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the 3 minute song mark is so true, WHY ARE THEY SO SHORT
the chan thing is also so true, he absolutely didn't have to apologize
survival shows are sucking the living hell out of me, i despise them lmao
also the even member thing is so true, it bothers me so much when a member gets put in the back for the choreo (unless they have a bunch of members yk)
3:22
I totally agree, like some people are assuming things and trying to start a war between IVE and Stray Kids, Bangchan didn't even said the group name, the netizens and the haters are just looking too deep in it. He just said that everyone should be respectful and he has a point.
I agree with the majority of these opinions, especially #14. So upsetting the way that Bang Chan had to apologize for an assumption completely based off of people pointing fingers..
SAMEEEE
FR LIKE DAMN. but if it’s their fav they’ll start praising them
Fans wants idols to be ‘real’ with them and share more of their actual lives and thoughts. But then in the same breath, they wanna condemn idols when they do just that!
I totally agree about the even member groups! For example, I love a lot of IVE's discography but I have a lot of issues watching their group choreography. The formations almost always look awkward and unpleasing or someone is completely hidden due to them having an even number and honestly it really distracts from their talent.
thank you for Blackswan!!! Like i'm seeing TOO MANY hate on those girls and that's just not justified at all
I agree with basically every opnion
the video hasn’t even been out for 6 minutes 😭
@@yoshified_ lmao 😭😂
@@yoshified_ Idek myself 😭I opened yt and saw a new video by u
Same lol btw which song was black swan dancing to
their new song karma
no the 3 minute mark thing like every time i hear 'bite me' i get shocked when the song ends cuz i keep expecting a bridge. enha's recent title tracks slap (i like all of them i know not everyone does but i do) but i wish they had proper bridges and didn't end so abruptly. also i so agree with the live encore stage one - they just won an award and you want them to sing live flawlessly? they should sound good - it's their job - but they're not going to sound perfect, it's not going to sound like the studio version.
also, about fifth gen - i'm not angry about it, i'm honestly just confused. it still feels so early for 5th gen to start - some of the biggest 4th gen groups are just a year old at this point, and not a single 4th gen group has reached seven years and contract renewal yet. it feels more like 4.5 gen right now, at least for me.
party ending's slap literally so fucking much like a song can be majorly mid but when it ends with a banger beat drop/dance break??? insane. makes me bite through my bones every damn time
For 14, I don’t think the problem was bangchan himself (although he tends to overshare with fans), he needed to do damage control since stays were coming for dives through assumption and it got really bad
Personally I'm not "angry" 5th gen is allegedly starting, I just really don't see why people think it is. I've been into K-pop for a while and I was there to witness the end of 3rd gen and the beginning of the 4th, there I understood why and what shifted exactly, what made a new generation rise ; and with time I understood why generations were divided the way they are and what defines a new one. The problem here with the presumed beginning of 5th gen is I can't find any factor of a new gen starting: popular groups are debuting but not massively in a time period that's short enough, there's no big concept that took over the whole industry (yes Y2K is popular but it's nowhere near the popularity teen crush or retro concepts once had for example, and though it's arguable for girlgroups correct me if I'm wrong but boygroups keep debuting with the same type of concepts), and apart from new groups debuting and old ones disbanding the K-pop industry doesn't seem any different than last year or 2 years ago... To me 5th gen just sounds like a marketing strategy for companies to hype up their upcoming groups (and so fans can be like "my 5th gen faves are the first 5th gen group to do this" or "my 5th gen faves have broken this record for 5th gen groups").
Sorry for the rant, I'm not mad or pissed or anything, I'm just genuinely confused as to why so many people think 5th gen is already here
i also think it’s a little too early for 5th gen to be starting, i think they should’ve started pushing for 5th gen at the end of this year, bc that would be 6 years instead of 5 and a half, but there’s nothing no one can do to stop that, so might as well accept it
Because mnet Is the one pushing it 😭💀
Personally, I think 5th gen started with new jeans bc it's really imposible to me see them and groups debuted this year on the same gen as groups like skz, txt or itzy, it feels odd lol but maybe that's just me
Black swan comeback recently is hittingg I love their b-side cat & mouse it sounds like blue flame and some of fiftyfifty songs. I love where they are heading
I feel like Lessarfim when they were originally six and Ive manage to pull off even number choreos. Other than that I agree.
I agree with everything besides two although they are your opinions tho:
I don't agree with saying encore's are just for fun and it isn't that deep: yes your right, it's meant to be fun and exciting but they can sing well and make it fun trust me if it's your job to be an idol singing well is the bare minimum they get nervous because they are aware of their vocal capabilities and are sure they'll receive critism for it that's why I don't wanna watch an encore where idols that are meant to be good at singing are sounding like someone is chocking them.
And yes your right 3mins songs are short and sometimes are annoying because they are too short I felt that why for enhypen's title track bite me it was too short but sometimes I think the songs are better short because if they enlongate it has the tendency to get boring and lose what it started with.
But agree 100% with your other opinions
agree with everything especially bang chans apology. i was in class when i read it and have never been more enraged. so he wants basic respect, that he consistently gives out, and that’s wrong bc some wack ppl on the internet started to assume? ugh that whole situation makes me upset💀
Completely agree with majority of your opinions as with all your other opinion vids. This time esp the Bang Chan one.
Chan has all the human rights to talk about basic respect, and he was just expressing his thoughts and feelings on it, not even calling anyone out. But people heard this and ran with their own interpretations of it. As a multi-stan, esp a huge Stay and Dive, it tore me apart to see how far things were taken: Stays speculating and pining specific artists, Dives feeling attacked and lashing out to uneccessary lengths in response, and other fandoms in general calling Chan out for being 'unprofessional' saying that other groups are at a 'disadvantage' to this argument bcoz of his seniority. All fandoms were at fault here, and Chan shouldn't have had to feel the need to apologise for fans baseless assumptions.
ok so here are my thoughts bestie:
3) you already heard about the sad news T_T but in the latest N Quiz ep that they released just today, basically we found out what NCT's plans are for the rest of the year. So we're getting a Dream album in July, WayV fanmeet tours, Dream concerts, 127 album in Oct probably, WayV album in Oct to and in August we're getting an NCT 2023 album + concert (as well as a Dream mini album in Nov/127 special album in Dec??? I hope they don't overwork and stay healthy, and that Taeil gets the screentime/lines he deserves). So idk about a new sound, but we are getting NCT 2023 in august with i'm assuming 20 (🤮) members, and then potentially at some point this year NCT Tokyo and whatever the rookies will become. I'm incredibly torn about what they've done with Sungtaro but that's a discussion for another day. But also, speaking of NCT music after 2020 - Favourite, On My Way, To My First, Arcade, Better Than Gold, Life Is Still Going On, HELLO FUTURE????? absolute bangers and I will not take any feedback on that
7) Here's what I think is the deal with the whole '5th Gen' situation. I'm not as mad that it's started, but rather I don't think it HAS started. I know that as time goes by, and music styles and genres evolve more quickly, groups will develop and change more quickly. Like how fashion once upon a time used to change maybe over a decade, and now we have microtrends in a year. I guess if I were to look back, the earlier gens lasted for a while before a new gen came in, like 5-7 years minimum. And also you don't just say it's a new gen because it is, but usually a change in generation is defined by a change in sound, so it's only really possible to say that a group defined the start of a new Gen after the fact, not before. I'd wanna say that gen 3 started around the 2012-2013 time?? but idk if we could've said IN 2012 that 'this is Gen 3', but we called it that after. Like we only name historical events after the fact and not during, if that makes any sense? So i'd wait for a year or so before i went straight ahead and said that a certain group triggered Gen 5, just based on their sound and concept. Also I guess it doesn't feel like Gen 4 has been around for long enough to warrant a new Gen already??
14) Bangchan apologising for calling out a lack of basic human respect is W I L D and i hope those delulu netizens who called him out go and touch grass for once in their lives.
15) Also i'm sorry but Seunghwan and Jongwoo. daylight robbery, all of them.
17) you're so absolutely right. not to be that person but i miss the old gidle lol
18) i'll say the only 'survival show' i've seen recently that i'll allow for now is Peak Time. but the rest are just toxic cesspits.
21) JUSTICE FOR MORE AND MORE
Thanks for sacrificing yourself on the altar of Having Opinions, we love you for it
4th gen has started in 2017/2018, that was 5/6 years ago. So actually we're reaching the approximate 7 year per gen mark next year. The reason why it felt way shorter is a) due to the global pandemic that locked us all in our houses for 2 years and b) the oversaturation of the market. I've seen these takes floating around in a lot of Ktubers videos and I absolutely have to agree with it. 4th gen felt abnormally short although it really wasn't.
And I absolutely agree that we will not be able to say whether 5 gen has started or not until after the fact. I have no idea why people feel like they gotta rush like this. Whether or not groups like NewJeans for example marked the start of the 5th gen will depend on the next groups to debut. Especially those from the big 3 (4 if you wanna include Big Hit/Hybe in it).
Also you're absolutely right about the major musical change that brought in a new gen. That has happened since the very first gen and due to all these small trends we're used to having in this day and age it's still absolute muddy waters right now.
my underlying kpop opinion is that everyone's lives would be better if people spent less energy getting mad about things they can't control 😑 (with respectful youtube venting always allowed ofc)
Both IVE and Stray Kids especially Wony and Chris has a lot and I mean A LOT of antis, both groups and idols are the punching bags for toxic kpop stans. They’ve been dragging for everything, even for something basic. I understand that because of this both fandoms can be really aggressive when it comes to defending their faves.
But I think in this situation both fandoms were really childish and made situation even WORSE. They could have worked it out between themselves, but we're talking about kpop fans, of course no one would do that and both fandoms started shitting on poor girls and Chan.
Situations like this just proves that kpop fans really aren't ready for their idols to be open with them.
P.S. I should add that I have nothing against stays or dives, here I was talking mostly about the toxic side of each of the fandoms.
I had to get off the internet after the bangchan scandal because lord i forgot how childish kpop fan could be
And I agree with the g-idle I wanted to stan them so I recently went and listened to their discography. And wow I was speechless, they had some amazing songs, the new ones pales in comparison
Only reason I’m shocked about the first one is because is I don’t understand but I love you is one of my favorite songs right now
Theres actually more layers to the Bangchan one.
Surprisingly queencard and allergy r probably my favorite G ilde songs. I agree the production was off on stuff like tomboy and nxde but I think they really hit the mark with these 2
Finally someone agrees about kard s title track being good
I believe the issue with BangChan is that he should know as an idol his fans will assume the worst and will genuinely bring an issue.
Hence why idols aren’t allowed to say some stuff online
3:20 THE SET ME FREE PT.2 HATE TRAIN WAS SO FORCED like I had that shit on repeat while ppl were finding reasons to hate on it lmao
same
I will share my opinions on some of your points. :)
1. It's funny because FML is the first Seventeen's album that I like. I had never been (nor am I) a fan of their style, but on this album I liked them a lot more.
4. The thing with encores is that they're mostly not doing anything and they sound TERRIBLE. Encores have a lot of importance because it's practically the only place where you can listen to certain groups singing completely live (especially 4th Gen).
6. AFTER LIKE and I AM are better for me. :D
7. I think because of the pandemic, a lot of people haven't even realized that it's been FIVE YEARS since 4th Gen started. The current groups no longer even resemble the groups that started 4th Gen. Let's just compare ITZY and (G)I-DLE to IVE and NewJeans, totally different. It's definitely time to move on.
11. Totally agree. If the kpop industry itself is already very shallow, commercial and basic in many aspects, I feel that releasing 2 minute songs is going the easy route of getting a "good/hit song". They are detracting from the art of music with "songs" that don't even have a well thought out or different structure.
14. I get the point that Chan shouldn't apologize, as he was just exposing his POV about a situation. The point is that he said the particular event where that happened, which put the target in all the groups that appeared in that place. I think it wasn't smart of Bangchan to be specific but not totally, cause some groups took unnecessary hate by not knowing who Chan was referring to, although in the end we already know that everything fell to IVE.
agree with everything
Encores aren't really important. They are supposed to be fun for the idols to enjoy themselves rather than worrying about sounding great.
@@NeverlandXidle They trained to be idols. Having fun and sounding good (or at least decent) are not mutually exclusive.
@@arnolacosta6093 there's no point in doing encores if y'all expect them to sing like they're singing at concert.
@@NeverlandXidle Read what you write and what I wrote, because at no time did I say that I want them to sing like in concerts, just that they sound decent because that is their JOB. Justifying that they can't sing well/ok because "they're having fun" is justifying mediocrity. At the end of the day, the encores are given on a televised show with a live audience listening who deserves respect.
im not just biased to blackswan,, but number 2 is so real. kpop is a genre..... if you sing, and dance in korean then you are considered kpop. i love seeing foreigners
especially when I see people defending xg as a kpop group when all the member are Japanese. Many people online just switch up when it comes to blackswan. They are both very talented kpop groups.
18. THATS ME LIKE !!!! i hate survival shows and when people say why you watch them well it’s because of the contestants
22. i used to have that opinion but all of stayc’s choreos look good to me 😭 also i started stanning le sserafim after garam left so i never really got into her and her removal from the group doesn’t matter than much to me but in the choreo for blue flame there’s a part where i actually think it looked better with 6
i can see why u think jimin's and yoongi's solo works are amazing, and i respect that
but as for yoongi, im not much for his mixtapes, just the songs people, daechwita and agust d
but d-day tho, thats an amazing album, and im so glad he did such a great job on it bc i wanna try supporting him as best as i can
as for my opinion, jimin's, jk's, jin's, tae's and hobi's solo works are amazing
and as for namjoon tho, i only like the single bicycle, wild flower and lonely from indigo and the mono album lol
but all of bts' solo songs from their albums tho are just fantastic
i think that encore stages are supposed to be fun for everyone but sound good at the same time. I'm not talking like 100% perfect performances, because where's the fun in that, but there are some encores that are just unbearable to listen to and that's a red flag for me at least
to me zb1 in 4th gen are in a similar place where weki meki were in 3rd gen. they both debuted/will debut in the summer of the last year of their respective generations. they both have the feels of 5th gen and 4th gen respectively, but they aren't quite in these generations. 5th gen should definitely start in the beginning of 2024 (maybe very late 2023 if an influential group happens to debut in like december just the way the boyz did in late 2017). it's just what makes sense to me tho. the whole 6 years thing also makes sense to me because 6 years before 2018 which is the start of 4th gen in my eyes gets you to 2012 which to me was the start of 3rd gen. i just think it makes sense for a new generation to start every 6 years
1:46 I watched an encore stage where the members piling on top of each other and the person at the bottom of the pile was singing and the next day I kept of seeing people online saying, "wow your faves can be out sung by the whole industry" and just the usual hate comments.
Like, how do you expect someone to have flawless vocal when being crushed to the ground. Also they are just having fun and its the end of a long work day for them as they have probably been at that music show for the entire day. They are machines that are flawless. As long as their music and stages are good that's what really matters.
omg yes i miss when artists would release songs that hit the 4min mark
i think a group debut with 6 or 8 members simply because they fit in it
i agree with the one abt an even amount of members HEAVY. i always feel so bad for the member in the back, that it just distracts me from the overall performance
to 2.
+ they perform in korean and promote there and I think I kinda like their latest song. I’ve watched a stage and they CAN actually aing live (while dancing) so they can do more then their korean more popular seniors, just saying
to 4.
yes, BUT they need to prove they can sing live at least once in their career (because I’m kinda scared it’s not their voice and I think live singing is proving they’re like good for me) BUT just stop making such a big deal out of it
to 7.
Humans are afraid of change. It’s actually a thing because we lived in the nature and stuff, change was almost never good yk
to 8.
YES YES YES and the dance is like the cherry on top ITS ALL SO GOOD and Hikaru my bias be out there having the attitude of her life
to 20.
Because imo, this is ruining their relatable and real image and their adressing music to minors. It just feels very…off. BUT Danielle fits so well for little mermaid ahhhh
the members group one! I agree with it a lot because some choreographys from some groups are really uneven and the other members end up hiding one of the member and for me that's really annoying, it's not like you can't debut a group with an even number it's just make the choreography like that so that the members don't hide one of the other members 😭
Agree with every single one especially the even number groups and this is coming from a person who loves even numbers.
"Kpop idols sounding bad during an encore stage is not that deep"
SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT!!📢📢📢
Lmao but it actually is deep. If an idol cannot sounds bad during an encore stage with no dancing or movement or anything, it just shows their lack of talent or their lack of training but still having talent. People justifying that it's supposed to be fun is dumb. Like so what if it's supposed to be fun? If they don't sound good, they don't sound good. Idols who cannot sing decent during encore stages are just yikes.
@@jasoninthea.m7471
Everyone has their own take on it
I've always thought encore stages were supposed to be fun and not serious, idols don't even have to sing
, they can dance and joke around to celebrate their win.
They HAVE to sound good if it's an actual performance, that fans came to watch and paid for.
But if it's something that's just done for fun , it shouldn't be taken seriously.
It's like judging someone for having fun singing at karaoke, if you want to judge, then judge them in an actual performance.
@@Hiyyaaz Yeah true, but having fun doesn't mean they don't show at least some decent singing. Because at encore stages, they sing without dance and that's supposed to be easy. So *It's supposed to be fun*, never makes me go like *Okay, I get it*, because even for fun singing, good singers show good vocals sometimes. So there's nothing about it being for fun, if there's not even a little sign of the idols showing talent. It's the same as how groups sing on radio shows like SBS Idol Radio or Arirang, where they don't have to dance. Yes these encore stages are supposed to be fun, but fun doesn't really mean that the performance is okay to sound bad considering if you look at some encore stages, some idols actually sound good which means even with encore stages being fun, there are idols who still show good vocals at times of the performance, which means they're kinda performing (if you understand me)!
YESS ESPECIALLY #4 its so annoying to see people expect professionalism in an ENCORE STAGE
#14 : This is crazy but the way that EVERYBODY and their pets have opinion about it and run to spread it all over the web in no time... makes me proud of how far Stray Kids have gone 😁😜 They became so big that nobody can ignore a single word Bang Chan says. Btw, thank you for your sanity (if that makes sense). I see most ktubers (especially some popular ones) using Chan's situation to heat up emotions and feed on turmoil they're causing. It feels like nobody wants to solve the problem 'cause everybody wants more blood. It's refreshing to find someone who acts better than that.
ah nah
i am loving nct’s music, i always have ^^
#4 is so true like I know Itzy & Skz antis are shivering in their boots when they heard this one
okay but I actually SO agree with the groups with even numbers one. It annoys me so bad when one of the members are stuck behind another. and you can't have a proper center and the choreo sometimes ends up looking weird. it just annoys me so bad 😭
For the bangchan thing, I think what he said is fine if that’s his opinion, but he was definitely a little irresponsible saying such things on his platform. He obv is aware how stays and K-pop fans in general are, and how people will weaponize things like that against particular groups. Esp seeing how IVE was getting a lot of (undeserved) hate for this EXACT thing and are currently the punching bags of toxic fans. I just wonder, did he really need to share his thoughts publicly? Or could he have told one of his friends in private to get it off his chest and spared IVE and himself the backlash
ALSO he obv wasn’t TRYING to call specific people out right? Ostensibly just sharing his thoughts, so don’t tell me that he intended for this to change anyone’s behavior and NEEDED to be said on live
Just don’t be disrespectful, easy.
it definitely wasn’t irresponsible imo, i feel like bang chan done what he had to do, and he definitely wasn’t the first person to call out that disrespectful behavior but somehow some way, he’s the only one who got hate for it and actually had to apologize which is so crazy. ive definitely didn’t deserve that hate, but they’re both victims in this case. he should be able to say what he needs to say, especially when it’s something like that, and not get backlash from it.
@@HyukaThingzz how does this justify IVE getting hate for other idols’ actions ?
@@yoshified_ sounds like he could have saved everyone a lot of grief by just thinking about the ramifications of his actions
The way I only go to school to come back and watch your videos-
THE ENCORE STAGES ONE IS SOOO TRUE
Opinion 1: that's an interesting opinion, but personally, it is the comeback that made me interested to get into seventeen.
Opinion 3: Related rant: I don't understand why Shotaro and Sungchan had to leave, like they (and the other 3 rookies we were introduced to) were the only reason i was excited for nct tokyo. But i'll still support them when they debut in the non nct boy group though. Anyway, i don't think nct's music has gotten bad after 2020, in fact i love almost all of their music (but hot sauce is a skip)
Opinion 7: I'm not really mad about 5th gen starting, i just think it's way too early to say it's started, i would wait until at least the end of 2023 before saying it's 5th gen
Opinion 11: I do feel like there are some songs that are good enough being less than 3 minutes and wouldn't need any extra length, but yeah there are a lot of recent song that could be better if they were a bit longer
Opinion 17: in terms of bsides, yeah, i find that i enjoy more old bsides than new (didn't like a single bside under i feel) but their titles are still great, allergy and queencard were some of my favorite this month
21: Yeah, justice for more and more tbh, it's nowhere near the worst twice song, in fact, i can enjoy it, even if there are some twice titles i prefer to this, and i don't know why people hated on it
I’m soglad you’re back you were one of the first ktuber I watched so this is kinda home
a yoshified post on my bday ?
this day can t get better ! ❤️
happy birthday 🥳
@@yoshified_ thank you 고맙습니다 😊
I agree about songs being over 3 minutes long! I don’t like songs being too short because like you said they feel incomplete! Also I don’t like when songs don’t have a bridge because the bridge is one of the best parts in K-pop songs in my honest opinion
yesss lvly is so good !!
Agree to almost all of them specially the last one
personally the only reason i'm so taken aback that 5th gen started is that i still feel like 4th gen started not that long ago, like there are still so many 3rd and even a couple 2nd gen groups active that it just shocked me to realise that another gen was about to start.
Yeah ikr 😭 it would just be weird because loads of 3rd gen K-pop groups are still active and will be for a few more years (ex. Twice as they just renewed their contract) plus I think the only reason companies are pushing is because of marketing strategies so people can say i Stan a 5th gen group who set a record for 5th gen blah blah
Opinion 14: Yes agreed. Stays need to do some serious self-evaluation for attacking another unnamed group and making assumptions, which resulted in poor Bang Chan recieving backlash from k-netizens. He really ended up apologising for his fandom's reactionary response to his words, when it should not have been blown out of proportion like that. Embarrasing! They should have been the one apologising for doing him dirty like that.
both sides should do some self evaluation, not just stays 😭
@@yoshified_ ofcourse, anybody who said nasty things should. But who was the root of all this, which ended up with Bang Chan having to apologise? Stays. If they did not weaponise his words, this whole situation would not have occured.
Tbh I’m that person that doesn’t want 5th gen to happen lol. But honestly even if mnet is pushing for 5th gen to happen I don’t think fans will let it happen, i think it will be 5th gen but fans will still class it as 4th gen and honestly theirs nothing we or mnet can do lol.
thank you so much for being normal about the chan thing! he really didn't have to apologise for something fans did, just as no other idol has ever apologised for the much more horrible things their fans did. and as we all know, the haters and the gg stans were only mad because it was chan who talked about it. no other idol would've gotten this outrage
3:23 On this I think that Bang Chan did well to apologize, since his words can easily be taken out of context by his public and he knows it, for me what he said has nothing wrong, but it is predictable that they were going to cause chaos, in my opinion it would have been worse if he had turned a blind eye. I loved your video and I agree with the other opinions❤
first love u💕
I thought of Beomhan and Jay debuting together and it would be really cool, Beomhan is a rapper/dancer and Jay is a good vocalist so they would be perfect in a group, but I think Jay will most likely debut as a soloist. He said he’s going to debut this year but and he’s literally promoting as a soloist while Beomhan is lowkey on hiatus, he’s back to America with dislocated shoulder and he needs to do surgery and it will take a lot of time for him to get back to training for sure. I think FM will most likely capitalize on Jay’s popularity and debut him as soon as possible before his hype dies so they might separate boys from each other which is such a shitty move but their company ain’t that good with managing their artists so I won’t be surprised if they won’t debut them together…
More & More is a bop!
The KARD opinion >>>>
All these opinions are valid. With Shotaro and (I can't remember the other NCT) member leaving and supposedly being in a new SM group, maybe we will. I got into NCT 127 in 2021 and I really like their music, but I want a new group.
5th gen is here. I've been a stan since 2nd gen, and it seems each gen is getting shorter, but in fact it's been 6 years since the beginning of the 4th gen (roughly 2017). It's shocked me too but so is music
i’m just shocked 5th gen started already 😭 i ain’t even notice the difference in sound change 💔
i’m also stuck on 4th gen but ppl don’t gotta be so mad abt it
1 is so true, it was MID
And about gidle one, that's what I think😭
I prefer their old music
Agree with the NCT ONE 😢
i literally cannot with even number groups, like their music is good but i can when there is never an actual “center”
I agree with everything except #13. I love all BTS'S solos. Jack in the box was a new exciting,great and wonderful venture for J hope (I'm obsessed with Arson and More) and Indigo for me is the one of my greatest album of 2022 (I'm obsessed with Wild flower) .Suga and Jimin's album are very great and deserve and are deserving of their praises.
1. me too omg
opinion 14 - I feel like he shouldn’t apologize because wanting basic respect is normal. BUT i do think he has to be more cautious with the way he words things with a fandom like that. stays are a little too protective and their reaction to what he said literally shows that chan should be more careful. im not blaming him for their reactions though, they’re grown people and should have enough maturity to know that going on a witch hunt and attacking random idols is crazy.
Seventeen's album wasn't that great but it was good like it was above my expectations but i agree with all the other opinions and i respect yours too :)
SUPER-THE BEST
APRIL SHOWER-VOCAL TEAM DOESNT GET MANY LINES BUT GOOD
DUST-EMOTIONAL -THE LYRICS ARE REALLY MEANINGFUL
FIRE-NOT MY TYPE
I DONT UNDERSTAND BUT I LUV-HAVE BEEN PROCASTINATING LISTENING TO IT
Ong you preached the word with opinion. It's so annoying seeing one member dance behind other or watching one kneel in front of the center like...
Omg I thought I was the only one who thought it was impractical to have an even number of people in a group. They always end up having someone near invisible behind someone else during choreo and I feel like it’s so unfair to whoever gets stuck in the back
1- as a carat i loved the album, what i call "comfyteen" is my fav concept from them, chill and laid back music with meaningful lyrics, FML is actually my fav song in the album along w/ Dust
4- agree, encore stages are for the idols only, to have fun after getting their prize for the week, music show awards arent all that inportant, only the first win is and like you said as long as they sound good actually performing idc
7- i wouldnt say im one of those who are actually mad abt 5th gen but i dont agree that it has started, 4th gen feels so new still its been like 5 years and the top groups of the gen all debuted like 1 or 2 years ago, it feels more like were reaching a peak of the gen rather then starting a new one imo
14- i have conflicting views on this and ive "argued" abt it under a diff yt video, i think hes right for bringing this up but i dont think he shouldve said it live where random ppl could take his words out of context and target someone, which they did, so the appology was needed
17- i actually started ulting idle in their "new era", i follow them since their debut and i do enjoy their old music but after they started using their platform to speak up about important issues (mostly since nxde but tomboy too ig) it made me love the group even more
I respect your opinion on Seventeen new album but Dust and I don't understand but I love u is just my type of songs it's ok everybody has different taste and I don't mind it😅
technically 5th gen should not start
but according to all those with power, it has, and it’s whatevs :)
I agree with all of them except that one with svt fml album cuz I liked every song in the album ,but everyone has his one music taste.
I really agree with
I really don't like some of blackpink's songs
And some blinks go crazy when ever i told
Them . Same happens with many other groups
Even my fav groups its ok not to like a song all
Matters is that u love the group . Its not good to
Try ur hardest to like songs that u don't even like
i see what you mean but i disagree, them having a lot of members makes them stand out. i feel like they should change things up without going their separate ways, and instead of mark and haechan leaving 127, they should just have less comebacks and have wayv or subunits promote more often
@@yoshified_respect ur opinion but I won't say like directly disband
And this year there contact is ending anyway and lucas left nct
And now SM has plans to debut nct Tokyo as a whole different group
That's why the group now has 21 members
Disagree NCT shouldn’t disband
SM only needs to promote them better
They are already starting to change their sound
I don't mean to start a fanwar as I am a nctzen too I know a lot of u nctzen disagree but it's my opinion
@@NCT_LOVES Me too I don’t want to start a fanwar
The NCT situation can be annoyed for many people
yesssss
I very agree to the opinion stated here like almost all of it.
I have never been this early hehe
I think a major thing that defines k-pop generations, is not only sound and image of a groups, but also the general political and economic effect it has, the system its built on, and other shifts in the industry itself. Like 1st gen is birth of the genre, 2nd is creation of the business model, 3rd is the start of the globalisation, and 4th is the globalized gen of k-pop. it is near impossible to identify these shifts while they happen - so why not wait and look back to draw a line and differentiate between the gens?
I see the wakeone trainees fans on Twitter getting worked up about their favs leaving Wakeone but I’m like??? Y’all are stanning trainees and god knows how many companies most trainees go through before debuting or giving up! Of course they wouldn’t stay ?? So I’m just surprised that so many people got mad at the company and kept asking for answers when they’re clearly not going to get it 💀 I feel sorry for them fr
2 - The hate train on them is too much
11 - They only aim tiktok nowadays so short songs, empty choruses. I'm glad my faves still make full songs with full chorus
13 - Say it louder please. Some people literally force themselves to hate Like Crazy, some like it undercover because they're too bitter to acknowledge that one of the best songs this year came from Jimin.
17 - G Idle lost their "touch" the day Cube let Soojin go. She was the spice of the group and their songs were better. I can't believe it's the same group that sang Latata
22 - Disagree, Everglow nail the even number choreos
The first opinion about seventeen I absolutely disagree (In a respectful way), because for me, personally, they're that group whose basically every song I can grow to like, if i don't like already, but I absolutely understand the fact that everyone has different opinions and I respect it. :)
I also find it really interesting and amusing when other people have completely different opinions about particular stuff and I always try to see it from their perspective, It's so fun, as long as the opinion is not a hate speech though.
And about the 14th opinion. The way I got so scared and was about to literally cry (I'm just emotional af) when I saw the letter on skz's insta because I thought it was something bad, like smth happened to a member or even worse, but then the caption/translation(If I'm not wrong) and I was literally stunned because why tf. He didn't have to apologise for anything, like he didn't even mention anyone specific, but some stans just had to start unnecessary assumptions and he was basically forced to say sorry. :/ Though I kinda see why him talking about that wasn't the best idea especially on a very open platform youtube, but like if no one talks about this who else would? I know that more idols have talked about this and the dumbest thing is, is that only Chan got hate for speaking about it, so like I'm wondering why only him? :/
As always I enjoyed this video, I usually try to stay away from those videos with the opinions of ktubers, but your opinions and the way you word it is like a thousand times better than others do and It's not uncomfortable to watch it.
here's what I think
1) nct itself it's a brand with them experimenting different types of music so idk what to say abt this
2) it does matter mainly bc you can have fun while sounding good if u actually csn sing tho those idols shouldn't be terrified bc it's their job. these days idols are performing with pre recorded vocals or a huge backtrack so obviously ppl will pay extra attention to an encore since that's the moment they can finally sing without backtrack and mind u they are just standing. I find funny how hybe groups except for svt were the ones criticized for it while sm artists were praised but that just speaks abt how companies train their idols
3) all of this mess started was mainly bc of stays, bang Chan did not mention names but stays did. they started dragging and bringing ive up so dives were mad specially kdives which defended ive
Early🏃♀️
14 mhm!
16 so true
The reason why people got mad about 5th gen is because mnet declared that it was starting. That not being the case for previous generations + people hating mnet = even less agreement about 5th gen starting
While I do believe Chan shouldn't have had to apologise for wanting basic respect I do think he should be more careful with his words and stop treating his fans like besties. He KNOWS how crazy fans can become. I mean just look at what happened to Woojin. So I just think he should think carefully before he speaks because he is aware what damage kpop fans can cause
woojin's situation got bad after he was falsely accused of stuff, one whole year after leaving skz. so like, unless bang chan himself made the false accusations, which he sure as fuck didn't, he isn't at fault for any of that
I only meant when Chan was talking about how "someone betrayed him and stays would know what he meant" All the fans immediately jumped to conclusions that he meant Woojin.
@@maripari1952 well yeah but that's not enough to ruin your reputation, that just makes a fandom hostile towards you which I agree it did, but I'm a post god's menu stay and seeing the clips of skz struggling in 2019 after he left or whatever made me dislike him regardless. but yeah the real issue with him began when he got falsely accused of terrible stuff imo
Good to know I’m not the only one who gets annoyed at songs that are under 3 minutes. It’s not that a bunch of songs like this aren’t literal bangers, so I have no idea why it bothers me 😭
Thank you for the bang chan one, it actually made me so mad when I saw that ig post man 🥲
firstly it is true that chan didnt need to flamed for that but him saying the specific event like,,, yes he didnt point fingers but there were only so many rookie groups there, you know? chan was absolutely right and he didnt point fingers but regardless naming the specific event is exactly what got him so much hate. either way people need to calm down & stop flaming idols for everything fr
as a wakeonez enthusiast it pains me to admit theyre not doing anything with them lol. you're right they're stuck there unless they leave - haruto left and most likely min and minseok too. not to mention whatever the hell is going on with anthonny boy hasn't breathed for months like??? damn wakeone fr
AND YES KEITA AND HUI WERE ROBBED and now rain has no excuse to let ciipher rot after the attention keita and hyunbin have gained like . . . please save seunghwan he needs to redebut he deserves so much
I agree with uneven members it just looks better and more aesthetic having an odd number and you see everyone when in a formation,no one is hidden or stuck behind someone else.
I didn't even know 5th gen had started,and to to be honest didn't care......lol
FML is AlOTY for me with face and D-Day-Hybe going to be fighting over Daesangs for sure-especially as sales from their albums are unmatched...SVT winning.
3 minute songs are unfinished and seem rushed...my opinion
NCT...hmmm i don't really follow them but they do need new direction....something that catches people.But i have a feeling SME will ..... that up again.
I don't force my self to love a song from my Favs.if I don't like it it's fine they have heaps of others I love(BTSVT my ult groups).
I thought kpop meant Korean pop-not just random people singing in Korean??isn't that like saying BTS isn't kpop when they sang in English and yes people actually accused them of abandoning their roots and becoming westernized....
I'm not necessarily mad at the fact that people are saying 5th gen has started (I'm actually not mad about any of it, just mildly annoyed), it's just that every other generation change has been gradual (as far as I know!!) but then some news outlets went "it's fifth gen now!!" and everyone rolled with it lol. also, I don't feel like there's been enough of a style/concept/sound shift for a new generation to start (but ofc this is all my personal opinion and I understand why some people believe 5th gen has started)
I think everyone are annoyed with new jeans being brand ambassadors because kpop have been giving the ambassador title to just anyone lately. Like it’s a bit annoying and it’s making the whole kpop idols being brand ambassadors thing not very interesting anymore. Like it should be something that rare and yet you see almost every kpop idol in a big name magazine
i really don’t think that’s something to be annoyed abt though 😭
2:16 REAL BCUZ ITS NOT THAT DEEP, just accept your faves aren't the "newest" thing out and there is more to come.
I’m just surprised 5th gen started that fast tbh, maybe it’s also because my sense of time is warped due to the pandemic🫠