DEBUNKING Madara vs Aizen DEATHBATTLE | BLEACH

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  • In this video I will debunk Deathbattles madara vs aizen video I hope yall enjoy!
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  • @shonenkon2456
    @shonenkon2456  Před 2 lety +311

    Merry Christmas!

  • @jaycespades8360
    @jaycespades8360 Před 2 lety +1271

    Another funny thing is that Gin true Bankai reduced Aizen to nothingness and the Hogyoku willed him back into existence. How tf would Madara beat that?

    • @LimitlessApostle
      @LimitlessApostle Před 2 lety +71

      Exactly

    • @kaikuso9711
      @kaikuso9711 Před 2 lety +474

      because nothing is stronger in death battle then the bigger fanbase

    • @GojosBackHand
      @GojosBackHand Před 2 lety +6

      @@LimitlessApostle it like you didn't even watch the naruto or bleach not paid attention to every detail the was presented

    • @LimitlessApostle
      @LimitlessApostle Před 2 lety +105

      @@GojosBackHand Excuse you?

    • @LimitlessApostle
      @LimitlessApostle Před 2 lety +190

      @@GojosBackHand We're talking about a ninja zombie against second to smartest person in bleach who was also capable of creating a dwarf star just for shits and giggles AND not forgetting the fact that he's basically immortal AND the fact that his reiatsu is just too large, For example; His reiatsu was used as a padlock for the gates of hell, His reiatsu alone could crush the espada And His reiatsu could literally floor people. Safe to say, His presence alone would have gotten rid of that shinobi army.

  • @namelesswatcher8129
    @namelesswatcher8129 Před 2 lety +1283

    If people took the time to do the research they would know that Aizen vs Madara isn’t even fair in all actuality. Aizen solos the naruto verse.

    • @darkstorm7780
      @darkstorm7780 Před 2 lety +102

      Nope. Tsunades pig ez claps Aizen.

    • @Ophion644
      @Ophion644 Před 2 lety +45

      @@darkstorm7780 Yeah since that Otsutsuki is Outerversal they could clap Aizen

    • @sorrybroo8303
      @sorrybroo8303 Před 2 lety +21

      @@Ophion644 Nope shadow clone can destroy, trick okosutasi, they ar nothing😂

    • @Ophion644
      @Ophion644 Před 2 lety +30

      @@sorrybroo8303 Damn, so that one Ostrich in filler is stronger than Momoshiki. Why are animals in this series so OP smh.

    • @sorrybroo8303
      @sorrybroo8303 Před 2 lety +13

      @@Ophion644 Even kaguya get tricked easily and isshiki also its canon btw

  • @emberdragon4248
    @emberdragon4248 Před 2 lety +503

    Aizen: literally cannot die
    Madara: dies from getting normal stabbed from behind

    • @JohnSmith-yn9ju
      @JohnSmith-yn9ju Před 2 lety +31

      Right!!😭😭😭

    • @vjproxbeenhere3977
      @vjproxbeenhere3977 Před 2 lety +35

      We can all agree Aizen wins, but Madara wasn't dead when he got holed by zetsu

    • @nice-view428
      @nice-view428 Před 2 lety +4

      that’s not what killed madara raging bleach tard your just salty aizen sucks and bleach is canceled

    • @godbodydizzi8860
      @godbodydizzi8860 Před 2 lety +19

      @@nice-view428 you mad huh😂

    • @Dilpickle2002
      @Dilpickle2002 Před 2 lety +27

      @@nice-view428 the next season comes out this year tho

  • @olo703
    @olo703 Před 2 lety +814

    Let me remind you that Mayuri literally replaced all of his organs with fake ones to fight Szayelaporro, Yhwach rematerialized his entire body the first time Ichigo killed him, and none of the above were enough to get around Kyoka Suigetsu. So it doesn't matter if you acquire new senses because that already happened in Bleach and it did nothing.

    • @Redhollow
      @Redhollow Před 2 lety +22

      We don't actually know if Mayuri would have still been under KS tho. He never fought Aizen, he was stuck in Hueco Mundo during the final battle. It was also Mayuri who designed the chair that was containing Aizen (though that does go to show that even he could not kill Aizen).

    • @olo703
      @olo703 Před 2 lety +146

      @@Redhollow If Mayuri had found a way to counter Aizen's biggest ace against Gotei 13, trust me, he would not have been sent to Hueco Mundo lol

    • @Redhollow
      @Redhollow Před 2 lety +1

      @@olo703 Maybe that's true, but that's still headcanon on your end. Maybe they assumed they could have handled him on their own (with Ichigo's help) and they left Mayuri to work on his zombification project.

    • @olo703
      @olo703 Před 2 lety +74

      @@Redhollow The fate of the Soul Society has priority over scientific miscellanea. And it's not headcanon when Byakuya exposes Mayuri's faith in Ichigo.

    • @Redhollow
      @Redhollow Před 2 lety +4

      @@olo703 that entire first sentence is your opinion, lol. The entire reason the 12th division exists in the form that it does now is for scientific progression.
      Your second sentence only further reaffirms my point. If Mayuri has faith in Ichigo (and everyone else fighting), why would he bother creating a system to neg KS? Mayuri does what he wants, that's the kind of character he is. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ignored orders and continued to do his own research until he had absolutely no choice. He kills his own squad members regularly anyways.

  • @unknown_goat302
    @unknown_goat302 Před 2 lety +358

    I love how death battle thought that the truth seeking balls were impressive cause they could erase the souls but most attacks in bleach can do that since they’re soul based attacks and it’s a really minor thing that bugged me but it shows a lack in understanding of bleach

    • @ratio8099
      @ratio8099 Před 2 lety +40

      Ikr they i think they made that video in drunk😂

    • @rashadbroadnax6258
      @rashadbroadnax6258 Před 2 lety +73

      The most nameless Zanpakuto can destroy soul so a truth seeker orb wouldn’t be shit if they actually effected souls to begin with

    • @drama8335
      @drama8335 Před 2 lety +1

      the problem is that.s not how they work they earse exitence not the soul but it would have the same out come but there is a massive diffrence in how hax it is
      Xd

    • @ratio8099
      @ratio8099 Před 2 lety +28

      @@drama8335 that's the exact same, if your soul erased you will no longer exist

    • @drama8335
      @drama8335 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ratio8099 how is being able to earse the soul the same as being able to erase everything from existence as an example if you just erase the soul the body is stil left this erases any trace of your exitence not really compareble to a soul destroying attack and destroying something is not the same as erasing it

  • @othellorucker8107
    @othellorucker8107 Před 2 lety +199

    I keep telling people. Naruto has got people brainwashed. It was cool at first but now their delusional and refuse to accept someone is stronger then their characters. You gained a sub. The detail on this is incredible

    • @Hamzethegoat
      @Hamzethegoat Před 2 lety +18

      Not only that the story got horrible during Shippuden

    • @mercutio2657
      @mercutio2657 Před 2 lety +15

      One could say the same for dragon ball fans

    • @dscholes
      @dscholes Před 2 lety +11

      Naruto fans think he can beat goku and saitama in a fight lol

    • @jjmeteor
      @jjmeteor Před 2 lety +6

      @@dscholes which Naruto fans? No Naruto fan thinks that. Goku and Saitama are monsters compared to anyone in the Narutoverse. Even Krillin would be too much for Naruto at his strongest to handle.

    • @dscholes
      @dscholes Před 2 lety +5

      @@jjmeteor they talk crap about naruto latest transformation gives him the power to insta anyone so they were going on some insane rant about naruto being the bestest there ever was 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Vini-zv3lr
    @Vini-zv3lr Před 2 lety +121

    Honestly, they're on whole different scales of power. Pre Hogyoku Aizen might've been a more interesting matchup, but when Aizen is tussling with the big boys like Almighty Yhwach and True Bankai Ichigo, they're quite literally universes appart. It's not even a knock against Madara either, Madara is a man, Aizen is a spirit turned evil butterfly demon turned transcendent god with a wish granting ball inside his chest, it's an unfair comparison to begin with.

    • @Fau499
      @Fau499 Před 2 lety +15

      It's like making The Mumen Rider fight Saitama at the level where he nearly destroyed the universe. 'Unfair" is an understatement, I think what you're looking for is ***"complete dominance assertion"***

    • @primordial994
      @primordial994 Před rokem +14

      funny thing is.. yhwach couldnt even kill aizen, no one in the verse we have seen can kill aizen which is actually insane.

    • @schizoreze
      @schizoreze Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yhwach definitely would've killed him even tho it'll take time and time he did not have. And to be able to come back after being absorbed in the final battle as he narrates the ending of bleach really makes it all the more ironic that a Shinigami of THAT level fought, got absorbed by someone FAR above him and lived to tell the tale.

    • @AvarageGamingGamer
      @AvarageGamingGamer Před 15 dny

      ​@@primordial994a even more funny thing was ywach breaking free of the illusion was the best thing he has accomplished and was very proud of
      Note said by a god that can erase 4 universes
      Also no he can kill aizen and his hogyuko inside him as stated by him can destroy many hogyuko
      Pls prove me if I'm wrong

  • @olo703
    @olo703 Před 2 lety +519

    Another thing to debunk is that they had Madara survive Kurohitsugi, which had gravity so strong that reduced a cityblock to near nothingness. A feat of 200billion G(Remember 100 G was a huge deal in Dragon Ball Z lmao), something that resembles the gravity on the surface of a neutron star. Yet Kaguya, whom is above Madara, was struggling to keep on her knees on her dimension with slightly increased gravity that even Sakura and Kakashi could survive.

    • @climatewolf3637
      @climatewolf3637 Před 2 lety +11

      Where are you getting these numbers from? Naruto was made by a man with creativity not some astrophysicist

    • @olo703
      @olo703 Před 2 lety +151

      @@climatewolf3637 The numbers pertain to Bleach, not Naruto. They come from observing what happened to the building rubble and the black monsters after Aizen performed the spell. You need an approximate of that amount of gravity to seemingly erase that amount of mass.
      It's not a problem with Naruto. The problem is Death Battles glossing over Hado 90 and ignoring its real power, and then having Madara tank it with Susanoo like it's no big deal.

    • @jaycespades8360
      @jaycespades8360 Před 2 lety +97

      @@climatewolf3637 Sasuke has a stronger Susanno than Madara had in Boruto and gets bodied by a kick. DB is a joke and after hearing Madara won I made sure not to watch it.

    • @DIEFORME173
      @DIEFORME173 Před 2 lety +17

      @@jaycespades8360 same

    • @climatewolf3637
      @climatewolf3637 Před 2 lety +2

      LETS FKN GOOO!

  • @MiguelLopez-yc2rh
    @MiguelLopez-yc2rh Před 2 lety +313

    The thing is that even in his strongest form, Madara will die if someone manages to extract the 10 tails out of his belly so he isnt truly inmortal.
    In the case of Aizen, Gin separated the hogyoku from his body and yet it resurrected him and made him stronger.
    Also, comparing Aizen with a mere Edo tensei is degrading for such a OP character like him.

    • @kirilllomtev1250
      @kirilllomtev1250 Před 2 lety +47

      Aizen > Madara

    • @dominicsommer7187
      @dominicsommer7187 Před 2 lety +53

      I think its funny that Madara doesn't even use his own powers... Edo tensei + hashirama cells + ten tails.
      His sharingan power's are only possible due to the regeneration from hashirama cells. He would have gone blind from a couple uses of perfect susanoo without them.
      All these buffs (which are considered godly in the naruto verse), and yet Madara still doesn't stand a chance to Aizen.

    • @jacobday3826
      @jacobday3826 Před 2 lety +4

      Except you're wrong. Obito survived ten tails extraction quite comfortably and it's well weaker than Madara...
      Dude Aizen was sealed by a low level attack. Naruto and Sasuke would have needed to create an object a little smaller than the moon to seal Madara.

    • @jacobday3826
      @jacobday3826 Před 2 lety +15

      @@dominicsommer7187
      Bro what? Madara has EMS? He wouldn't go blind, you don't go blind with EMS...

    • @MiguelLopez-yc2rh
      @MiguelLopez-yc2rh Před 2 lety +41

      @@jacobday3826
      No jinchuriki can live very long after the tail beast is extracted from him.Hagoromo even confirmed it when they saw Madara at the gates of deaths.
      Aizen was sealed only because he let his enemies sealed him. Deep down in his heart, he wanted to be defeated (and the hogyoku just materialize its deepest wishes) and those seals only worked on him because Aizen didnt want to become .more stronger after Ichigo attack and returned him to his base form.

  • @Ch1l1C0nCarnag3
    @Ch1l1C0nCarnag3 Před 2 lety +91

    The issue with Death Battle is they take two characters from series of vastly different power scales, and somehow try to "balance" them out. It's not happening. That's literally like taking Goku and comparing him to say... Gon from Hunter x Hunter. It's not even close, because the way their series scale their power is just not comparable.

    • @dragon3871
      @dragon3871 Před 2 lety +19

      and different real-world rules too like the saitama vs popeyes they put an anime character against a cartoon character that fallows no real-world rules so that's an easy guess to who wins that battle cartoon characters no matter what if a cartoon gets hurt all they need to do is turn it into something funny after that they will look like they never got hurt in the first place

    • @seenl6eight258
      @seenl6eight258 Před 2 lety +1

      @@dragon3871 or if they made Superman fight Tom and Jerry, and Tom and Jerry win because they can’t die

    • @dragon3871
      @dragon3871 Před 2 lety

      @@seenl6eight258 you got that right no matter what if a cartoon character went against a person who follows the real world rules there's no point in waiting for the video where they're fighting to find out who wins the fight it will always be a cartoon the only way to kill them is unless they use the liquid from the movie who framed roger rabbit

    • @seenl6eight258
      @seenl6eight258 Před 2 lety +1

      No, they only balance them out if the winners is so obvious, and if one character 100% can’t win at all. A good example would be Peter Griffin vs Optimus Prime. They also sometimes do this to piss people off.

  • @idiosyncrasy6941
    @idiosyncrasy6941 Před 2 lety +247

    You did awesome research, I needed this, screwattack triggered me so badly by making that death battle, it was so wrong. This has reassured me that Aizen definitely would've won that fight against Madara.

    • @XenAbuser_tktok
      @XenAbuser_tktok Před 2 lety +4

      U got triggered over a fight😭

    • @idiosyncrasy6941
      @idiosyncrasy6941 Před 2 lety +40

      @@XenAbuser_tktok Pardon me a flesh and blood human for being annoyed with a battle that didn't go how I thought it would.

    • @XenAbuser_tktok
      @XenAbuser_tktok Před 2 lety +2

      @@idiosyncrasy6941 ye, ur living life😂nothing always goes ur way shouldn’t be a shocker

    • @idiosyncrasy6941
      @idiosyncrasy6941 Před 2 lety +24

      @@XenAbuser_tktok Whatever you say pumpkin. 🙄

    • @XenAbuser_tktok
      @XenAbuser_tktok Před 2 lety +1

      @@idiosyncrasy6941 don’t pumpkin me 😒

  • @jinzin1
    @jinzin1 Před 2 lety +70

    Another weird scaling thing between the fanbases that Naruto hardcores won't touch:
    Base Grimjow used a Gran Ray Cero, stated to be a threat to Hueco Mundo, and it ripped a fissure in dimensional fabric as a secondary effect.
    Ichigo blocked that with his Sword.
    Meanwhile H2 Ichi (who just broke through reality btw) barely managed to cut pre-transformed Aizen with a full on Getsuga.
    Then Aizen kept scaling up through the fight and the rest of the series at a geometric rate.
    Guy uses a technique that bends space, but doesn't rip it or break it.. And nearly obliterated Mads the second he landed. How does that version of Madara tank Aizen slapping him around with sheer hands? Makes no sense.

    • @jacobday3826
      @jacobday3826 Před 2 lety +2

      Aizen was impressed with himself because he thought he was blowing apart mountains. Madara in base used his Susano'o to unsheath its sword, which uncapped a mountain range...

    • @TimeIguess
      @TimeIguess Před 2 lety +30

      @@jacobday3826 no he was impressed because he thought the pressure from his only physical attack (which is usually useless in bleach) destroyed the mountain top if you watched bleach literally any random espada could bend space and rip dimensions with attacks. aizen could clap any espada easily and then he evolves 4 times in that range. then ichigo evolves so hard above him he couldnt sense him. then by end of series aizen is argueably stronger than a full power true bankai soul king candidate ichigo so you cant use that as an anti-feat

    • @jacobday3826
      @jacobday3826 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TimeIguess anything you do bends space considering gravity is merely a force that impacts the fabric of reality.

    • @kenny_green5962
      @kenny_green5962 Před 2 lety +20

      @@jacobday3826 Yeah using his giant susanoo which is slow af and he was trying to do that to flex, while Aizen and Ichigo are casually swinging their swords making near mountains disappeared from their clashing, not slicing but completely erasing, and they wasn’t even trying.

    • @jacobday3826
      @jacobday3826 Před 2 lety

      @@kenny_green5962
      There's no reason to think susano'o are slow? The speed of the susano'o is relative to other Naruto characters which are pretty fast.
      They were definitely trying, or at least Aizen was as he was trying to test his power and there were several points he got annoyed and tried to hurt Ichigo (he definitely didn't go all out, he just put a little extra effort into those swings).

  • @ericksquare1210
    @ericksquare1210 Před 2 lety +163

    The one other thing that was mentioned in the anime and in the manga was that of course Aizen is immortal, no questions asked he was practically tanking attacks just because he wanted to. Madara however did the same thing but at certain points though when fighting Guy, he even mentioned if he took a certain attack and a certain angle he would be concerned cause he would die so so that's the other thing they didn't mentioned

    • @odyssey4483
      @odyssey4483 Před 2 lety +12

      If we take Aizen's strongest version and Madara's strongest version,one became immortal and the other gave up on his "immortality" (Madara undid his Reanimation Jutsu).

    • @teriyakisauce7320
      @teriyakisauce7320 Před 2 lety +27

      @@odyssey4483 But reanimating isn’t even immortality especially when fighting a shinigami.

    • @kelvinudom3174
      @kelvinudom3174 Před 2 lety +9

      @@namelessvoid9725 that is regeneration not real immortality. Those are 2 different things

    • @zenixvampirchik652
      @zenixvampirchik652 Před 2 lety +7

      @@namelessvoid9725 and that is in that almost immortal mode he almost lost to guy. A regular human, who is really good and melee combat and put his life on a stake

    • @choppyhakusho
      @choppyhakusho Před 2 lety +1

      Madara can kick the crap out of aizen and seal him easily since Aizen's immortal. Remember Aizen was a mere mountain buster until blood war while Madara has always been planetary+++++ to universal and above the entire time.

  • @taywrdd
    @taywrdd Před 2 lety +99

    Death battle is the definition of “I’m dumb but I’ll try sounding smart so you think I’m smart in a way to convince you that I’m correct”
    Aizen solos tho

    • @seenl6eight258
      @seenl6eight258 Před 2 lety +7

      I dunno what’s worse: Death Battle or CBR
      There’s one CBR article that says Goku beats Deku but loses to Endeavor

    • @taywrdd
      @taywrdd Před 2 lety +5

      CBR it is@@seenl6eight258

    • @supermanprime9596
      @supermanprime9596 Před rokem

      They aren’t dumb but be the actual dumb person who doesn’t know the truth on Death Battle.

    • @waluigifantoychicaac358
      @waluigifantoychicaac358 Před rokem

      @@seenl6eight258 Only Deku wrecks Kid Goku

    • @crisis514
      @crisis514 Před 5 měsíci

      @@waluigifantoychicaac358kid goku solos the entire mha verse easily lol

  • @kingharkinian7805
    @kingharkinian7805 Před 2 lety +113

    Wow, that's actually an amazing covering of Bleach feats.
    Fun fact, DeathBattle did a Q&A and answered questions about their verdict... It was awful. They literally said, no fucking joke, that the Hogyoku only gave Aizen power boosts and therefore would not adapt to Madara's hax. FFS.

    • @espurrseyes42
      @espurrseyes42 Před 2 lety +35

      Even though the Hogyoku regened his body after getting hit by a Hax from Gin, who even removed his Hogyoku?

    • @magnaz26
      @magnaz26 Před 2 lety +6

      Yup....
      By the way, I discovered this on screw attack's commentary of this Death Battle which proves your point.
      This is why Madara won this Death Battle:
      czcams.com/users/clipUgkxGgeY3pU6Gjge4nDFQt2sgLKIMQ2nOwqf

    • @seenl6eight258
      @seenl6eight258 Před 2 lety +30

      @@espurrseyes42 when you’ve got a fan base as toxic and big as Naruto, nothing can stop it, not even gods

    • @xRenz412
      @xRenz412 Před 2 lety +5

      I think we can all agree that eyeballs in animes are getting out of control. Both of them were written to be OP AF to keep their stories going and have too many loop holes they can use. I honestly feel that Aizen would just consider the fight insignificant and just not even deal with it or just research the matter for 10000 years and figure out how to kill him. Scariest shit with Aizen is that insane IQ.

    • @switcher3065
      @switcher3065 Před rokem

      @@seenl6eight258 true dat...narutards are the most violent beings to ever exist

  • @jeffreyreeves
    @jeffreyreeves Před 2 lety +45

    There were so many problems with that deathbattle fight.
    1. It should've ended the moment Aizen dismembered then stabbed Madara. Aizen is a Shinigami, whereas DB decided to use Madara in his reanimated form. Aizen could've easily exorcised Madara out of that body since sending souls was his job for many years.
    2. Given what they think Truth Seeking Orbs are able to do, the moment Aizen attacked Madara while he was reanimated should've done permanent damage seeing as Aizen attacks does exactly the same thing Truth Seeking Orbs would do.
    3. Madara without someone being around to bring him back to life should never have been able to become a 6 paths sage. And in that battle, he just spontaneously brought himself back to life then became a sage.
    4. At the end of the day, Aizen is still a spiritual being able to disintegrate anything that touches him after reaching his pre-butterfly form. Madara still has a physical body that hasn't shown to have resistance to spirit pressure. In other words, the moment Madara put's his hands on Aizen is the moment he probably should've lost it. His Truth Seeking Orbs is probably the only tool he has that could possibly touch Aizen.
    Kyoka Suigetsu and immortality was already covered in this video so I won't waste time going over that. All I can say is that you definitely can tell that Deathbattle has some personal bias in that fight...

    • @user-lo1hv4sv5z
      @user-lo1hv4sv5z Před rokem

      Edo tensei madara is immortal are you dumb?

    • @gojirrarox2137
      @gojirrarox2137 Před 8 měsíci

      So true, and they basically said that truthseeking orbs hurt Minato Edo tensei, something with a physical body, so they can hurt an actual spiritual being. Aizen slams tbh, and they really downplayed Aizen just so Madara could win because of a bit of personal bias it seems, also Madara can't get the ten tails and hashirama cells on his own so that is classed as outside help whereas Aizen created the hogyoku, so he can use it, and the hogyoku also fulfills the desires of the user, so wish granting pretty much. In addition, kyoka suigetsu isn't some little genjutsu that affects chakra flow, as it is a perfect illusion that affects the five senses and not the flow of energy or chakra in a person's body, so Madara wouldn't be able to break out of that. Genjutsu wouldn't work on him because the ones he can use using their justification are not strong enough and Aizen can flex his spiritual pressure or evolve to be unaffected by genjutsu with the hogyoku, there is just no way on god's green earth that Madara has a chance of winning

    • @vfhrgdgd8983
      @vfhrgdgd8983 Před 8 měsíci

      Madara cant even see aizen and 5 problem fanboyd of madara

    • @sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari
      @sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari Před 4 měsíci

      ⁠@@user-lo1hv4sv5zhe's literally a soul attached to a reanimated body so yeah aizen could easly perform a konso and send him on his way. not to mention aizen has a stronger healing/regen factor, true immortality and outclasses madara in virtually every category besides raw AP. Madara has 0 chance.

  • @jinzin1
    @jinzin1 Před 2 lety +89

    It will never cease to astonish me how an entire fanbase will argue for a beefed up scaling through the equivocation of Kaguya's parallel dimension having celestial bodies in it and the like and then immediately ignore the same rhetoric as soon as Yukio's fullbring demonstrates much the same abilities while Ichigo's mid series bankai transformation blew it up from the inside, *then* yap about how featless Bleach is in comparison or some other nonsense while ignoring how o.p. a random "shinagami" jutsu was in the canon the one time we saw it show up.

    • @soul8648
      @soul8648 Před 2 lety +5

      lol right?

    • @magnaz26
      @magnaz26 Před 2 lety +5

      💯

    • @Chillchildren999
      @Chillchildren999 Před rokem +1

      Kaguya never even created the Dimensions to those were fake translations

    • @rishu4139
      @rishu4139 Před rokem +4

      ​@@Chillchildren999 yeah she never created them...
      This roughly translates to assembling space, in the context that this is being used it can also mean "spin" or "thread" kinda like taking a needle and your going to make something out of the thread that your going to use. So your already using pre existing materials, to assemble or create something.
      If this is the case she's not actually creating the dimesnions, she's already using what's in existence. So it's not creation or destruction.
      It's merely using something already there to rearrange where those objects are.
      That’s what her ability aminominaka is about, it's a teleportqtion jutsu. You see a portal open and people go thru and come out the other end.
      She's never been proven to create her dimensions within the actual anime or within the manga. Not anyone in the entire verse has created an entire dimension or universe. Not stated or shown.

  • @apocrypha5062
    @apocrypha5062 Před 2 lety +53

    Madara's hax doesn't work on Aizen who has already evolved to higher dimensional being. Remember this logic which is "low dimensional hax is useless to higher dimensional being".

    • @drama8335
      @drama8335 Před 2 lety

      he never did read bleach again if your a bleach fan you disgsust me

    • @pootispow3232
      @pootispow3232 Před 2 lety +8

      @@drama8335 I miss the part where that is my problem.

    • @reasonableguy8726
      @reasonableguy8726 Před 2 lety +5

      @@drama8335 nasty naruto fan at it again

    • @keith4756
      @keith4756 Před 2 lety +1

      @@drama8335 Go watch ur trash narutard series

    • @Kclanks
      @Kclanks Před 2 lety

      @@drama8335 Nobody said he said that dipshit, they simply said that low dimensional hax don't work on high dimensional beings which is a fact 3d hax don't work on 4d beings

  • @jaycespades8360
    @jaycespades8360 Před 2 lety +60

    Just think of it this way. They have to make EOS Naruto characters fight against mid season bleach characters. That within itself let’s you know they understand Naruto characters are a lot weaker than bleach characters.

    • @sorrybroo8303
      @sorrybroo8303 Před 2 lety +17

      Fodder shinigami is alot stronger tho, they fighting hollow daily

    • @livingrentfree9596
      @livingrentfree9596 Před rokem

      What mid season characters? If your talking about vasto lorde then no, it's feats are non canon. Just because an author works on it doesnt mean its canon. Kindergarten logic.

    • @jaycespades8360
      @jaycespades8360 Před rokem

      @@livingrentfree9596 you can’t prove his feats are non canon plus if the author says the depiction is correct then it’s correct. Unless perhaps you know more about the Bleach storyline and characters than Tite Kubo… Nowhere online has he said VLI feats aren’t canon that’s strictly narutards trying to nerf VLI. Which in itself shows you know narutoverse is fodder compared to Bleachverse. VLI isn’t even Ichigos final form, he’s way stronger now.

    • @livingrentfree9596
      @livingrentfree9596 Před rokem

      @@jaycespades8360 Unless your talking about VLI during ulqiorra fight then everything else is non canon. Plus the ulqiorra stuff isn't even biju tier in the Narutoverse. Ichigo beats Naruto, I don't deny that. But the shit yall bleach fans try to come up with to say "Ichigo stomps the entire verse in his suppressed bankai" or shit like that is ridiculous.

    • @jaycespades8360
      @jaycespades8360 Před rokem

      @@livingrentfree9596 only Biju that put up good fights are 8/9 tail all the others were fodderized. Madara bodied all of them without his eyes and he’s not the strongest person in Naruto. They’re overrated because they’re fighting human ninjas. They’re like Menos Grande in the Bleach verse stop exaggerating. The Menos Grande would terrorize the narutoverse even worse than the Biju.

  • @notthedeadweight
    @notthedeadweight Před 2 lety +84

    Madara: **needs the entire moon and the cells of man that died hundred years ago to trap everyone in an illusion**
    Aizen: kyoka suigetsu **proceed to trap everyone in an illusion that they can't scape just using his sword**

    • @aqil9888
      @aqil9888 Před 2 lety +10

      nah, just by looking at aizen u already in his illusions

    • @Tr1pp1e
      @Tr1pp1e Před rokem

      Lol Itachi, Kakashi, Sasuke, no different bro

    • @dawnthesecond_
      @dawnthesecond_ Před rokem +4

      spoilers:
      in the war arc, he had merged with his zanpakuto, just LOOKING at him will make you fall under his hypnosis

    • @jaredfrancis5062
      @jaredfrancis5062 Před rokem +1

      @@Tr1pp1e very different, all aforementioned shinobi: "look into my eyes"
      Aizen: "you saw my feet and are now trapped in my illusions."

    • @Takuradiorr
      @Takuradiorr Před měsícem

      ​@@Tr1pp1eit is maphaka

  • @marcusreading3783
    @marcusreading3783 Před 2 lety +95

    I like Death Battle. Under normal circumstances, even if the choice is a little...sus, I'm willing to accept it. However, with this one they got BASIC facts about the Bleach Universe wrong. Like, they kept referring to Rukia as if she had a high standing in the Soul Society as a Soul Reaper, which simply isnt true. At the start of the story, shes unranked, which is why she was assigned to the World of the Living in the first place. True, in terms of power, shes actually at least a fourth seat, if not higher, but officially she was a mook. In fact, the fact that she was just a random, work a day Soul Reaper was the corner stone of why so many people ended up calling BS over the use of the Sogyoku.

    • @thanoseid2883
      @thanoseid2883 Před 2 lety +3

      exactly. hell i couldve accepted madara winning IF they hadnt pulled such bs.

  • @saucebotgetsu927
    @saucebotgetsu927 Před 2 lety +74

    Kon, regarding on what you said about KS. I wanna add a feat that KS works on the Espada members, who can have hundreds of millions of souls within them as stated in the bleach novels.
    The Arrancars have no individuality since they are created by hundreds upon hundreds of hollows coming together. This means its affecting every senses of the hollows inside the arrancar themselves.

    • @hitogi06
      @hitogi06 Před 2 lety +32

      The fact that adjucas are formed when one soul in a Guillian overtakes the other thousands upon thousands of souls that makes up a Menos Grande is insane. It's like forcing your whole town to move how you want to move by pure force of will.

    • @Chadfill8348
      @Chadfill8348 Před 2 lety +5

      I mean, Aizen used KS against Barragan in the flashback

    • @schizoreze
      @schizoreze Před 8 měsíci

      @@Chadfill8348 and blud had no eyes to begin with, so it made it all the more impressive.

  • @EmperorSeramir
    @EmperorSeramir Před 2 lety +45

    I've been a Naruto and Bleach fan for years and I've got to say. There is no way Madara could beat Aizen or Naruto could beat Ichigo. Aizen and Ichigo are simply too powerful for anyone in the Naruto universe. I mean, Ichigo in the Soul Society Arc gained the level of Captain in just a few days. These Captains have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. Not to mention that a Vasto Lorde is considered to be beyond the level of Captain. So Ichigo going into his Vasto Lorde form would destroy everything around him.

    • @Lorekeeper72
      @Lorekeeper72 Před 2 lety +4

      If I recall correctly, and its been a few years since I last looked into this, Vasto Lordes are so ridiculously powerful that even post Soul Society Aizen was hesitant to fight one without taking full advantage of Kyoka Suigetsu, hell, he even thought that Vasto Lorde Ichigo would be a worthy test of his abilities with the Hogyoku. Oh, and when it comes to Ichigo during the Soul Society Arc, wasn't his spirital pressure stated to be equivalent to a Captain's right after his match with Kenpachi while he was still beat to shit and prior to achieving Bankai?

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 Před 2 lety +3

      Well.... Mugetsu is pretty much the strongest that Ichigo ever was so ce he pretty much became like a 4D or 5D being so he's even stronger.

    • @DIEFORME173
      @DIEFORME173 Před 2 lety +2

      @@thegamerfe8751 actually True Shikai and Vasto Lorde are stronger than mugetsu but Mugetsu has the ability to destroy beings to a molecular level so if Ichigo wants to go that far he could use it

    • @shotty5519
      @shotty5519 Před 2 lety +1

      @@DIEFORME173 vasto lorde stronger than mugetsu? Source
      I can argue with true shikai but vasto lorde.. stronger than mugetsu? Hell nah 💀

    • @NotAzariel
      @NotAzariel Před rokem

      @@shotty5519 actually in terms of Explosive power yes mugetsu bodies vasto lorde ofc cause that ichigo fodderlizes aizen but vasto lorde and final aizen are more of a match since vasto lorde gets increasingly stronger Mugetsu ichigo is obviously on much stronger he can erase u down to a molecular level and Dangai ichigo outscales and powers

  • @deanoor9391
    @deanoor9391 Před 2 lety +39

    I hate how they keep downplaying bleach characters just to let the weak Naruto characters to win
    Thank you making a great video

    • @GojosBackHand
      @GojosBackHand Před 2 lety

      Most of the bleach characters are weak.

    • @a-sseater553
      @a-sseater553 Před 2 lety +15

      @@GojosBackHand Fodder in bleach could solo naruto, tf do you mean?

    • @XenAbuser_tktok
      @XenAbuser_tktok Před 2 lety

      @@a-sseater553 a fodder character isn’t beating jigen 💀u stretched it

    • @a-sseater553
      @a-sseater553 Před 2 lety +7

      @@XenAbuser_tktok Well, i didn't include boruto because the power-scaling is weird af.

    • @joeycognition8824
      @joeycognition8824 Před 2 lety +9

      @@XenAbuser_tktok Lol narutoverse finally got dragon ball type characters but even then they don’t mean a damn thing. Nobody in the naruto or boruto could even beat Barragan, gimme a name I dare you😂

  • @ayame8095
    @ayame8095 Před 2 lety +136

    I love both series so much and hell, I like Madara more than Aizen but it’s just appalling at how bad this death battle was. Which character is stronger never matters in a series but it gets on my nerves when people spread misinformation in any way. The strongest Naruto character are at best multi planetary while Yhwach in Bleach was going to destroy three universes, and the infinite space that surrounds them with ease. That should just show how different the series are in scaling. Aizen literally said he could shoot down basically Heaven, his offensive power is godlike compared to Madara and he is a true immortal who cannot die. All attacks in Bleach directly attacks the soul, Kisuke said this before the soul society arc and Ichigo before knowing Kisuke’s sword was a Zanpactou was like “that can’t hurt me” because unless a attack damages the soul itself it would be worthless against Soul Reapers and Arrancar, yet even then Aizen recovered from being disintegrated by Gin and completely turned to nothingness by Yhwach.
    His Kyouka suigetsu is so powerful it literally controls every sense someone has, surpassing every genjutsu by far except maybe the Kotoamatsukami but even then it’s the difference between “let me use this power technique” and “hey you looked at me, I can control everything about you”, even allowing him to completely fool basically god, to be fair Yhwach wasn’t using the almighty but there’s no way that Madara would negate what soul king absorbed Yhwach couldnt without the almighty, plus there’s also the fact that the rinnegan doesn’t even negate genjutsu, only ocular genjutsu since it’s the most powerful eye in the series meaning even if Kyouka suigetsu wasn’t far beyond his scope of countering he still wouldn’t be able to negate it, powerwise Aizen is practically infinitely stronger than Madara in every regard for better or worse depending on ones opinion of how strong the series should be.
    Like honestly, powerscaling is pretty stupid in the end, it’s pointless as can be but I just hate the fact that they represented a character I love poorly even if I like the other one more
    Edit: everyone stop arguing with “Choppy Requiem” in the replies. It isn’t worth it, arguing with a blind idiot like him only brings you to his level. After all, what’s the saying? Something like “it’s impossible to argue with an idiot, they’ll just bring you down to their level and win with experience”. His argument is pretty much just “this series with multi continental feats is universal without any evidence and if you say otherwise you’re just a Bleachtard” while reflecting every valid criticism towards him and his argument. Just let him think he’s right about this. Him thinking he’s so smart won’t hurt anyone besides himself after all.

    • @rashadbroadnax6258
      @rashadbroadnax6258 Před 2 lety +13

      Well said the battle was bullshit

    • @iconic8986
      @iconic8986 Před 2 lety +8

      Great explanation and logic behind them. Couldn’t agree more.

    • @choppyhakusho
      @choppyhakusho Před 2 lety +1

      Another Bleach Fanboy.

    • @ayame8095
      @ayame8095 Před 2 lety +14

      @@choppyhakusho not at all, Bleach and Naruto are both my favorite series but I’m not going to pretend like they’re equal in power for some stupid reason. The scale of the series are different, one is far stronger than the other and that’s it. Hell Bleach’s absurdly high scaling is one of the weakest points of it since it makes things way too absurd at times.
      Like they are two different fictional universe, one about Ninja’s with the strongest enemy being a strong alien while the other is about Shinigami with the strongest enemy straight up being god. If I was a Bleach fangirl for this then by the same logic I would be a dbz fangirl if I said Goku solos One Piece

    • @choppyhakusho
      @choppyhakusho Před 2 lety

      @@ayame8095 Yes at all. I like naruto and bleach but im not going to be bias im actually being honest. Naruto's Scaling is far superior. Honestly the boosts they get are ridiculous. Ninja's who tangled with enemies and facing people who've risen into god hood threatening the universe. While in bleach its about a boy finding his place and meaning and the world and defending it becoming a soul reaper fighting a powerful entity who became too strong to beat. If your a bleach fangirl then you clearly have bias. It's that simple.

  • @sumosum0
    @sumosum0 Před 2 lety +23

    The thing that got me so annoyed is that they treated Aizens hypnosis like it's an off and on thing.

  • @Agel1ic
    @Agel1ic Před 2 lety +123

    There is other point that people seem to forget, even if Aizen were to fall into a Sharingan illusion, he would be able to fight Madara with no problem, like he did Shinji who also has the power to control the seances.

    • @GrayMinemanLOL
      @GrayMinemanLOL Před 2 lety +18

      shinji was probably under kyokasuigetsu but its still a stomp for aizen

    • @sonickiller2381
      @sonickiller2381 Před 2 lety +8

      @@GrayMinemanLOL he was aizen said he we was

    • @GrayMinemanLOL
      @GrayMinemanLOL Před 2 lety +4

      @@sonickiller2381 yea i don’t remember clearly its been a while since i finished bleach😅

    • @marcusreading3783
      @marcusreading3783 Před 2 lety +4

      To be fair, I dont think that was Aizen. I'm fairly sure he'd switched with Momo at that point, or the whole thing was just Aizen fucking with Shinji.

    • @weafy6007
      @weafy6007 Před 2 lety

      Shinjis weak as illusion is nothing compared to the most basic genjutsu

  • @quan13ism
    @quan13ism Před 2 lety +37

    12:20 right here is something no one likes to talk about when scaling KS due to the insane feat it has while debating after the death battle I asked the guy could genjutsu do the exact same thing to yhwach that KS did in terms of manipulating every possible timeline yhwach could see he had no response 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @soul8648
      @soul8648 Před 2 lety +5

      LOL

    • @SurpremeCalamitas
      @SurpremeCalamitas Před rokem +5

      And the point is that KS can trick a Sharingan into thinking that it's functioning, since KS hypnosis and Genjutsu work differently

  • @kye9984
    @kye9984 Před 2 lety +58

    Subbed and well deserved my friend. I love people who talks with the facts. Not only opinion but showing the context itself.

  • @hypnotic_o
    @hypnotic_o Před 2 lety +28

    aizen solos the verse literally no diff. i subbed, keep up the good work.

    • @ichigokurosaki9098
      @ichigokurosaki9098 Před 2 lety +6

      I hope Death battle just stops making videos involving Bleach, they have no idea how Bleach works

    • @hypnotic_o
      @hypnotic_o Před 2 lety +3

      @@ichigokurosaki9098 fr. like ichigo and aizen scale relative to juha who is a universal being lowballed.

    • @ulitmatedangai4934
      @ulitmatedangai4934 Před 2 lety +1

      when they talked about the TSO I said to myself Whaaaaaaaaat? I feel like the team of Death-Battle is one of 3 things:
      1- Biased towards Naruto.
      2- Their knowledge about Bleach is weak as Clyde said.
      and I will pick the 2 because they admitted that they gave the victory to Madara because he is more popular also we saw a lot of mistakes about Bleach.

    • @ulitmatedangai4934
      @ulitmatedangai4934 Před 2 lety +1

      Also there are things in Bleach that eradicates the victims from existence for example:
      1- Hado 54 and any Kido Master at least have this ability.
      2- Qunicies.
      3- Soi Fong's 2 stings.
      4- Yammamoto's Bankai.
      Why none of them was able to use it on Aizen?

    • @footy743
      @footy743 Před 2 lety +3

      @@ulitmatedangai4934 also Ichibei's Ichimonji Aizen has comseptual manipulation resistence

  • @waitingforshirouday38
    @waitingforshirouday38 Před 2 lety +25

    Don't forget that it was stated that Yamamoto's bankai could burn the entire seireitei which roughly has the circumference of half the moon basically making aizen some what moon buster level out of scaling and I do feel like they ignored this as well in the ichigo vs naruto fight but that's just me
    Edit : I checked the manga panel again and Unohana hinted at how yamamoto could (given time) brun the entire soul society which is universal side or planet sized depending on interpertation

    • @josheeyzgaming3662
      @josheeyzgaming3662 Před rokem +3

      Its confirmed in the anime that the bankai was at 13,000,000°C and was was literally being tanked by a fake yhwach. There no enitity in naruto defending that.

    • @Pqihtyieojn12
      @Pqihtyieojn12 Před rokem +2

      15, 000,000 degrees Celsius

  • @ManOfCulture6969
    @ManOfCulture6969 Před 2 lety +19

    Gg my man, we need more people like you who actually appericiate Bleach and understands its potential and power, you deserve sub for this flawless representation of how big difference in power is between Bleach and Naruto, keep up the good work

  • @-_-DatDude
    @-_-DatDude Před 2 lety +76

    One thing I want to say is that Genjutsu wouldn't work on 99% of Shinigami in cross battle verse as... "A genjutsu is created when a ninja controls the *CHAKRA* flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses."
    The key word in that quotation is Chakra. The thing is, Chakra is not a natural/universal energy system like Ki is in Dragon Ball for example.
    It is literally stated in the anime and manga that Chakra is a alien energy that was introduced to earth by Kaguya. The anime showed that people were living on earth before Kaguya, perfectly fine without Chakra. Which basically means in a crossverse fight the only Shinigami who you could make a argument for having Chakra would be Earth born characters like Ichigo as the last time I checked, Soul Society=/=Earth. Even then it would be iffy for it to work on Ichigo as spiritual beings in Naruto seem to have immunity to Genjutsu.

    • @sorrybroo8303
      @sorrybroo8303 Před 2 lety +17

      Yep chakra come from tree god,not naruto earth, alien parasite want that tree god toget powerfull

    • @-_-DatDude
      @-_-DatDude Před 2 lety +12

      @@sorrybroo8303 Yeah that's true and even the god tree is alien, as the first one landed as a seed from a meteorite. However it was Kaguya herself that indirectly gave Chakra to the Shinobi World.

    • @khalilwilliams1818
      @khalilwilliams1818 Před 2 lety +1

      what the fuck are you talkin about you know nothing. charkas are connect to ki chi holy spirit kundalini aka connected to the spirit you couldnt even function without it its all the same shit just different terminology for different cultures. ki is Japanese chi is Chinese chakras are Hindu . chakras are connected to your endocrine gland which are connected to your emotions. this is why alcohol is called spirits because it taps you into spirit so does weed.thats like saying you have chi and I have ki so you can't affect me smh its the same shit

    • @-_-DatDude
      @-_-DatDude Před 2 lety +18

      @@khalilwilliams1818 I'm talking about how Chakra works in Naruto you illiterate moron. Chakra in Naruto isn't a like for like energy system to other Shonen series. As people in Narutoverse were not dependent on it before Kaguya landed on Earth.

    • @khalilwilliams1818
      @khalilwilliams1818 Před 2 lety

      @@-_-DatDude death battle clearly explained how raietsu and chakras are inter connected dummy

  • @LordKumo
    @LordKumo Před 2 lety +9

    OMG SOME ONE FINALLY SAID IT HYPNOSIS AND ILLUSION ARE DIFFERENT

    • @generalothinel2284
      @generalothinel2284 Před 2 lety +4

      I know right!?!?!?!

    • @Odin_Allvater
      @Odin_Allvater Před 2 lety

      Why does this matter ?

    • @peyton5322
      @peyton5322 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Odin_Allvater
      Illusion similiar to imagination/Dream :
      You will think you get hit by car over and over but not dead, something weird will happend to you who didn't make any sense.. And you will started realese you are under illusion..
      Hypnosis is hard to make you realease you under hypnosis because you will still live normal live..
      My friend get hypnosis before, she let other people come to her store and take her product without paid. She started confused when she wanted close the store and started see the income.. Many product missing but why the income still little.. And she started asking people around the store. People said their two man come to your store this morning and talk to you and we see you giving your product to them so we think that man is your customer.. And my friend get more confused because she dosn't remember anything. She said she remember their two man come to her store asking some product but after that she dosn't remember anything..

    • @Odin_Allvater
      @Odin_Allvater Před 2 lety

      @@peyton5322 nice Story. How exactly does Aizen use his hypnosis? I mean does he need to control what others are seeing?

    • @peyton5322
      @peyton5322 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Odin_Allvater yes, Aizen can control 5 sense with his hypnosis power..
      Aizen make Shinji think he walk with Aizen for 3 days when in reality Shinji always walk with other people.. But Shinji saw that people as Aizen..
      Aizen did the some think when he pretend to died, people really believe Aizen died, only captain unohana from medic who think the body look weird but she dosn't know she is under hypnosis, she just think maybe Aizen not died because the body are fake..
      When fighting in fake karakura town, Aizen make all captains believe they are fighting him in reality the one they fighting is Hinamori. Ichigo who not under hypnosis try to stop them, but Aizen make the captains focusing to attack Hinamori so they not hear or saw Ichigo..
      The problem is we never knew when Aizen use the hypnosis power because all Shinigami using sword, and fighting with sword so we never knew when he actived the power, and know the sword fused with his body making it more hard to know when he actived the power..

  • @jubilantvision2212
    @jubilantvision2212 Před 2 lety +28

    Truth Seeker Orbs hit the Fourth Hokage and he passed out. Somehow that’s supposed to kill Aizen. Even though he’s not a human soul or being at all?

    • @sorrybroo8303
      @sorrybroo8303 Před 2 lety +1

      Nameless zanpakuto=tsb😂

    • @PassingTimeDokkan
      @PassingTimeDokkan Před 2 lety +1

      You wrong if you think aizen Is dumb enough to be hit with Truth Seeking Orbs Plus He's not the only one who has the ability to heal not only heal the ability to control REALITY ITSELF

    • @jubilantvision2212
      @jubilantvision2212 Před 2 lety +1

      @@PassingTimeDokkan The only reason the 4th Hokage couldn't heal is because that edo tensei move is a chakra ability. Aizen doesn't even use chakra.

    • @greengarnish1711
      @greengarnish1711 Před 2 lety +6

      All of you are missing the important point, it's that Bleach abilities are ALL SOUL BASED! So TSO comes off as just another ability that erases abilities, it's akin to a Fullbringer member being able to use such an ability. Wow.. how impressive.

  • @madarauchiha781
    @madarauchiha781 Před 2 lety +55

    I was so shocked Aizen losing like he did that shit ain’t happening bro💀 aizen solos Narutoverse

    • @smananderson09
      @smananderson09 Před 2 lety +29

      Even madara himself says aizen solos narutoverse

    • @Kclanks
      @Kclanks Před 2 lety +4

      He should've said "Kyoka Suigetsu, Shatter"

    • @thanoseid2883
      @thanoseid2883 Před 2 lety +1

      @@smananderson09 and that proves it. even the guy he fought is admitting it.

    • @terryhill8305
      @terryhill8305 Před 2 lety

      Itachi could beat aizen

    • @terryhill8305
      @terryhill8305 Před 2 lety

      Illusions dont work on a mastered sharingan

  • @fishnutz5196
    @fishnutz5196 Před 2 lety +4

    Mans preaching! Love all the points you bring up. People need to stop sleeping on Bleach power scales man!!!!

  • @ragnarlothbrok2076
    @ragnarlothbrok2076 Před 2 lety +4

    Wow I appreciate the work you have put into this video. Good job keep it up.

  • @eyes_in
    @eyes_in Před 2 lety +12

    Actually ichigo was faster than light speed starting from episode 16 as he dodged a cero blast which is estimated to be as fast as the speed of light

    • @footy743
      @footy743 Před 2 lety +1

      Ichigo is ftl+ in base

  • @aizensosuke6320
    @aizensosuke6320 Před 2 lety +7

    Yo you make some hella solid arguments bro. Subbing

  • @Ozzifist
    @Ozzifist Před 2 lety +5

    Subbed instantly. Great editing and solid facts. What's the song used for "Aizen is the goat?"

  • @allanburrito7063
    @allanburrito7063 Před 2 lety +4

    Such in depth analysis!
    Subbed

  • @Insomniac11th
    @Insomniac11th Před 2 lety +39

    You know what’s crazy technically everyone in bleach was faster then light since the soul society arc because rangiku dodged a beam of light when aizen was dipping so everyone was just faster then naruto is

    • @Crunchysopa52
      @Crunchysopa52 Před 2 lety +4

      yup she did + I believe Hisagi did too & he was nearly drained of all his reiatsu by Yumichika a little while ago earlier but still did it.

    • @bleachfade1520
      @bleachfade1520 Před 2 lety

      No everyone isn't faster than light.

    • @Insomniac11th
      @Insomniac11th Před 2 lety +2

      @@bleachfade1520 who isn’t and why

    • @Crunchysopa52
      @Crunchysopa52 Před 2 lety +2

      @@bleachfade1520 the Lt's are + some 3rd seats

    • @Insomniac11th
      @Insomniac11th Před 2 lety

      @@Crunchysopa52 my question is do you think they are gonna show their feats? I’d say sure but they would at least have to become soul society arc level at least to rangikus level because of power leveling in the series

  • @hezyh7688
    @hezyh7688 Před 2 lety +3

    ShonenKon blessing us with this banger thanks🙏🐐

  • @moonl8536
    @moonl8536 Před 2 lety +17

    Thank you 🙌🔥💯 About time someone keeping the same energy with both series not just one !!

  • @ehudezra4610
    @ehudezra4610 Před 2 lety +107

    Madara is below Kaguya who can create a dimension with few stars&multiple suns/moons in the OVA(cannon btw) which at best puts her at low solar system level
    Aizen in his monster form is 3d(above all Shinigamis which includes Bankai Yamamoto who's above Gremmy fight Kenpachi who's multi galaxy since he destroyed the galaxy room which contained 3 galaxies) then said he gained powers like Mugetsu who was 4d(universal)
    The space time continuum statements are inconsistent with Kaguya so i won't use them
    And it doesn't matter since Madara is below a being that is max at solar system level(not taking to account the inconsistent space time statements with Kaguya bc it would cause usage of too much headcannon) and Aizen in the TYBW had much better showings vs post Reo Mimiagi absorbed Yhwach (with the all mighty activated) then True Shikai Ichigo who's>~Mugetsu so that alone makes Aizen low Multiversal+
    So Aizen stomps Madara regardless unless Madara had a resistance to Kyokasuigetso which usually depends on Reiatsu/spiritual energy which Aizen with his Reiatsu alone can destroy the Soul King realm
    And Aizen is a Kido master that actually was able to use some hand to hand combat vs Kisuke Yoruichi Isshin and has infinite speed scaling while Madara is MFTL
    so Aizen doesn't even need Kyokasuigetso
    Bleach characters overall scales higher the statements are more consistent then what they're in Naruto

    • @ALPHA_153
      @ALPHA_153 Před 2 lety +2

      That’s probably the best explanation I have seen regarding that topic

    • @liancao7163
      @liancao7163 Před 2 lety +1

      and the aizen fighting ywach is still partially sealed

    • @ehudezra4610
      @ehudezra4610 Před 2 lety

      @@liancao7163 yes but the main thing that restrained his Reiatsu was the chair

    • @jacobday3826
      @jacobday3826 Před 2 lety

      Aizen was impressed he was destroying mountain. Madara unsheated his Susano'o sword and decapitated an entire mountain range casually...
      Also Aizen's hypnosis relies on the eyes. Which is funny because the base level Sharingan can resist visual hypnosis. Let alone the MS. Let alone the EMS, let alone the Rinnegan. Let alone the Rinne-Sharingan.
      And there's nothing to suggest Aizen can't be put under a genjutsu.
      Good try though. :)

    • @endme9928
      @endme9928 Před 2 lety +4

      @@jacobday3826 just listen to 9:40 is shows how genjutsu won’t work good try though :)

  • @TheEliteace
    @TheEliteace Před 2 lety +2

    10/10 video! Liked and subbed! As a bleach fan and reviewer I gotta give you major props!

  • @DyadintheForce
    @DyadintheForce Před 7 měsíci

    I was WAITING for someone to draw the distinction between Hypnosis and Illusion. Thank you SO much!

  • @tendrillion3580
    @tendrillion3580 Před 2 lety +17

    I don't get why people get mad about it tbh, if it was a close call i'd understand it but it's pretty obvious Aizen would wreck Madara and toy with him. It's not even up to discussion so idk what's all this text i'm seeing in the comments lmao. Like we're talking a krillin vs Cell scenario here, Madara is a human with a handful of tricks he's not playing in the same league.

    • @Fau499
      @Fau499 Před 2 lety +1

      I'd rather say Krillin vs Cell (who's in some stupidly boosted form that is non-canon, like SSJG for Cell, but the point is that this is just sad to compare)

  • @Mothy939
    @Mothy939 Před 4 měsíci +2

    That was a very nicely done debunk ❤

  • @diegocastro1816
    @diegocastro1816 Před 2 lety

    Thank you sooo much for explaining the part of regeneration, that was something I was really frustrated

  • @doomslayer3294
    @doomslayer3294 Před 2 lety +30

    Aizen would honestly playfully play with Madara a bit, until Madara starts boasting about his power... Then Aizen would just say "you believe that's strength... Fascinating" then absolutely demolish him in 2 seconds

    • @greengarnish1711
      @greengarnish1711 Před 2 lety +1

      That's legit how it would go down.

    • @Fau499
      @Fau499 Před 2 lety +1

      2 seconds? That's a little bit too much time for him to be alive

    • @DarthVader-6637
      @DarthVader-6637 Před 2 lety

      I think he means the 2 seconds to fall to the ground

  • @ichigoat8498
    @ichigoat8498 Před 2 lety +6

    Damn this is the best debunk i have ever seen

  • @Kay-ol1ye
    @Kay-ol1ye Před 5 měsíci +2

    Mans spoke facts. Even though i found a bunch of flaws in the deathbattle, we all knew that Aizen wins

  • @Matsusasuke
    @Matsusasuke Před 2 lety +2

    I hope 2022 is your year man. You are so underrated.

  • @s4g3sncere
    @s4g3sncere Před 2 lety +5

    “He got the rinnagan now thinking that he flawless, I look into his eyes All I see is two targets”

  • @dawnthesecond_
    @dawnthesecond_ Před rokem +8

    Keep in mind that Aizen is basically SCP-682, he literally can't die, and when you do, he adapts and resurrects.

    • @eddieboston6540
      @eddieboston6540 Před rokem

      No limit fallacy

    • @Kclanks
      @Kclanks Před rokem +1

      @@eddieboston6540 You keep spamming no limit fallacy when that's how his ability works lmao. You can't kill him, and he evolves and gets stronger the longer you fight him. Even if this was a no limit fallacy. Madara doesn't have ANYTHING that can damage Aizen.

    • @Kclanks
      @Kclanks Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@mr.hazamayukiterumi Not Madara though

    • @sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari
      @sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari Před 4 měsíci

      @@eddieboston6540kubo wrote this character to troll and it's working as intended. no limits fallacy or not, it's how the character has been written🤷🏽

  • @giantgains7777
    @giantgains7777 Před 2 lety +1

    Great research keep up the good work

  • @rickyric7039
    @rickyric7039 Před 2 lety +1

    My man came with the receipts. 10/10 video

  • @braimabangura8927
    @braimabangura8927 Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you for the video I knew it was impossible for Madara win again Aizen

  • @Bear-kb4kt
    @Bear-kb4kt Před 2 lety +22

    Yammotos blade is stated to erase anything without a trace its a literal type of existence eraser but but aizen could survive that as its stated no know thing the soul society has can execute him
    neither Madara Nor Yammoto have true existance eraser, True existence eraser is someone like Nocturnal From TES which can erase your body,mind,soul,atheral aspects, and deletes you from evey infinite timeline down to it's past present and future and takes it a step further by making it as if you never existed so no one would know you ever existed. just noting this cause people seem to think the truth seeking orbs are true existence erasers when they are not, aizen would just regen
    thanks for metioning the Yammoto bankai idk how that one flew over death battels head

    • @hitogi06
      @hitogi06 Před 2 lety +8

      Guess what. This one quincy, that was imagined into reality, has the power to do just that to himself.

    • @joeycognition8824
      @joeycognition8824 Před 2 lety +1

      @@hitogi06 Damn yea Gremmy is too hax af that Kenpachi got pretty lucky in that fight. Or it was just major plot armor lol

  • @ezzybezzy3754
    @ezzybezzy3754 Před 2 lety +2

    Its nice to see aomeone actually did research on this battle. Well done

  • @dwinsome64
    @dwinsome64 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video keep up the great work

  • @Gypsygeekfreak17
    @Gypsygeekfreak17 Před 2 lety +5

    dude your avatar looks badass

  • @xXNeOnSwAgXx
    @xXNeOnSwAgXx Před 2 lety +11

    They completely forget about the hokyoku even after mentioning it, I love both series and I know a lot more about Naruto than bleach but I seen both series anime fully -fillers but bruh how does aizen loose while having the hokyoku when Ichigo didn't make it reject aizen in this Madara vs aizen situation

  • @nightfall4618
    @nightfall4618 Před 2 lety +2

    Aaaaaaaaa!
    In the end!
    Man! You really rid it! You showed the difference between a man with supernatural powers and a god with full powers!
    Good Man! Thank You!

  • @okxd8988
    @okxd8988 Před 2 lety +1

    for someone who has 770 subs... ur editing in the vid is amazing

  • @Elite_Wo1f
    @Elite_Wo1f Před 2 lety +8

    Also don’t forgot. Sakura was stabbed by a Truth seeking orb and she was completely fine

    • @choppyhakusho
      @choppyhakusho Před 2 lety

      Wrong Naruto pulled her out nice try with the Naruto downplay. Bleachtards these dats.

    • @Elite_Wo1f
      @Elite_Wo1f Před 2 lety +4

      @@choppyhakusho You’re female lead legit was stabbed by Madara’s Orb. 😐. Watch your war arc again dumbass

  • @Sniper9773
    @Sniper9773 Před 2 lety +8

    Finally, a video debunking that deathbattle nonsense. Subscribed!

  • @sinossadragonstarrk
    @sinossadragonstarrk Před 4 měsíci +2

    My guy took his research and slams it in facts. Most of these I didn't know nice work.

  • @Red-lo7ob
    @Red-lo7ob Před 2 lety +1

    very good video good points and everything I'm subscribing 👍

  • @HansPeter-iv9ck
    @HansPeter-iv9ck Před 2 lety +8

    The truth Seeker orb argument was real bullshit anyways.
    Aizen made it pretty clear towards Soi Fong when she used her 2 hit insta kill that he can simply negate her Shikai by simply being stronger then it. And at that point he didnt even transform mind you. Truth Seeker aint gonna do shit against Aizen.
    On top of that they failed to understand that Aizen in the last Arc never at any point was at full strenght. The whole last Arc Aizens body is almost completely sealed his whole Suit is a seal itself. Aizen only fights with the Raiatsu thats leaking out of his seals and we all saw what he did with just that small amount he has available.

  • @natedogmarik2554
    @natedogmarik2554 Před 2 lety +12

    the only argument I was giving them was the infinite tsukyomi because truly I didnt have any argument against it and yet totally forgot that the edo tensei bypasses it and heck sasuke literally covered naruto and the gang up with his susanno and literally just avoided it. So its not a permanent cast like KS. Very well handled 👏

  • @kendricklaimer8807
    @kendricklaimer8807 Před 2 lety +1

    You have potential! Subbed

  • @rhodri4348
    @rhodri4348 Před 2 lety +2

    And this was in 16mins, Outstanding job mann

  • @kaikuso9711
    @kaikuso9711 Před 2 lety +8

    also lets not forget the biggest cherry on the top
    AIZEN HAD THE FUCKING HOGYOKU
    an item that lets him evolve ENDLESSLY meaning that anything, ANYTHING madara pulled would be meaningless because aizen would evolve past that with the magic ball of hacks

    • @GojosBackHand
      @GojosBackHand Před 2 lety

      And he was still seal away by some of the weakest characters in bleach🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Před 2 lety +7

      @@GojosBackHand Urahara is a captain, he is not weak, and the seal only worked because Ichigo weakened Aizen enough.
      Along with Aizen subconsciously wanting to lose.

    • @Mr_ProNoob
      @Mr_ProNoob Před 2 lety +2

      @@GojosBackHand you talkin like that bout Aizen even though Madara got screwed with a hand through his chest from ZETSU LMAO

    • @kaikuso9711
      @kaikuso9711 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Mr_ProNoob as a line I heard from a rap battle once said "I am king, numero uno, you cannot compete when you lose your life to a follower"

    • @Mr_ProNoob
      @Mr_ProNoob Před 2 lety +1

      @@kaikuso9711 let's not forget "Taking L after L after L must be tiring, you was better off just retiring. We in 2 different tiers, the difference between you and me is that you're a puppet, in the puppeteer"

  • @CipherDVoid
    @CipherDVoid Před 2 lety +9

    OK so the way I explain this battle isn't actually simply based on power. Rather I believe Aizen would win is his psychological approach.
    Madara enjoys battle and doesn't take proper assessment of battle. This what leads him to be surprised and outwit. People day Madara plan for Infinite Tsukyumi was hundreds or thousands of years in the making. Yeah I know the duration right. Yet Madara himself didn't take any direction action besides Obito. He healed him on the fact he was an Uchiha. Then he wanted Obito revive as payment. Yet Obito had no obligation to. In fact is Kabuto never revived him would he ever comeback. This tells me Madara is known for his power not foresight. Not to mention he got his entire plan from ancient stone tablet. That happens to be made by black zetsu.
    Meanwhile Aizen spent time canonical revising his plan. He had a goal and constantly strives for it. He isn't above to taking another's achievements and improving that.
    From the soul society Aizen mastered Kido and Hado. The main spell system used. He learned flash step and basics of kendo. Lastly Kyokasuigestu speaks to his psychological profile. So a Zanpakuto is manifestation of one's will brought to life by an asauchi. Aizen entire identity is suggestive. Given his exceptional skills and power why would he need to explain Kyokasuigestu over and over. Then rather what is complete hypnosis. Each time it is used the depiction of the hypnosis is precise. It isn't random everyone experiences the same hypnosis. So I stand to say Kyokasuigestu true ability is simply suggestive. I know it doesn't seem that impressive. Yet think a simplistic ability given to an exceptional thinker is dangerous. Kyokasuigestu uses Aizens reishi to weave a narrative. Makes sense a Kido type release for a kido master. Reishi is like a muscle we've seen training to increase one's spiritual pressure or presence of one's soul.
    So if Aizen is constantly releasing and flexing his reishi it will become greater in mass and definition. Aizen constantly suggests to his opponents. Except Zaraki, Byakuyuya and Ichigo. Each have their own reasons why suggest doesn't work.
    Zaraki is instinctual he doesn't think anything except the fight at hand. He notices the tension, eye movements and pressure one releases.
    Next is Byakuyuya who has impeccable sense of duty. He can be influenced, but not to his duties. Infringing on his duties would bring his to rationalization. That's why Aizen would wait after Ichigo fought against both of them. As for Ichigo he is simplistic. He wants to save his friends and family. He doesn't care about many nuisances. Aizen suggest complete hypnosis.
    Aizen makes the best usage if his power and rarely lose sight of his goal. Meanwhile Madara had changed his true goal multiple times on a whim. Kido and Hado doesn't just grow in power the higher it goes. It takes one reishi and enacts a process. The only way to stop Hado and Kido. Is to change the definition or pressure of one's soul. Dangai Ichigo didn't break a black hole with his bare hand. He exceeded Aizen's reishi apart before the effect could stand.

  • @revenantronin8377
    @revenantronin8377 Před 2 lety

    You got yourself a loyal sub. Keep it up!! Happy new year.

  • @elbowpastatime
    @elbowpastatime Před 2 lety +2

    Nice to get one of these with a tight script.
    That's a sub from me

  • @MonsterOfGod777
    @MonsterOfGod777 Před 2 lety +4

    Finally someone who knows what they are saying.

  • @MuramatsuSk8Clips
    @MuramatsuSk8Clips Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you for stating what should have been obvious to any fan of both.

  • @terrycarter2180
    @terrycarter2180 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video 👏👏

  • @S532-DISPOSITION
    @S532-DISPOSITION Před 2 lety +1

    1:57 man screw attack definitely nailed that one 🤣 tells you alot about screw attack and how they research the verses they attempt to scale

  • @icameheretolaughatyou6984
    @icameheretolaughatyou6984 Před 2 lety +54

    to add to this and although for now it is in fact just a statement and not really backed up by actual visible proof, this statement is so absurd that it becomes believable in the context of Bleach and specifically Aizen..
    in the newest chapter of Bleach, right at the end where Ichigo, Renji and the other Lieutenants are fighting weird Hollow-like creatures. Hell Szyellaporro shows up and states that the Gates of Hell have now opened because "Aizen disappered"
    let me say that again...
    Hell, a dimension that houses literal millions of souls from different eras in time, have remained closed... because Aizen's Reiatsu is so immense that it has been keeping it that way...
    *Aizen, JUST BY EXISTING, has been the literal padlock to faqing HELL*
    and now that he's "disappeared", implying that wherever he is he's far enough that his Reiatsu can NOT reach hell, and Shinigami Reiatsu can reach far like REALLY FAR. so wherever Aizen is, he has figured out a way to make himself completely invisible even to an entire dimension tht has been using him as a lock for who knows how long...
    oh but the Truth Seeking Orbs probably have multiversal GPS on them right??

    • @umelgaming3177
      @umelgaming3177 Před 2 lety +7

      well although not wrong they also mention the death of Ywach playing a factor, so it wasn't just Aizen keeping them at bay but the point stands

    • @GrayMinemanLOL
      @GrayMinemanLOL Před 2 lety +7

      i want to correct you on one thing... its like trillions of souls

    • @GrayMinemanLOL
      @GrayMinemanLOL Před 2 lety +2

      millions just make aizens reiatsu more absurd than it already is imagine trillions

    • @icameheretolaughatyou6984
      @icameheretolaughatyou6984 Před 2 lety +7

      @@GrayMinemanLOL yeah, now that you mention it. millions is probably a low-ball since Soul Society has existed even before the Gotei 13 and the Gotei was established to take "good" souls to Soul Society...
      now think about that but the opposite, as in Hell, where all the "evil" people from literally the beginning of time are sent to..
      it definitely is at LEAST in the trillions

    • @icameheretolaughatyou6984
      @icameheretolaughatyou6984 Před 2 lety +7

      @@umelgaming3177 you're right. while I may have forgotten that line (even though it was literally said right after Aizen's name lol my bad) Hell as a dimension is just FAQING HUGE!! and only TWO people have been keeing it closed?? bruh.. even though let's say Yhwach was doing like 60% or even 70% of that job, the fact that it was stated within the chapter itself that ALL Captains from the very establishment of the Gotei 13 is sent there meaning that all that Reiatsu could NOT push back against Yhwach's and Aizen's is just an amazing feat! like think about it, Squad 11 canonically has like 9 Captains (and while that Squad's whole schtick is killing the Capt to take their position) that's STILL 7 Captains that have been sent to hell AND now the first Kenpachi from 1 out of 13 Court Guard Squads PLUS at LEAST trillions (millions is a low ball which is also my bad) of souls and they STILL couldn't counter two people's reaiatsus!!

  • @chriscolombie4135
    @chriscolombie4135 Před 2 lety +5

    There is also something else to debunk it is stated genjutsu is basically hijacking Chakra flow at the level of the nervous system of the brain but it wouldn’t work since only beings in the naruto verse affected by the otsutsuki actually pocess chakra which will make it impossible to control or disrupt anything in a soul reaper because there is basically nothing to disrupt and even if it was the case they are pure souls meaning as shown with the infinite tsukuyomi almost no known genjutsu could possibly affect them

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Před 2 lety +2

      Genjutsu also does not work on dead things/clones in its own verse.
      Edit-> Did not read your last part.
      Aizen's shikai being a soul attack would mean Sharigan would not be able to get out of it

    • @chriscolombie4135
      @chriscolombie4135 Před 2 lety

      @@khulmach9662 very true

    • @suzeray87
      @suzeray87 Před 11 měsíci

      @@khulmach9662 little late replying. But there are a few genjutsu’s that work on dead people. Kotoamatsukami worked on itachi when Naruto & Killer Bee fought itachi and Nagato. That’s what helped itachi break free from Kabuto and go after him. But to be fair, Aizen will still stomp even if Kotoamatsukami was used against him.

  • @tensazangetsu7062
    @tensazangetsu7062 Před 2 lety +1

    Great Video good explanation

  • @ihaveasandwichinmypocket
    @ihaveasandwichinmypocket Před 2 lety +1

    Good video man!

  • @gojirrarox2137
    @gojirrarox2137 Před 9 měsíci +3

    What's funny is, aizen doesnt newd to use bankai to beat madara

  • @danminaa9259
    @danminaa9259 Před 2 lety +13

    Really unfair battle. Aizen solos the verse dude

  • @Meta_Ciphers.
    @Meta_Ciphers. Před 2 lety

    I like this channel, but so far, all I see is bleach content. I would love to see him talk about a lot of other manga verses. Regardless, subbed.

  • @zaraki_316kazamahanma5
    @zaraki_316kazamahanma5 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video!

  • @spiritualwarrior5690
    @spiritualwarrior5690 Před 2 lety +5

    Don't forget the Hogokyu can evolve the KS if Aizen wishes to evolve his Blade's ability more and more.

  • @erlsweatpants9628
    @erlsweatpants9628 Před 2 lety +13

    Son 3 words....reaper death seal. Deal with the shinigami in your own verse killing your kages before you even THINK about stepping to the bleach verse

    • @shonenkon2456
      @shonenkon2456  Před 2 lety +3

      🤣😂 You funny dude

    • @erlsweatpants9628
      @erlsweatpants9628 Před 2 lety +3

      @@shonenkon2456 tht was directed towards the narutards in the comments. #Bleach2022

  • @BlazingAce20
    @BlazingAce20 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I know this is a old video but you didn't state the other way to stop his zanpakuto which Gin says is by touching the zanpakuto itself. It stops everything and that is the only way other then Aizen stopping it himself. Another thing is that Yhwach was under the illiusons once he left the area where Aizen was at. Most people thing he needs his zanpakuto but he no longer needs it anymore. The fact that they didn't even have him in his chair in death battle just shows everyone they didn't even try at all. Also Madara actually died of old age and had to be revived. It was dumb of them to mess out everything like that. They did the same thing with Ichigo.

  • @kamyoyurika141
    @kamyoyurika141 Před 2 lety

    new subs is here! dope video man

  • @slickgohan5717
    @slickgohan5717 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Even if we go on to say that aizen wins(which he does), we'll still have narutards who think otherwise

  • @nagato1549
    @nagato1549 Před 2 lety +5

    I love BBS 6th anni Aizen design

  • @josephvaccariello4181
    @josephvaccariello4181 Před 8 měsíci +1

    thing is also at any point aizen got a good slash on madara which he would thats a spirit destroying attack that would have likely cut into the 10 tails thats inside of madara disrupting his control of it since chakra that the 10 tails is made out of is spirit based making it go out of control and just burst out of the cut pretty much insta ending the fight. Even to please the low ballers aizen in a lesser form then end of series scales to ichigo who while suppressing himself to limit the dmg of his attacks swings a sword with so much force it blows a mountain up with casual using one hand and no strain. This means it overcomes aizens strike and still has enough energy to turn a mountain to dust. You dont understand just how much stronger a shinigami is when they use both hands on a single sword because it means both of their vents are pumping that sword with SP

  • @SanjayKumar-rh3ex
    @SanjayKumar-rh3ex Před 2 lety +1

    Nice facts bro keep it up