ranking kpop fandoms because i havenât done this before
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 30. 05. 2024
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0:00 intro
0:40 disclaimer
1:16 engenes - enhypen
2:45 nctzens - nct
5:12 moas - txt
6:34 atinys - ateez
7:44 kep1ians - kep1er
8:33 teumes - treasure
9:21 blinks - blackpink
10:40 luvitys - cravity
12:49 swiths - stayc
14:20 midzys - itzy
15:22 onces - twice
16:29 carats - seventeen
17:26 dives - ive
18:07 mys - aespa
18:56 stays - stray kids
20:13 armys - bts
21:59 outro
tags đ·
#enhypen#nct#txt#ateez#kep1er#treasure#blackpink#cravity#stayc#itzy#twice#seventeen#ive#aespa#straykids#bts#fandoms#kpopfandoms#kpop#kpopopinions#yoshified - ZĂĄbava
im in every fandom that i talk abt in this video btw except for enhypen, i just felt like adding my story and my experience with engenes to bring awareness abt that whole situation i talked abt in my video. but i literally talk as if iâm not in any of these fandoms for the whole video, from like an outsiderâs perspective, and idk why đ anyways i hope you enjoyed the video â€ïž
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love your videos, you're one of the chiller ktubers bc I have seen some crazy ones-
please continue doing videos
I'm a engene and I must tell u I had a fight with so many racist enegenes my blood was literally boilingđđđ
(I mean was I wrong or nah?)
I was debating if i actually wanted to stan enhypen because of your experience which totally sucks, but iâm trying it out and i havenât seen much. also i will totally be your friend as a fellow dive đđ but this is the only social media i currently have lol
â@@haechae_I think it's just better not to go on weverse
being a multistan is sometimes so difficult, especially on social media, like the fan wars are so unnecessary
Extremely unecessary fights.. they are literally scaring away new stans.
im a staytiny and stays and atinys fight on a daily basis.. imagine how tired i am lmao
@@panna2857 i stan way too many groups for my own good. i feel you, its a struggle đ
@@panna2857 the way skz & atz are friends & here we have the stans coming for each other's necks :) Like, wooyoung & changbin are literally besties. Seonghwa & Minho might be friends too since they did exchanged numbers.
@@armystayvillainatiny6706 tbh not to sound rude but just bc they are friends irl doesnt mean the fandom has to be too
I legit choked on my boba when you said Carats go into hibernation. I mean, it's true, but not really hibernation. We just go on a Going Seventeen binge đđ
Isn't this the truest words ever spoken đ€Łđ€Ł
I literally thought the exact same thing when she mentioned that in the video. Going Seventeen is the best!!
Ain't that the truth
FRRR Literally binging Going Seventeen rn đ
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the stray kids explaination was very true. Im a strong stay and seeing people give death threats on chans lives, death threats to hyunjins shorter cut hair is crazy to me. I dont know what make some stays act like this, but im glad its only a small percentage of us. Not only for sry kids, i honestly agreed to all your opinions cause you lowkey had a pointđ im black and the whole engene thing is crazy to me aswell. this vid ate fr, thanks for itt
As an Atiny. Iâll definitely apologize for some of us being annoying like that. The fandom has been dealing with a lot of bs with fanwars to the point that itâs begun to feel like weâre purposely being ganged up on. This unfortunately puts a lot of us perpetually in defense mode. Especially when it comes to wanting Ateez to get more recognition.
I will say itâs interesting to see how different peoples experiences with fandoms can be. At this point the only fandom I trust are Carats. Love them to infinity â€. And Monbebes are cool too đ
@UTOPIAPP You get it lol. But I definitely hope we get to a place where we donât have to worry so much soon.
@@utopiapp945Agree!
I became an atiny last month and everyone has been so nice âșïž
Hi, IÂŽm a Stay but I love Ateez!! Mayfly 4EVER đ„°đ„°đ„° I think Ateez is an awesome group full of energy, funny, talented, original, and more, you just have to be patient (as a fandom), I believe theyÂŽre going to go as far as they want đ€ as Chan says everyone has their own pace, letÂŽs enjoy the ride!!! and most importantly, letÂŽs support each other!! Go Staytinies!!! đ
I'm atiny and I couldn't agree more with your comment.
agreed. weâve been through hell (literally) with other fandoms that gang up for no reason whatsoever to the point that thereâs a lot of trauma. we just want people to love them as much as we do and see how talented they are bc they feel like they are left behind at times đ„șđđ»đđ»
As a Carat your comment cracked me up lmao. It is kind of true that majority of the Carats don't really engage in hyping up seventeen everywhere (me also guilty of doing it). Mainly because there's no pressuring from the fandom. It's pretty chill most of the time. I'm in Seventeen reddit and literally the people there are so chill. And about the fourth gen thingy, it's also funny since many non Carats thought they were fourth gen because some people didn't knew seventeen debuted way back because they only have known about them after hybe acquisition. So it's kind of an inside joke nothing serious lmao đ
Lol fr
Pov: You're an army, a stay, a moa and an engene đïžđđïž
I really like being a carat because I feel like the fandom is just so chill. No pressure to constantly stream music, no pressure to vote, just âyay comeback!!â phase and the middle is chilling watching Going Seventeen. Iâm glad to have found the rather chill fandom to be the fandom of my ult group. Though carats tend to bathe in their title as the ânon-toxicâ fandom and be rather proud of it.
The only fandom however I TRULY consider non-toxic, which has sadly been lost, has been of my other ult band NUâEST. Iâve never seen a LOă E do literally anything, no starting stuff, no pressure in anything, and considering them the elder brothers of Seventeen, Iâm also considering the fandom a more matured version of Carats
Us carats don't hibernate, we're just busy rewatching GoSe I swear đ
It's a ritual for usđ
As a newer kpop fan my opinion on what makes a fandom toxic is
- rivalries with other groups
- controversies (that make toxicity obvious)
- solo stans (an unhealthy amount that make a point to hate on other members)
Thereâs other things that go into a toxic fandom but those are the things that really make me reconsider liking a group
Solo stans arent the real problem, most are pretty mild and unproblematic. The problem happens when someone who is already toxic becomes a solo stan, cos when that happens they hate on other members just to prop their chosen stan up on a pedestal, all to get some petty superiority complex going
@@marianne9221 that's why I included the 'make a point to hate on other members'... generally in groups, I like all of the members but there is one where I really like only one or two people
I wanna start by saying this is a genuine question. Why does a fandom dictate whether you like a group or not? It's just something I cannot wrap my head around - people deciding a group isn't worth their time because of the fans. To put my perception into perspective, it's is always all about the music for me. So I genuinely just can't understand why people decide not to like a group over their fans. Would love to hear some perspective on it from someone who feels that way. â€
@@calicokaels tbh I was talking more about following the variety shows or extra content, stanning stanning so to speak. If I like a song from a group, I'll put it in my playlist regardless if I actually follow them
@j2das9684 Still don't really understand that, tbh. It's still letting the fans influence whether you enjoy the groups content or not. Like, how does a fandom being toxic effect whether it is enjoyable to consume the content a group puts out, music or otherwise? I just really can't wrap my head around it. /gen
The best fandom for me was carat. Carats are really funny and savage. There r not many toxic carats (I haven't seen any since I joined the fandom and it was months ago), carats don't take small things seriously either like other fandoms do. I enjoyed being carat the most.
And I bursted out laughing when u said carats go into hibernation. Also it feels so good to see people appreciating carats in the comments
As a Stay, I genuinely thank you for your input about the fandom and SKZ. Yes, we do have some toxicity in our fandom (just like any) esp. when it comes to overprotectiveness, but at the same time, considering their popularity, exposure, and, therefore, their bigger risk at being hated online (emphasis on online, because I have literally never seen anyone hating on them IRL, like all my friends who are into kpop are stays), the fandom has been through a lot. So I understand it too.
I think the boys will be fine, at least I hope they will. They are one of the biggest, if not the biggest 4th gen group out there (ok i might be biased here lol) and they have hundreds of thousands of fans who love them WORLDWIDE. They are adults, and so I'm sure they KNOW that the unprovoked hate online is in no way the reality.
Anyway, thanks for sticking up to my long paragraph lol I had a lot on my mind. Love you all
finally someone with brains who can see stays are the way they are because kpop stans love to jump on the skz hate bandwagon
carats are the chillest fandom. we just binge going seventeen and hang out with each other. we kinda just stay around other carats bc we know we arenât toxic
I don't even stan Seventeen, but come on putting Carats below ARMYs is just..... Carats (and monbebe!) are literally the nices fandom there is. I feel safe around them lol. Other fandoms just drag my ults constantly, but these lot are so sweet and welcoming and super nice to multis!
monbebe are so nice fr
I remember my first encounter with carat was someone calling jhope a h0rse as he said something related to "horanghae" or whatever it is with thousands of likes. Carats were behind the accounts of multiple hate tweets :(
I just keep seeing really weird and shady tweets from them towards other groups on Twitter :/ itâs probably a marginally different feeling inside of the fandom but in my experience carats have been really nasty
She literally said at the BEGINNING of the video that this is based on her OWN experiences. Did you skip that part?
0:40 here you go
@@Isabina18 ye? And im sharing my experience and opinion on that. Kind of how youtube comments work.
the way skz is treated by kpop stans is truly disgusting tbh. the fatphobia, the racism etc.. like
Tbh I love skz not a Stan but Iâm a casual listener but the reason I wonât be a stay is because how toxic the fandom is and stays wonât admit it đđ
@@HyukaThingzz they are definitely toxic but i have seen worse fandoms than them
as an engene i'm so sorry you had to go through that. i remember when that happened - before the fandom was so peaceful and fun and i felt like we were one of the calmer, saner fandoms lol (i've stanned since debut and the engene fandom was always so easy to be part of) and then all hell did break loose with the heeseung situation. i'm not black, and i was genuinely so disturbed by some of the stuff other engenes were saying - the stuff they posted on weverse was so nasty and i remember chatting online with black engenes and there were a lot of people who left the fandom. the engene fandom since then has definitely been toxic - all the scandals since have not gone over well either, but luckily it's a small (albeit very vocal) minority of toxic stans. i totally get why you left though and i'm sorry you had to deal with that. the week of the heeseung incident is forever ingrained in my memory cuz of all the vlive and weverse chaos
Ranking these fandoms based on my experience as a lesbian and black person (I stan all these groups)
16. My
15. Blink
14. Engene
13. Nctzen
12. Kep1an
11. Midzy
10. Dive
09. Swith
08. Moa
07. Teumes
06. Army
05. Stay
04. Once
03. Luvity
02. Atiny
01. Carat
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based on ur experiences but mys rly arent that bad lol, they j get mad as hell when u insult their favs and they do the same back
Yea same all my interactions with Myâs have ranged from slightly unpleasant to straight up horrible maybe Iâve just been unlucky but the amount of messed up stuff Iâve seen myâs say online is just insane
Awww Carat Here đđ
@@carmen_chuuu5224 fr
ngl your experience with armys made me smile hard. the way you explained how you and the one next to you were holding hands and wiping tears made me realise how even strangers are united under the name of "armys", just because of BTS. ykw even I was crying watching them cry after armys sang young forever for them. idk how many times I've watched that clip and I swear to God my eyes still sometimes get teary watching those.
yeah like i will forever see armys as a real big family đ„șđ„ș they are literally have the sweetest relationship with each others :(đ·
I think itâs so super interesting how different the experiences with kpop fandoms are. For me, I absolutely love carats, they are the nicest bunch I have ever seen anywhere, let me hug you! And for your top two fandoms.. I fear me being an atiny relates to that and it only ends with me seeing the worst sides of Armys and stays and itâs sad. Sometimes I wonder where yâallâs energy is coming from to beef on social media. Iâm just glad that I find enough energy to get out of bed in the morning. Well, anyways. That was an interesting video and I just hope the kpop world will be less toxic in the future. Iâve lost enough of my nerves over it..
As a Carat, I Had the worst experiences with ARMY and STAY because a Lot of them were so disrespectful with Seventeen. Specially with FML Comeback.
as a stay, armies are definitely the worst offenders for attacking Stray Kids and stays. Especially since theyâve been on hiatus. The MAMA voting period was an absolute dumpster fire between the two fandoms
I think if I were part of a different fandom I wouldâve had a different experience with armies. But the toxic ones come after us a whole lot (and vice versa tbh, stays arenât innocent lol)
for me i mostly see moas and nctzens hating on skz. i've also seen my fair share of armies. but yea that whole mama situation was something else đ
Well I have seen stays wish BTS to die just cuz they didn't win the award they wanted so đ€·ââïž
@@kuntalasen hence why I said stays arenât innocent
@@kayiscrispy mhm everyone see's different things and has different experiences! most of them are on tiktok and twitter tho.
@@closerkives0613 in all the community posts and stuff it was that armys were the ones cheating the votings. we stays didnt because cheating was just wrong almost all stays agreed and ive witnessed it. im not the only one who knows about thisâŠ
actually thank you so much for putting stray kids on the top, bc i've seen so much hate on youtube and tiktok with the words saying that "stay is the most toxic fandom" , "everyone in skz are untalented and flops" and it's just really hurts knowing what they've been through
it's funny watching people call stray kids untalented when their favs have everything done for them by their company. no hate to those groups because ofc all idols have insane talent. but skz is just next level and that's why i have so much respect for them. i mean cmon the guys have like 144 songs credited to them and they're succesful with what they make.
i know right,, it hurts so freaking bad with all the fandoms coming together and hating stray kids
untalented? Lord, I'm ArmyTiny. I'm just blown away by Stray Kids. They are super duper terribly talented. It's hard for me to convey my admiration for them, but I'm still not a Stay. I'm not a multistan and it's hard for me to focus on a few bands đ . BTS is not active and is promoting solo, and ATEEZ is active, but I would like more content with them, otherwise my ult bias Hongjoong will cease to be ult bias and I will finally fall in love with Han and will become Stay. Atinys knows how jealous Hongjoong is and therefore I will be faithful to our Captain, I will not look at other oppa đŽââ ïžđ§Ąđ€
Im ngl I've had so god awful experience with stays đđ
â@@HyukaThingzz toxic stans exist in every single fandom. You're a moa so ofc you'll mostly see tweets regarding your fandom where some are arguing and defending txt. I'm a stay and just joined twt last month. Trust me when I say this, the sheer amount of hate tweets I've seen from moas and literally almost every fandom against stays is insane especially since their comeback. I've had to block every single negative tweet for the sake of my sanity. Stays are literally everyone's punching bag on twitter. I've seen so many people admitting that they "hate" skz just because everyone seems to hate them. I like txt songs too but moas have been on our asses this entire time. Its only been a month and my block list has like 100 people already :')
as an army iâm so shocked weâre #1 i personally though armys were gonna be placed low since thatâs what 90% of ppl do iâm happy to know you havenât had a horrible experience with armys before
armys are a mess at times lmao and it's rare for pple to appreciate the good side of our fandom so I appreciate you for doing that. I genuinely love being an army nd the community that we have but I can also understand how stressful it must be for fans that are constantly on the wrong side of army twitter and tiktok. LOVE YOU VIDEOSSS
As an Once I feel armys are so warm...like whenever i go to Twitter i see many armys supporting my girlies....and i feel very happy
@@tisharahman3360 bro most of us respect and love twice sm. ESPECIALLY ME
â@@tisharahman3360ayo I sure as well as do, they're actually the 2nd group that I liked just after becoming an army, like there songs were actually soo good n I definitely enjoyed vibing to it especially the fact they all got very unique voices. Those r talented individuals N I love seeing them shine.
I honestly love that for you. I left the fandom back in 2021 and reading your comment made me realize that it was the opposite for me. I didnât love being an army anymore. From my perspective, the fandom was getting worse and worse and the songs were getting worse and worse. Being in the fandom was just stressful at that point. So after PTD I just left and didnât look back. I know that there are good ARMYs (i literally was one) but it was too tiring to try and find them.
Army really are a mess. There are so many great armys out there. But as an army, I have had so many negative experiences over the fact I like other groups. Whether it be just being told I'm not a "real" army bc I'm a stay/moa/etc (I like many groups), or it be me defending a group against hate... every time I have a negative experience I am discouraged in finding those good armys again. đ
iâm so sorry for the anti blackness you faced it truly sucks that racism plays a role in the media and art we like to consume and it affects our experiences
While I do love Nct, they are literally one of my two ult groups (Seventeen being the other one), I agree with your point. We definitely need to hold them accountable and try to educate them when they act questionably. Part of the fandom is just... ugh. Like, when Dream Nctzens and 127 Nctzens fight I just think WE STAN THE SAME DAMN GROUP and they are literal friends. There is enough fan-wars going on, we don't need to start one within the fandom.
I had an interesting interaction with a blink as well. They tried to tell me I was mysogonistic (I am a girl) because I said that I didn't really enjoy the Born Pink album and don't really follow any girl groups in general (I might start stanning Lesserafim, they are really talented).
I am a little surprised that Armys are number 1 but I can understand why. When I was part of the fandom, I literally only ever met nice fans. After I left tho, well let's just say I saw a lot of tiktoks of Armys being like "Bts is so much better than __ " and them bringing Bts into every conversation in the comments on non-Bts related tiktoks and shit-talking other groups. Just in general a huge amount of comparisons of Bts and other bg's but in a very toxic way.
I really liked the video, it was super interesting to hear your takes on some fandoms and your editing style is very appealing to me.
honestly as a big multistan but ult nctzen for over 3 years i really understand you so much and when she described abt nctzen in her video was so accurate like the nctzen bestie i have were like the best and funniest ppl i ever met and like i always have so much fun with them, but then there is like that 10% who is just fking everything up
mind you, lucas is one of my ults and even though the situation is kinda very complicated rn i was always silent i never jumped around in defending him NOR CANCELLING HIM or any of the neo boys in general
also a bit offtopic about the girl groups but i personally tend to gravitate towards girl groups more often than boy groups just because i love the varitey of concepts and musicality they do, and it might be offensive to say this but i dont like the way some people are hyping only a certain sound or concept and idk but i just see this happen way too much in girl groups like im seeing people who would cancel xxx group just because they aren't girl crush like blackpink and excuse me why does everything women related have to be girl crush or girl boss or wtv like there is nothing wrong with xxx concept and xxx sound but yeah its turning me off, or even in reverse when a group is not doing something girl crush and the other side is like "thank god they aren't trying to be men or bp" like EXCUSE ME AGAIN while there is me who is enjoying almost every girl group and sound- like idk im just confused why ppl are like that
Hey mine ults are also NCT and Seventeen đđđ
@@kashyapaina3784 Omg, hi bestieđđ Nice to meet you
@@Still_Dreaming26 Nice to meet you Joshujiđđ
Omg why is this true? I met a lot of kind armys when I was part of them back then in 2014-2016. But when I joined other fandoms like I have much horrible experience with them
genuinely thought armys wouldâve been first, but after you reminded me of what happened with engenes i can totally understand. iâm not black, (iâm asian) but i was so upset that engenes had the nerve to say the things they did. i hope youâve recovered from that whole situation
Can u explain what happened? I also missed it but the person who explained 's comment isn't there so :)
The fandom Iâve only really joined is Atiny and I think everyone is so nice đ
Everyone have different experiences, so I hope you one day can get a better experience.
I'm so glad for you that you can see army's and stays as nice fandoms
As an Engene, I am genuinely so sorry about everything you had to go through while being a part of the fandom. I wish that you were faced with the more calm side of the fandom that would not have treated you the way you were. I hope you the best and that you don't have to go through anything like that again! đ„°
i just donât understand how kpop stans act like ktubers have to have their favs in any youtube video ever. it always makes me upset when people send hate to ktubers saying âyou forgot ___â like the person is not going to make a 24 hour long video so they can include every kpop group ever đ
LITERALLYđ
my phone canât even handle 24 minutes to even do that, nevermind 24 hours
I'm a fat K-pop stan and the amount of Enhypen fans who tried to downplay their so obvious fatphobia was wild đ like they were being so openly fatphobic, and they really tried gaslighting plus sized people like we know what fatphobia is đ
Ikr I keep trying to tell them about how destructive their speech is, and then they got the "It was a mistranslation" excuse for EVERYTHING even if it was caught on camera with the right translations and subtitles :/
nah bc they fr tried to play it off as they were joking đ joking or not, that shit is still wrong
who gave you the right to talk abt someone elseâs body, NO ONE đ
the fatphobia is very much there.
@@yoshified_ I'm so glad I'm not the only one who KNEW what was going on and didn't blatantly ignore it. I've had a rough week dealing with engens :,)
@@yoshified_ I rlly wanted to stan Enhyphen too. The vocals, the talent, THE JAKE EDITS, they were all there if they weren't any bullying scandals, and an actually tolerable fanbase, I would be a Enhyphen ENTHUSIAST
no bc same, i literally used to ult enhypen but their scandals were just getting to be a little bit too much for me to handle âčïž
The only fandom I like are Nctzen because theyâre the only ones who can make me genuinely laugh and donât treat their idols like babies lmao. They arenât more or less toxic than other fandoms but like⊠at least theyâre self aware and funny
esp on tiktok like they always make my day
You guys are so lucky to actually communicate with people who like as well. I don't know anyone personally who actually likes kpop, so i have no kpop friends. I constantly get bullied for liking kpop as well. Seeing you guys have fun with other people who like kpop makes me feel so grateful for you, cuz you didn't have to go through a lot of hard experiences and pain just for having an opinion đđđ
well weâre in the same boat, unfortunately i am not friends with those ppl anymore đ
@@yoshified_ sorry bout that. i've never met anyone who does tho
You are so true with the hibernation with carats lol but sorry to those 'carats' who disliked HOT like wtf it is a bop no more debate. Carats are funny, chill, talented and pretty friendly too, they inherited seventeen's personality.
What is your username!?! đđ
No need to call someone who disliked one song a non-carat. At least thatâs what youâre implying with the aire quotes. Some carats just like the chill songs like in Ready To Love more while some just like the rather interesting music-wise songs more like in Hot. Neither is less a carat for disliking a comeback
I am a stay and I also hope that Stray Kids mental health is good. Because the amount of hate theyâre getting can really mess with their minds. And I hope that stays never stop being defensive because if thatâs everything that needs to shut every hater down, then thatâs what we are going to do. Btw I hope you are doing great! You feel like a nice person. đ
Yoongi did say fans grow with the artist, I think now many army's have grown up and there are more likely to be maturer armys that immature ones now. Armys are very slowly calming down but tbh it's nice to see armys within the fandom have good bond. Personally from what I've seen armys generally have a good bond with each other.Its nice to see someone ,even tho you are an army, appreciate the good side of a fandom
I think it also helped that the major hype died down, I feel like. Back then it was crazy how much they grew but it also meant that they had short term toxic fans which have now probably lost interest, while the long term, more chill fans stayed. At least thatâs what I personally think, Iâm sorry if Iâm wrong.
Being a multistan is so hard sometimes like having to defend the groups that you stan constantly gets really annoying. The amount of hate and death threats skz gets is so annoying like they get death threats for hugging each other or for just existing. Like the hate and death threats needs to stop and not just for stray kids but for every group it just isn't right.
I love your vids btw and I didn't know you were black now we have another thing in common. đ
No way Swiths and Stays fought over fandom namesđ
hii
@@yoshified_ hii
they fr did, i couldnât believe it đ
đ hearing that was so funny, like i thought they were joking???? I was not a kpop stan yet when stayc debuted, so i was not around to see it, so i was surprised to hear about it
It was days after debut, before anyone even knew what a STAYC was. There were only like 200-300 english-speaking Swiths on earth at the time, nowhere near enough to trend. Stay hard carried.
i also have had such great experiences with armys!
the toxic ones i just roll my eyes at and move on ^^
( with all fandoms tbh )
as an atiny with atz being my ult, i am so sorry and i 100% agree with your reasoning. all of my comments in your videos so far were all about ateez and when you upload a video with ateez not included in it i can see shit ton of comments attacking you it was so embarrassing like.... i genuinely feel happy when you compliment them and i hope other atinys would understand that ateez's discography is NOT for everyone especially since they make music that follows their storyline. they have their distinct sound and if a person doesn't like it, they would not be able to enjoy it. simple as that
itâs not even like that though, like ateez are my ults but i have a lot of ults so forgetting them or any other group that i like is bound to happen đ i just keep track of too many groups
@@yoshified_ how are ATEEZ your ults but you forget them? If they arenât your ults then? Itâs okay to be casual listener and fan. You donât have to label every group u like your ult
i have a lot of ults, like i said. im a casual listener of many groups, ateez isnât one of them though. i consider them to be one of my ult groups. i donât label every single group i like as my ults bc if that was the case, i would have way more ults then i claim to have. im only human, forgetting someone sometimes is normal, especially since i have a lot of groups to keep track of, 29 ults to be exact
Unpopular opinion: Army and Stay are monsters created by the K-pop community. Now everyone is sitting around pretending they have nothing to do with what these fandoms have become, but many of you took part in their rebirth.
When a fandom sees constant baseless attacks on their group that are not condemned in any way by other fandoms; when in all fanwars you remain guilty, even when they were provoked by others, you get a feeling of isolation and injustice.
On all platforms, K-pop fans are happy to discuss how terrible their experience with Stay or Army was, but when these fandoms talk about their experience, people love to say that they deserve it. No matter how terrible the experience of "toxic fandoms" and their faves is, there are always people who will find excuses for it.
I have seen many times how ordinary fans become irritable and suspicious, because people constantly pretend to be a part of their fandom (Stay, Army, Blink). A huge number of people say terrible things while ptetending to be a part of one of these "toxic fandoms", portraying the good guys in the main accounts.
It is enough to put Hyunjin's photo on the profile picture and you can say whatever you want. Even if you write that you stan 150 groups, all the aggression will be directed at one - Stray kids.
I've seen how easy it is for people to cross the line with certain groups because you can freely hate them, that's what everyone does. And if their fans attack you, everyone will be on your side, because that fandom is toxic, so they are always wrong.
There are countless examples of fandoms uniting against one. And no one thinks it's crazy because they teamed up against the "bad guy". You think that you are some kind of Avengers, but in reality you are just coward bullies. No better than those horrible fandoms you point your finger at.
It's very easy to generalize the big fandoms, but I'm sure aggressive fans in each one are no more than 1%. But the larger the fandom, the bigger this 1% become. 1% from 10k and from 10M is not the same. But there are always more good fans. You may see only the bad side of some fandoms, but fans from other side have the same expirience with your fandom too.
Exactly!!
hypocrite
THANK YOU!
Army's lol They only fight with Blinks.stays who tf are they??
I'm curious about people's thoughts on Monbebe. I've been one since 2015 and they've always seemed pretty chill to me. Because Monsta X are friends with a number of other groups I've seen Monbebes supporting those groups when they have a comeback. And I don't run into the forced streaming nonsense very often. Also I feel like if the fandom started getting toxic Kihyun would give them a very stern stalking to.
I recently became a Monbebe like 3 months ago and my experience with them has been pretty chill. Iâve only met nice ones so far and as someone who is on stan twt a lot that was very rare and refreshing. There were like a few that pissed me off but mostly the fandom is cool and their friendship with carats is absolutely adorable
I think itâs important to separate the behavior of fans in person and online. Iâve gone to several kpop concerts and have found all fandoms lovely. Online though is another story.
I personally find ARMYs to be the worst online, and that is coming from a fellow ARMY. If I hear âBTS paved the wayâ one more time or when they complain that âBTS was robbedâ when they donât win every award (especially Grammys). đ
My favorite fandom to interact with online is lyOns (OnlyOneOf). We are a tiny fandom but literally every interaction I have had with another lyOn was positive.
i mean even though i do agree with both of those bts statements, i understand that it could get a little annoying. i honestly havenât met a mean army online either though, like everyone is usually super nice from what iâve experienced
@@yoshified_Then you missed a lot of slvt shamming they gave bp over a Spotify mistake that why Iâm not in the fandom Iâm my own armyblink
I like BTS and BP But in Lisa's case, and the spotify army cross the line too much, accusing her of sleeping with the executives, insulting Lisa's family.
And I didn't start with a small fan club because I'm in the BTS group. The fan club has more than 2 million followers. And he was the one who started to insult Lisa. I really can't stand to look down on other women.
@@yoshified_ which is the source of #sorry Because the Korean media published news about the toxicity More than fit for BTS fans . After Lisa attacked IU because JK was her fan
Their fandom Used to be one of the best out there. I personally think spring day era was the best it was honestly amazing. But around fake love era I noticed a big change in the fandom. I think they mightâve become to big. Everything became crowded and massive. Nothing against Bts self but they also became different not especially in a bad way but things just changed. Around boy with love era and on I personally did not feel like I was in the same fandom anymore and left, had been at the edges for a while by then.
I'm honestly shocked to see seventeen carats lower than stray kids stays on here. I always thought they were all wholesome angels that show up only when it's time to stream and vote
i love when you acknowledge stray kids TT
thank you for talking positively of stays. I'm a multistan but stay is my main fandom and skz do get a lot of hate for breathing and it's just unfair they haven't done anything wrong. thank you for defending us being defensive!! most of us just really love our boys and we're all really nice for the most part!!
Ateez also get hate for just breathing. Literally. Like Choi San actually did get hate for breathing heavily in a performance LOL. Stays and ATINYs should be friends, we really do have a lot in common. Hate that our fandoms are always fighting,
@@purpleantidote6120 Wait, really đ wtf is wrong with people to hate on someone for doing a normal bodily function...
The last 2 was so wholesome , this was so interesting to watch and I'm happy to hear your opinions !
Being a multi, with stray kids as my ult and the main group I talk about, has truly shown me sides to alot of fandoms. But everyone should remember just because you have a negative experience with a member of a fandom doesn't mean the entire fandom is like that.
I would definitely say army is the most toxic fandom, at the same time I would say they r most kindest, most supportive fandom...becz the things they do like donations etc, no fandom does this bro...just say u r an army, to an other army , even if u r black, or gay or whatever that doesnt matter to them ..they will make u as his /her bff with in minutes
ARMYs are super lovely in real life but absolute pits of hell online. The way they drag every other group and even their own fandom. The PTD era was traumatising. So much gaslighting and guiltripping. People could barely share an opinion without getting attacked and cancelled. I also love Ateez and have sadly seen ARMYs constantly call them horrible names or discredit them as 'copycats' just because they are also from a small agency. And also being a multi ARMY is absolutely forbidden compared to other fandoms. Like they literally have 'no multis' on their profiles. I've since learned to stay off ARMY twitter but to continue talking to ARMY friends I have made in real life.
Sorry to hear thatđ I'm blessed to be on the right side of army Twitter ig even as an Armymulti. From what I see, we usually don't move unprovoked and it's usually only directed to stans not the group members we are fighting. The multi hate is insane but it's mostly passive aggressive. if you still enjoy BTS music, please continue to love them and support themđđ
@@dannygoldson603 Oh no sis, Armys definitely move unprovoked all the fucking time, because the tiniest thing is a provocation.
@@Moonlight_Shad0w welp that's your own opinion and you're probably not in the fandom so yeah okay do you ig
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@@dannygoldson603 I was am Army for multiple years and I SEE what Armys do. You just said "from what I see",I provide you a different observation and you just dismiss that with "ugh you're not in the fandom".
Which I wouldn't have to be to make this observation
@@Moonlight_Shad0w lol whatever I say would be "ignorant/dumb army" anyway so I spared myself the trouble by replying that. I guessed you weren't army because of you seemed angry and I was right, ex army. So yeah, still on the rosy side of army ig
as a carat, i confirmed that this fandom is pretty chill and just supportive
love u carats
thank you for acknowledging the sh!t skz go through. like on kpop stan twt, one of the fastest ways to get engagements on your tweet is to insult skz for just existing. I just joined stayville on twt last year and some days its really bad and apparently things were worse for older stans (circa 2019). I just wish people would leave them alone because nobody is forcing them to like skz or their music.
love your videos btwâ€
My personal list , from most toxic to least.
Stays
Blinks
Armys
Midzys
Nctzens
Atinys
Engenes
Moas
Carats
My personal list from most toxic to least
Blinks
Army's
Stays
Engenes
Midzys
Nctzens
Moas
Atiny
Carats
I'm sorry you've dealt with toxic stays, although there's toxic stans in every fandom, I apologize on the behalf of stays.
@@thatweirdfangirl15 NAH ISSOKAY BRO DON'T APOLOGIZE, I'm a stay too, I'm all of those fandoms i mentioned đ. But stays are getting worse than armys tbh since skz is growing so huge. Especially when it comes to woojin
Carats are the least toxic anywhere
@@honeymilk3815 just comment once lee know looks better than hyunjin, you'll know what toxicity is!!
The video creator is really enthusiastic in promoting partiality. Because if moas are at number 13. How can stays, dives and my's be at the top.
I have to apologise deeply as an engene myself... to be honest, I wasn't even paying attention to social media at the time that drama took place, but just from the way you described it, sounds like absolute hell. I was so damn dissapointed at my own fandom when I heard about it, and I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I really wanted to be part of a peaceful, non-toxic fandom, and i genuinely assumed we all knew better than that, but i guess i hoped too high... can DEFINITELY see why that would ruin the whole image of the fandom :(
Also sorry for the crazy moas and atinys, I swear a lot of us are just chill and nice, but yeah some of them can be pretty...extra
On a lighter note, that's just straight up facts about the carat one, lol. We hop online for a month and then we just dissappear the next minute đ
As an engene, the only thing keeping me in this fandom is enhypen
Now Iâve met a ton of toxic Armys, but recently, itâs been mostly 4th gen stans that are becoming incredibly toxic. Armys are annoying, but are better than they used to be.
But also Atiny being so low makes me kinda sable as Iâve had a bunch of positive experiences with Atinys (we are not talking about the Ateez saesangs bc that is a whole nother can of worms) however your point you made makes a lot of sense. And I apologize for how my fandom reacted.
oh my god, stays situation is really bad,i expected receiving hate when clicking on this video đ i feel like all kpop stans hate us so thank you for being nice! And i agree, ofc there are toxic individuals in our fandom (just like in every other fandom tho) but all we do is just defending our kids. if you talk shit about them don't expect us to be nice to you but if you show respect towards them we are literally the kindest and most helpful people, trust me
as a stay i wont lie i was expecting the fandom to be like bottom tier cuz nobody ever looks at the reasoning behind the defensiveness the fandom has, its always "they pick fights with everyone" and the entire time that i was on stay twt, there was always someone starting shit UNPROVOKED and stays would, as any other fandom does, fight back. and i wont deny that they're not deserving of criticism, but as far as ive seen, they used to mediate fanwars a LOT back when the fandom was really small (2018-2020) because you know the amount of shit skz get for their music & whatever else reason under the guise of "they're problematic". i really dont see how stays are any worse than any other big fandom that exists out there because if you think defending the kids from racism ableism and targeted harassment is somehow them being "toxic", idk what to tell you
im not saying that there aren't harmless stays out there, but the so called 'hate train' you think they are going through is completely invalid. as far as i've seen and personally witnessed, they always provoke and pick fights with not just my fandom but other fandoms all the time. and my fandom has been through so much unwarranted hell bc of them. stays on twitter are completely deranged, they accuse our favs of serious matters like sa, bullying and are just overral nasty people. they cant defend skz properly. they are completely sick and the things they do to us are horrible especially since the allegations are fake and they know it. imo the hate they get is 100% deserved
i have no idea what you are talking about when u say stays are defending skz from racism etc because all ive seen them be is racist, xenophobic bullies, and its especially ironic when skz was actually involved in multiple scandals. stays dont care about anyone and have no morals outside of kpop
I really appreciate your maturity i'm glad their is some kpop stans that can express themselves freely while not dragging down other groups or critizing idols even tho we don't always have the same opinion that's what makes everyone so special that's what makes us different from others if everyone liked and hated the same thing life would be hella boring but like fr.
Finally someone that isnât biased and acknowledges the fact that armys are genuinely nice and people exaggerate, with the size of our fandom itâs almost unreal how good of a fandom we are
I feel so bad for you, this should have never happened and Iâm upset that it did. Iâm also not black but still. Iâm a semi-engene who kind of lost interest in them after 2022 and their fandom is certainly not helping anything. I heard some stuff about the heesung N-word controversy but I knew better than to get into any of that crap no matter whether it was genuine or not. This is the kind of stuff that annoys me, when fandoms cause new stans to be turned off of a group because of how toxic the fans are. Honestly you are a queen though for pushing throughâ€
Every fandom has and good and bad sides they'll always be nice and they'll always be toxic its more common with fandoms like Blinks and Armys because the bigger a group gets the more likely a fandom is to be toxic appreciate all fandoms and always separate them from the artist
In my personal experiences stays are the worst fandoms đ Theyâre always trying to put stray kids on top (kinda like armies lol) no offence to the nice stays but Iâm a moa, army and teume and all Iâve seen is stays going after moaâs ALL the time and even going after haruto because someone said that haruto is their fav K-pop rapper and stays started commenting about how heâs not as half as good as Changbin and blah blah blah and then they always say armies go after stray kids which is quite hypocritical because all I see is stays saying bts is overrated Lmao an other fandom that annoys me is army (even tho I am one lol) but that a WHOLE other story Lmaoo
The only thing I donât like abt stays is that sometimes they defend straykids even if they did something wrong and wonât take accountability for they would still defend without educating the members or how it was wrong what they did but in general they defend them bc they get so much unnecessary hate and thatâs completely understandable. Even tho I have this on and off relationship with straykids cuz sometimes I like them and sometimes I donât but their music is amazing they are extremely talented and they have unique personalities and they absolutely do not deserve all the hate they get.
@@hrtsfrmnsg Well your completely right abt ppl saying Chan or hyunjin were racist when what they thought they were doing was harmless and the never hated anybody by their race or has anything hateful either and even I never said or labeled skz as a problematic group or what ppl say they do is problematic cuz what Iâm talking abt is the fandom the gran majority of the fandom. I was saying that most stays have the tendency to say that something is fine like some of the things you mentioned and defend just they like skz not bc they care abt what they did but bc they donât want to see skz getting hate and itâs after a while when some stays have a breakthrough and get to educate skz abt what they did wrong. But anyways Iâm not an anti fan or anything of the sort just trying to point out what Iâve seen in the gran majority of this fandom and I neither want to down put your opinions and points (cuz they rlly are understandable and valid aswell as justify some fans who do educate them) but just trying to elaborate on what I was trying to say. Anyways pls have a good day or night and keep enjoying their music.
literally same experience as you (i'm black as well) with enhypen when all that stuff happen i genuinely had to step back from the group and even now i have a hard time stanning even though i like their music
you perfectly described why i had a grudge against swiths for a while (as a multistan but mainly stay) - i am now chill with swiths but your explanation helped me form my thought i couldn't grasp yet. thank you!
i'm an engene and i can def say there's rly toxic engenes out there, istg i want to beat them smts
Ong!!! One of the main reasons my interest in enhypen declined
@@mariwashereeee no same
the stray kids part is so true. the way some jobless kpop stans go out of their way to shit on them for literally breathing is ridiculous.
Stays also have their problems though. Not fandom Stanâs persee but I always see them comparing members with each other. Best rapper this, best dancer this, nobody can beat this visual. And if you challenge it you are dead. There is also a thing going in which some fans try to take members down which theyâre not biased to. Hyunjin is rude, jeongin and seungmin get hate for the weirdest reasons, lee know I donât even need to explain and so on . And ofc letâs not forget the woojin scandal which is incredibly weird altogether.
@@mayallyourbaconburn7133 I agree, stays have been getting insufferable as skz get more popular. Though as for the hate part you mentioned, people who put down other members in order to bring their bias up are usually toxic solo stans who hide behind an OT8 persona to avoid getting sniped. And ngl ive never seen seungmin or jeongin get hate for anything from within the fandom (even from solo stans) but that's probably because I'm on a healthier side of the fandom. But yeah, I've seen a lot of stays starting shit with other fandoms unprovoked and then act surprised when skz members get dragged.
@@mayallyourbaconburn7133 oh yeah and i agree with your point on the woojin scandal, I guess many stays were mad that he left at a very crucial point in their career which caused pain to the other members (han having to go on hiatus cause his anxiety got worse, hyunjin crying on stage, etc.). Also the fact that skz started pushing the OT8 agenda by re-recording their entire discography and mentioning "skz is 8" every chance they got really made stays think that woojin had done something that must've caused trouble or whatever (also that chan live where he kinda shaded woojin). But the way some stays went out of their way to hate on him was really bad. To this day I see fights between stays and woojin's fandom which is really sad.
@@meiyang9824 yeah Iâm talking mostly about solo Stanâs ot8 Stanâs are not as problematic in my experience they are a bit defensive and the internal ships are wild, they also get over sexualised but unfortunately that is normal in kpop ( minus Lee know who has very clear boundaries with fans and that seems to be respected) I personally donât care what happend with woojin but it really showed us the worst of our fandom. As for seungmin and Jeongin it is vey basic hate they all get hate from solo fans, pretty sure chan was even threatend a while ago in chans room, I also saw stays getting mad that he didnât give a âhug?â In His last chans room. I think this fandom is great I really do but definitely flawed, like what happend with Bts I fear what will happen as the fandom expands.
@@mayallyourbaconburn7133 Heavily agree with you on the ships and the sexualization part. The unironic sexualization of skz members that goes on in the fandom really puts me off. And the shipping- omg. "Hyunlix this" "Minsung that" like it's really wild and sometimes some fans cross boundaries. About the hug thing, I personally didn't see anyone get seriously mad at him for not giving a hug at the end of the live, most people were just joking around, but i dont doubt that there weren't any people who were genuinely mad at him. And you're right, with skz getting more popular every comeback, we're really witnessing the army-fication of stays. As the fandom gets bigger, the toxicity gets worse.
aww i love you for saying the things you said about skz and stay! đđ i was surprised when i saw them so high, but, nevertheless, it was nice to see ^_^ also, that bts concert must have been amazinggg
Hope to see another episode of ranking kpop fandoms đđ
i donât think i can, these are all of the fandoms im familiar with đ
@@yoshified_ nah cuz why is this so true I be wanting to make kpop videos cuz I know a decent amount of artists but barely even know fandoms đ
To put moas so low just because a few people in the comments were surprised that you don't like their cult songs? (for me your story sounds like this) , but to put blinks, stays or armys so high, where there are just a lot of uncomfortable people... I understand that the video's aim was in your personal experience, but in comparison with mine this video doesn't have much sense and objectivity :(
i mean those comments start to get annoying when they start to pop up every single video where i mention txt. like i said and like you said, itâs my personal experience. sorry that it doesnât exactly match up with your experiences, but like weâre not the same, so that wouldnât obviously be the case. you can think one thing abt a fandom and i can think something completely different based on our experiences. thatâs just how that works
I think a fandom is nice or extra nice as long as you speak positively about the group or their songs. But critique one of them and you'll learn what fandom is really like. Since I watched your ranking I can guess which groups or songs you liked before you made this ranking đ
You said it all !!!
THIS.
I disagree, at least for me personally. For example if someone said my fave group songs are bad, or they are bad at something, you won't see me attacking them... everybody has different taste and entitled to their opinion.
But i had my fair share of having different opinion to my fellow fandom mate and they got angry đ€Ł to the point calling me hater, like fr... I'm just not a delusional fan. But not every fans are sensitive
In that regard I would say carats and onceâs are the chillest. They will talk back but also respect it, if not other fans interfere very quickly they donât like trouble. Blinks scare me in that regard though eugenes and nctzens as well can be very fierce. Armies are a whole different story because there are just so many of them. If you piss them off no matter how many good once are there as well it will be a ants nest.
Let me start by saying I'm an army. I will not denied that we have our toxic side too but we as a fandom can be layed back and mind with our own worlds too. but when they being nasty on bts and start dragging them like their fandoms was not being mention but they are all in the comment section starting to dragged BTS when the person post, tweets or commenting is not an army and when we start defending them other fandom started calling us toxic but you all don't know why we became like this, you don't know were it all started but yeah I guess where toxic one. Have you all wonder why we became over protective about BTS it is because what they experience before and what they experience up until now not only with the media but with you as fans too. Open your eyes you talk like you know everything but in reality you now nothing. You all talk like were the most toxic people on earth but you can't say about the other fandoms also. Like what about blinks who keep on discrediting BTS success, who keep on attacking bts saying nasty things about them to the extend calling jhope a horse so is the other fandoms like guys we are not saints also we can be toxic too but don't single out armies like we are just the toxic one.
You all called us toxic but we are the one's donating to a charity, we build a strong loving family that even people who collab with BTS love us and acknowledge our efforts. Yeah we are toxic to the people who are toxic too but we can be loving persons too just like how @yoshified_ experience. When you experience our toxicity it means your a toxic person too because we don't go after to the people who have done nothing to us or to bts we are only toxic to the people who done nasty things to bts. (JUST LOVE EVERYONE)
Is that why you've bullied charlie puth, Taeyang and T.O.P? because you see people BTS collab with as 'family'
@@purpleantidote6120 huh were was the bullied come from? s far I know if you don't triggered us you will not see any bullying let me tell you this we never bullied taeyang VIP is the first one who exclude jimin and also blacklabel but when we start calling them out we were the bully I guess look where it is started not with biases
I am a engene, Moa, Kep1ian, stay, and army. I respect your opinion on the fandoms I mean there is some âfansâ that are Mean, and some fans that are really nice, even if you donât Stan a K-pop group at least you can respect there group.đ đ
idk what kind of tweets of teumes you saw but it must be fanwars tweets cause i promise im on twt all of the time and teumes won't be tweeting abt how trs is better than some group just out of nowhere without any context behind at all đ if we say trs are the best in this or that we never mention other groups and there's nothing wrong with doing that cause almost everyone fandom does it
like teumes get annoying and defensive sometimes but we have been through a lot with trs tbh. kpop stans bully them on a daily basis, always ignore them and never recognized their talents like kpop stans always let them out of 4th gen rappers vocalists visuals and dancers talks so teumes are always loud abt their talents but they never do it while bringing down other groups unless they are fighting đ
Right, everytime we are getting defensive it's only because some other fandom said ridiculous stuff in fanwars i never see us starting anything, and the amount of hate treasure gets for literally breathing is unbelievable in twitter so it's understandable too
For real. everytime i see in twt, it's bcs others fandom who started to drag trsr first and saying ridiculous thing. treasure getting hate train since 2020 until now is insane. like these boy just living their best life and then some stupid people throwing hate to themđ€Šđ»ââïžđ€Šđ»ââïž and when teumes start to clapback, those stupid people will use VICTIM CARD, they acting like teumes is the bad one here lol
I had the same experience with you with MOAs. I just said that 0x1 lovesong is their best song and they never surpassed it yet and then some MOAs were like saying as if I'm not appreciating their hard works for their newer releases. It was like a whole defense paper on how awful I am as a fan just by saying my opinion on the song. Same when I commented about a member and solo stans were like attacking me. Let's be real though, everyone had their own biases but majority of MOAs just can't accept it. If you're on Twitter, you can see a lot more of it.
i saw that and it's honestly sad like i hate it when we're getting more toxic
Literally TXT are my ults and I get so upset when others hesitate more to stan them all because MOAs push and force them to stan, saying how they âwonât regret itâ, âTXTâs the best groupâ etc etc. TXT is amazing, but some MOAs canât accept some objective truths such as skz being more popular than TXT internationally at this moment. I get they work hard but it isnât a reason to force me to listen to ALL their songs, you know? There will still be some songs I skip, but it doesnât mean I donât like their discography as a whole. I feel like weâre getting more toxic :(((
@@Skye00000 MOAs are one of those fandoms whom I can say are extremes. It's either they're the nicest and being so toxic. There is no in between. I've met a lot of nicest MOAs and it was such a nice experience but also encountered some toxic ones. đ„
@@anemone_0712 Iâve watched many toxic MOAs fight with stays and the stays often are right. As much as I want to support MOAs, I hate when defending TXT has become being blind to the truth
@@Skye00000 but how much I have experienced stay always start those...no offence
4:36 this is quite the surprising take on nctzens because i genuinely believe nctzens are one of the few fandoms where the majority holds nct accountable. this is coming from someone who has been an nctzen for years so itâs safe to assume iâve met nearly every type of nctzen. i was expecting u to talk about unit stans fighting over air pollution every 2-3 business days or the uncomfortable jokes nctzens love making. though i completely understand what youâre alluding too it was still a little unexpected. and to answer your question, no, yuta was not wearing a durag in the kick it mv. i think nctzens have severe case of ptsd seeing as people love making up rumours about nct, hence why they probably got defensive. which donât get me wrong does not justify them sending u death threats over u asking a QUESTION. i also wanna assume your experience with nctzens has mainly been on tiktok ? because tiktok nctzens tend to piss me off aswell whereas twitter nctzens are usually not as insufferable. also last but not least to clear things up as i stated before yuta was not wearing a durag, he was wearing a bikers cap. which makes sense seeing as the scene included bikes
About seventeen, does anyone remember 2018 when Getting Closer MV came out and Carats went BAT SHIT CRAZY about the video being posted on Pledis's channel? Felt like a fever dreamđ€
Lmao Carats and pledis have a love hate relationship (mostly hate though)
Pledis deserves it Ngl.
omg I love you so much for putting armys 1st. I understand why people wouldnât like armys from the crazy things we say when it comes to bts but army wouldnât get outta pocket unless somebody bashes bts. bts gets insane hate and itâs so heartbreaking to see our favs be treated so horribly. from the speed bts gave in 2019 or 2019 (is not sure) I feel like armys really wanna make sure this time bts is okay and donât go through what they did in 2018 or 2019 also đ€§ .
I used to be an ARMY (they're the only group I've ever unstanned) and I'm also a Stay and I've gotta say, I was very surprised with both of their rankings bc if I were to do smth like this, they would both be far lower on mine. My friends who got me into kpop were ARMYs and ARMYs exclusively (up until TXT debuted, and then they were also pressuring me to become a MOA) and they were also extremely toxic to the point where having them in my life made me suicidal and that's been smth hard for me to recover from ever since, even tho that was 3-4 years ago. Because of them, I'm generally terrified of ARMYs (which is why I unstanned them- even interacting with the fandom/fan content brings up bad memories) and people who claim to be kpop fans yet only stan one group/artist. However, I'm on tumblr and I do know one incredible user who is primarily an ARMY - she's one of the best people I've ever met on tumblr or in the kpop world - and two of my best friends are ARMYs (all 3 of them are multistans) so they're kind of restoring my faith in ARMYs with how nice and sweet they are. For Stays, I became a Stay in January of 2019- back when Stray Kids was OT9, and the whole Woojin debacle is what ruined them for me. However, I have nothing against newer Stays who joined the fandom after he left, or the ones who stayed out of the Woojin affair- I only have an issue with the ones who were Stays beforehand and still instantly jumped onto the train of "he's guilty" and sending death threats to him after the rumors of sexual harassment/assault without any real, solid proof. To this day, I'm still frequently distraught over the whole tension over Stray Kids and Woojin- and this is the only case of a member leaving a group that has ever really bothered me like this.
As a midzy, we are so sorry for this midzy behavior in 2021 đ
Btw we are trying to protect the girls when another fandom says rude/offensive stuff about them. So a lot of us get into really protective mode. We donât want the other members to end up like lia :( so we try really hard to fight off the toxic mys.
im sorry but putting carats below armys and stays is just unbelievable đ
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Like the only times I see "armys" as toxic y'all say is when others create unecessary drama unprovoked đ 95% of them are just replies to some vile convos lol and I noticed how they are mostly right đ
Like I can share a lot of experience with other fandom's that y'all get with army's sksk
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Yeah, that what I noticed when I started using twitter. Kpoppies dragged mostly dragged our boys anytime they can get, but yeah....Armys are this, Armys are that. Do they expect us to sit and watched our boys being dragged by them?? When all the time we're minding our business, streaming BTS songs, making Army projects, catching up their contents until kpoppies dragged our boys, then when we fight back we're the bad guys. If defending our boys is toxic, then we are. I'm aware of our fandoms toxicity too, but there's a lot of Armys who are not toxic, we even donate a lot (ex. Black lives matter). But yeah, in kpoppies eyes were the bad guys, the villain, and the bullies like they always portray to us.
you slay sm, i loved your opinions Abt armys, first kpop stan to actually know what's going on!
i agree with what you said about luvitys, cravity is such an amazing group but the different reactions to their old songs (mainly because they are the songs that made me a fan of them) really makes me wonder if people will stick around in the future
It's amazing to see how personal experiences are different for everyone. Even the year when you joined kpop is important. As someone who started listening to kpop in 2019, I witnessed all the Woojin situation in 2020. It happened when I was considering to become a stay and it was just so horrible, one of the worst online behaviors I've ever seen. It was even scary to see people claiming that they leaked Woojin's personal info and private pics... Since then, I can't tolerate stays. That picture of their fandom going crazy over a rumor and never apologizing when everything was proven to be false will always pop up in my mind, reason why I even lost interest in Stray Kids music.
MY HEART SKIPPED A BEAT WHEN I SAW ARMYS AT FIRST NEVER EVER SOMEONE SAID THIS TO US OMGGG I'M TEARING RNđ
As a multi fan I am so sad to hear when people go through tough, negative or right down racist interactions with the fandoms I'm a part of. We can genuinely see on shows like Queendom and Kingdom that the groups cheer for each other and wants what's best for one another. They applaud each others success and cheer each other on when another group succeed because the more you succeed the more exposure to my work and the things that I will hopefully achieve in the future as well. I wish that the groups fandoms could be like that as well. I stan 16 groups at this point and has been very lucky when it comes to not getting hate pointed forwards myself but I see other people get attacked and it really makes me sick and makes me want to un-stan the group and it's not the groups fault, it's the fandoms unfortunately. This is probably never gonna happen but I hope that the toxicity level in all fandoms could decrease until it's gone completely. Everyone should be able to stan the groups they want to without feeling like they're risking their lives. I am so sad that this happened to you and as an Engene, Moa, Atiny, Kep1ian and Blink I apologize on our behalf and I hope that we can do better in the future to all people who wants to join the fandoms.
Carats are the sweetest
Why carat said that svt is a 4th gen kpop idols as a joke that make sense
1- first svt is a 3rd gen boy group in this days it's hard to find a boy group perform with all members this days at least one or 2 members are on the military, and svt consist of 13 members they are still together since their debut , no one is postponing his military service, they are still yong compered to other 3 Rd gen boy groups
2 - svt still work hard on the entertainment side , they funny, know how to play games the have a good ideas for example going svt , TTT
3- their passion is still on fire the are still performing as new Rockies 3rd gen ones not 4th gen this day Rockies are different , svt's strong stamina , powerful vocals are raps are insane
And it was just a joke maybe because svt members have a lot of experience in a lot of sides in the kpop industry more than anybody in their age
Svt are still fresh
Exactly!!!
I really didnt understand what she meant when she said that like genuinely
Im new carat
they said that bc they said hot sounded like a 4th gen bg song, basically calling the song bad since apparently 4th gen boy groups music âall sounds the sameâ and âis badâ đ
Atiny here, I'm very sorry for the hate you received from us in your other videos. Like another comment said, Ateez gets targeted and ignored a lot especially since they are from a small company (things like "flop group from flop company"), so some atinys would get too defensive at times. I hope you have better interactions with us in the future as well as other fandoms.
Hearing your bad experiences with the various fandoms broke my heart, kpop is just really toxic in general. I hope you keep making videos like this in the future even if atiny is ranked low, because we all need a reality check and touch grass at times. Anyway you gained a new sub â€đŽââ
i completely agree with your opinion on dives and stays being defensive like the amount of hate ive gets for absolute no reason (just for existing at this point) and straykids being the nicest group and members are so sweet and getting dead threats is beyond me
fandoms im ok with (moas, carats, onces, teumes, reveluvs, swiths, orbits)
fandoms i had very bad experiences with: (stays, engenes, armys, nctzens, atinys, monbenes, blinks, kep1ians,)
fandom i find genuinely horrible (engenes)
I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with atinys, what happened and how can we do better?
It's so funny how you say that STAYS are defensive for a good reason, when all my experiences with them was getting d threads and quote rts saying that SKZ is better than my faves and slapping a pic full of achivements that SKZ got that Idc about. I would've put STAYS on the bottom of the list, because I guaratee you 100% that when you'll say that you don't like a song by them, they'll be on your back on an instant.
Not to mention STAYS quote re-twitting awards that other groups got and saying "Anyway, SKZ world domination!!" like shut the h*ll up alreadyyyyy.
not all stays are like that ofc
thereâs just more than usual bc skzâs fandom is really big, probably one of the biggest as of rn
and when i say theyâre defensive for good reason, i mean that. like i said, skz is literally bullied by everyone, itâs understandable that theyâre defensive.
im sorry that youâve had a negative experience with stays, but theyâre not all like that. and ik that bc i never encountered one like that.
@@yoshified_ Don't say that "not all stays are-" because the tweets have thousands of likes and rts....unprovoked....đ
Every group I stan had a hard time on their debut era and still struggle with members getting treated with xenophobic actions by Korea. SKZ are not special and this shouldn't be an excuse for their fans toxic behavior. Again, you're lucky to be on that 20% of actual resonable people from that fandom, but personally STAYS made me unstand SKZ because of how many stan wars they were starting with other fandoms just because the other fandom was praising their faves.
@@kaikaguya1509 Ooo you haven't been on stays twitter in 2019-20 do not talk about being toxic because literally every single fandom bullied Skz for just existing and getting thousands of hit tweet shading and hating on Skz.The amount of death threat they gets are uncountable so don't turn blind eye to it.Yes some Stay are toxic no stays will deny that but Chan constantly calls out their fans to behave.Belive me the amount of hate Straykids gets are abnormal because fandom literally bully a person just for listening to Skz
@@chetnaprajapati8972 no shit every group was bullied at the beginning, this is no excuse.
Aw I'm so glad you've had such lovely experiences with ARMY đ I know we're a big fandom, so there's obv gonna be unhinged ones, but for me ARMYs have such a wonderful community when we all get together. A concert with ARMYs is so different from any other kpop concert i've ever been to, the support and affection and gift-giving is just so special to me đ„ș also I'm so sorry about your experience with engenes that sounds so awful :((((
When StayC/Swiths came up, immediately I thought of the fandom name thing then laughed when you brought it up. Like, the only interactions I've ever had with the fandom was during that time. I don't really have an opinion on the fandom either way, but I'll never forget that whole thing.
On a sidenote: it's so sad how interactions with toxic stans can completely ruin our view of a fandom. Every fandom has at least a few (even the most chill fandoms) and it's so sad when their voices overshadow all the amazing fans in said fandom.
at first i was questioning why on earth you would put armys first, but then i sat and i heard your experience with armys at the concert and thought it was so sweet haha and because of that, i realised that ive only heard of toxic armys, but never actually encountered one.
as a yuta stan myself (he is my ult ult) I also saw the durag and was like ânow wait a minuteâ⊠it was probably the stylistâs choice but still, he didnât say no to it and he was uneducated! Everyone makes mistakes, so does your idols, get over it and educate them if needs be, no need to defend their actions bcuz u canât see your poor baby Oppa get backlash
putting some real awful fandoms so high while others that have not caused major trouble so low is so unserious đ
the video is based on my personal experiences, like i said. itâs not unserious, itâs just not that way you thought it would look