Why Vader VS Obito Isn't Close
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After Death Battles horrid take on Vader Vs Obito, me and Crisis have decided to come together and give the most accurate representation of what would go down if these two were to throw hands. Not only should you go over to Crisis’s channel and check him out, but go look at the most recent livestream he did, where he and I both debunk the death battle. Death Battle insists that Legends and canon Star Wars are equal, which is just blatantly false; we’ll just be sticking with Star Wars Legends as they have and continue to lean on it for their scaling. Star Wars is an American epic space opera multimedia franchise created by George Lucas, which began with the eponymous 1977 film and quickly became a worldwide pop culture phenomenon. The franchise has been expanded into various films and other media, including television series, video games, novels, comic books, theme park attractions, and themed areas, comprising an all-encompassing fictional universe. Star Wars is one of the highest-grossing media franchises of all time. The original 1977 film, retroactively subtitled Episode IV: A New Hope, was followed by the sequels Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (1983), forming the original Star Wars trilogy. Lucas later returned to the series to direct a prequel trilogy, consisting of Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999), Episode II: Attack of the Clones (2002), and Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (2005). In 2012, Lucas sold his production company to Disney, relinquishing his ownership of the franchise. This led to a sequel trilogy, consisting of Episode VII: The Force Awakens, Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (2017), and Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (2019). All nine films, collectively referred to as the "Skywalker Saga", were nominated for Academy Awards, with wins going to the first two releases. Together with the theatrical live action "anthology" films Rogue One and Solo, the combined box office revenue of the films equated to over, making Star Wars the third-highest-grossing film franchise of all time. Naruto[a] is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto. It tells the story of Naruto Uzumaki, a young ninja who seeks recognition from his peers and dreams of becoming the Hokage, the leader of his village. The story is told in two parts-the first set in Naruto's pre-teen years, and the second in his teens. The series is based on two one-shot manga by Kishimoto: Karakuri , which earned Kishimoto an honorable mention in Shueisha's monthly Hop Step Award the following year, and Naruto (1997). Naruto was serialized in Shueisha's shōnen manga magazine Weekly Shōnen Jump from 1999 to 2014, with its chapters collected in 72 tankōbon volumes. ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
#starwars #naruto #manga - Zábava
Vader finna show Obito who his father is 💀🙏
Goat 🐐 toaster 🔥
Ayo
And it’s me 😫
Pls do why Baki vs Ohma isn’t close
@@ning9707honestly I'm more of a Kangen fan but everybody knows Baki woodwind it's not even a competition
I have to say DB had a missed opportunity to open the battle with Darth Vader just obliterating Academy students. Just doing that would had made the fight so much better.
The video starts with academy Konohamaru being cut in half lmao
yes Lol
Cringe
Its Based Not Cringe Vader Negs The Verse.
Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army In One Comic And Once Hold A Planetary Ocean In The Other Canon Comic And Has Resistanse To Any Form Of Mind Control And Legends Vader Is More Powerfull And Both Are Intergalactical War Veterans With MTFL + Reaction And Speed@@AnythingLounge
Wait a minute... a random sith can put infinity in ones brain???
Does that mean if Gojo used infinity on vader... technically vader can counter it?
No. But the Infinite Void wouldn’t mind fuck vader
What does that mean? To put infinity in someones head?
@ERROR-qh3zq Infinity is infinite, finite meaning having an end. Infinity has no end. There is no stopping point. Putting Infinity into something is a paradox, Infinity cannot be contained as it is beyond being contained. I really don't know what it would do in reality but probably break the fuck out of your brain maybe literally and you witness consciousness or some different plane of existence who knows man.
@@ERROR-qh3zqIt's a dead argument. These people are implying that simply because something was used once in 25,000 years of the SW timeline by a Sith Vader can use It in battle, completly ignoring how the character actually fights. Vader doesn't use these mind hacks or Sith magics, he is a physical fighter. He uses doom moch (fancy word for DARK SIDE TRASH TALK), but that's It. Both characters are strong enough mentally to survive each other's mind hacks, so the resonable way out would be to eliminate that factor as a whole. This video isn't the greatest, hope someone in the Naruto community debunks It.
Vader is erasing this man from existence
People really underestimate the Cosmology of STARS WARS just because of how simple the verse is.
Yeah, also anime stans believe anything character who is Not anime character is week
@@Westley6578 Anime Fans think that Anime Characters are weak?
@@Zadoksta sorry misspelling I’ll fix it
@@Westley6578 My problem Is not that a Sith can defeat Obito, my problem is that THIS SITH can't defeat Obito. If you tell me that Palpatine, AKA Darth Sidious, the guy who learned to BEND SPACE AND TIME woth the Force can break through Kamui I wouldn't complain, my issue is that they picked up a guy who cannot do that and them forced a victory by MASSIVELY overestimating his skillset and capabilities, and even scalling him to feats that he couldn't possibly do, like the Supernova stuff you can do with Sith Magic. Many Star Wars characters, like the previously mentioned Palpatine, Darth Krayt, Abeloth (a literal GODESS of the Force) and even Grandmaster Luke Skywalker could defeat Obito, but Darth Vader doesn't have the hacks necessary to do so.
Don't even have to scale Darth Vader to the Ancient Sith for a victory, he can win with just the films.
1. In ANH Vader says the Death Star is fodder compared to Force users.
2. Right after ROTS Vader is stated stronger than he was as Anakin who at his peak as a Jedi defeated Count Dooku who is confirmed to have universal power.
When Vader caught the tailed beast bomb and squeezed it down. That should have been it. There should have been no way that Vader lost, and the Vader victory would have been way cooler because of how much of a demon Vader is. Maybe not a demon because Vader is not as low as that, Vader is the Devil himself.
While he does that, which takes a considerable level of concentration and time, Juubito is already behind him cutting him in half with the Sword of Nunoboko. This video ignores all of the small details behind the skills mentioned, you don't simply snap people out of existance with the force, specially someone that spents more time phasing out of existance like Obito, or being a flying WMD like his Juubito form. If this video was correct, that Palpatine shouldn't worry about reincarnation in his clone bodies, since he could easily survive the explosion of the Death Star and the vaccum of spcae considering he scales above Vader.
@@bigbangrafa8435He isn’t behind him cutting him in half dude
@@bigbangrafa8435It doesn’t take a level of concentration Dude
Palpatine is the devil Vader is more like Death
@@bigbangrafa8435 it really doesnt take that much concentration, not for vader. sit down narutard.
Death Battle really dipped on this episode.
Another thing I'd add is that Senjutsu-the manipulation of natural life energy-is able to affect Truth Seeking Orbs despite its stated resistance to all Ninjutsu. What is the Force if not the manipulation of the essence of life, since it is an energy field created by living things and helps bind the universe together? As such, Vader using the Force to counteract Obito using them against him should have been entirely feasible.
The destructive force would still be there though
Its not like senjutsu (life energy) alone erases the truth seeker orb
Naruto kicked one with with senjutsu in him
And its was a solid object that didn't shatter
So they are fine weapons
That could erase anything besides senjutsu
@@ItachiUchiha_1724It would never be there
@@ItachiUchiha_1724All false and it wouldn’t erase anything
@@ItachiUchiha_1724Nope it does erase the truth seeker orb
@@PowerZtone-yo3ne It doesn't if it would, Sasuke and Naruto SO6P wouldn't be touched by TSO, they were.
Vader stabbed Obito in the lungs with his light saber, the moment Obito spit blood. He should have died right then and there.
In the original work, Obito has a Hashirama cell in his body that can regenerate when his body is destroyed. In addition, Kakashi destroyed his heart when he dueled with him, but that was just Obito's plan to break away from Madara's control and control the Ten-Tails in the past, so He could have survived even without the heart condition, which is why Vader didn't kill him
@graythewolf2771 Obito didn't cough up blood when he was pierced in the heart. Everytime Obito was damaged he never spit out blood, him spitting out blood would be his death.
@@valzicplayz3845maybe he was dead but he will not fast
@@valzicplayz3845By the way, it is also true that Vader will not regenerate
@@graythewolf2771 force heal exist :P
Vader would have torn Obito limb from limb
And Obito would regenerate each and every time.
@@oliverstrizak9958 Vader would have just made him brain dead
@@thejokerz9751 How? Obito regenerated half of his brain when he got obliterated by his own TSO.
@@oliverstrizak9958Higher AP curbstomps regen/dura
@@Mo1st_Cr1t1KaL Again, how? A bullet has higher AP than Deapool's durability for example, yet he still regenerates each and every time. It wouldn't be any different for Obito.
If Vader had a reliable way of ripping out the Juubi from Obito than I'd give Vader the win. As it stands, he doesn't. He also doesn't have an answer to any of Obito's win conditions. Those being Kamui, Infinite Tsukuyomi and the human path.
Let's be real, correct or not, the episode was just pandering to salty fans after Obi-wan beat Kakashi. Basic logic would say that if you have Obi-wan beat Kakashi, Vader should beat Obito. How did they not notice that?
Spoken like a person who doesn’t understand Naruto. This logic is so wrong
@@zachspoolSo you're saying ten tails obito scales above dms Kakashi?
@@thelonecyborg3555 Yes….like it’s not even close.
@@zachspool obito
@@thelonecyborg3555bruh kaguya was weakened after tanking everything anyway most of the abilities of dms kakashi will be negated he can bfr obito but obito can become better jinchuriki and like madara tp himself and obito just can outlast him he has tso and regen so imo even if he gets blitzed he still should outlast kakashi
Not to mention, it wasn’t like Obito could just summon the 10 tails and then just suddenly pull out the god tree. That’s not something you can just suddenly do that took time. And if Obi-Wan defeated Kashi, then Darth Vader would definitely beat obito.
Obito is technically stronger than Kakashi.
You're ignorant, Obito held back against kakashi to remove the seal to become the ten tails host.
Even Obi - Wan Has Partly MTFL + Reaction And Also Intergalactic War Veteran Vader Who Is More Powerfull Then Obi - Wan Kenobi Is Enough For Verse.
Obito's original purpose was to be able to control the Ten-Tails on his own. How could he not be able to use it after letting Kakashi destroy his heart?
Legends Vader also has the Kaiburr crystal for a bit, which canonically amps EVERYTHING (including EMOTIONS, mind you) by 10x.
In what novel/comic does that happen?
I Will Correct The Author Of The Comment:
According To The Lore Of The Star Wars Verse Cyber Crystall In The Lightsaber In Canon And In Legends Canon Is Not Only Equal To A Netron Star, But Also Equal In PowerTo The Force Power Of The Owner Of This Lightsaber.
AND ACCORDING TO THAT LEGENDS DARTH VADER LITERALLY HAS 5 + DIMENSIONAL + NEUTRON STAR LEVEL ATTACK POTENCY JUST BY HITTING YOU WITHTHE LIGHTSABER.u@@and8091
Deathbattle taking constant Ls as usual 😭
Lol
Their fight animation is still lit
Yea they literally said that King Mickey beats Yoda but I call that bullshit
@@Darth_AutisticusKing Mickey DOES beat Yoda cope.
@@raihothexiv15th37 how strong is king, Mickey
Madara - spends 50+ years manipulating little boys to manipulate other little boys to create an organization to steal the giant foxes to create a more powerful giant fox and to reincarnate him to absorb the power of the giant foxes and put the entire world in an illusion
Obito - pops that shit outta nowhere
between the FIVE FUCKING NARUTO DEATH BATTLES THAT THEYVE DONE, I can confidently say they havent learned a single thing about the show
Are u a anime domain fan ?
@@Narcissistic_pyschoticyeah, but he wanks naruto and downplays bleach a lot
@@ningningfish06 HE IS pretty much a BLEACH HATER 😂 like Idk what bleach did to him lol
Dummy they were always going to use juubito for the scaling. they just wanted to make the fight more interesting and have him fight in base at the start. Use your brain pretty sure you have one.
alot of the times death battle is just making characters they prefer win, look at the Green Arrow vs Hawkeye video for example they make Green Arrow lose and their excuse is that Hawkeye has stronger arrows... despite Green Arrow literally being able to just dodge the arrow, not to mention Green Arrow outclasses Hawkeye in every single other category like hand2hand combat, agility, shoots arrows faster and has less drawback weight which gives him the advantage and their excuse for him losing is stronger arrows...
Great video
Bro how they gonna kill him with some cheap illusion trick? Sure he regrets and heavily blames Padme’s death. But the DB writers obv never read any of the comics where time and time again he overpowers illusions of padme and his dead friends and beats the breaks off the enemy. Two cheap tricks like that wouldn’t phase him to kill him like that.
The first illusion, sure. Heck you could even say that's why it didn't do more than throw Vader off for half a second.
But Vader's not overpowering Infinite Tsukuyomi nearly so easily. Genjutsu, illusions of all variety, are commonly used in the Naruto-verse, which means counters are also commonly used. Pretty sure any half-decent ninja has a way out of at least a basic illusion. And Infinite Tsukuyomi still catches all of them. It is no cheep trick.
Even if we assume Vader could still overpower the Infinite Tsukuyomi while inside it (which I don't remember ever being shown to be possible, but hey, in the Force all things are possible), I'd be willing to believe he couldn't do it fast enough to dodge the sword.
...Which now that you mention it, kind of retroactively justifies why Obito dealt a killing blow instead of just leaving Vader in the illusion. If it _could_ contain him, then Obito would've wanted Vader to live out his days happily in the illusion; but if overpowering the Infinite Tsukuyomi is on the table then Vader's gotta die before that happens.
(Not that Obito should know that, but I believe one of the rules of DB is that one combatant shouldn't win because of the other's unwillingness to kill them, so I can let that slide.)
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgYeau no. He’s overpowering infinite tsukuyomi like it or not
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgcounters aren’t commonly used and Infinite Tsukuyomi wouldn’t catch Vader out and it is a cheap trick
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgNope he would do it fast enough to dodge the sword dude
@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vgIt doesn’t justify obito winning because Vader would factually win by escaping and crushing Obito’s neck like then and there.
I think the episode is good. But they got the winner wrong.
Then u not been being attention bro.
@@daymenpollet4202he’s saying the death battle episode was good but Vader should have won
@@aidaniscreative636 I agree, Vader's powers are immense and star wars characters in general are getting underestimated. Just look at their ''multiple times faster than light'' reactions. This might be because people know the movies but don't read any books or comics which represent the characters WAY stronger than they look in the movies or tv shows
You can’t really use power amps in Naruto to directly multiply a characters speed because they’re not shown to work like that. Kiba for example was reacting the exact same to CM2 Sakon as he was base Sakon. Deidara who thought base Sasuke was really fast reacted to a chidori from CM2 Sasuke. MFTL+ isn’t really something that exists in the Shippuden manga. Also Juubito cannot use Kamui. Vader bullies.
All false
@@Shin-71No they don’t
It is literally explained in both manga and databooks that chakra = physical stats. So every chakra amp is a physical stats amp. The characters simply get stronger as they fight.
Naruto characters had already been FTL since part one, since they were kids. Vader doesn't stand a chance, we can even scale KID OBITO at universal+ via creating the kamui dimension (which is a space-time, and is also stated that he created it. Creating a literal space-time scales to uni+ according to the tiering system. He created it with chakra, which scales to physical stats like I said before, so yeah.). Hell, we don't even need chakra multipliers to scale Narutoverse to MFTL, I can easily show you some calculated feats that already get them at this speed.
@@theoneaboveall3884Bruh…this wank is even worse than the SW wank. Juubito is maybe moon-level and around light speed which is more than enough ti beat every Sith and Jedi alone using movie canon lmao
@@Shin-71If I remember correctly, her dimensions were debunked, giving her a scale that goes from Large Planetary to Large Star Level thanks to the presence of a Sun on them.
Death Battle calcing Bijuu bombs at Large Planet might be a worst calc OAT contender
Death battles calcs are almost always impressively bad
Aside from the bomb not actually destroying the planet itself, what makes the calc incorrect?
@@michaeldorsey9231 The fact that the same calcs done over and over again consistently result in Island to country level
@@hobbyhorse5848they scale the ten tails Biju bomb which while being made was compared to a small planet
Almost as bad as thinking a single Star Wars character is anywhere near lightspeed.
they also took away stuff from Vader that he can do without any form of assistance or prep time that yall didnt even bring up
Finally the proper vs battle video
Big W bro I just made an edit abt this myself (ik its kinda late for the db lmao but i just wanted to do it)
Finally, another W vid and take from Tylearned
Thank you
This video sucks all those comics and feats are non canon
Even the marvel ones Dave filloni himself said the only true canon is what makes it on TV and that's backed up by the multiple retcons
I Think Their Battle Animation Is Strong 7/10, But Death Battle Forgot That Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.
all of those feats and stuff he pulled WAS canon till disney took over and retconned all of george lucas’s work since the legends continuity is where vader is strongest and we’re putting the strongest of each version of the character against eachother it makes sense using legends
As a huge fan of both
I have Canon Vader at FTL With continental+ scaling, and WA Obito at Relativistic, continental at the most
Vader in no way should have been getting pressed by WM Obito Imo, Juubito stands much more of a chance, The part where Vader was blocking fucking Truth seeker orbs with his lightsaber was crazy 💀, if he actually tried to physically block those he’d die horribly
Vader should still be planetary since apparently 10,000 Jedi together destroyed comet Kinro which was so large and fast it was just bulldozing through planets. And apparently current canon still has Star level feats from Sidious who Vader is…somewhat in the same ballpark of even if he’s clearly inferior.
@@hobbyhorse5848 There are definitely some arguments, but personally I’d probably have him around Continental to Multi Continental, based on a specific statement
Pretty fair for both characters
@@Mrgraduation Tutaminis and mind hax still bullies Juubito. Especially since the video is using Legends. Vader would show him a vision of Rin and then it’s over.
@@Mrgraduationwhat statement
Vader finna show him that black energy💀
Could someone tell me the name of the comic, in which naga sadow destroys those stars?
They are probably just Naruto fanboys
The funny thing is about death battle is when the kakashi vs obi-wan the didn't let kakshi have dms (which doesn't make a difference cause obi-wan would still win) but let obito have 6 paths ten tails and inf tsyukuyomi which took a long ahh process to do but couldn't let kakashi have one eye which is crazy
It’s didn’t take him long to do. He already did all his prep. That’s like saying Goku can’t have God Ki because it took him a long process to get.
I agree with them on that. The Ten tails is a big part of Obito’s character while Kakashi only have DMS for *one* episode.
@@zachspoolIt DID take him long to do
@@DHworldwide185No it isn’t part of his character
@@zachspoolNope that’s a false comparison
Let’s gooo Tylearned!!!
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Couldnt vader break out of genjutsu because of how much in tuned with the force he is
Vader is immuned to genjutsu he can just reverse it into youre mind with the force And Amp that by insane feeling Of Pain Disoerient you by that and sclise you in half
@@user-dd7hv2sx5b that's what I was thinking
@@user-dd7hv2sx5bThe illusion that Obito cast is a large-scale forced illusion, which is similar to the concept of brainwashing. Vader's illusion-breaking situations are all in a conscious state. Vader has never encountered this type of illusion (not to mention that Vader star war characters have never encountered this type).
I mostly just watch the movies and animated shows so this scaling for darth vader seems pretty out there and i assume everything star wars is canon but because of that some things feel contradictory like if vader could casually destroy planets why did he need the death star,and if everyone is casually light speed why do they get clipped by force lightning
Read comics and novels you cannot have a say as you watched movies and shows only
Vader in the movies does say the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. For the most part, the death star is more so a symbol of terror. It instantly crushes rebellions because it's something that can wipe out a planet in milliseconds. Powerful force users, like say Darth nihilus who absorbs planets, it takes them a while to do. For someone like Vader, who while still strong in the force, is like slightly below Luke in force power cos of lost midchlorians, it would take a great deal of effort to do it, whereas with the death star it is quick and efficient and you could wipe out like 10 planets in a row in a couple of minutes. Overall though if a really OD force user really locked in, they could do some insane stuff. Also for force lightning, it's just like you said, it's different from normal lightning, it just has a similar appearance and the electrocution properties, but it is definitely much faster. Cos say Yoda for instance, who we see in the movies and shows easily dodge light beams and has pre cognition struggles to react to Palpatine force lightning. I think who fires it matters asw cos he had no trouble reacting to count dooku and his force lightning. While I get your reservations, if you are just going off the movies, you can just see little insane feats here and there that you don't really think about. It's why the jedi code is so strict, they're legitimately invincible wizards with swords of that generate heat comparable to the sun lmao. Remember in like empire strikes back, Vader chokes someone who is like miles away. It's crazy
Tbf Legends and current canon are very different interpretations of SW characters when it comes to their power level.
To explain a bit with star wars characters beoing light speed they are indeed light speed and this is going off of legends because fuck that disney star wars crap. but since Lucas they have always been lightspeed well not exactly you see the force does a lot to help they can amp themselves with the force and they also have precognition due to the force that is where the lightspeed kicks in because the blasters that droids and clones use are indeed lightspeed. they use the force and precog to evade them. But can also amp themselves too even in the movies they do it.
@@Naglfar94 I remember losing my mind when I saw them use force speed in The Phantom Menace.
I must say, one of you guy's voice is louder than the others but yeah and that's not even talking about Vader's most powerful version
I think the easiest and safest way for Vader to win this fight would be using the force to directly crush the Rinnegan of Obito.
Obito cant absorb or avoid organ crushing attacks (unless he is using Kamui at that same moment) and without the Rinnegan, Obito wouldnt be able to extract the soul out of Vader, summon the ten tails or becoming Juubito. Vader precognition should allow him to dodge Kamui and counter the Truth Seeking Orbs.
The main problem that I see is that Vader physical body is more vulnerable than Juubito´s due to the insane regeneration abilities of the jinchuriki so if Juubito managed to inflict a damage to his breathing system or robotic parts, Vader fighting capabilities would deteriorate. In that state it would be an attrition battle where Vader would simply lack the means to overwhelm the healing factor of Obito.
He isn’t more vulnerable
Vader’s abilities wouldn’t deteriorate and he wouldn’t lack the means of taking down Obito
Can u do why Baki vs Ohma isn’t close
Bro this guy always spits fax dude is really underrated
Bro who really thought Obito or anyone from Naruto could beat Vader
They do legends not canon so using canon Obito vs non canon Vader is star wars fanboyism
@@eddieboston6540 All the Star Wars material they used is from before the Disney buy out, or prior to 2014. It's literally just a different timeline, that's it. They used LucasFilm Limited's version of Star Wars not Disney's version of Star War's. It's the original Star Wars Story, so I have no clue how thats "fanboyism". Also Ty and Crisis agreed to use Expanded Universe content, because that was what DeathBattle's used to scale Vader's AP/Dura. Cope
@@eddieboston6540 yes he does lol, in Canon is literally stated that just palpatine can rearrange star systems casually and Vader scales to him
People in this community are insane, you guys are so lost in "CALC STACKING" that you actually forgot how a fight works. It doesn't matter how many universes MUI Goku can destroy, he is not doing so every single time he fights, and the same applies here. Also, multiple skills refered in this video are only attributed to him by RPG guides and do not represent how he fights, so It's absurd to account that in the overall battle.
Another thing that truly frustrated me about this video is how these guys are simply assuming that Vader can do things when he was actually confirmed to be incapable of. For example, they scale Vader to the old Sith of the First Empire (Sadow, Vitiate, Ragnos, etc.), which in their head means that he is also capable of doing Supernovas and other crazy stuff. The problem? VADER DON'T USE SITH MAGIC AT ALL. At the time of the Empire most of said knowlege was lost, and what was left never was teached to Vader because Palpatine saw him as a broken man after Mustafar and did not believed him to be a worthy apprentice (that's why he wanted Luke to kill him in Ep. 6). Also, even trained Sith Sorcerers needed elaborated rituals involving relics, other initiates and most of all TIME to be set-up. Sadow cannot simply say "Oh, a shinobi, SUPERNOVA!" and instantly bring up such power.
Their "research" was so bad that they actually said that Vader is capable os using his own version of Force Lightining. If you're just a Naruto fan and only has a superficial (movies only) knowledge of Star Wars you would probably just accept that as truth, BUT IT IS NOT. What they are talking about here is a rare gift known as Kinetite, which is defined by wookiepedia as:
_"Kinetite was a variation on the Force lightning ability. It involved molding "Force energized lightning" into a sphere of restrained kinetic energy which could be thrown at an enemy. Instead of burning or electrocuting its target like most forms of Force lightning, it acted as a solid projectile."_
The problem? Vader used this only once, and just because he was being amped by a powerful artifact, the Kybur Crystal, and without said amp he cannot use said ability, and no other direct energy manipulation other than Tautominus (basically a super nerfed version of the Preta Path of Pain, the user can hold and deflect energy with their hands, like what he did to Han Solo's blaster shots in Cloud City). Again, in the SAME WOOKIEPEDIA PAGE AS BEFORE:
_"However, The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader offers a far different explanation, stating that it was Vader's close proximity to the Kaiburr crystal which allowed him to summon "Force energized lightning." The Jedi Path combines these two explanations by stating that Kinetite is a Force power that is created by generating a variation of Force lightning that acted as a kinetically empowered projectile. It is also confirmed that Vader used this power on Mimban, as Luke makes a footnote next to its description in The Jedi Path that Vader used it against him during their duel. What the effect the Kaiburr crystal had on its creation is not known"_
It's the type of stuff you don't bring to a debate because is, well, debatable. Once more, It feels that these guys are expecting people who knows a lot of Naruto but very little of Star Wars. Sadly to both, Star Wars has been my guilty pleasure for a while, specially after how bad of a shot It got at the hands of Disney. Anyway, the offenses don't limit themselves to the Star Wars universe. For example, they stated that Truth-Seeking orbs wouldn't work because the Force is "Spiritual Energy". Well, ALL CHAKRA ALSO HAS SPIRITUAL ENERGY, so I don't see the point. Maybe they were trying to equate Senjutsu with the Force, but even then what we see during the 4th Great Shinobi War with both Juubito and Six-Paths Madara is that Sage Mode can HELP YOU stand against the orbs but It is not a kyrptonite, Naruto and Sasuke could barely scratch them even whith both amped by Senjutsu.
I cannot also understand their Kamui argument. They imply that Vader would be so fast that Obito wouldn't be able to use Kamui to defend himself, which is crazy since he did that against Minato who, you know, TELEPORTS. Sith and Jedi can react to stuff and move faster than light, but that's still bellow INSTANTANEOUS, which is basically what Minato does woth FTG. That basically stablishes that 14 years-old Obito, who is inferior to his Rinnegan and Juubito forms, needs someone with at least teleportation to simply hit him once.
Oh, and let's not forget, OBITO IS A TANK. The same way Vader is unkillable in Star Wars, Obito is the hardest person to kill in the verse. He can survive an insane amount of time without multiple vital organs in base, while Vader needs to be enraged in legendary levels to acomplish something as simple as breathing without his suit (like when some fools tried to bury him alive, that was awesome btw). And even after you damage him, his regeneration is almost unmatched in base and godlike in Six-Paths.
In conclusion, I love Darth Vader to death, but the result here is clear. Vader is a beast, but Obito would have defeated the main character of the verse plus an army with everyone else. The only reason he lost was because Kakashi had his other eye and could counter Kamui, othewise the new anime would be "OBITO - Naruto's Infinite Dream" instead of Boruto.
@@MrCraftyScalesin Star Wars Legends is not canon shut up
Legends Vader > Juubito > WM Obito with 6 Jinchuuriki >> White Mask Obito > Canon Vader > Orange Mask Obito
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Canon Vader is at minimum large planety level, he's stronger than white mask Obito for sure. Unless when you say canon Vader you only mean the movies.
Cannon vader>literally any Naruto character
@@GeneFOX70Nope
Canon Vader destroys Juubito
BRO THEY SAID FULL POWER RAVEN SCALES TO WHITE PHEONIX JEAN GREY IM DONE LMFAO
No they didn’t.
@@raihothexiv15th37 they did legit watch it 💀
@@RandomComicEnjoyer I did and they didn’t.
@@raihothexiv15th37 they did
@@RandomComicEnjoyer Again, no they didn’t. They scaled the two separately from each other. There’s no such thing as scaling two characters you’re matching up against each other to each other.
I disagree with TSB not being valid on Vader's physical body but everything else is legit 👍
Nope it isn’t valid on Vader’s body
@@firestriker3580What a hater
Yea the problem is legends force users are just too strong
Do you have a link to the love stream you mentioned in the beginning i can't seem to find it
Obito and tobirama heavily stated that only so6p or sage mode users can counter or damage jubbito. How is vader winning?
Death battle so cringe 🤦
True.
The only thing disagree with is the speed scaling for obito. It seems like you are massively wanking the speed feats and scaling for the naruto verse on the whole. at best I think they get to ftl+
The high tiers are FTL comfortably, but lots and lots if people love to scale KCM 1 Naruto to FTL which is huge wank In my opinion
@@Mrgraduationmultiple feats put them at mftl+
@@Mrgraduationnot entirely, although the databooks place KCM Naruto comfortably at FTL with the Raikage feat
@@shirothr5384 Not really, people over exaggerate the feat, he dodges a punch by the Raikage who is stated to move at a speed “near” “almost” no matter what translation you use the Raikage is never stated to be LS, He’s Relativistic but not Lightspeed, Naruto dodged the punch its not implied by anyone there that Naruto blitzed him
Plus it wouldn’t be consistent at all for Early Kcm 1 Naruto to be FTL!! When Six paths Naruto could barely dodge lightspeed attacks
@@Mrgraduation consistency goes out the window the moment Naruto is also getting also bitched by the Reanimated Tailed Beasts when the two tails got destroyed by Kakazu and Hidan.
There's always going to be inconsistency. Like how Vader is portrayed as only throwing boxes at Luke when in the comics he could move entire planets.
I didn’t understand why they gave Obito the tree in the fight. He needed a crap ton of prep to get it. That’s the equivalent of giving Dr Doom the Beyonder’s power just because he got them.
It's the equivalent of giving Thanos the infinity gauntlet or Sonic the chaos emeralds since it's a huge part of his story which is what his entire plot in the series revolves around achieving its power
The only thing that stopped white mask Obito from summoning the ten tails is that he didn't have Kurama's chakra and DB removed that restriction
@@IsexuallyIdentifyAsAnAttackHel
Thanos was given the gauntlet because he had it in the MCU and the casual viewer would wonder why he wasn't given the gauntlet, and Darkseid kicks his shit in even more without it. Sonic literally collects the chaos emeralds every game, literally in every mainline game he goes Super Sonic at least once. I think Obito should get the 10 Tails for the reasons you suggested but the examples you use were literally the definition of a false equivalence, a better example would be comparing it to not giving Mario and Sonic the power-ups, or dragonborn and chosen undead just being been LV 1 with no items.
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DB gives Sonic chaos emeralds to get powerups -> people have no problem
DB gives Thanos infinity stones to reach maximum potential -> people have no problem
DB gives Obito ten tails to get a powerup -> people have a problem
All of these require prep time to achieve no matter how you look at it, Sonic's case is a game mechanic he needs to go through which would last for seconds/minutes/ hours of gameplay it depends. Thanos took thousands, if not millions of years to collect all stones. Obito took around 20 years to awaken ten tails
I don't know how in God's green earth you find this a false equivalence
Heck in Madara vs Aizen Bleach fans were stomping their feet talking about how the Hogyoku makes Aizen immortal, a device that took hundreds of years of manipulating and to achieve. But when it comes to the ten tails people are screaming at the top of their lungs... sounds like BS to me
Also your points about giving Thanos the gauntlet because of casual MCU viewers doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. They used comic book Thanos and stuck with hin for those very reasons
@@IsexuallyIdentifyAsAnAttackHel
Uh… I apologize if I caught you in a bad mood but I never said Obito shouldn't get the ten tails, I just disagreed with the examples you used, and yeah, false equivalency wasn't the right word.
Thanos getting the gauntlet 100% falls under the same category of the Ten Tails, I would have to be ignorant to say otherwise. They did use comic Thanos but his analysis was full of MCU references that casual audiences would get. it even bleeds into Darkseid's analysis which has a Drax joke for literally no reason other than MCU Drax is popular. Thanos having the gauntlet was 100% because casuals think it's his weapon exclusively, and they're probably right considering even before the MCU all versions of Thanos have probably had The Gauntlet at least once, with the exception of the Silver Surfer cartoon.
Sonic collects the chaos emeralds once every game and the canonical ending of every game has him use the chaos emeralds to go super, there's not a single mainline game I can think of where Super Sonic doesn't appear once, even Sonic forces had Super Sonic as DLC.
From a casual perspective every version of Thanos you can think of has had the gauntlet, and Sonic might as well have the chaos emeralds all the time. Obito on the other hand to the casual viewer had to use prep to even get the ten tails, and ultimately he had the ten tails extracted from him.
I'm going to say again that I don't think Obito shouldn't have gotten the ten tails, they're so important to Obito as a character and his story that it would be like putting him against Anakin during the clone wars because he needed to get cut in half and left for dead on mustafar to get the iconic suit, I just had an issue with the examples you gave.
@@nicolewhite3157 what would be better comparisons on your opinion
i knew this felt off when they listed a shit ton of things for obito but not for vader
Even Canon Vader Was Killing Planetary Army Alone so Naruto Verse Is Not Even Close Sorry.
Why Tylearned vs Death Battle isn't close
He no better he using non canon for Vader which isn't fair since his video is in response to death battle try to equate canon and non canon but he uses non canon because Obito stomps canon Vader or he use canon.
@@eddieboston6540 yeah cry about it obito loses sorry you have to select a much weaker lowballed Vader just to give him a chance at winning
@@eddieboston6540As I said, it's up for either opinion or preference to use a version of Vader for a vs match.
In the end he followed Death Battle's claim of using the characters at their best, which is the Old Canon or Legends continuity as the New Canon is still dropping material from time to time and it's overall a weaker version.
@@Westley6578This kind of shows my main issue with the episode, the inconsistencies and use of a composite.
If it was just Canon and Vader lost, I'm sure that nowhere near as many people would've minded the result, the issue comes from the mention of Mortis and Legends as a whole, who give Vader a massive power boost and bring inconsistencies with the scaling.
Complaining for the use of Legends for the fight doesn't really make sense as the "using the characters at their strongest" logic is applied here.
@@redmartin6237 they used legends for previous battles
I did not watch vader vs obito at all on db, but I know they had obito win, which doesn't make sense to me? As they previously had Kenobi absolutely destroy Kakashi, who is relative to obito? And vader > Kenobi
What lost me in the original fight is Vader being tricked by the Infinite Tsukuyomi at the end. The guy's entire power is sustained through his hate about himself for what he has done and everyone else for letting him do it. He is not delusional and doesn't wish for things to go back as they were. Vader accepts what he has done and he would have snapped out of Tsukuyomi simply by utter rage towards Obito who just dared trying AGAIN to trick him by using Padme.
Bro do a contents between Thorfinn, Mikey or Baki
Who?
I think it's safe to say vader wins but it's more of which vader stomps harder. If it's legends Vader then it's without question he wins. In terms of sith he's in the conservation for top six or seven alongside the likes of Vitiate,Palpatine,Exar kun,Darth Cadeus,and Darth Kraty.
If it's canon then it's not as huge of a gap with canon having less impressive feats then legends in general and overall less abilities to work with. Canon vader would still be faster and more skilled but I can see someone making a argument over canon Obito if they played their cards right.
So basically legend vader it's a stomp while canon vader is more of a debate depending on your arguments for obito.
Not light speed is rare in canon and Vader is ftl at best
Vader is nowhere near FTL, since blasters are DEFINITELY not light speed. He's hypersonic max.
@@eddieboston6540Nope Vader is MFTL+ and Light speed in canon isn’t rare
@@stephenjenkins7971Vader IS everywhere FTL and those blasters ARE in light speed. They are NOT hypersonic. Vader is MFTL+ and that’s a fact
@@firestriker3580 Blasters are just superheated gas. If they were all lightspeed, then every single character in SW is also lightspeed now. Including regular humans. That's absurd.
I agree with you on death battle them saying both characters use everything in there arsenal was lie feel like they picking favorites didn't do there homework on vader and force history books, vader was just giving losing head in death battle someone make really fight never mind vader wins lol
Where can we find that livestream
When the death battle episode came out i was like what?
"think about it like a maxed out ki stat on dragon ball xenoverse" 🤓
Like when I beat you every time and break that stamina bar🕺
@@Tylearned you know we ain’t played xenoverse before for good reason 💀
@@Tylearned maybe you got savage maybe you got karnage maybe you even got zasso but if you ever faced me it’d be a ‘Why Ascended VS Tylearn isn’t close’
Scaling aside how was the battle 1-10? Mines 9/10
Easily one of their best battle animations. The ending combo was siiiiiiick.
I Think Their Battle Animation Is Strong 7/10, But Death Battle Forgot That Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.
Can do what if again
I feel like the whole Incinerate debate only applies to people weaker then Vader as if your strong enough you can avoid it
No it doesn’t apply to people weaker than Vader
If you have the force and are some what relative to darth vaders power you can resist it but if you don’t have the force you probably couldn’t resist it because non force users can’t detect the force
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they aint beating darkseid though
Real!
@@Tylearnedyo speaking of hating on death battle Frieza vs Megatron seemed pretty wrong so what do u think bout that
Debunk aizen vs madara
It's right azien ain't that strong
@@eddieboston6540 fym??? Im talking abt the fact that madara had outside help and use abilities that took hella time and prep. Foh🖕
@@eddieboston6540 they got the power scaling nearly right in that video, but Madrara is not breaking out of Aizen allusion
This debate is cringe. Just enjoy the two different fictional universes seperately. Like enjoy StarWars as StarWars and enjoy Naruto as Naruto.
The best obito can be scaled to is Moon Level. The best Vader can be scaled to is *Star Level.*
Easiest W in Vader's career. Especially when you take into account Obito's AP/Dura, and Speed is EU PT Padawan Level. The only category Obito would have above a EU PT Padawan is Hax.
Vader doesn't teleport. He is faster than the eye can perceive, but he Isn't capable of instantaneous travel. Obito's Kamui was on pair with Minato's FTG, which is actually teleportation. Minato wins at the end, but again, he can teleport and Vader can't. I don't see how you can possibly say that Vader can beat kamui without any Force power able to bend space and time, like Force Storm or arguably Shatterpoint. So yes, Vader has more Hax, but his single most powerful Hax scales above Vader's entire skillset and gives Obito the W. Bring Palpatine or Krayt to the fight and that's a whole other story, but Vader cannot win this duel at all.
@@bigbangrafa8435 According to canon and legends, Vader is the second most powerful sith lord of all time, and Palpatine the strongest. This means that no matter what feats other sith show, Vader is still stronger than them or at the very least is their equal.
Vader has precognition and the ability to react and think faster than hyperspace, this is MUCH faster than anything Obito has shown. Vader is also capable of destroying planets, and has enslaved a creature capable of doing so as well with the force alone. So we KNOW for a fact that Vader is at minimum large planet level, and he was able to tank hits from this creature as well, meaning his durability should be comprable.
This makes sense as Palpatine would easily be solar system + level, and he has used the force to control beings who are multiple solar-system - galaxy level.
Vader has the clear speed, strength, and durability feats.
Vader's precognition has also be stated by several people, including Palpatine, to be better than.... you guessed it, Palpatine's.
Obito can't even use Infinite Tuskiyomi, although Vader has broken out of an illusion cast by The Force (It was meant to show him his purpose, which was to kill Palpatine, but Vader broke free of it, and knew it was an illusion from the very begining.)
Vader also has a massie force barrier protecting him, and The Force is greater than spiritual and physical, it's greater than time and space as well. It's at minimum a 6th dimensional entity that the Truth Seeking orbs might not even be able to destroy.
Everything Obito CAN use against Vader is debatable at best, but everything Vader can use against Obito is factual (Aside from Force Lighting. We know Vader can do it, but we also know Vader doesn't do it because it hurts him more than his oppenent, this was stated in legends, but I imagine the reason stays the same for canon)
Kamui can also be defeated pretty easily by Vader, it requires an eye to be used, and it also requires Obito knowing that Vader can use The Force on his eye. Remember, it is described as working directly at the same time as the attack is happening, and Obito has been shown to be able to not react fast enough to attacks, not to mention Vader's attack with The Force, if it's Force Crush, is instant, only be limited by a targets Force Shield, but Obito has no such shield, ALL of Vader's attack will hit harder than in Star Wars because of it. Even basic humans have a small, natural force shield protecting them.
@@bigbangrafa8435Vader is literally MFTL while Obito is barely hitting FTL.
Yes.
Exactly.
I Think Death Battle's Battle Animation Is Strong 7/10, But Death Battle Forgot That Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.@@weskintime4177
When he said that Akainu beat Hashirama I already knew he suck at scaling Naruto characters
Whats yours.
@@Scar_Face232 what’s you’re what?
@@user-uo5jj7dp6v scaling
It is funny yet sad Death battle never reacts to these criticisms. It reminds me of Disney never reacting to why they brought back Bob Iger when he was never decent in the capacity of running the company.
it death battle never ever pick winner that make all people happy
mind abilities aint working on obito
True Veder still stronger and faster though. Also Genjutsu won’t work on Veder either
@@Westley6578 Vader is NOT faster than light nor can he "react" to it. What he can tho is PREDICT where and when they will land. Like are we REALLY gonna say a youngling is LIGHTSPEED?! Because younglings with that drone that fire a laser at them can "react" to them, as you guys like to say. Want to claim lightspeed? Then proove it with a feat.
@@kj12351 bra
@@Westley6578 Yeah, what?
@@kj12351 wasn’t referring to laser dodging
I really didn't think Vader was that strong lol
He was always that strong
Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.
Saying death battle wrong for using non canon and canon doesn't mean you can use non canon be better by doing the fight death battle should have. Use canon for Vader meaning no legends stuff it never happened.
The thing is that he kind of did, Death Battle claims to use the characters at their strongest or their strongest version (or at least take them into account), hence why they used Archie Silver and Xeno Trunks for an episode, as their scaling for the Sonic canon would've made the fight trivial thanks to the massive difference in power.
And in the end why would you mind if Legends is used?
People can use the version of the character they see fit the most for a vs to make the match as interesting/ fair as it can be, in the end he used Legends for being both the strongest version of Vader and the original canon that George Lucas intended for the franchise.
In the end, each individual can choose whether they use the OG or New Canon for a vs fight, both are applicable for a fight and will depend on each individuals preference or way of doing a vs match.
Just point out Obito was 15 16 when he controlled the nine tails. He went missing during the conoby bridge so not quite 4 years.
Now that's the win I would want. Dark Vader should have won but no... ... Death Battle just "bias" to one side, which is sad.. The previous Death Battle videos are great but this is B.S
Anyway, Respect for Tylearned & CRISIS.. You guys are the real deal.
Canon Vader > Obito too
No
@@eddieboston6540 Canon Vader is still planetary and is still extremely powerful, he’s often compared to TFA Kylo and TLJ Kylo who’s extremely powerful
@@BasedKuuTooGourmetan obito is just too great for this man in Canon version bro. He literally has access to the sword of nunoboko which has the ability to create and destroy the world reinforced by his own will power. It's not even forget the plethora of one shot haxs that obito has.
@@BasedKuuTooGourmetYou actually don't know a single thing about Star Wars if you think Anakin is planetary.
@@Akiraspin The irony of that comment is so palpable I can literally taste it. Go read novels, go read statements, go read practically anything and you’d see Star Wars and it’s characters are easily planetary. They’ve been planetary for a long time. No they aren’t going to one tap a planet away visually but they have planetary+ level strength behind their attacks EASILY
The bias is evident. Though it’s to be expected.
My question about genjutsu is whether it would work on Vader or not considering he has bionic eyes
Genjutsu wouldn't affect him. Aside from the fact that both dark and light users have a natural force barrier against mind tricks. Not to mention the fact that they can sense mind attacks. But celestial beings (Looking into the void when "jumping") turn people insane. With Vader they did absolutely nothing
Even if it did work, Vader has resisted mental hax like that before
Resistanse to mind control with reversing and Amping It With Pain And Suffering And FEAR IS LITERALLY A BASE SITH TECHNICK.
Y’all saying that the show fell off and what not but do y’all even watch the animations or just the episodes in general? Or do y’all just skip to the verdict and complain about how character A beats character B when it was, at that point, a close a debatable match? Just turn off your brain and watch the episode, the animation was fantastic with great writing and smooth movements. It’s just their opinion, and saying they fell off every time they give a rare Naruto dub is kinda dumb to me. But ye those are my thoughts I guess, tear me apart in the replies. I DO respect this guys opinion and what not, but I’m speaking more towards what everyone else is saying regarding how the show “fell off”.
I guess you are right the Only bad Take I heard from them is Thinking Lee could Beat Sanji in a few Battles but Sanji over all won by a lot
They all do this it's nothing new
Yeah lemme jus turn my brain off dog
@Kyonari to be fair lee was put at moon level and sanji was put at continent level sanji was much much faster but all it would have taken was 1 hit from 8th gate less and sanji was dead sanji would still win 99 percent of the time but on the off chance lee gets a hit off he wins
This was truly insulting. You guys argument basically Is "See what literally the collective of ALL SITH IN HISTORY could do, what Obito can do against that?", completly ignoring the fact that Vader wasn't capable of doing most of what you listed. He doesn't use magics or mind hacks, and he lacks the powerful talismans of the Old Sith. You two completly ignored who the character is and how he fights, and just dropped the book of the Sith on the table and screamed "EXODIA, I WIN!" in a childish way. Hope someone in the Naruto community or in the SW Versus community debunks this.
*_I made my own "DEBUNKING" today, in case anyone cares:_*
People in this community are insane, you guys are so lost in "CALC STACKING" that you actually forgot how a fight works. It doesn't matter how many universes MUI Goku can destroy, he is not doing so every single time he fights, and the same applies here. Also, multiple skills refered in this video are only attributed to him by RPG guides and do not represent how he fights, so It's absurd to account that in the overall battle.
Another thing that truly frustrated me about this video is how these guys are simply assuming that Vader can do things when he was actually confirmed to be incapable of. For example, they scale Vader to the old Sith of the First Empire (Sadow, Vitiate, Ragnos, etc.), which in their head means that he is also capable of doing Supernovas and other crazy stuff. The problem? VADER DON'T USE SITH MAGIC AT ALL. At the time of the Empire most of said knowlege was lost, and what was left never was teached to Vader because Palpatine saw him as a broken man after Mustafar and did not believed him to be a worthy apprentice (that's why he wanted Luke to kill him in Ep. 6). Also, even trained Sith Sorcerers needed elaborated rituals involving relics, other initiates and most of all TIME to be set-up. Sadow cannot simply say "Oh, a shinobi, SUPERNOVA!" and instantly bring up such power.
Their "research" was so bad that they actually said that Vader is capable os using his own version of Force Lightining. If you're just a Naruto fan and only has a superficial (movies only) knowledge of Star Wars you would probably just accept that as truth, BUT IT IS NOT. What they are talking about here is a rare gift known as Kinetite, which is defined by wookiepedia as:
_"Kinetite was a variation on the Force lightning ability. It involved molding "Force energized lightning" into a sphere of restrained kinetic energy which could be thrown at an enemy. Instead of burning or electrocuting its target like most forms of Force lightning, it acted as a solid projectile."_
The problem? Vader used this only once, and just because he was being amped by a powerful artifact, the Kybur Crystal, and without said amp he cannot use said ability, and no other direct energy manipulation other than Tautominus (basically a super nerfed version of the Preta Path of Pain, the user can hold and deflect energy with their hands, like what he did to Han Solo's blaster shots in Cloud City). Again, in the SAME WOOKIEPEDIA PAGE AS BEFORE:
_"However, The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader offers a far different explanation, stating that it was Vader's close proximity to the Kaiburr crystal which allowed him to summon "Force energized lightning." The Jedi Path combines these two explanations by stating that Kinetite is a Force power that is created by generating a variation of Force lightning that acted as a kinetically empowered projectile. It is also confirmed that Vader used this power on Mimban, as Luke makes a footnote next to its description in The Jedi Path that Vader used it against him during their duel. What the effect the Kaiburr crystal had on its creation is not known"_
It's the type of stuff you don't bring to a debate because is, well, debatable. Once more, It feels that these guys are expecting people who knows a lot of Naruto but very little of Star Wars. Sadly to both, Star Wars has been my guilty pleasure for a while, specially after how bad of a shot It got at the hands of Disney. Anyway, the offenses don't limit themselves to the Star Wars universe. For example, they stated that Truth-Seeking orbs wouldn't work because the Force is "Spiritual Energy". Well, ALL CHAKRA ALSO HAS SPIRITUAL ENERGY, so I don't see the point. Maybe they were trying to equate Senjutsu with the Force, but even then what we see during the 4th Great Shinobi War with both Juubito and Six-Paths Madara is that Sage Mode can HELP YOU stand against the orbs but It is not a kyrptonite, Naruto and Sasuke could barely scratch them even whith both amped by Senjutsu.
I cannot also understand their Kamui argument. They imply that Vader would be so fast that Obito wouldn't be able to use Kamui to defend himself, which is crazy since he did that against Minato who, you know, TELEPORTS. Sith and Jedi can react to stuff and move faster than light, but that's still bellow INSTANTANEOUS, which is basically what Minato does woth FTG. That basically stablishes that 14 years-old Obito, who is inferior to his Rinnegan and Juubito forms, needs someone with at least teleportation to simply hit him once.
Oh, and let's not forget, OBITO IS A TANK. The same way Vader is unkillable in Star Wars, Obito is the hardest person to kill in the verse. He can survive an insane amount of time without multiple vital organs in base, while Vader needs to be enraged in legendary levels to acomplish something as simple as breathing without his suit (like when some fools tried to bury him alive, that was awesome btw). And even after you damage him, his regeneration is almost unmatched in base and godlike in Six-Paths.
In conclusion, I love Darth Vader to death, but the result here is clear. Vader is a beast, but Obito would have defeated the main character of the verse plus an army with everyone else. The only reason he lost was because Kakashi had his other eye and could counter Kamui, othewise the new anime would be "OBITO - Naruto's Infinite Dream" instead of Boruto.
Nobody is going to read that get a life
Where is your debunking
You used wookiepedia the fandom's wiki at this point u should use vs battle wiki for both sides
OK on the one hand DEATH BATTLE! did under play vader and give Obito stuff that is most like not stranded but on the other hand the death in Vader vs Obito is relay, relay, RELAY good so I'll let It slide.
Not good
I don't agree that the death is good. First of all he would leave Luke alive only for him to die to the emperor or turn to the dark side and Vader is here saying bye son, I need padme in an illusion which you can tell he knows this is an illusion but goes any way. He would rather have his son then padme
I Think Their Battle Animation Is Strong 7/10, But Death Battle Forgot That Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.
Death battle srsly did that?!
Omg on as a fan of both. Everyone is missing one important detail. HOW IS VADER EVEN GONNA KILL JUUBITO. “Oh Vader can just snap his neck and” obito is just gonna heal right after 💀💀💀
The thing is Vaders dealt with people who can regenerate (force can heal pretty significant wounds) and is just literally so much stronger the regeneration wouldn’t matter
@@Tylearned there’s a difference between force healing and 10 tails healing. Force healing is just healing up small wounds and things like that. It takes heavy concentration to do it also. Obito can literally heal his body when half of it has been blown to bits. So yes it WOULD matter. And everyone saying that “death Vader has handled this and that and this and that” the whole point is that earth has never faced ALL OF THE ABILITIES OBITO HAS COMBINED. Darth literally wouldn’t be able to keep up with all of the one shot ability’s obito has ie soul pulling or the infinite tsyukiomi. Like if obito hits you with a tiny tree trunk that’s gg’s (ofc Vader wouldn’t be hit by it but I’m emphasizing how many one shots obito truly had)
I agree wit what your saying but full potential Anakin or even full potential Vader would win.
@@orangeflame4813 dude, Veder can straight up incinerate you with the force
@@Westley6578 Obito can use Kamui faster than Minato can TELEPORT. At best Vader can dissintegrate a hand before Obito see what's going on and phases out, but honestly he would probably phas as soon as he feels the heat of the kinetic energy being sent into his body, none of Vader's skils are faster than teleportation.
Everything you said is literally the stupidest meat-riding I've ever heard.
Blasters are heated plasma, not lasers, not a single Star Wars character is light speed. Not one.
Normal people have reacted to and dodged blasters. Ftl Captain Rex?
Blasters Are Equal To The Speed Of Light In Physics By Being A Physicall Variation Of The Light Projection Made From Plasma AND IT WAS STATED IN THE OFFICIAL BOOKS AND NOVELS [NOVELIZATION] THAT BLASTERS IN STARS WARS @ARE@ EQUAL TO THE SPEED OF LIGHT SO BEFORE ARGUING LEARN THE MATERIAL FIRST.
+ In Star Wars The Entire Existense Was Stated To Be The Force Which Is Why Even Regular Humans In Star Wars Can React To Lightspeed Blasters Which Was Also Stated Multiple Times In The Lore.
3:18 uh sir…I’d like to introduce you to Boruto
Comp jason auto negs both ngl but W video
Facts!!!!!! THEY DIDN'T EVEN USE GOD VADER
Ah, yes. I remember watching The Empire Strikes Back in theaters back in 1980, and watching that scene where Vader transforms into his ultimate form God Vader™ .
The part where he fought God Yoda™ and they destroyed 15 universes was so hecking awesome.
That was something that only happened under very specific circumstances and it was only In Vader's own mindscape
Vader just better
Do Nico robin v shikamaru
Obito can definitely make his whole body intangible he does it all the time… DB got it right
Weebs always sleeping on Western Characters
No Vader is strong but he falls off hard without legends
Western characters are more grounded. But Comics characters wipes the floor with their Anime counterparts generally.
I'm just gonna say it, even some of the most disagreeable death battles are awesome
They aren’t awesome
@@firestriker3580they are y'all just wanna bitch about who doesn't win
The video was good but the winner was SUCH A BAD TAKE
Death battles of this videos
I Think Their Battle Animation Is Strong 7/10, But Death Battle Forgot That Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.
And really idk how Vader possibly wins this battle fr when Obito has mountain destroying abilities he can use
Bruh Vader has planet level abilities he can use
I can't really say who I think would win, but Vader in canon is stronger than characters who could push mountain monsters over effortlessly.
@@babyfett3542 bro maybe I should do my research on Vader cause I really don’t see him beating Obito fr he just has a lot of bad abilities
@@baneleshangase3398 Wdym bad abilities? The force is kinda broken. Also, I just don't know enough about Obito to make an argument against him. I was just saying Vader also has capabilities like that in canon.
@@baneleshangase3398Bruh stop Vader beats Obito
This video is we're biased star wars fans who know we can't prove canon Vader wins outright so we'll use non canon legends where we can prove Vader wins. If canon Vader could would still win they use canon but they know Vader doesn't. Obito stomps canon Vader but gets stomp by non canon Vader.
Using non canon Vader makes you worse then death battle and a hypocrite for calling death battle bad for using non canon to go on and do the same. Your both in the wrong
canon Vader also slams. also, they weren't criticizing death battle for using legends, they were criticizing death battle for using legends and canon as if they were the same continuity. which shouldn't be done for obvious reasons.
Found a coping Naruto fanboy with no valid arguments lol.
@@skeety7883Yeap, like straight up the beginning of the video clarifies that DB tends to use both Legends and Canon as if they were same continuities, so he'd be relying on Legends which is were Vader's best is.
@@skeety7883 no he doesn't canon star wars is weak as hell
I agree Vader does win but why not talk about DMS Obito? Or at least a hypothetical one
Umm then we have to talk about full potential Anakin, who is basically straight up God but that never happened so
Then bring up Full Potential Anakin, who is so powerful he can only be described as Jesus.
@@KraNisOG yeah lol unreasonable but DMS obito is also so
What about canon Vader? I know a lot more about Naruto so I know close to nothing about the current canon of Star Wars
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U remember that supernova feat they mentioned? That also happened in canon and Vader and palps are the two strongest canon sith
I Think Their Battle Animation Is Strong 7/10, But Death Battle Forgot That Even Canon Vader Killed An Entire Planetary Army IN ONLY ONE CANON COMIC ONCE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN LEGENDS DARTH VADER FROM THE LEGENDS CANON OF STAR WARS.
I hate this line of scaling for star wars, its, insanely inconsistent. You do all remeber Vader fighting Boba fet right? So which is it? Are Bounty hunters in star wars Galaxy lvl with MFTL+ fighting speeds ? Or is this line of scaling for star wars characters horribly inconsistent? (It's the latter)
Literally canon Vader can beat obito
Going by Vader's feats in films only, Obito stomps him easily. But I gather that Vader's feats are much crazier in novels and comics, which I have never read, so I don't have much authority on that. I feel like all star wars characters look weak in the films.
Well we're talking about legends Vader, you should probably go read the comics
@@cnpanimationstudios3224 I know, but I always feel like the films make the Jedi and Sith look so wimpy and then fans are like "Actually in a novel Luke destroyed a planet with his mind" or something like that. It seems a little strange because they never do crazy fears like that in the films even when it would save them and most people have only seen the films and the canonicity of the novels has been changed before. Meanwhile Naruto characters are OP across all media. They don't look wimpy in films, novels, TV, and or manga. It seems more consistent to me.
If we go by the films, we know that Vader is faster than Obito to begin with, and if we expand it to include live actions tv shows then we know he is stronger. Including comics, animated shows, and books increases the gap between them a massive deal.
The characters are actually hella busted, but even in the films you can see that they're broken. Like Vader being able to completely stop blasters from hurting him, moving faster than light (blasters are confirmed to be light speed in the star wars universe) and having more power than the death star as claimed by himself, AND by Palpatine. Just the first three movies show that Vader is planetary level, but it's so casual nobody every goes to remember it. We even see Vader kill a mf hundreds of miles away from him without thinking about it, it just happens.
Also, in Episode 1 we literally see Obi-wan and Qui-gon just.... flash away from blaster fire in the first like 30 minutes. We see a young anakin take on the seperatists and win, and in the second, and third movies their powers are further expanded upon, Anakin is like 16-17 years old in Episode 2, and he is 19 in episode 3. Bro is HELLA powerful and skilled once you take his age into account.
@@KraNisOG Saying that Vader reacting to a laser makes him as fast as light is the same logic I've heard people use for a million other franchises. Anytime a character jumps out of the way of a laser or deflects a laser fans will argue "lasers move near the speed of light so the character moves as fast as light". Death Battle used that logic to say that Link from the Legend of Zelda can move at light speeds because he can jump out of the way of lasers. But obviously that's just silly. Nux Taku even used that type of scaling logic to prove that all characters in Naruto are faster than the speed of light.
Hell no. Vader stomps Obito in movies
I have a theory that someone at Death Battle hates Vader
He should've stomped this mu with 0 effort yet they have him lose for bs reasons
Why does it matter Vader lost anyway