kpop opinions that need to be heard (like actually, letâs talk)
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 2. 06. 2024
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0:35 disclaimers
1:01 the opinions đ€
8:10 letâs talk đ
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@@leysthetic yea same
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Thanks for adding Xdinary Heroes to the playlist
I love the "Hey guys" from the robot voice immediately after the "YOSHI!!!!" thing, it's hilarious to me.
The "yoshii" is so adorable T-T
Say it louder: Dino is another main dancer of Seventeen besides Hoshi and shouldn't be neglected! He is sooo talented and has a huge influence in Seventeens Performances - thx for pointing that out :D
dino the now of kpop!!!!
in what world is seventeen underrated??? literally a top group
I think ppl mixed up underrated with underappreciated đźâđš
I didn't even know who they were until some while ago.
Fr, they are literally part of EBS in Korea
@@kellykimbi9101 yes they are.
As a Kpop fan from 2017 there was been a time where seventeen weren't as popular as they are now (internationally) so I guess I can see why people are saying that but now it's just weird because of how much there fanbase has grown since then
You are so right about the body thing. And to add to that, I see a lot of people use the excuse that they are worried the idol has an eating disorder and they want to bring awareness to the situation, but commenting on their body is literally the worst way to bring awareness. I have heard from several people who have had eating disorders that when people comment about their body, even if it is in concern, it only fuels the eating disorder and makes them think they are doing good. I understand that people are concerned, and many idols do need help, but please find better ways to address your concerns.
Yes people need to realize commenting on someones body does nothing to help an eating disorder, it only worsens it! It's a huge thing for people with eating disorders to feel proud when they have people concerned for them, or to be called any form of skinny, good or bad. They also disguise body shaming with concern very often
people are definetely getting the word "underated" mixed up with "underappreciated" for sure. for example, seventeen or treasure is literally so popular but i feel like the general public, some kpop stans who know of them, or even their own fans underappreciated their talent and hard work.
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Hongjoong "composed" one or two songs....No...he helped produce xikers whole album. (I could be wrong but that's what I heard) and I agree xikers and ateez are nothing alike, but both so good!!!
He has producing credits in pretty much every track of the album
@@liladune3961 thanks for confirming that đđ
@@misst1847 You're welcome âș
i agree people can be naturally thin and that we need to stop talking about idols bodies in a weird way, like calling them sticks or saying they look sick, body shaming them is def not helping at all
kpop idols are often put on extreme diets, and thats not healthy at all. Many idols arent naturally thin, they were forced to eat little food causing them to lose alot of weight, i think people should be allowed to show concern or talk about if someone is unhealthy because it can cause so many bad things like deseases, injuries, and getting tired more easily, and i feel like its important to spread awereness about it, but please stop body shaming idols! Its their companies fault for not giving them proper food
Exactly! I've stated multiple times at multiple places that people should stop voting for Han Yujin on boys planet! That boy's been on the show for a mere 3 months and he's been sexualised like a 1000 times in such a short span of time both by the show and the "fans"! And people would say to me that "oh it's not his fault" "but he's talented" "he'll be upset if he doesn't debut" Wtf? I know it's not his fault but you can clearly see how much this show has damaged him mentally AND physically ALREADY! Give him a few years, he's talented, so he'll come back stronger both mentally and by skills. The young boys and girls who choose this career path often don't think about the bad things. For them it's the glamour that matters. They think about the love they'll receive, the talent they'll show off. For them, it's perfect! They are too young to think about all the aspects. Imo, they should at least be 19-20 yrs old before entering this industry.
nah fr, look at how lip j is acting around him, she gives me the creeps honestly.
also it reminds me of seunghwan who is from what i heard considered "too old" to debut (that man i literally turning 23 this year, how is that old in any universe)
@@lou434 they consider even 20 TOO OLD these days! I don't understand HOWđ
All idols are gonna get sexualized no matter what they do or how old they are and 16 year olds have been debuting since 1st gen but u guys have a problem with him when he should be allowed and the people sexualizing him need to stop
@@brennathecatlover4360 you need to get real, just because something has been happening for a long time doesnât mean itâs right. ofc debuting at 16 is little better from what weâve been seeing in the past few years with 13 and 14 year olds debuting left and right but still this industry is no place for a child. you people continue to ignore the idols who say they regret debuting so young, that they wish they couldâve enjoyed their childhoods and they wouldnât want their own children to debut in this industry so young. they were kids who were in over their heads! reprimanding people from sexualizing them isnât going to stop the sexualization, the only way to protect these children is by only allowing adults to debut. the sexualization will likely still happen but at least theyâll be a little more mental prepared for it and can hopefully speak up for themselves. a big reason why debuting children is popular is because theyâre easy to manipulate and mold into the perfect idols. itâs alot easier to normalize inappropriate behaviour around a child than with an adult.
@@brennathecatlover4360 child marraige was a thousand years old "tradition". Why do you think that was banned? Idols like boa who debuted too young have spoke on the topic so many times. Yet you guys think that just because it has been happening since 1st gen, it should happen in 5th gen? Be fr right now!
Opinion number #7! I 100% agree
It is color theory actually and have something to do with skin undertone and visual weight.
A person can not look good in every color. Some people can really look good in blonde. I can't pull off blonde, like not at all it just washes the color out of my face. Black is my color. But black doesn't look good on everyone too. If you want to dye your hair, check beforehand whether it suits you or not.
There's both warm and cool blonde tho
I think on the ballad thing a lot of groups either throw in ballads for the sake of it or arenât good enough vocally to pull off a really good ballad. Certain groups pull off ballads rlly well.
Yeah, I can't decide if Xikey or Oh My Gosh is my favorite, but the whole album slaps and idk what people are saying about them being an Ateez dupe. Like SO many producers cross produce different groups and no one is out here saying that Dreamcatcher, Trendz, and Ateez all sound the same because they have producers/writers in common.
thank you for saying these about idols debuting as minors and people commenting on others' bodies. I love you, hope you have a great day and know you're one of the good ones!
I literally HATE when they started debuting minors. I was like "đš" when Ni-ki debuted and HYEIN!??!?đ€Ż BRUH!? 2008!? When KQ debuted Xikers, they waited until most are 18, which is absolutely amazing of KQ.
@@eud4emonia âstartedâ? They been doing this.
@@Chaewonsolostan ik, by started i mean when everyone noticed it đ€š
How tf is Seventeen underrated when they just got 4M pre orders for their new upcoming mini album???
thatâs what im saying đ
I think ppl mixed up underrated with underappreciated đźâđš
@@multifandomwantstochill they really do.
People be like
"My fav is underrated" đ and then that grouop sell millions of albums, wtf are you talking about
But yk they really can be in a much better position than they're in rn..like fr..they have achieved great milestones in Korea fs..even internationally but still..you see how hardworking they're..I sometimes think that they deserve more than the "Big Bg&Gg" groups..fr..they're just insane man..like woozi being the composer..I wouldn't be exaggerating but I think Svt should at least go for Grammys even for once..my life will be successful..they deserve a lottt frr
@@tushitasinghh you can't expect Seventeen be like BTS but Seventeen is doing extremely good, their world tour was very successful, they are one of the best kpoo groups and the 3rd biggest bg of the 3rd gen. But I appreciate they are huge without making that much noise
i just want to say that yunho from ateez is so underrated. he's a great dancer (dare to say that he is the one of the best in 4th gen), but also he's a talanted vocalist. yunho is very stable in live perfomances and his voice is a pleasure to ears. he can even rap! and he is just a handsome man overall. đ€ i barely see people praising his talents, which is sad. hope he will be getting more fans with future comebacks because he's getting better and better! and i'm glad that ateez are gaining more fans, looking forward to see their comeback, i've heard it's gonna be something on another level
So true!! Agree with everything you said yunho deserves to be recognised more for his talents
I wouldnât say xikers is an Ateez dupe, but I can definitely hear Hongjoong and Ateezâs producers influence on their sound. Iâm curious to see how their music will evolve in future cbs.
I agree with you about what "underrated" is supposed to mean. It's often being used to mean "this is better than you realize" which I've just grown to accept.
Dude Xikers are pretty dope!!! I agree with debuting children!!! should not be a thing. Honestly I agree with most of these!! Purple Kiss is definitely underrated as a group honestly.
I terribly miss NMIXX's "old" sound. Dice and Tank were (and still are) my all time favorites. Young dumb stupid was- honestly annoying. And although the music they are putting out is, well mid and ok sounding, the other sound they had going was sooo good and unique. Please bring it back đ§đ§đ§đ§
I agreee their first few songs people didnt like them but atleast they were so interesting and its turning to bland choruses
Can y'all stop with the "nmixx need to bring back mixxpop" they just didn't do mixxpop in only one song, seriously stop complaining and saying that people will only make y'all look stupid and embarrassing
What the they literally had one recent comeback with a concept change????? I canât with kpop fansđ.
â@@Suzutheone Me too, it is a BOP!!
do you like dash
I think nmixx was bound to fail in mix pop this comeback where they left mix pop behind was their most successful track yet ( and imo love me like this is a great song and I am excited to see what they r going to bring after it )
I don't think seventeen are underrated at all! They've sold 4 million copies (pre-order) of their newest album that is coming out next week I believe, they're well respected, they've been awarded for their achievements most of the time, their songs are literally everywhere - I just think that maybe because they're a 3rd gen group, that for someone who's mostly a 4th gen stan or is a fairly new Carat it may seem like they don't appear quite as often as other groups online or aren't talked about as much?
i agreee !
Someone said in a comment exo is underrated and rainism is an underrated song like bruh
@@SadiaIslamShouki no someone said exo was underrated like bruh theyâre one of the most popular groups in Asia đ and rainism is the song everyone knows lmao so it gave me the same energy as âsvt is underratedâ lol
@@SadiaIslamShouki i think itâs bc they havenât released music as a group for a while (the last time being 2021) so it makes sense that they arenât in these conversations as much. itâs still ludicrous to call them underrated bc they WERE the biggest boygroup for like 4-5 years after their debut and the fact that theyâre still quite popular after being on hiatus for almost 2 years is amazing.
Blackpink is biggest Gg in world yet they have 2 million album sales.i don't get how is it possible becz I know Blackpink has most dedicated solo stans and 2nd biggest fandom is blink but Group's like SVT and nct has many album sales i think it's media play as it was reveal that Nct fans mass buying just to break record and for photocards.i remember newjeans breaking record of album sales during predebut đlol let's be honest nobody knew hybe was debuting gg at that time đ.
Hybe payola again.
Literally the only people who don't think BTS paved the way are bitter kpop stans. Actual idols - the ones benefiting from it - have said it time and time again. Bangchan from SKZ, Jihyo from Twice, multiple members of SNSD, Hoshi from SVT, Taehyun and Yeonjun from TXT, Monsta X, Loona, Rain, Psy, Sunmi, and I could keep going.
Saying BTS paved the way does not suddenly take away any achievements other kpop groups have made. All it does is acknowledge that BTS putting in the grunt work to break into the western market has made it possible for kpop groups to do things they wouldn't have had the opportunity to do if BTS hadn't busted down that door. It will not kill y'all to admit that BTS paved the way, I promise. Put aside the weird hate boner you have for them for two seconds, I beg.
Iâm not even a bts Stan, but I donât understand why people are so bitter about them? They think admitting bts paved the way = insult to other groups
@@instaz0908 actually it's probably how some of the way they were talking about this.. I both agree with you but sometimes they actually trying to insult other groups. I have seen plenty stuff trying to bring down other groups by saying that (even when some of the groups were talked are literally friends with BTS, which makes me kinda mad) without any damn reason. It's a good thing that BTS reach that level ngl, but in a way PSY did that as well. And I thing it's both of their work who actually listeners actually invested to reach kpop as a new music level to listen.
'Saying BTS paved the way does not suddenly take away any achievements other kpop groups have made.' This is the key point. Many toxic ARMYs do indeed weaponise the term 'BTS Paved The Way' when dragging other kpop groups, and belittling their successes. BTS undoubtedly paved the way (like Seo Taji and Big Bang did for BTS) and I doubt we will ever see anyone have the same impact as BTS- but sometimes toxic ARMYs need to also put aside their weird hate boner for every other kpop artist that is not BTS.
But arnys love saying Bts is the only relevant group and only they paved the way when they didnât
BTS only broke into the western market successfully which by all means is considered the most important. BUT kpop was already massive in the east way before BTS even debuted. I would even venture to say Twice was more popular in the west than BTS was until 2019/2020. So, I don't discredit their success but whenever this debate pops up I always say, they only one who paved the way is Lee Soo Man, the creator of Kpop.
Ok thank you for addressing some important things as always. To (more briefly than I could...) weigh in:
1. Debuting young - it's hard enough to be 14 without international scrutiny, and the power imbalance between children and the companies/parents/etc. genuinely concerns me
2. It's one thing to be concerned about the kpop industry enforcing strict beauty standards regarding weight and another (completely unnecessary thing) to comment on individual people's bodies in the process
...aaand 3. SO MANY IDOLS LOOK GOOD BLONDE wth
I completely agree with the term underrated being overthrown a lot where it starts to lose its meaning. If anything itâs more of under appreciation than underrated.
Hongjoong actually wrote the lyrics for, composed, and arranged ALL of the Xikers tracks (except for the lyrics of Dynamic, which was an instrumental and didn't have lyrics, and the arrangement of Dynamic and The Tricky's Secret which didn't have arrangement credits) on their debut album, according to the credits on the sampler video released by KQ shortly before the album was released
#6: yes and no, coming from kakao isn't the immediate exposure coming from a big4 company is, but there's absolutely benefits in terms of budget, which is huge. prettier mvs, prettier/more varied outfits, more money to put into promotions, and industry connections can't be understated in their importance to potential success of a group
#8 "they did it for money" no shit??? every single group is for money. companies are not debuting groups out of the goodness of their hearts or for cultural enrichment or whatever, they're doing it to make a profit. even the most artistically inclined ceos care about profit, because we live in a society and money is required to produce a kpop group
#9 too many idols who have debuted young have gone on to say they should've been older. if anyone is gonna be accurate about whether or not it should be happening, it's the people who lived through it, and they're showing up with the opinion that it shouldn't happen. there's also gotta be discussion over how the infrequency of group debuts (generally at least a 4 year gap between groups of the same gender, and that's in the big companies with the most resources) pressures young idols to take the first chance they get
#11 bts did a lot for kpop, but damn if the fanbase hasn't been trying to tear up the road behind them. peace and love to the armies who are normal people, but i'm always going to remember when a radio station announced they were going to start doing a kpop hour, only to cancel it because they got so much backlash from armies mad that "kpoppies are benefiting from bts' success" or whatever
the weight thing... i will always say that every company could completely stop enforcing diets, and a huge number of idols would still end up with eating disorders. it's not just avoiding being rude when an idol gains weight, it's also about the praise for being thin. it's the thirst comments about tiny waists and abs, it's about who gets called body goals and who doesnt. company's enforce diets because they know what consumers like. idols aren't stupid, they know what those standards are with or without a company enforcing it, and while plenty of them would be able to ignore that, plenty of them will also choose disordered eating and exercising if it means getting treated better by their audience
Opinion number 10. You explained it so well, i couldnât agree more đ
Rant incoming: Its soooo annoying when kpop stans call a group "underrated" when they really arent, the word has lost all meaning, i saw someone say so many big4 groups are underrated. If anything its really weird to call a people with lots of achievments underrated and in a weird way downplaying there avhievements.
Like please save the word for actually underrated idols, just because your fav isnt as big as you want them to be doesnt automatically make them underrated, underrated is VERY nuanced and has a lot of factors that go into it.
Also the way kpop stans will call a group underrated one day, then they achieve new records now theyre "so proud of how far theyve come" then they go back to calling them underrated. But when you say anything bad about them them the stans will list off their achievements.
Literally no carat calls them underrated unless their a new carat whoâs been in the fandom for like 2 days so chill. And I seventeen is not underrated at all, however I think the correct word is under appreciated! They are discredited all the time even though they are probably one of the most talented groups out there. That level of sync plus those insane vocals plus completely self producing and to quite an extent self choreographed too! That doesnât get talked about as much in the usual kpop scene, esp with some 4th gen Stanâs, army, and hybe Stanâs.
I always use "underappreciated" rather than 'underrated'. I just still don't get the meaning of underrated đ
6:09 I agree thatâs exactly why I donât support groups that have minors in them, some people are really shocked that I donât listen to new jeans
kpop stans who say bts didnt pay the way listen - this doesnt discredit any other idol but saying they didnt discredit bts of the harwork nd the troubles they had to face breaking into the global market
Opinion 10: I agree with your response. Just because "its always been a thing" doesn't make it okay. A wrong is still a wrong. People want to act like it isn't a big deal but it's not safe for them. Have we learned nothing from idols who we lost too soon because they couldn't keep up the act of being an idol? It is harmful to beexposed to the toxicity of groomers on the internet as well as haters as well as stalkers/overly obsessed fans going above and beyond to get tooo involved in a child's life. If we don't think a child is old enough to be held liable for things, them "choosing this life" should also not be something they are old enough to make that decision. In an industry where plastic surgery and sexualization for concepts is normal, a minor should not fit in that category. Cookie is just one example of adults making bad decisions regarding kids. Lets not play dumb about what kind of audience is probably being appealed to by them having long dark hair and school uniforms. We have to live in the real world where we need protect kids. This isn't new, but it isn't right. Look at Wonyoung, we are lucky that she built up the confidence and self esteem of being Iz*One's maknae or else I can't imagine what would've happened if she had to deal with the hate she receives for EVERYTHING. WHY are we okay subjecting kids to this? We can wait. There is no reason we can't wait for them to debut.
ANOTHER THING I know a lot of groups have large age gaps but minors and mid twenties shouldn't be in groups together. I love Le Sserafim but we already saw backlash of certain dance moves in the Fearless mv being done because Eunchae and Garam being in the group. Le sserafim has a concept that is giving a specific image so its working in their favor to not co sider the age gap between Sakura and Eunchae. But for Baby Monster, if they wanted to do cute concepts or more mature concepts, someone is getting screwed over. You can't do mature concepts with the 13yo and even Jeongyeon from twice admitted she got embarrassed doing cute concepts at 20. BM has a 20+ member. Why should she have to do kiddish things? It is unnecessary and the minors can wait to debut. The companies have plenty of opportunities to showcase their trainees and build hype without debuting them so freakin young
Anywau, sorry for the long rant. Stan Fifty Fifty, a group that debuted all as adults. This should be the norm. Not the people attacking that one dude who is set to join NCT because he is in his 20s. THAT SHOULD BE THE NORM
I was just thinking about that the other day. On one hand I'm glad that Le Sserafim now only has one member that is a minor but on the other hand I wonder how did Eunchae (and Garam to some extent) end up in that group with such a big age gap? I wish they had done like what sm did with Yeri and waited for her to be older to join the group
Ä°n somewhere, I have asked "are there any underrated K-pop groups you know?"
Half of the replies were Ateez,there was one Mamamoo and one Stray Kids.
So I just happen to consider that the word "underrated" changes according to the person's view. Like I have some groups that I consider underrated,but a person can come up and say "they are so much well known if you consider their music is trash". But what makes me a little bit annoyed is that people are stating it like it's a fact. Anyways,thanks for reading it and waste your time to my opinions, if you did. Have a nice day.
I kinda agree with the mamamoo one tbh
@@kstiecooper I actually do kind of agree too I just don't agree with skz one and maybe a little bit ateez one
If I get asked "how many K-Pop groups do you know?", I happen to name groups not a single 4th gen stan knows about đđđ
I respect your opionions a lot and agree too, keep up the amazing work
I admit Iâm biased as an nmixx stan but I think itâs stupid that people are saying theyâve thrown away\lost the mixxpop comeback, itâs been one song that was still described by the members and company as mixxpop, and besides, their previous brides havenât had the change up so itâs not even like itâs that different
Opinion 12 I def agree with you BTS definitely PAVED the way
Those who disagree actually needs to understand the meaning of Paved first
There is a group in every gen who paved way for others 3rd gen bts was the big thing and the most popular eg of what you can call "paved way" before them it was big bang,shinee..I'm not hating or anything but its not smth new..
@@sruthynadhh3144 I cant see anyone talking about bigbang and shinee in the west as much as BTS. BTS has become a household name. even if youre a kpop stan the word related to kpop first is BTS. even people not interested in kpop say BTS if you ask them about kpop
â@@riddhiranjan2435Because K-Pop fans today call every group other than SHINee and EXO irrelevant
i totally agree with the age debuting one! i find it interesting that when western artists, or u could say all non kpop artists, debut or become celebrities at young ages, it isnât really a problem among fans and the audience. i wonder where the line is drawn, cuz any child of any industry is likely to be taken advantage of, mistreated, etc.
i hadn't really thought of that and that's super interesting... I think for me it's about the nature of the job - being a 'western' celebrity obviously includes being famous and all the pressure that comes with that, which definitely is bad for children. but being a celebrity can mean you're a singer or influencer or actor, and being a kpop idol is a completely different job from that, and the industry doesn't have a parallel anywhere (in my opinion). being an idol includes so many subtalents and jobs, creating a whole personality, having a 'visual' and the dieting and beauty standards that come with that...... and countless other issues, and all that is not something kids are capable of dealing with. so while child stardom anywhere is concerning, i think that's why debuting child idols is so much worse.
Yk u are the only k tuber i daily watch ur calm, honest and u rarely swear! Ty
let's start actually talking about groups that are underrated rather than saying our faves are underrated just because we think they should be MORE popular than they are. as a recent stan of an actually underrated group (nine.i), I've found it's one thing to have a group you think should receive more recognition, and it's completely another for a group to be legitimately underrated and unknown.
i say âweâ because iâm guilty of this too, but i donât do it anymore because i know better now
I miss Everglow so much đ„čđ„čđđ
I see your point about Ateez's success and popularity. But I do still think ATEEZ are underrated in that they are frequently left out completely in kpop commentary about 4th gen groups, despite their success. I've seen this a lot (not on your channel!) where TXT, Enhypen and Stay Kids are almost always mentioned, but its often crickets when it comes to ATEEZ. They are also pretty underrated in south korea too. I was surprised to see hardly anybody knew who Ateez was in my trip there.
Or maybe I mean underappreciated? I don't know, I get confused LOL.
underappreciated, not underrated.
@@yupsostfu thanks â€ïž
@@hrtsfrmnsg ye i get you completely, thanks! And ye it can be frustrating as an atiny sometimes knowing they deserve more but yes ill agree that they are not truly underrated in the strict sense of the word.
@@hrtsfrmnsg i donât really think skz is underappreciated at all, they just have a polarizing sound that some are bound to hate while others are bound to love.
Itâs the same with treasure lol.
I love you so muchđ youâre so real for thisđ€đ
The definition of underrated should be cherry bullet. Just give their songs a chance you'll not be disappointed
Debuting young is not good, but also can kpop stans stop with the hate against underage idols? Yall claim to be worried about them but are the first ones to attack them, just look at how they treat newjeans, hyein is the least popular and constantly being criticized for anything she does or doesn't yet antis claim to be worried about her...
YES MY DAY IS SAVED ANOTHER YOSHIFIED VIDIEO
I completly agree!!!
Also Hmm about the ballad one everyone prefers different genre but like i can enjoy a good ballad like The truth untold by BTS really good! But then again i listen to all kinds of music from k-pop to classical music
And so Yea everyone prefers different things
but Yeah i agree with all you said!!! Great video thank you its nice hearing some opinions that i agree with finalyđ
I agree with the ballads thing, I HATE ballads with a burning passion. like I was so ready for dojaejung to debut but I KNEW a ballad would come. I love them all so much but I absolutely hated âordinary..â the only unfortunate thing when your ult is a vocalist đ
as someone who loves ballads this makes me so sad to hear, especially when some of the best nct songs, imo, are ballads. theyâre such amazing vocalists i just get so excited when i hear them go all out vocally in their ballads! but to each their own ig, justice for ballads in kpop!
@@imani7979 I respect your decision for that! I will admit that some ballads I do like,, but Iâm not the biggest fan of like the super super slow songs. Iâve been getting more into vibier songs, so maybe in the future Iâll give them more of a chance đ€
I love K-pop ballads their so underrated
In regards to opinion #10:
Whenever I hear someone talk about the Korean music industry being 'toxic,' I always ask "Why do you support it then?"
Here's the thing: people may not like the concept of minors debuting in groups, but people are still lining up to fatten these record companies' pockets by buying merchandise, concert tickets and albums. _All_ of the profits that comes from the adult-groups' projects aren't going to _just_ these groups' needs. It is going where the money is needed.
i agree your statement and just like you said money talks, the only reason why debuting minors is exploding in popularity again is because these young groups are blowing up. if people stop supporting groups with 13,14yo idols and increase their support for groups that debut with adults, companies will take notice and shift their focus to debuting adults once again. we as fans have to talk with our wallets and streams and many people arenât doing that. however we also have to keep in mind that a large portion of the fandom are minors themselves and many do not grasp why debuting minors is such a bad thing, plus they find younger idols easier to relate to.
I left the K-Pop fanbase in 2021 after 4th gen stans basically bullied me out of it
I understand why some fans feel their faves are underrated, but they have to realize not every group will be a global sensation.
OMG THE WEIGHT THING. I AGREE 100%. i just hope people learn to shut up about weight forever in every part of the internet because unsolicited comments help NO ONEEE. if different weights are allowed to exist without people commentinng on it everything would be so nice
As to the opinions....
Personally I liked Xikers debut and album and see the comments more like how people talked about TXT copying BTS which should be a dead comment by this point and I hope will be for Xikers in the future as well. Just because a group is under the same label doesn't mean it is identical. Heck all YG groups have a similar sound but they are far from the same. I feel like a group needs to have a hot minute to let them develop. Talk to me after the second or third comeback.
Debuting minors is fine occasionally. But there have been so many times I have felt uncomfortable for them and any kind of remotely sexy content. I even felt uncomfortable seeing Treasure when they had the release for MMM. If I felt I could trust companies to not make kids do things they are not ok with, then fine. But we all know the nasty stuff that happens to idols. You are so right about exposing kids to all the toxic stuff that gets hurled at idols. I don't know if there is any protection from that.
Underrated would not be SVT, ATEEZ or Treasure. Underrated are for K-bands and any any group that has to have a song out for multiple months to even get to a Million views. Compared to BTS are they underrated, sure, but then so is everyone.
Liked the video. I like how you say when things are not ok.
If youâre talking underrated or under appreciated groups, I would say OnlyOneOf. The view numbers on their mvs are criminally low, and their upcoming concert I am going to will have like 500 people at it. But their music is sooo good, and they are doing things in kpop no other group is doing. And they all debuted as adults đđ». Their eldest member was 27 (international age) and their maknae was almost 20 at time of debut.
The Ateez concert I went to had 17,000 people, so no, not underrated or under appreciated.
Strongly agree with opinion #12 . Kpopies argue this because of their hatred for Bts, but everyone and their mama know this in S.k Bts paved the way and thatâs not an opinion but big FACTS!
As long as you donât use it to hate on other groups, feel free to use it!
another day, another fantastic toria video, are we surprised? the answer is no
thank you sm đđ€
@@yoshified_ yes ofc bff
i absolutely love rockstar by xikers!
especially sumin's verse omg
you slayed đ»
I really wanna go blonde once in my lifetime but I am so kinda not having the opportunityđ€Ł plus I liked what you told about xikers like those kids are good in their own way and comparing their songs and ateez`s is so dumb .And imma say svt is my ults since last year and they really well appreciated like its really kinda offbeat to say; they are underrated. and if it wasnt for bts ; me & lets be honest most of those who say bts didnt pave the wouldnt have know about K-popđđ€Ąfr and seriously why people hates ballads so much like I am hyperactive person but I love when groups release album having different types of songs. Like in ateez late 2021 they released the real and also there were turbulence and be with you few more tracks and I really liked how you could get all of those vibes in one albumđ I LOVE BALLADS IN KPOP like they are my therapists if its banned I will be in miseryđ
and yeah dino deserves more recognition coz I was stunned seeing him and I also only knew about hoshi. dino really is so cool and I want him to release more covers in his danceology đđ
also like genuinely- expergo and love me like this are still mixing genres?? it's just a bit less jarring and more marketable. love me like this is a mix of different genres. if you really pay attention to the song you can hear it.
Dino is such an underrated dancer
honestly love me like this is still mixxpop, they've described it as mixx, but I totally agree that I think they should continue to have the harsher changes in the tts
ngl, i like superm and got the beat becauseeee its a combination of all sorts of sm idols that i absolutely love
i agree with most of your opinion i really don't understand why people think the top groups are underrated But if they get to know groups like KINGDOM and E'LAST and many other groups, they will understand the meaning of underrated
And Talking about the bodies of idols and even people is very awkward
I love your videos â€
While i like dice, i would not mind if they never do mixxpop again. Whatever songs nmixx makes, as long as it is good and showcases their vocals, i'm fine with what they decide to do next. I feel they have more to show us, and their best is yet to come.
the xikers & ateez opinion doesn't make sense to me because they have little to no similarities if you ask me. and like you said xikers definitely focuses more on rap while ateez is more vocals.
People just say anything..... anyways STREAM XIKEY & TRICKY HOUSE
i missed watching your videos so much omg
I personally think girl crush is dying and it kinda ends with EVERGLOW which is pretty sad. It makes me sad thinking of what EVERGLOW is going through right now, their company is not doing the best for them and I feel for them a lot.
I agree with u with everything.
Also I have noticed that lots of peoples/kpop fans says that treasure ateez and seventeen are underatted but they aren't. Seventeen I srealy popular and every kpop fan know them. Ateez is alos pretty popular bcs for their pirate concepts (that I love alos if I don't stan them) and treasure is really popular in Asians country's. Thinking that these groups are undarreded its like saying bears can speak.
(BTW srry for my bad English)
Maybe this is bad but whenever people say "BTS paved the way" I always think, "No, the black people they were heavily inspired by paved the way" đ
i mean youâre not wrong đ
in terms of kpop though
its a kpop related video bro
I'm here for your pending blonde era. đșđ€đ đż
on the Ballads thing. i like them. under the condition that i'm feeling 70 different negative emotions.
I just love this girl she's so fearless đđ
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@@yoshified_ yes gurl u split facts slayyy
Again you proved that You CAN BE TRUSTED . You are litterally my most favorite K youtuber for a reason . You are not salty or delusional at all !
Actually you are the only K youtuber I follow ATP , I unfollowed others
nah genuinely i couldn't imagine ateez performing any xikers song, people are going to do the same thing they did to bts and txt, compare them until the end of my days đ
kinda unrelated but I don't see any reason these very young idols have to debut at their age-- except the company wants them to start earning money earlier. Like to us kpop stans, does it matter if an idol debuted at 16 or 23? (they all look so young anyway) These trainees can definitely use a few more years to improve their skills and mental strength so that they have an easier time in their future idol career.
I think society as a whole is too obsessed over "young success" and we kinda forget how the young millionaire/world famous star is a huge minority. We don't see the people that fail or get their mental health ruined.
i lowkey agree with banning all ballads even as bsides because sometimes the ballad bside just ruins the entire album for me like i can't rank it high anymore because of one song. However, i believe in some exceptions as long as i'm the only decider on which ballad gets to be saved
Like some ppl have to come to terms with the fact that their faves are not âunderratedâ, theyâre most likely rated quite appropriately đ€·đœââïž
I wanna talk abt the weight thing bcz I'm naturally really skinny. All my life I've heard ppl talk abt my body being unhealthy and me being too skinny. I'm a picky eater so I avoid food that are ''standart'' but I still have a balanced diet and bcz I am a picky eater I avoid food that would truly make me unhealthy. I also eat a lot (at least for my body type) BUT I DO NOT GAIN WEIGHT and growing up with ppl telling me my body is not healthy when I'm doing fine is just heartbreaking. I do not care if you ''care about my health'', you're hurting me and making me insecure and honestly PARANOID abt my body. I DO NOT GAIN WEIGHT BUT THAT IS *NOT* AFFECTING MY HEALTH AND IF IT AFFECTS IN THE FUTURE IT IS STILL NOT YOUR BUSINESS. These ppl really wanna ''care'' abt you but once you tell them you're fine and tells them to stop bcz you feel bad they do not care abt you.
*Keep your worries to yourself. I guarantee you we, naturally skinny ppl, are naturally caustious abt our bodies bcz of idiots like you who claim caring.*
I ofc agree with your opinion abt minors and their debuts(actually i agree with most things yous said but i want to specifically talk about this)but i just hate the fact how everybody noticed just now in 4th gen and how ignorant some were about it when it was happening in other gens. Also as much as we talk about this issue and we agree it's wrong i doubt they will listen to us and stop debuting minors i think to somehow convince we fans need to do something big so they would notice. This is coming from a fellow teen.
i think itâs just abt the fact that gen z actually cares abt these types of issues, not only with kpop but like with everything in general. right though, they probably wonât listen to us, we would have to do something to get the whole kpop industryâs attention which seems nearly impossible đ
@@yoshified_ Yeah... but it's just a bit *sad* thought how all the older idols who went throught same were overlooked i mean BoA saved SM from being bankrupt at 13 but no one bet an eye then and they probably founded it normal...
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eee are you watching fantasy boys ??
i absolutely ADORE the guy with blonde hair in the clip you used (jin myung jae) !!
he is my 3rd pick after junwon + daehyeon!
oml heâs one of my picks too đ€§
@@yoshified_ yay that's great! i really admire his passion and hard work, despite battling with asthma >,
i mean, the number of older idols who debuted young who have publicly spoken about how it negatively impacted them should explain it all and yet kpop stans will still do mental gymnastics to justify these companies and what they're doing.
I loove ballads that the only moment of vid when i'm not clapping to you queen but i guess its just me being an old hag đ
the first thing i thought when i heard xikers debut song was that this sounds exactly like an ateez song so i get where theyre coming from. specifically the mixing on the song, its so ateez
i genuinely can't hear it at all, maybe im tripping đ
I also felt this way. I feel like it's the instrumentation. It has a lot of similar elements to Ateez title tracks.
Kingdom and Pixy are actually underrated đą
Well said
Hard no on the ballad opinion. Some of my favorite kpop songs are ballads. I looked forward to EXO's christmas ballads every year and wish they would do them again. Ballads only suck for kpop groups when they don't have a strong vocal line (which alot of 4th gen groups don't because they're focusing more on choreo don't @ me). Seventeen, EXO, Shinee, and Monsta X all have amazing ballads.
Sameeee I love me a good ballad (Iâm such a sucker for anything sentimental)
good vocals or not, they're just usually always so boring đ
@@yoshified_ Which ones have you listened to? My favorite genre is EDM, but I'll always love a good ballad. Probably just haven't heard any good ones.
@@SpaceRain have you heard blue and grey?
seventeen is not underrated. as a carat, I'm very proud of the success that seventeen has and I think that it's disrespectful to say that they are underrated and aren't popular because they are and they deserve all of their success.
but, it's a whole other thing to talk about them individually. all of seventeen's members could be main dancers in other groups. any carat could tell you that they are all strong dancers. yes, a few are standout performers but all of them have the ability.
I need the light YASSSđ„đ„
Seventeen are DEFINITELY not underrated đ€§ I love them of course, but a group I consider underrated and will ALWAYS preach that they are is A.C.E. They are insanely talented and I wish I found more people who appreciate them bc they deserve the world đ
I think they mixed underrated up with under appreciated!
Btw I want to talked about what is crazy that people think that because of being outside of a big company you aren't a known famous group. I can think about some underrated groups in my opinion and still people disagree with me.
Both got and superm gave us some really great songs it was something only sm could pull off because they have the most active groups it was a new unique concept that I loved but I wish got would have got as popular as superm
Taeyeong with his back injury should not have not be put in superm. Idk it just makes me mad that his back injuryâs caused him a lot of pain
I agree when it comes to the xikey and ATEEZ thing! The only way Xikey and ATEEZ are similar is choreo-wise. Certain songs from xikey have choreo that give off ATEEZ vibes imo. But that's it. Saying "ateez dupe" is a reach.
Also, about the minors debuting thing. I think that minors definitely shouldn't debut because of the psychological, physical and emotional distress it brings. But I see a lot of people saying that netizens should completely boycott the group and I don't agree with that. I feel like that would just mess up the idol's emotional state more and maybe even aggravate them. They worked so hard and went through all that training, singing, rapping, dancing(which they shouldn't have had to, but they did, it's a done deal)and other draining things, just to be boycotted because of their age. I just don't think it's right. I think we should accept the minor-having groups that have already debuted, and try our best to think of a way to prevent more minor-having groups in the kpop industry.
Are people saying Seventeen,TXT,Enhypen are underrated?
Letâs see some underrated groups :
Drippin
Golden Child
Cravity (I donât think they are nugu but they are obviously underrated)
Rocket Punch
CLC
Lovelyz
Tempest
These groups even struggle to sell 100.000 copies with their albums
Poor CLC (This is an example of group who deserved better)
Seventeen,TXT,Enhypen are popular
I think they are more underappreciated than underrated
the biggest pet peeve for me is full grown adults who stan a group who has a majority of minors in it. i feel like i can't judge any 14 year old for stanning a group like newjeans or thinking debuting young is okay, but if you're an adult full on supporting these groups i don't know what to tell you all...especially when their sexualization and the base to their foundation is not even hidden, it's in plain sight. 'good music' is not worth the exploitation of minors! saying you disagree with something and then going on about streaming it is a bit hypocritical, in my opinion at least.
we all definitely choose which issues to fight for, so i know a lot of people genuinely care about it but will never do that extra step because it's not /that/ important to them, so it's all okay, just thought i'd share my opinion here as well ~
Which is why I always avoid groups with members in it who are younger than me, though ATEEZ happened to be an accident for me to get into. I always support groups with grown ups and I always avoid minors, which is decent to do
I personally agree with your opinion regarding Enhypen
Iâm so surprised some people compare Xikers & Ateez. I honestly thought I was the only one who didnât hear Ateez in Xikers and could EASILY differentiate the two. Itâs kind of insulting in a way since Ateez has been building up their own sound since debut, only to then be compared to a sound that sounds like your usual edgy hip hop sound? No hate to Xikers, I love their music as well as them as a group and individuals. Iâm just pointing out how annoying it comes across. Theyâre different.
I don't really know anything about the groups you mentioned other than Kep1er, but I hard agree on your last opinion. People should stop commenting about people's bodies, positive or negative, please stop.
Honestly i avoided kpop bc i didnt want to support minors debuting into toxic environments then i realizes that it wont do anything bc there are millions of fans that will eat it up neverless, especially the korean media, even if the foreign fans dont argrree as long as the k netizeins agree then kop will continue so the best i can do is support them.
nah up! main stayer
Teenagers debuts is problematic.. When they get debuted they get sexualized.. Let them debut after 18 yr.. Noone get ruined Noone efforts dont get ruined