7x28 because it has 2300FPS.
Yeah, I figured it would just fragment to pieces also but maybe I'll test the V Max from both of them.
the cci maxi-mags TNT do the same thing, just like they are supposed to, its all i use in my pmr-30, epic stopping power, and would not want to get hit by it.
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Cool ammo test
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