Ruger LC Carbine Review
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2022
- Paul tests out the new Ruger LC Carbine in 5.7x28mm.
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The purpose of the comparison of 5.7X28 and 5.56 NATO was to illustrate that it is NOT a fair comparison and to dispel the myth that it is superior to the 5.56.
One thing I've noticed. I believe Paul may be wearing double hearing protection.
The 5.7 pistols & rifles are very loud, especially at an indoor range.
Is there any way to compare 5.7 to .22 Hornet? Seems fair. I'd like to know why they both exist at the same time.
@@vinceparke5740 I can't do it because none of the crew has a .22 hornet, but that would be an interesting comparison.
I don't have either. That's why I watch you. Lol. .22 hornet always seemed interesting but I never see a lot of interest and info.@@PaulHarrell
I don't doubt for a minute that a salesman was trying to convince you that the 5.7 was superior to the 5.56, but everything I've seen says it was intended as a replacement for the 9x19 pistols and MP-5. Yet no one on youtube seems to be making that comparison. Edit: specifically in carbines, there are plenty of 9 vs 5.7 pistol comparisons.
The only channel that has 27+ minute videos that seem 5 minutes long. Absolutely outstanding.
Bro that’s so accurate lmao 🤣
I'm a zoomer, so it feels like 27 minutes, but it's 27 informative, entertaining minutes, so in my book that's just as good.
Paul is always out standing in his field. That's what makes him the best.
Thats so true, im ten minutes in and it feels like only two
but most of these 27 mins are Shatner-esque pauses
The more I watch Paul’s videos the more I appreciate his very fact based demonstration style. Great stuff!
If only the rest of society were so clear and consice.
@@ronfox5519 CZcams and societal taste filters out content with informations and rewards flashy repetitive babble. I lost around 800 views only because I did not uploaded a catchy thumbnail on my laters video according to statistics. Content I spend hours on (and money)? Who cares.
Emphasis on based.
UNUSUALLY GOOD informative, clear-thinking and no-nonsense review. No cutesy attempts to be funny, no off-putting "personality" show, no irritating music and everything he says is relevant and to the point. He manages to get a lot of essential information in an easy to watch package. You leave knowing very nearly all you need to know about this firearm short of firing it yourself. My congratulations. I wish all gun reviews were this good.
I've seen a TON of videos on this gun and Paul is the first to actually answer the questions I had about it
Is it technically a bulpup?
@@user-pc8tb7hg1lHandlesRDumb more like an Uzi
@@user-pc8tb7hg1lHandlesRDumb Its a long barreled pistol with a stock.
@@user-pc8tb7hg1lHandlesRDumb If it was a bullpup the magazine and ejection port would be behind the pistol grip.
He wants facts not cool factor. Anything that put daylight through a skull is cool enough.
I love it when I hear Paul say “Let’s go to the chronograph” and “Let’s go crunch the numbers”. The only thing that tops it is the Meat Target segment. As always another straightforward and fair review.
Don't forget the Shatner-esque......pauses!
or "like a ballistic tip".
@@JoseyWaless I have never actually caught a Shatner-esque pause. Shatner is annoying as hell too and they are unmistakable, especially in ST:TOS
Hear^
@@JoseyWaless 'Tis better Mr. Harrell pauses, then to ramble on.
As usual, excellent review.
I would point out as a point of debate, the 5.7 carbine’s competition isn’t just 5.56 AR pistols w/ braces. It’s other competition is 9mm PCC’s, either AR pattern 9mm braced pistols & carbines, or other popular PCC’s like the Ruger PCC or Beretta CX4.
How does a 5.7 carbine stack up against a 9mm PCC? That needs to be the part 2 to this.
I’m sure you get longer range out of the 5.7 as opposed to 9mm mainly being used for cqb. I wouldn’t do a 16” barrel on a 9mm AR. I prefer 8-10 inches in barrel length for pistol caliber.
@@natestain7103 You do. I have the privilege of having fired most of the 5.7 and 9mm subgun and pistol platforms including full auto, and the 5.7 to 9mm comparison is like a Tesla Plaid to a muscle car. People don't like the tech, but the Tesla will win every kind of race and make the muscle car look silly doing it.
More specifically, with a FiveSeven and the original ammo (SS190 and SS192) shooting to 100m is not much of an ask. It is very flat and accurate and low recoil. Also, pistol magazines out to 30 and 45 round capacity are available and are not the massive addons extended .45 or 9mm magazines are.
In terms of what matters with the round, terminal ballistics, this round was designed SPECIFICALLY to shoot humans wearing soft body armor. The 9mm was not and it is very clear when doing either scientific (check YT for many videos on gel targets, make sure they are using either ss192 ammo or the P90 with newer ammo) or range play comparisons with cans of shaving cream or fruit.
As far a real world application, there is really just the unfortunate example of the Ft Hood massacre, most of the killing was done with a FiveSeven as it has the hydrostatic shock/knockdown effect of a rifle round and large magazine capacity.
I want to see a carbine like that in 7.5 fk
Yes, let’s crunch those numbers.
@@markdahlia9543 you'd think FK Brno would be all over this! That cartridge with an 8-12" barrel, maybe an HK style roller delayed action? WINNER.
Thanks Paul! Not interested in adding a 5.7 to my arsenal, but your videos such as this help me stay in touch with new developments in the world of firearms.
It looks like something that might be nice to try out once availability brings the price down, but definitely a niche chambering.
i bought the pistol... i already have a pc 9.... hum, well if i get a deal on the lc okay....
Cost per round takes all 5.7 out of my playbook. I like the rifle, I like the power vs recoil for a centerfire cartridge, but I also enjoy spending money on other wants and needs. Just because it's not for me doesn't mean I hate it. The caliber, performance and platform(s) can fit some applications very well. It's a tool and choosing the right tool for the situation makes life more enjoyable.
Very well said indeed sir!
I agree. Nice tool if a bit pricey.
I really felt the burn when Paul disparaged my SG-1 dream gun though. :(
you are better off going with a 9mm. Easily available much cheaper and much more options in terms of grain and bullet type.
Good points. Hopefully the 5.7 catches on and then the free market will do it's thing on the price.
I’ve been aware of 5.7 since it arrived on the scene and I am extremely interested in it. Price and availability makes it something that I will never delve into. I keep it simple. The five most common and readily available calibers are all I use.
I have the same hope as everybody else seems to have of late; the recent explosion in the popularity of this round and all the new firearms chambered in it can only be a good thing for the future of 5.7 ammo prices. If I am not mistaken there is at least 1 manufacturer gearing up to begin producing 5.7 .
If all goes well, the prices will probably still be high, but they ought to begin to come down at least a bit.
There is no good reason for this round to cost as much as it does besides the lack of manufacturers producing it.
As a metric user, I really do appreciate your taking the time to explain the relationship of grains to ounces to pounds. It's something I could easily look up, but not something I know off the top of my head, and the explanation makes your point hit home.
Just remember a 9mm 115gr projectile is juuuust over a quarter ounce as a good reference point.
@@JJ_SDWR Thanks, that helps.
@Sundog A There are 7000 grains in a pound. That makes 1 grain = 0.065 gram
I've grown up with metric as well. I've heard it explained that the main difference between the metric system and imperial units is that imperial isn't a system, while the metric system is a system.
As a non-metric user, I never bothered converting grains to anything.
For those who like the 5.7 for certain situations, Speer has come out with Gold Dot in 5.7 the last few months. There are some interesting videos up now about the bonded 5.7. Thank you Paul for your videos. Well done. Many of us understand what you are doing here with this comparison.
Paul is the only person on Earth that could both make me want something in 5.7 and also make me feel like 5.7 is pointless, simultaneously.
Well played.
I bet pop tarts had an uptick in sales when Paul got sponsored 😁
I have to go find some.
Is it a real sponsor or just a troll?
It's real. He did a video on having to pick up a sponsor for financial reasons. I applaud him for not doing raid shadow legends
Good with my morning coffee. ☕
I knew I loved pop tarts for a reason...
I like everything about the 5.7 but the high cost of ammo plus the extreme difficulty of reloading coated/bottle necked 5.7 cases is a deal killer for me.
^^This^^
What about non-coated brass? As I understand it, the reason for the coating is the crazy magazine the P90 uses and some other rifles as well. The pistol and carbine Don't require that coating. Unless I'm full of shit here.
@@keithgraham9547 Some like the benefits of flat trajectory, low recoil and high magazine capacity.
@@keithgraham9547 I was just curious, however as I understand it the 27 grain steel core round will penatrate lvl 3a armor. I think I read that was the original intention when NATO was looking into it. I never heard why NATO dropped it.
@@MycroftOnTheMove Basically Germany threw a hissy fit that the H&K MP7 wasn’t the winner of their NATO trials despite under performing in every category compared to the p90 & 5.7x28 and so they vetoed the whole program.
I love the visual of Paul checking out at his local supermarket with 2 packs of ribs, oranges, and pork steak and the cashier goes “can’t wait for the next video”😂
I'm just glad that the Ruger LC Carbine didn't begin to feel distraught toward the end of the video
First time in a while Paul's done a gun review that doesn't end with it getting the Old Yeller treatment
That was a pretty glowing review by Paul's standard.
Dang, that was pretty fast. I'm glad to see Paul review this. I have the Ruger 57 pistol and this carbine is going to be a great companion for it. Thank you Paul for shedding all that light on the rifle. I'm looking forward to owning one myself 👍
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@@Sableagle its not a spambot, its an actual person with an actual account that annoyingly posts links to videos on their own channel
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Thanks, Paul. This review was really helpful. The PSA 5.7 pistol's mags fit the LC carbine and in addition to being less expensive, add 3 rounds in capacity. And yes, there will be 30 round mags available, just like FN did for their 5.7. I have one of these and really like it.
I still can't get over Paul Harrell doing the Captain Morgan pose for Pop Tarts
Anecdote: A friend of mine was deer hunting with some 30 cal rifle (can't remember if it was a 30-06 or 30-30) and a Five-seveN as his backup. He was sitting a blind set up on the edge of a clearing, maybe 30 yards across. I'm not sure if he fell asleep or was just that lost in thought, or maybe the deer was a ninja, but anyway he became aware of a young buck, standing in the center of the clearing and staring at his position. My friend knew that if he moved to get his rifle into position, the deer would likely see him and run off. However, he knew that he could bring up his Five-seveN without scaring the buck off. So, that's just what he did. He took the shot. Deer dropped like he was hit in the head or spine. So, in this particular case, it is possible to successfully hunt a deer with gun firing 5.7x28mm from 10-30 yards. Oh, and it was a perfectly legal shot too as, where I live, they say you can legally shoot a deer with any center fire cartridge. So, yeah. Anyway, awesome video as always.
Here in Oklahoma it has to be at least 55gr. I know they're some manufacturers that make 55gr and heavier 5.7 ammo. But I was actually thinking about that particular scenario. But also the price of 5.7 ammo sucks.
@@thebigokie6.4_392 5.7 ammo price always sucked :/
@@thebigokie6.4_392 in WA state the projectile has to be .30 caliber or larger. So anything less than 300blk or 30-30 is a sad no go
@@jaredwright1655 I though it was only .24 for big game? Did something change recently?
@@Cowmanik Nope, that is still the law as far as the RCW is concerned. Can not use any center fire cartridge smaller than .24 caliber.
In my youth, I hunted deer with a Mini-14 in .223 with 18 inch barrel. Not all states allow .22 for deer, check your local regulations. I used 55 grain soft point hand loads. Had to stop hunting with that combination due to how much meat was lost to what I will call “gelification.” Put simply, draw a 12 inch circle around the bullet entrance hole, cut that meat out, and throw it away. Good for putting meat in the freezer, not so much. Good for stopping the intended target from stealing my oxygen, yes Sir! Keep up the great content, and “Keep up the Fire.”
The state I live in the only restriction on deer is rimfire is not allowed must be a centerfire cartridge
this is something I didn't think about for hunting, still goanna try 5.7 with a hunt but very helpful info.
This channel is one of my absolute favorites! Just so good at what you do!!! Thanks!
Paul you are a legend and this is yet another great review. Thank you for your attention to detail and things we really actually need to know.
OK, that was a very comprehensive (and highly professional) presentation of both the carbine and the ammo. Thanks, Paul !
I can see that replacing the .22 LR for a rural property owner that needs a firearm for small to medium critters, animal husbandry, etc. Small, 20 rounds, no recoil, enough power for raccoons, fox, coyotes, rats and so on. Also, a fun round for small game. Great video.
Lot more expensive per round than .22lr
That's what l was thinking , fox ,coon, armadillos and the occasional coyote. The 22 lr just doesn't drop them reliably unless shot in the head.
@@TheSaintsAdvantage -- Also a lot more expensive than .22WMR.
Probably a lot louder than .22LR, so that would be a consideration. Might be a neighbor that doesn't want to hear someone taking out a racoon at 3AM with 5.7 whereas a .22 might not be so bad. But, in many instances, I do agree.
@@gregb6469 It's also a LOT more powerful than a .22WMR. But as Paul says, for a given application, is it enough to matter for the tradeoff? I'd say probably not.
Thank you for high quality and down to earth video Paul. No one else is doing videos on firearms like you. Have yourself a lot of fun with that thing.
Always great videos here. I love how these videos show much more than just the numbers, actually how the numbers are just a tiny portion of the true ability of a firearm.
21:00 I get you. Still, it's a blowback gun, no camming or tilting bolt to seize up. IMO, if it's dirty enough to not chamber, there's probably crud built up in the chamber itself.
If this was meant to be an MP7 competitor, just add a finger scallop to manually push the bolt home.
A forward assist is Essential on any Battle rifle.
I absolutely love your videos...very informative with just enough dry sarcastic humor. Keep up the good work.
I truly enjoy & appreciate your logical approach in doing comparative testing like this. I can digest & comprehend your findings with greater ease than many other testing channels, which is why I place more credence in your testimony. Keep up the good work & I'll keep watching.
As usual Paul laying out facts as usual. The 5.7 round is a great round for what it was intended to do, replace 9mm in certain fields, and it does that and even just plain 9mm, decently. It's a tool, and like any tool while you can use it for things sometimes outside of it's intended use, it will always be meant for one specific thing. I like the 5.7's ability to put out effective damage, and not over penetrate for it's relative size, but the 556/223 round has proven itself over decades.
The low recoil and weight seems really handy
The competition for the 5.7 is the 9mm and/or .45ACP, NOT the .223.
Also, there is the meta that the 5.7 is a pistol or carbine in terms of rate of fire and controllability. With a FiveSeven I can outshoot any 9mm I have ever shot from 0-100m. The P90 full auto is a strong competitor to the HK UMP45, MP4, and Berreta 9mm carbines. Actually, I don't see how the P90 is in any way inferior to any of those subguns.
ok... i hit a water bottle with FMJ 5.56, it looked like an ice pick hit it, it wobbled off the post it was on
i hit a similar bottle with 7.62X39 FMJ, the bottle was blasted 3 feet forward from the hole ripped in the back
hit another bottle with 5.45X39 FMJ, the bottle was blown 6 feet forward from the hole
5.56 63 grain soft point acted like the 7.62X39
5.7 would be good for a j frame revolver imo. probably get 7-8 rounds in the cylinder and similar energy to .38 spl. Would put the j frame closer to the micro 9s in terms of capacity for ccw.
I like the FN 5.7 but I dislike the location of the safety. If FN would redo it and put the thing where it belongs. Definitely make a huge difference for me
I love all FN guns but that has the one dislike for me
For anybody who didn't break out their calculator when the weight differences came up:
approx 39 rounds of .223 = 1 lb.
approx 67 rounds of 5.7 = 1 lb.
It's definitely a big difference.
I agree. The Ruger 57 pistol and carbine make a lot of sense in that regard. They're also a great combo
Loved the review. It addressed a lot of things I was interested in hearing about. I see some very real usefulness here.
Thanks man. I was waiting for you to review this firearm. Most information I've seen so far.
Great video and sharing all the pros and cons.
Thanks for this video! This is a very interesting cartridge and now the carbine makes a good companion for the 5" pistol. Fortunately I already have a 92x RDO compact and a CX4 for my carry and home defense duo!
PAUL is simply the best go to for in depth and informative on so many aspects of a gun, caliber and performance. Thank you Paul!
Great review sir. I always appreciate your perspective and humor. Thank you!
Loved the one I handled. Nice to see you chrono the rounds.
Haven't watched all the review yet, but I really liked the gun on handling it.
If it wasn't another cartridge, and an expensive one, I would have bought the first one I saw, at 789 plus tax out the door.
I like it much better than any AR platform. I love the folding stock.
This is the only review that actually answers questions so far
Great presentation, as usual. To that last point, I don't know how it is in most states, but Washington has a size limit on big game cartridges. They have to be .24 caliber or larger, except for cougar. Any hunters might want to verify with local regulations before taking 5.7 into the field.
Thank you sir. Always interesting.
For me, that was an excellent review. Thoughtfully posed questions and answers with demonstrations. Thank you.
Great review, as always. Though whether it’s just the time of year or that particular day, the surroundings were absolutely stunning and so peaceful to a degree, that it actually enhanced the video. Now I’m left wanting land like that rather than the Ruger LC.
I'd say with the results Paul had, it seems to be a good weapon for home defence.
No over penetration of the rounds and doesn't look like an AR 15 so the neighbors don't freak.
It's a "black rifle" so it will get called an AR by ignorant neighbors.
Over pen? Everything 'over penns' and it tends to be a hugely over blown concern.
@@xxxlonewolf49 I've seen testing that the 5.7 round out of the 10" barrel on a P90 will disintegrate very rapidly and doesn't go through even 2 sheets of drywall 4" apart, so 5.7 is the ideal home defense round. Also over penetration is a very real problem, not too long ago a teenager in a dressing room was killed by getting shot through the wall by a police officer shooting at some guy with a knife.
@@bdkj3e Right on the money. When it comes to overpen in the average American home, velocity and light bullet weights are your friends. 55gr .223 out of a 20" barrel basically always tumbles and explodes into shrapnel after hitting something. Something like subsonic .300 BLK, down quite a lot in KE, mind you, will sail right through drywall almost totally intact.
Can wood furniture make it less Karen scary?
Clip on plasti wood covers?
Wood print sock?
No.
We all understand the limitations, but much to like about it. For brevity's sake I am just listing 2 of my "pros" 1) it is like a .22 Hornet 2) do not have to clean a gas impingement system.
I can fully assure you that it is not the 20-round mag that will keep me from buying this gun; it is the price of the gun, and the price of the ammo, that will keep me from ever owning one.
True
same here
I bought an FN on a really steep sale (meaning just under a grand) when the 'vid hit. I realized quickly that it was on sale because the ammo was over a dollar a round. RIP
As a center fired cartridge, it's reloadable, though I've yet to hear about anyone doing so, (I haven't looked on CZcams yet) mainly because I'll probably not own one for the first reason you mentioned. I, at present, load for every caliber I shoot. Even that is becoming cost prohibitive. It's difficult enough to find components for what I already have, so adding to that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I'm reluctant to support the larceny of current prices despite the plethora of excuses(reasons) of the manufacturers. A two to three hundred percent increase in price, sometimes 4-500% increase is just greed. Being held captive is never fun, yet here we are, unless of course you are well sponsored.
In 2018 I was buying 5.7 FN ammo for about $18 to $21 a box of 50
American Eagle from about $16 to $18 a box.
That's not a bad price at all and I'm sure it'll get back to a competitive price with all the new firearms that are coming out in that caliber.
It'll just take a little time.
Great test, I love my Ruger57 pistol with a red dot installed and I find it very accurate and easy to shoot consistently.
Excellent video as always.
Thanks for another great presentation.
Sudden unexplained, but intense, desire for Poptarts.
Using to right tool for the job is spot on from Paul. Love the 5 56 and also love the 5 7 x 28. Both have their uses. One plus for the Ruger is you won't lose your hearing and get muzzle blinded if fired indoors in home defense scenario
Kevin, as an apartment dweller, I am also less concerned with over penetration with the 5.7 as I would be with the 5.56.
I truly appreciate the review approach to this video. It was fantastic in satisfying my consumer expectations.
Great video Paul! Thank you
Looks like Paul is ready to model for Sears in his pop tart picture!
LL Bean wants him, Duluth trading company needs him to keep buying fleece.
I just got mine and I thoroughly enjoy it. one of my other favorite features is that my mags match my ruger 57 sidearm and thats a plus...but I am still a huge fan of my 5.56. they both have their place and advantages for sure. I guess one of the things I don't have to deal with is that I stocked way up on the 5.7 ammo before things went stupid high.great review sir
Thanks, Paul. Your presentations are always meaningful.
Great video thank you for the extra work.
I really like the pistol grip magwell style form factor on this. The only other PCCs I know of that do that are the Beretta CX4, the Keltec Sub2000, and the Hi-point carbine. You're getting a shorter overall length that gives the PCC something to differentiate it over a rifle caliber carbine without going to a bullpup and all of the associated tradeoffs. The folding stock adds that much more to its ability to be something like a backpack gun. Compare that to the Ruger PC9 -- it's basically a 10/22 in 9mm. The PC9 is about 5-6 inches longer than the LCC or CX4. That gives the PC9 the same OAL as a carbine in a rifle cartridge, which makes it more difficult to justify 9mm in that form factor.
For a farm gun, the LC with a 8 or 10" barrel and a 556 suppressor would be pretty cool. Something big and accurate enough for coyotes out to 200yds, but not so big you can't use it on a rabbit at 50yds. Big enough to protect the family and livestock, but small enough to get regular practice in and double as a varmint gun. I almost bought a CX4 SBR two years ago :-)
Growing up I had a 22 hornet on the farm. Ballistically not that far off.
An interesting comparison would be the Ruger LC Carbine in 5.7 against a .22 WMR rifle. Both launch 40 grain projectiles. If factory charts can be believed, the .22 WMR is about 200 fps slower than the 5.7
It should be more than that because they aren't afraid to load rimfire rounds hot like they are with anything else. For whatever reason.
.22WMR is the king of the eastern woodlands
How's the reliability of rimfire working out for you?
@@edgarburlyman738 to me, it's the opposite. Many brands avoid reloading rimfire to it's true potential because they don't want to see the casing rupturing from overpressure, as the bottom has to be thin enough to still allow it to go off with the striker hitting it.
@@Geekofarm good rimfire shouldn't have many issues
Thank you, Mr. Harrell! Always a pleasure to watch your demonstrations.
Great work Paul!
I’ll just stick to a 22 mag inflation is killing me.
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. The 5.7 doesn't seem to have much over the 22 mag
But Brandon is taking care of inflation. He said so.
You might like the CMR-30 by keltec then
@@Cannibal_Actual It's not that easy to reload 5.7.
@@Cannibal_Actual you can buy rimfire reloading kit online for $70. Your name makes this more painful than the tone of my text.
I appreciate this comparison. I'm considering this rifle primarily because I like having a long gun match my EDC carry caliber. My Henry X 357 matches my Chiappa Rhino 4" 357. The Ruger LC 5.7 would match my Ruger 57 5".
Same reason I went withma 9mm carbine to pair with my pistols. Common ammo, even if the magazines don't interchange.
@@haroldhenderson2824 That's the more important comparison. Despite what those idiotic FN salesmen said, the 5.7 is not intended to compete with 5.56 in any way. The appropriate question is what is better in pistols and PCCs, 5.7 or 9mm? I'm not making an argument either way, just asking the right question.
So buy (or better yet build) a 9mm Glock for EDC and a Ruger PCC which will take Glock mags up to 33 rounds.
@@morrismonet3554 That would be a good combination.
Good video as always Paul, thank you.
Solid content as ALWAYS !
Your time is much appreciated.
One review I would be interested to see would be Paul covering the Sig Sauer XM5 (Spear) in 6.8x51 (.277 Sig fury). Particularly, I would be interested to see how he thinks it will fit into a soldier's loadout in place of an M4 carbine.
Most reviews I have seen seem to be (in my opinion) unreasonably positive. I trust Paul's objectivity.
Have you seen forgotten weapons/gun Jesus review? I also would like to see Paul 's review
Sig Sauer has definitely been greasing some palms. That thing with the extremely overpressure composite case ammunition is bound to have all kinds of ridiculous drawbacks.
@@george2113
Ya, I had forgotten (lol) about his review of it.
@@ExF1Guy It appears to me that the competition part of the riffle review, the practice round is pretty flat shooting. Ond day I aspire to shoot as well as gun Jesus, Karl and Russell P are so good , I don't even aspire.
I've already had to repair or do remedial action on a few M17 pistols, and we're only a few thousand rounds in on them (mostly dead triggers due to sand, and failure to go into battery. One melted and need a new grip module) The M5 that gets tested might not be the M5 that ends up in my arms room.
Paul said the LC Carbine weighs 6 lbs? Wow, my AR with a KP15 lower weighs 5 lbs. I thought the LC Carbine was something like 4-4.5lb.I had no idea it was so heavy.
M16A1: 6.5 lbs
M16A2: 7.9 lbs
It's a matter of perspective.
Great information as always Mr. Harrell, thank you sir.
Thank you Paul, this is a very informative video. Of course, so are all of your videos. Thank you sir.
It would be interesting to know how the LC Carbine and 5.7 pistol perform during your jackrabbit hunts. I don't expect footage from the hunts (the Tube of Yous does not like that sort of footage), but I'd be curious to know if the performance of the projectiles are consistent with what we see in the meat target here.
I second this
Great video Paul and as usual hits the salient points. Seems this carbine/rifle would fit well in the home defense category, especially if over penetration is a concern. It's short, lightweight and easy to maneuver. Don't know if anyone has developed a hollow point for this round but with it's speed over a PCC it could be devastating. Looks like it has plenty of rail for a red dot and light too. Thanks for putting this on our radar in such a balanced way.
Hornady makes a plastic "ballistic tip" that acts very similar to a hollow point
Fantastic content as always, keep up the good work!
Thx for this great review Paul. I don't think the 5.7 was ever intended as a replacement for the 5.56 NATO. It was more an alternative for 9mm carbines and sidearms, and as such I think it is a great caliber, better at long range and better at penetration. The fact that it becomes more effective with a 16" barrel is just a bonus, but it can never come close to the performance of the 5.56. And it never needed to.
Light recoil, high capacity and the ability to defeat soft body armor more than make up for its lack of power. I would take a 5.7 pistol over 9mm any day of the week.
@@thatguy22441 Apart from price and availability, I agree with that.
Thanks for doing this video Paul.
As someone who owns a Ruger-57 (and loves it btw), i was actually curious just how much difference the extra barrel length of the 16in barrel would do for the 5x7 ammo. I know more barrel = more velocity, but there is a point at which the barrel length simply does not add any more, and starts to actually take away.
I was curious about this because not only do i have the Ruger-57, but i also have a CMMG AR-pistol 'upper' that is chambered in 5.7x28, that has a 8.5 inch barrel (they didn't offer a 10in version) Which, while not 16in, is still a little over 3 inches longer than the Ruger-57's barrel. I know the AR Pistol will have 'more' velocity than the Ruger, but was always curious how much more it 'might' have.. and your the first one ive seen actually put the Ruger Carbine version of it into a Chronograph.
Would it be safe to 'think' that based of your numbers on this video.. that out of an 8in barrel, it'd be around 1800-1900?
You never know without doing it, but I Think your estimate of 1800-1900 in the 8" barrel sounds right.
@@PaulHarrell yea.. dont have a choronograph to try myself :D
Go to a channel called buffman range. He has the data you are looking for with almost any permutation of firearm and ammunition in the caliber.
Thanks for another fine video Paul , answered a number of questions I had!
GreT review, thank you. You answered my questions very well. Its on my hit list for jacks and rock chucks around me😁
Interesting stuff. I find it fascinating how this super-niche cartridge designed for a very specific purpose (for truck drivers to blast armoured paratroopers) has had this big resurgence in the civilian shooter's market thirty years later. I wonder if the same will happen with the HK competitor, the 4.6x30?
The rifle looks really nice - seems to hit that sweet spot of size/weight/performance and would be great fun to shoot.
Great review as always!
In fact, after the video I ran to the store and got me two of those. Didn't have to use my credit card, I paid cash on the spot. The store owner was so happy , he didn't ask for a background check!
"If that's the case give me two" I said! And he gave two packs of blue berry pop-tarts so I went home made a cup of coffee and watched another of Paul's reviews!
Great video Paul, thank you
Thank you sir. Strait forward and simple, while full of fact. Much appreciated.
I'd say that, for civilian purposes, with the type of ammunition available on the civilian market, the 5.7 really is more of a "centerfire .22wmr". It has better range for hunting small game than say a .22lr, and it's powerful and reliable enough to be used defensively. Combine that with its reduced weight and recoil, it's a gun that, while maybe not for everyone, does have the potential to fit into a few niches.
17hmr ?
@@MisterGames 17hmr is still rimfire (hence the "r"), and therefore has the shortcomings that entails.
@@corneredfox yes it is a rimfire, but as you said of the 5.7 it has longer range for hunting and bugger all recoil. I know i would not want to be shot by one. Ammo is cheaper too. Not sure if there are anything other than bolt actions for it though. Still a good round imo. Loud AF though 😀
I could see it catching on among varmint hunters to some degree. Those that hunt at shorter ranges or just want less noise and recoil than a .223, but until availability of ammo makes the price drop I doubt it's going to take much ground from the AR or other popular varmint rifles. I doubt anyone is considering it as their next squirrel gun, though the idea of skinning and quartering a squirrel with one pull of the trigger is intriguing.
@@MisterGames .17HMR isn't a bad round, but still not something I'd rely on for a self-defense or "bug-out" weapon due to being rimfire. Sure I wouldn't want to be shot by one, but the chances of it malfunctioning and failing to fire at all are fairly high comparatively. There's also the mentioned limited selection of guns available for it, especially semi-auto options (which are exceedingly rare, and I'd question their reliability).
I think you made your case. 5.7 is over hyped. However the low recoil and ergonomics are impressive. I like how thorough your analysis is.
Outstanding review. Thanks, Paul.
Thank you Mr. Harrell the video really was very very helpful. I truly enjoyed it
and you saved me I lot of headaches and time & money. I had a choice of the p90 vs the Ruger 5.7 corbin. And another nice cz perches thanks again.
Safe to say that, generally speaking, the ammo cost is the 5.7's greatest obstacle to popularity. Hopefully, market forces will somehow drive the price down enough to encourage more folks to take advantage of the cartridge's obvious advantages. Meanwhile, Ruger has, at least, made the guns more affordable and the carbine, in particular, very attractive. Even if 5.7 doesn't catch on, the carbine would be just as attractive in .22 mag, Hornet, or even TCM.
I like the idea of the 5.7 pistol, plus this rifle together. I wouldn't mind owning both, but I just can't justify the cost of it's ammo, or it's availability... For now, there's just not enough bang for the buck with 5.7. If the 5.7 ammo pricing drops, and it becomes readily available, I'd consider adding these to my collection, just for the fun of it.
My favorite thing about Paul is that he never forgot where he came from. LBE circa 1990.
Very good, thanks Paul.
Excellent as always. It would be interesting (to me at least) how this carbine compares to one of the popular 9mm carbines. I know the 5.7x28mm cartridge is designed to be fast (for its size and weight), but it always amazes me how much muzzle velocity you can squeeze out of a 9mm through a longer barrel.
Okay, Totally Wacko Idea of the Day here: You build a 9mm carbine with a loop-de-loop barrel with about 3 loops. The loops keep the overall weapon length short while providing the barrel length to increase velocity. No, I did not fall and hit my head today....but yesterday is kinda fuzzy for some reason.
@@markh.6687 Well, you're not comPLETEly insane, Demolition Ranch has a video where he shot into the end of PVC pipe to see if it would travel inside the pipe or blow it out. Amazingly, it stayed in the pipe, and he was able to put multiple curves in it. Been a while since I watched that, but I think he was able to 180 it.
@@johns9652 Thanks, John; that's kinda neat knowing someone is as creative as I am. Or as deranged. Hmmm. :)
Thanks for the review. Seems like a decent weapon. My only issue is the price of the ammo. From what I’ve seem the 5.7 is roughly twice what 5.56 is going for and not quite as available .
You sure help me decide what is what. You sure go through a lot of effort. Thankyou
I literally just thought to myself… I gotta check to see if Paul has a new video out😵
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Report and move on.
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Cheers!
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This was one of my favorite firearm reviews. Very good work, Paul.
Lightweight ammo, lightweight rifle!
Yet, deadly up to 200 yards!
Perfect!
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Great video! Thanks for sharing.