Queen Cleopatra: Netflix's WOKE Disaster (Review)
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Critics and audiences alike are joining hands and coming together to pan Netflix's woke Queen Cleopatra, quite possibly the worst docuseries ever made.
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“I don’t care what they tell you in school, Abraham Lincoln was black.” - Netflix Documentary coming 2024
So that's why he freed the slaves lol
"I don't care what they tell you in school, Martin Luther King Jr. was a transgender Asian amputee." -Netflix documentary 2025
As was the entire Union Army
@@RONNIEJNZN while obviously incorrect, there is a better argument for that claim than what the Cleopatra documentary did.
source the ghost of my great great grandpa
What I find funny is that actual Egyptians are complaining about this and they are being labeled Racist and Bigots....let that sink in for a minute.
Racist + bigot = Normal intelligent human being
The math adds up..
That's why I no longer pay attention to claims of racism.
Racism seems to be kept alive by those who claim to want to eradicate it
Black Leftists might just be the world's most entitled group.
Activists: we want to bring more diverse figures to the screen for 'representation'.
Egyptians: Why are you spreading fake news about our historical and political figures?
Activists: Our "Americanization" of your culture trumps your need for historical accuracy, bigots.
Can we FINALLY acknowledge the "activists" just spread falsehoods as a business?
Congrats to Jada Smith, she managed to co-create a show that scored lower than Velma. Utterly amazing. 😂
only a woke self-proclaimed strong woman can beat another woke self-proclaimed strong woman in doing what they do best (loose money)!
And lower at the moment then the last Airbender
I hate Jada Pinketh Smith
She is the only one that could have done it
@@davidhansen9792that show was awful tho damn.. they managed to butchered a great animated kid show..
The name Kleopatra itself is Greek, meaning "glory of the father", derived from κλέος (kleos) meaning "glory" combined with πατήρ (pater) meaning "father".
Did they not Rename the Messiah Je-sus meaning Hail Zeus? So why would we trust the Devil again!! 😂🤣😂
@@nakisharogers4555 The name Jesus or Yeshua in Aramaic literally means "God is salvation". Your sources are incorrect.
@@TechnologyHive right it's about the meaning of his name and not the spelling.
@@nakisharogers4555 What on Earth? No. Jesus is just an English rendering of the name Yeshua. His name was Yeshua. Iesos is basically a Greek type pronunciation of the name. They add the letter s to many names in Greek. For example, John is often Yannis in Greek.
@@serenity2010sh No, the meaning of Jesus is God is salvation. The Yeshua is the name. The Greeks didn't speak Hebrew. They add the letter "S" to many of their names. For example, John in Greeks is Yannis. What your citing is a conspiracy theory of people pronouncing names based on their culture.
Not only did Netflix not have white male scholars they didn't have any Egyptian scholars either. I'm guessing it's because all the Egyptian scholars know Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek.
Everyone except certain black nationalists knows she is not black.
No you got that wrong. She is of greek macedonian descent and was a full egytian. Even thought the royal families in egypt and other dynasty over the world liked incest to keep the bloodline pure, they still married outsiders.
Cleopatra was mixed by all means and only had greek blood primary but was by no means greek or black black.
She had however a quite striking mediteranian face from what we know.
By all means she looked more greek than african, but she was and stays by all means egytian
"And there were Jews there! Oy Vey!"
@@Volmest Uh sorry to disprove you, but (in my Maury voice) THAT WAS A LIE, her family practiced incest a lot, they married brothers and sisters (Cleopatra herself was married to her brother so that custom wasn't over when she was alive). They most likely did indulge with outsiders, but the incest was so frequent the missing info on her genealogy (her mother and grandmother) are generally assumed to be family members as well, not outsiders. With that said, it is possible her mother wasn't a Ptolemaic, but Cleopatra herself was a White woman, if she looked any different than her family members, Roman historians (who already didn't like her) would have mentioned it, her legitimacy would have been questioned as well so you would expect Roman historians calling her a bastard and other common insults of the time.
I agree with you on the mediterranean look, she most likely looked mediterranean, but her depictions do align with other depictions of greek macedonians such as Alexander the Great with big pronounced "roman" noses and big eyes.
Was Cleopatra Black? Some people were upset that the role of Cleopatra in a new movie would go to a Black actress. czcams.com/video/43-xiuATKXM/video.html
Netflix is trying so hard to go bankrupt
There's obviously a demographic for this garbage and they are happy to serve it.
The CEO and the creative teams should all be fired. It's been disaster after disaster and they just don't care to continue failing.
You haven't been paying attention to how ESG works. They already have your money when you subscribe, it's basically a promise to fund whatever they do. Cancel your subscription and they're still being backed by investment firms with a collective wealth in the trillions.
@@stinkfinga4918 ESG, wasting retirement money and Soros funds like they're inexhaustible.
_Disney enters the ring!_
My grandma always said some crazy shit too, but I didn't write historical papers or make stupid "documentaries" based on what she said. 🤣
And how much education did her grandmother have? Is that a credible source for a professor?
They also didn't even try to make the actress for Cleopatra look like she lived in history. Her hairstyle, make up, and costume are very modern looking. She looks like she's on a beach in California, not in the ancient Egyptian Empire.
Sure, race swapping an historical figure then claim racism to any who question it is always a good idea.
Make Entertainment Great Again and Make America Great Again ❤️
It's okay that Achilles becomes black
Once again this has nothing to do with a black person playing Cleopatra. This is about black people Netflix Jada pinkett and the black actor who played Cleopatra. claiming that Cleopatra was black.
@@user-bs6kh7qm3x it also has something to do with black people playing Cleopatra
They shouldn’t
@@JohnM-sw4scI understand that some people are upset because a black person playing in Egyptian. And the only reason I agree with him being upset about it is because if a white person played Martin Luther King black people would be raising hell. And that's the only reason I agree with that my main concern is they're trying to rewrite history by saying Cleopatra was black and that's absolutely false.
"Bowed to no man"
Bowing to men is the most famous thing Cleopatra did.
and bending in all sorts of poses...
Bowing, kneeling…
Didn't the Romans hang her and Antony's bodies on display until they rotted?
Yes apparently she famously bent the knee to a hundred men at a party. ( when she was 18 or 19 )
@Ken North You just want to help her up off the floor and say, "You know, you DON'T have to do this with yourself. Offering yourself as a gift is both presumptuous of you and degrading to yourself."
Cleopatra was a scholar, not a warrior. They couldnt even get that part right. Essentially they turned Cleopatra into a marysue.
I love that you gave a shoutout to Metatron, that guy is awesome and he's clearly teaching for historical accuracy and intelligence. Too bad CZcams for some bogus reason decided to demonetize all 900 of his videos, and it was conveniently after he made a video about Cleopatra.
Saying Cleopatra's black is like saying Jada's a loyal spouse to Will Smith
We really need to draw a line between real Africa and the Americans’ idea of Africa…
That's not even the point, because African doesn't necessarily mean black
In the words of Razorfist, "Fucking. OOOOFT"
@@ifesto Yep... I'm going to go out of the limb here and legit believe that western wokeism truly believe that Africa is a country and not a continent. 😒 And the bs crap that Cleopatra VII's mom was a local priestess for a temple is a load of BS as well. She wouldn't have been put in the line of succession if her blood was tainted. Requirement: 100% blood of Ptolemy, who has blood relations with Alexander the Great. So she is somewhat related to him. Plus the chin and nose don't lie when it comes to inbreeding. She was legit Cleopatra VI's child.
What do you mean?
Jk
“My grandma told me cleopatra was black so it must be true.” Ok nana let’s get you the meds and get you ready for bed.
😂
Grandma taught me how to make the best cornbread. She was illiterate but assures me Cleo was black
- Shit, my grandmother used to say 'What's better, fuckin', a good plate with nothin' on it... ' no wait I fucked up. 'What's a good plate with nothing on it?'
-...meaning?
- I dunno, she was senile and shit. She used to fuckin' piss herself all the time, and shit herself
So you are arguing with Dr. .Shelley Haley's old grandmother? Who is probably long dead by now. NO ONE in the documentary claims that Cleopatra was black
I SWEAR SHE WAS BLACK WHY NONE BELIVES ME
okay gramma lets give you some of these shiny pills today okay we love you
At this point I've personally lost all respect for mainstream media productions.
I'm Danish and when Hollywood insisted that the little mermaid from H.C.Andersen's fairy tale is in fact black (in their new movie), despite him *clearly and explicitly* describing her as having *white* skin in his book, something permanently broke inside of me; and I've never been able to regain any amount of respect for them.
So this, equally woke/stupid, just confirms to me that Hollywood does indeed no longer deserve even the slightest amount of support/respect from anyone cherishing truth and facts 👎
So you haven't seen the Netflix documentary but you believe some other people who haven't seen it, either.
HBO's Rome was the real deal when it came to historical mini series. They built a whole world with the history that was recorded and made a point to constantly come back to historical facts even if they had dramatized it. Cleopatra in that show was 100% closer to the actual women with her dependency on Caeser's Rome then Marc Antony after the assassination. She was power hungry, she married then murdered her 10 year old brother. Ugly, dirty and truthful. Like history is.
It warms my heart that this has been so thoroughly rejected. There is some hope for humanity when everyone stands up against falsehoods.
There will always be a resistance. It's always like this since the beginning of time.
Yep.... Like a blue eyed Jesus...
@@P.Whitestrake It's not a 'resistance' P. It is a wall of truth that the woke will continue to beat their heads against until their agenda fails completely.
Yeah I think people are just fed up with this revisionist crap.
Ieschoua (Jesus) was Aramean, true. Its the Borgias that decided to make him white, by the way. Pope Rodrigo Borgia, aka Alexander.
The fact Netflix gave Jada the money to do this series basically means they gave her complete control, this includes finding any historian or 'expert' that thought the way she did and who would say what she needed them to say. That's why we have that old lady telling us about her grandmother rather than established historians giving us accurate historical accounts.
The thing we need to remember is this was them putting their best foot forward - trying to make that first impression that would hook an audience. If they made such a mess out of Cleopatra’s story, what do t out think they had in store for the less known women in the subsequent episodes? I suspect the full “Woman King” treatment of blatant lies and propaganda was on the way.
This is not surprising on Netflix quite honestly. All og their "adaptations" are bad derivatives of an established IP and historical history is not safe.
The curly haired commentator guy is actually Egyptian. However he told later he was never told they were making her black or was going to make the docu like this. So they pretty much scammed him.
The fact that after that scandalous slap both Jada and Will were treated like heroes, means they are part of that political party selling their propaganda! That's why nothing happened to them because they are political activists now protected by the politicians!
@@tutuadefolalu3661 At least with Women King that wasn't aiming to be accurate, but this is supposed to be documentary series 🤔.
Funny how they didn’t interview the Egyptian consulate of antiquities. Somebody you should absolutely work with when making a documentary about ancient Egypt
Jada Pinkett is trying to make things even worse between men and women, so stunning and brave. :)
My grandmother told me Cleopatra refused to take the One Ring when Frodo offered it to her.
And Captain Spock took the Millennium Falcon to stop the Last Jedi
Yea, and I remember the ending was Augustus received the ring fall out from Caesar’s dead body, he got temped and wiped out cleopatra’s empire by summoning Sauron.
@@jasonwang3303 And then Yugioh countered by summoning Exodia to the Shadow Realm... it no longer mattered how much Life Points had been previously absorbed by Jada... victory was at hand
So instead Mark Anthony took the ring, felt its immense power and declared war on Octavian.
Turned out Anthony got one of the lesser rings.
OK folks, these comments made me laugh so hard I had to run to the bathroom! Please, no more! 😅😅
My grandma once told me: "No matter what they told you in school, Dr.King was CHINESE"......She explained that "because Chinese explorers were in Africa during the 1500s sent by the Ming Emperor..... It is possible that Dr. King's paternal great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a young handsome Chinese explorer...... Many bi-racial black-Chinese children were left behind in Africa when the Ming Emperor recalled all of the Chinese explorers back to China.... so we can conclude that many blacks have Chinese lineage....." LOL.....LOL...LOL..
I thought he was Korean 🤔
😂 too funny I am a black woman and get your point 😂 I can't stop laughing
You guys are too funny
that was a weak example. it's as stupid as that wacky Spanish music playlist on your channel, horrible music by the way.
👏 You’ve convinced me! 😂
Haven’t seen the ‘documentary’, but the trailer reminds me of a time before the internet existed. When you had to write an essay for school about some historical figure, you had 2 choices: either go to a library and some proper research or go home and ask your relatives and hope for the best 😂
Nice, but irrelevant. Nobody is relying on Dr. Shelley Haley's grandmother for information. But a surprising number of people do think that Cleopatra was black. Many of Dr. Halley's students told her that, and Dr. Wawass has found the same thing when he gave speeches in the US. Things like the Netflix docudrama would show them otherwise.
Cleopatra didn’t need to wield a sword to dominate. She wielded her sexuality and harnessed the lust others had for her to amazing effects. She knew the affect she had over men and used it ruthlessly.
Every sword needs a scabbard. And she was a fiiine scabbard.
She wasn't very pretty but she was very smart and probably great in bed tbh
She used her Brain way more than her Body!
@@jamesalexander5623 not saying she was promiscuous or slept around a lot. Cleopatra knew the affect she had on men and used her considerable brain power to manipulate those feelings.
Judging on the statues and drawings, bitch was mediocre at best. Ancient politicians and their standards... But hey, whatever gets it up for them I guess.
I remember, clear as day, my grandmother telling me, “I don’t care what they tell you in school, there is NOTHING wrong with driving drunk!” (Yes that was an actual quote for her). Sorry folks, just because Nana declares it, doesn’t necessarily make it so.
So you are arguing with Dr. Shelley Haley's GRANDMOTHER, who would be very old and probably died a long time ago. NO ONE in the docudrama says Cleopatra was black, far from it. You should watch and not listen to those who have also not watched it.
@@patdaley9098 its a documentary so even stating that in a documentary would be wrong. and there is a reason why the whole of Egypt, and Egyptologists from Egypt are against it cause its a extremely poor representation of cleopatra, at least get an actress that's Macedonian or greek. cause there is nothing to indicate that she was black. if u state this series as a documentary then it would be wise to have accurate statements and accurate actors for right roles if its about history. I would not pick a Chinese actor to play LeBron James. if it was a fantasy show then it would be something else. there is a reason why egyptologists with PHDS are speaking up, its sad to see people who are not educated at all on this subject speak up more than those who are.
Mine was adamant that I had to rub my own urine on my eye when I had conjunctivitis.
@@Noman_MKH They do not say she was black. Or did you just watch the 2 min trailer?
@@patdaley9098 Please be a troll. Please.
"We don't know this exact part of her lineage so she MUST be Black"
sounds a lot like the new
"We don't know exactly how the Pyramids were built so it MUST be Aliens"
Right 😂
She was actually a Elvish Queen on her mother’s side
Hitler used the similar thing for his Arian propaganda.
Bottomline, the show is basically like Nazi propaganda but for Black people, by Black celebrity instead of Hitler.
"We don't know exactly how everything came to be so it MUST be Yahweh"
"Aliens built the pyramids" is more believable
@@P.Whitestrake damn right!
I like how the woman who said, "idc what they tell you in school, cleopatra was black" is a professor herself...
She's basically saying, "don't believe me'
Great point about the lack of credentials on the side of the interviewed "experts". Also, here's a radical idea - if you're doing a series on Egyptian history, how about asking an EGYPTIAN expert? Someone with both credentials and an interest in preserving his own country's history? Oh yeah, the problem there is that Jada could care less about actual history...
I lost it at Cleopatra fighting with swords. Seriously if they don't go all the way and make her dye her hair blue, I'm going to be disappointed in them. If you want to create your own fan-fic about an historical figure, go all the way. One cool idea would be Cleopatra shooting pink lasers out of her eyes when Genghis Khan and his horde of Tiger tanks tries to conquer Egypt and bring in a Patriarchy™
I would watch this. Why doesn't Netflix use these ideas?
They did not show Cleopatra fighting with swords. They showed her training with a sword while she was in Syria. She did sometimes go out with the soldiers into battle notably at the Battle of Actium. You didn't watch the docudrama so just make things up about it--in common with many of the critics.
Do you remember John Wayne playing Genghis Khan?
@@patdaley9098 she went there not to personally fight
She’s actually going to defeat Kang in season 2… well… Rama-Tut lol
@@patdaley9098 nope Sorry you are wrong. Cleopatra never trained it would have been degradation for a true Egyptian queen. Egyptians could not respect a ruler doing this. And never went in battle. She was a strategist as far as possible from the battle field. In this show she behaes all the time like a US girlbossy when pretending to be class. It may be fun, but it's not "docu"
Egypt wasn't a Matriarchy, it had a couple queens, but so did England.
true, Cleopatra's sister became the ruler of Egypt after staging a coup. She drove her father and Cleopatra out of Egypt....which resulted in her father getting help from the romans to reclaim his throne, which lead to them owing the Romans a lot.
I love how people think its that simple. If you're leader is a man, its a patriarchy, if its a woman then its a matriarchy. Its more complicated than that, take America for instance. We have a man president but we have a matriarchal society, thats why things are falling apart, but thats another topic.
Two as far as I know
Well, Cleopatra was an early toxicologist. It's believed she committed suicide by having an asp bite her, but this was after having a variety of snakes bite slaves to observe the effects. Including Cleopatra's killing of and experimenting on slaves probably detracts from the messaging behind the Netflix activism.
Jada just cant stop getting into "entanglements."
Once jada Pinkett got involved we should have known it was going to be ridiculous.
i would bury the one that did the fake cleopatra documentary and the failed documentary under the pyramids to never be seen again.
Or anyone from Hollywood.
Ridiculous would be ok for her and netflix. Moving on to falsification is a whole new level of hypocricy, manipulation and an agenda promo that relates to fakeness
Proves that she isn’t shit without Will Smith
I like the part when Julius Ceasar uttered "Et tu, Will?" before he got smacked to death.
Cleopinkett Smith certainly did a number on him.
You mean Julia Caesar..? 😉
🤣🤣🤣
My favourite part was when Cleopatra swam across the Atlantic Ocean to face off the entire army of Genghis Khan by herself. And she beat them all so badly that he had to retreat to his home on the dark side of the Moon! So historical! You go girl!
Lmfaoooo 😂😂😂
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
There was a Nubian (black) Dynasty that emerged from the Kush Empire & conquered Egypt. The 25th Dynasty.
It lasted for 99 years. The material was there and no Egyptian or Greek would say a word about it in protest.
But there’s no boss chick Kweenz in it. And it faced a foreign invasion from the Assyrian Empire. So if they applied the same resources to that it might have not sucked as much.
Oh well that’s Jada P. smith trynna cuck Egypt.
My aunt is Muslim, converted after marrying one. By this show's "logic" she can't be because she isn't Middle Eastern.
And then they call us racist...
I remember clear as day my grandma told me "no matter what they tell you in school, Muhammad Ali was white!"
No my grandmother said he was Indian and mexican just playing you guys are too funny and y'all right that show is not accurate
Ben Affleck will star as Ali in the next movie about his life
White Moses came down from the mountain and proclaimed to Pharaoh, _'Get woketh, go broketh, saith the LORD!'_
That’s some funny shit lol
😂😂😂
I don't believe this account, you didn't include Moses pronouns
I bet cleopatra would be pissed if she found out the number one thing people were interested in about her was her skin color
It's not only her skin colour it's the absolute trashing of the history.
I'm not surprised the Egyptians and Greeks are totally up in arms over this.The trailer was enough I won't be watching it.
I think the serie does EXACTLY what it was originally proposed to do: Gaslight everyone into revisional history through contemporary lenses
I mean, it WAS the next logical step. They're already swapping every white fictional popular character, and that would eventually run out, so they'd have to move to the real ones. That meant adapting the response to "is just a fictional character, why do you care?", because History is actually recorded and verifiable as true or false, to "we can't really tell what that person was since it was so long ago. I mean... Here is some scholar saying that"
In the end, I think is just a way of saying "It's 'ours' now", which is an extension of what they're doing to the fictional characters
But on a positive note... I'm excited to that MLK movie starring Danny Trejo!
I've never seen a 1% in my life.
The only reason it got 1% was its not possible to give it a zero %.
These are the people Bernie Sanders complained about.
It skyrocketed to 3 😁 it can increase if it becames a classic of bad taste, like those z movies. Actually if they didn't put 'docu" , ridicule "scholars" and "professors" with crazy granmas in the fuss, it could be the umpfth tale of a girlbossy with camp outfits and frustrated ambitions.
Anyone who has studied Clepoatra and that time period knows that she was Greek, with just a little Persian. And she was not any of the things claimed in the intro to the episode.
Seriously. Netflix needs to be boycotted like Bud Light. Cultrual appropriation a holes.
Oh. so you basically agree with the Netflix docudrama! No one in the docudrama thinks Cleopatra was black. Shelley Haley's grandmother was not in the docudrama, Dr. Haley does not agree with her, and her grandmother is probably long dead. Why does everyone want to argue with a dead grandma?
@@patdaley9098 the actress is Black?? And yet they claim this is a documentary. And no, the argument that "the actress was best for the role, the race isn't important" doesn't float the boat as this is supposed to be a documentary. Imagine doing a documentary on an Aztec ruler and casting a Korean man.
@@patdaley9098 not only the actress was black but the entire Ptolemaic courtiers were black too. They also perform African drums and dress like sub Sahara or savannah tribesmen
The first problem is with the introduction is (in addition to everything u said) that Cleopatra was not powerful and did not rule over men until she get the aid of Julius Ceasar, who finally overthrown Cleopatra's 14 years old brother and king Ptolemy 13th. And after Ceasar's murder, she needed to ally with the triunvirate Marc Anthony.
Can't believe I wasn't subbed to this channel till now? Really great commentary
Octavian going full KKK in the last episode (literally, he just lacked the hood and a cross to burn) was one of the most out of context things I have ever seen.
Roman society wasn't racist as we see it now, it was more class differences. Like slaves vs wealthy people.
@@greenarrow219 that is why I said it is so absurd 🤭
@Flavio Druso Valerio they have one of the most famous women in history to do a documentary about and they still fucked it.
Of course they would take maybe the most influential person in Roman history (If it was not his uncle or Constantine) and turning him into a member of the Klan seems pretty par for the course.
Even the series ROME with its truncated second season was leagues beyond this tripe...and THAT series didn't call itself a documentary.
"There was a time, not so long ago, when actual history was screwed over for a political agenda."
There, I fixed the intro.
so.. are you talking about how white destroyed black American culture and history, or are you talking about this documentary?
How little you know of history! When was history not written to support some agenda! Tell me about some ideal age of your imagination . . .
@@patdaley9098 I have a Master's Degree in History. That's how I know it.
@@jenniferedwards1752 You haven't answered my question.
Even the creator is ashamed to say she watched it 😆👍
Jada actually managed to get a whole lot of people to learn Cleopatra's real ancestry/ethnicity and also learn the real history of that place and time.
Whatever woke tries to establish, it manages to do the opposite.
A quote to remember:
“The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself.”
- Augustine of Hippo
Good old St. Augustine.
Everybody involved in this fiasco deserves all the lumps coming their way
Even if Cleopatra's mom was Egyptian, most Egyptians look Middle Eastern - and consider themselves Middle Eastern! And WHY do so many Black people want Cleopatra to be Black? Aren't there supposed to have been African queens all over the African continent?
So I am black and agree
There's plenty of black African queens they could have used like:
▪︎ Yaa Asantewaa (Queen of the
Ashanti Empire)
▪︎ Makeda of Ethiopia (a.k.a. the
Queen of Sheba)
▪︎ Amina of Zaria (Queen of
Zaria, Nigeria)
▪︎ Kandake Amanirenas (Queen of the
Kingdom of Kush)
▪︎ Nzinga Mbande (Warrior
Queen of Angola)
▪︎ Queen Nandi (Queen of
the Zulu Kingdom)
▪︎ Queen Ranavalona I of Madagascar
And black Kings like:
▪︎ Mansa Musa (a.k.a. the richest man
in history / Ruler of the Mali empire)
▪︎ Oba Sunni Ali Beer (ruler of the
Songhai Empire)
▪︎ Shaka Zulu (King of the
Zulu Kingdom)
▪︎ Cetshwayo kaMpande
(King of the Zulu Kingdom)
▪︎ Taharqa (Kushite Pharaoh /
from Kush, Sudan)
▪︎ Tenkamenin (King of the
Ghana Kingdom)
▪︎ Endubis (a.k.a. Endybis /
King of Askun [Ethiopia])
I'm black of mixed West Indian heritage, our ancestors came from West Africa, we have a rich history there. I have zero interest and need for Cleopatra to be black.
Fantastic commentary, Lauren, and love the Dad Cam!!
Excellent so well narrated powerfully argued well reasoned I love the way you presented this I just discovered your channel but I am a fan
Cant wait for ms Smith, to somehow turn this around as its her husbands fault.
And Will smith telling Egypt to keep his wife's name out of their damn mouth
Jada's boyfriends will rally to defend her while Will cries in the corner
Actual cultural appropriation 😂
I call it Anglo-Blackness, making North Africa into Black : czcams.com/video/43-xiuATKXM/video.html
im Egyptian and I agree!
Is it really so shocking that this is the result of Jada Pinkett being at the helm? Seems like everything she’s involved in becomes unbearable.
Like... Will?
I think that the big problem we have these days is that there's no video rental stores anymore. Where a show like this would of gone to a straight to video release and
nobody would of given a crap about it....
We thank you for your sacrifice in watching this for us, Lauren :P
ditto. and dad too. you suffered for us on this one.
But she says she didn't really watch it.
I appreciate that Lauren is actually discussing the makeup of the show and not just the drama around it and clowning on the trailer.
I really love the bit at the end where you got your dad's opinion. He seems like a stand up guy!
Metatron not only debunked Netflix's black Cleopatra but also described an ACTUAL black Queen contemporaneous to the Caesars: Queen Amanirenas of Kush.
"Child, I don't care what they tell you in school. The Little Mermaid was black along with every other redheaded character in fiction."
seriously! this "woke" mental illness needs to end by boycotting... budlight 2.0
Watch them make a Raggedy Anne and Andy movie starring Tiffany Haddish and Kevin Hart.
I dare them to make tiana white… make black panther white too 😂
So why are you arguing with Dr. Shelley Haley's old grandmother over something she said several decades ago? Dr. Haley doesn't agree with her, neither does anyone else in the docudrama.
@@kagzyy6414 I want to see a crosse-eyed red-head woman play MLK 🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣 i love how they tried to make her so "bad ass" by saying she "bowed to no man" when she is the one most known... to be "on her knees" for like every dude she met. 🤣
Exactly.
😂😅😆🤣😅😆🤣
So she only met 2 men?? Nope she was very powerful and the Roman leaders needed Egypt's wealth.
Hahahaha! Yeah!
@@patdaley9098 and they took it. Egypt was a failed state at that point
I cant watch Netflix because as a trucker i dont have a home network. So my isp changes every day and the only way i can use the service is if i use something like surfshark, well until they properly can block it. Too much of a hassle.
Jada tried to validate the black community on the expense of others. The intention was good but the idea and execution was ridiculous
Metratron did a wonderful job about reviewing this debacle “documentary” and he offered an alternative African warrior Queen who met the criteria better. In fact, it was a part of African history that hasn’t been told and was very interesting. Also, there has been more data about Cleopatra’s maternal line recently. That’s one of the reasons why the Egyptians are suing Netflix and refusing to let it show in Egypt. Also, an Egyptian CZcamsr was upset with the presentation not only by the racial swap, but how they portrayed the woman’s dress ans appearances (hair style and eye make up).
Re: alternative African warrior queen. I think I read that when the Ancient Egyptians were black idea was first put forward there were people who pointed out that there were ancient civilizations in sub-Saharan Africa so if Afrocentric scholars wanted to promote African history why didn't they promote those civilizations?
Metatron does good work
@@lesleyb5591 Because they were all economically reliant on the exportation of slaves. It doesn't fit the brainwash.
Meta's video on this was great, He did a far better job bringing to light an African Warrior Queen that actually existed than this 'show' did by trying to wish one into existence.
@@lesleyb5591 Because those civilizations never amounted to much (other than parroting Egyptians) and Egyptian civilization did.
Netflix: "we can rewrite history as we see fit"
Audiences: 8% 😂
Last I checked the audience score was only 1%... and even the positive scores admit that they're only upvoting to troll. The critics liked it much better at about 12%. Lol.
@@HerculesBallsInc tbh that's the lowest critic score I've ever seen rotten tomatoes give!! Maybe they didn't pay them so they gave a semi honest score 😆 that or even the critics wouldn't touch it
@@thesrow1056 Heh. Critics may be shills, but I think sometimes they just see the disaster coming and say, "If I pretend to like this everyone will just laugh at me."
@@HerculesBallsInc probably the case. Maybe they learnt from giving Velma a 97% and she-hulk a 93% 😆
Unfortunately. a lot of people beliemave a mass of lies told about the docudrama
Grandma also says:
"Honey, what time is it?"
a thousand times during the day.
lauren, the real cleopatra, was not beautiful, by most standards, but her personality made up for it. she was a very strong and captivating person
That opening monolog is a list of red flag statements
Jada Pinkett Smith has real talent to make Cleopatra boring. Cleopatra was one of the most fascinating women in history. She was a brilliant woman who spoke seven languages and was a great riler. She had an exciting life involving battles, royal intrigue, and a passionate romance..
Passionate romance?
I see what you did there. You mean passionate orgies n depraved sex parties
@Best of MediaCleopatra was descended from Ptolemy who was a general under Alexander the Great. When Alexander died without an heir, his generals divided up his empire. Ptolemy seized Egypt, and adopted the Egyptian religion, and established the beginning of the greatest library in the ancient world
He even stole Alexander's body fr it's transport back to Macedonia and brought to Egypt. He had Alexander buried in Egypt as a political move. The Egyptian oracle had declared Alexander to be a god when he conquered Egypt. Ptolemy used Alexander's body to legitimize his dynasty and to give himself and his descendants the divine status of pharaohs.
He established a dynasty that ruled Egypt for hundreds of years.
The Ptolemy's ruled Egypt as Greeks although they followed the Egyptian religious practices and claimed to be pharaohs. Out of the hundreds of years ruling Egypt by the dynasty, only Cleopatra learned the Egyptian language. She spoke seven languages, but interestingly she did not speak Latin although she became romantically involved with two of the greatest Romans of the time.
Cleopatra was not a warrior, but she was involved with leading military endeavors. She led rebel forces against her brother when he and his supporters deposed her as his co-ruler and replaced her with her sister. When Cleopatra was able to establish a relationship with Julius Caesar, he helped her to reestablish her rulership of Egypt. She also bore Caesar's only son. Caesar was in his fifties
As Queen, she planned military expeditions against the raiders of important trade routes. She made Egypt the richest kingdom at that time. Years later after Caesar's death, she became involved with Marc Antony. She provided him with the Egyptian fleet at the Battle of Actium. She was also present, at the battle although Antony led the military force. Their defeat at this battle led to their deaths.
It is doubtful that the Netflix series documented Cleopatra marrying two of her younger brothers as dictated by Egyptian religious practices. Nor would Netflix show Cleopatra following another custom of her family, that of murdering rival siblings.,
@@BOM_NLDShe blew 7 guys who each spoke a different language is more accurate.
@@wsmokr amazing comment😂
@Best of Media You seem more interested in disproving a feminist version of history than the facts. I do not agree with the feminists revision of history. And if you read my comment before, I stated that she was not a warrior. She was s ruler who sent her military and navy to do her bidding.
Anything you want to go find out about her is available. Be sure to check your sources. So-,called modern scholars try to rewrite history with ridiculous claims.
Cleopatra was not black. She was Greek. She was the product of generations of incest. She was not a warrior. She was a capable and ambitious ruler. She was not a great beauty, but she was highly intelligent and educated. Cleopatra murdered a younger sister and brother to secure her throne.
Cleopatra has been a source of fascination for thousands years. She doesn't need any fake build up. There are many myths about her such she was a great beauty able to seduce men to their doom. Rather she was a good politician who attracted and was attracted to men of great ambition.
So did Jada just pay supposed "experts" to say whatever she wanted them to? 🤥
"I don't care what they teach you in school, Cleopatra was black." That was classic!
Whoever green-lit this needs to sit on the naughty step and think about the consequences of their actions.
Jada could have asked Egyptians, archeologists and their scholars
Why, she is a Kween 🤪
She didn't want people to tell her that what she was doing is inaccurate. She probably did ask them at first, was told, "Are you stupid? We keep telling you, she was Macedonian, and/or Greek." And she would not phucking have it.
Me being a black woman agree people need to research history before making movies especially about historical figures
She knew. Will Smith and his fam went to Egypt few years ago to take a tour with the pyramids. That is why some Egyptians felt Will betrayed them with this show. Sad that he got blamed when Jada did all this.
Why do that when you have academics telling you exactly what you want to hear back at home? (less money to do so as well) :/
“I don’t care what they tell you in school… “ followed by completely idiotic nonsense
Prof. Shelley P. Haley also worked on the first episode of a documentary about Rome that was revisionist dreamland.
The only thing "represented" in Queen Cleopatra is wishful thinking.
I wonder how much of Cleopatra's story they told truthfully and how much they retrofitted with modern views. Did they show her having her sister killed? Did they show her actually marrying one of her brothers? Is Caesarion actually shown? Do they show off her being a polyglot? She knew many languages, and was the first Greek ruler to actually learn Egyptian. So many things much more interesting than being a warrior. Do they bring up the coins and statues of both Egyptian and Roman variety that depict her the same way they did Greeks? Or the fact that there are Egyptian paintings that show how they paint black people with black paint, something they didn't do to Cleopatra? No?
As for diversity I'm for diversity as far as nobody should be denied a job opportunity due to their sex, race or sexuality. But there should be no quotas of women or black people needed to be in a company. Whomever is best for the job should get the job, even if that happens to mean an all white male staff or an all black female staff.
- Yeah, they show her having her brother and sister killed, but the series somehow still manages to make her look like a 100% positive character by suddenly changing tone and being very nonchalant about it.
- Yes, they show her marrying her brother and it's super-ridiculous: they are both clearly disturbed by it, but she's the ballsy one and essentially takes charge over the ceremony while her whiny brother is about to cry and piss himself. It's very stupid as it shows the whole thing through the lens of 21st century Western morals: for those people, it was pretty normal to marry their siblings. They were told from infancy that they were demigods and that's what demigods did. In the show, you can tell that Cleopatra isn't really wild about it either but she goes through with it because she's the boss and she's going to do whatever it takes to fulfill her destiny or some crap like that. I was almost expecting her to shout "Yeah, this is barbaric and you people are sick, but, whatever, let's get this done".
- Yeah, Caesarion is shown along with the two children Cleopatra had with Mark Anthony.
- No, her being a polyglot is not exactly in the show. Every character speaks English and nobody ever compliments her about how well she masters different languages. It is kind of implied in a few scenes that she knows more than one tongue, but it's not a real plot point. They don't even dwell on what language she actually spoke with Caesar and Mark Anthony (most people believe they were communicating in Greek, given they were all educated persons, but the series as a whole is like some cheap fantasy show were everyone automatically understands everyone else).
- No, the coins, the portraits, and the statues are never discussed and it's pretty evident why: they'd disrupt the "Cleopatra was black!" thesis and no academic in his\her right mind would dare to disprove historical artifacts such as Cleopatra's marble bust on display in Berlin. Only people who know nothing about history and have no respect for it, like Jada Pinkett Smith, could do such a thing. But she's a semi-failed Hollywood actress, not exactly Phd material. In defense of some of the actual historians (or soon-to-be historians) interviewed in the documentary, I think their interviews were heavily edited and only the bits that fit into the narration were picked. I also reckon the questions were carefully-worded in order to get an answer that could be flipped in the editing process, kind of like what happens to Kyle in the South Park episode "A History Channel Thanksgiving" where he's shown to sustain the thesis that aliens visited the pilgrims on the first Thanksgiving Day while he was actually saying it was all bullshit. That doesn't apply to the elderly black lady talking about her grandma: she's a known black feminist with an agenda.
- The Egyptian paintings displaying the different people inhabiting North Africa and their varied skin tones are not show\discussed either: again, they would work against the "Cleopatra was black and the Arabs and the white devils took her from us!" thesis, and so they were left out. So much for an historical documentary.
Uhhh . . . you obviously did not watch the docudrama. They dealt with with all those things. They certainly did not "whitewash" Cleopatra. Yes, her sister and brother had to die, just as they tried to kill her. The Ptolemy's were like that and you should not apply modern moral standards to them and her. Yes they
showed statues and coins, and they simply do not all look the same. Yes, they made a great deal of her education and intelligence and her fluency in different languages, including Egyptian. No, t hey did not depict her in sword fights, but they did show her practicing sword fighting with a Syrian trainer. As for battles, she did participate in some battles.
It's actually quite a good and informative documentary covering Cleopatra's life and times, despite what a bunch of people say who only saw the trailer or read what people who only saw the trailer said.
If you watch the docudrama, you would know the answers to the questions you asked. I suggest you do so.
@@patdaley9098 Cleopatra never fought in any battle and never trained in sword fighting. She had her soldiers fighting for her. The sword training is pure modern-day fantasy to depict her like Rey from the new Star Wars movies or Wonder Woman, as if a woman (or any person, really) actually needs to be able to use a weapon to be strong. Napoleon wasn't known for his fighting skills and yet he is one of the finest military men in history, as he was a brilliant strategist. Cleopatra was a politician, a diplomat, and a schemer (that takes talent too): sword fighting was actually below her.
They put modern bs in ALL and invented a Mrs Smith alter ego as Cleopatra . Crap. Cringe. Funny if you look for fiction , disaster if you hope the label "docu". Skin tone isn't the worst thing. Just mind that Ann Boylen race swips but it's more accurate.
The First thing you learn in History/Archeology…every Prof gives the same lecture on First day: you should NOT fill the unknown with you imagination/own view…you are here to analyse and give facts.
Thats actually really hard, when you dig and find stuff to say „we dont know“ what it is.
That proff saying „I dont care what they teach you in school“ is begging to be fired and should be out of teaching…
The fact that Jada Pinket Smith was associated with this series made it an instant flop.
Calling this show historically accurate is like calling Jada Smith a loving wife
Did you copy and paste this comment from a different reaction channel? 🙄
@@Donegal62 No, why???
This literal word-for-word post is on every video to do with Cleopatra. You didn't bother to change a single word.
@@josephbons1 Not me brother, sorry for you!!!
"And there were Jews there! Oy Vey!"
There is no evidence at all that Cleopatra could fight. Indeed going by Ptolemaic tradition and history only the sons of rulers were taught to fight. Only Sparta in Greece differed in that they allowed their females to train and improve their bodies. Something the rest of the Greek world found either simply stupid right up to disgusting. Cleopatra wasn't even what would be described as stunning or beautiful. However her skill at diplomacy, her intelligence and her ability to make men feel they were in charge while she tried to rule around them made her powerful.
But she did go into battle though, notably with her ships at Actium. See what nonsense you come up with when you don't bother to watch the docudrama you want to criticize.
You nailed it very well said
@@patdaley9098 Oh, its you again:) Are you stalking me? I have studied history for over 40 years so I don't need to watch this soap opera to know its wrong, the trailer and everything its actors, producers and showrunner has said tell me that. As for the Battle of Actium, Cleopatra's barge was at the back of the battle and didn't take part in the actual fighting. Unlike Anthony who was in the thick of it.
Anthony's Generals didn't trust the Egyptian soldiers or Cleopatra, thinking she was out for herself and cared nothing for Rome. They argued that if Cleopatra went home then the desertions Anthony's army was suffering would end. Cleopatra argued that Anthony should fight at sea as at the time he had more ships than Octavius, even though the Roman army fought better on land. To make both parties happy Anthony ordered Cleopatra to go home, but also decided to fight at sea. The issue was by the time the battle began he didn't have enough men left to man all of his ships and so he started the battle outnumbered by Octavian. As the day continued and the battle went on Cleopatra's ships managed to break free and began heading south to Egypt. However Cleopatra herself never took part in the fight, the battle was never close to her royal barge.
@@patdaley9098 lol buddy disproved your nonsense hard
At that time women did not fight because for bladed weapons they were too weak compared to men. Cleopatra fighting is grotesque worthy of Jada!
These Afrocentric "scholars" are finally getting the beatdown that I have been waiting decades for them to receive. This so-called scholarship began decades ago and started the flood of revisionist history that black intellectuals have been peddling ever since. But this is really the first time that I can remember where their work has gotten so much media attention and criticism. I hope they keep it up.
I clearly remember when I was a kid, my dad told me he loved me. I guess even your family can spew bs
This Cleopatra debacle is Guyladriel all over again.
I still want to see Gal Godot play Cleopatra
I want Carrot Top to play MLK. they want to make things up, so can we.... :)
Heeey, I love the shout out to Metatron in the video. That guy is awesome and I love his informative history videos.
But thank you for suffering through this train wreck so we don't have to Lauren.
I just loved how the lady who said her grandma told her Cleopatra was black paused and gave a look. As if this is a big revelation and we need to pause to let it sink in.
Disparu brought up an article from a black man archeologist who actually excavated Egyptian tombs (I think something actually related to Cleopatra) put out an open letter to the makers of this series about how wrong their claims are. Hilarious.
But they don't claim Cleopatra was black. Indeed, they systematically destroy that view in the first 20 minutes or so.
Every REAL scholar know that this show isn't a docu under any aspect. Even architecture or when Cleo has her evening at the pub with the Roman boys and bullies them as they don't respect their women LOL dreassed as a hot chick on vacation looked like of that debates men vs women...Yes this is as shallow and light years far from history research this show is...
Cleopatra had a entanglement with Julius.
The best part was when Mark Anthony yelled at Julius keep ya eggplant out my wife's mouth!!!😂
That's a good one.
Yeah that was good
Considering Julius was thoroughly dead at the time Marc Antony started bangin Cleo…that’s an extra ick if he eggplant was still in her mouth
#history
And Twitter Feed the pharaohs read only made heavens roar
Thank you for your videos
If your candidates base evidence for your doctorate is "my grandma told me" then you really need to rethink your candidates
With Jada doing it how could anyone expect anything else. She clearly only cares about herself and her warped perspectives.
I've said it before, the actress in Rome is still by far the best representation of Cleopatra I've ever seen.
I loved that show so much. A reboot was needed yesterday!
except the drug addict part , i mean she was smart not dopped.
@@MrMAC8964 They didn't have the same moral you have today, she was a Queen and could have been addicted to whatever she wanted and still being a genius politician.
@@Yawar1986 doubtful , she was more likely a bookworm. loved the series tho and it didnt take away from it too much.
Lucy Lawless? (Xena: Warrior Princess actress)
@ 10:00 okay, so based on this logic, I can say "Idris Elba is English. He lived as an English man. He wants to be remembered as an English man. Why can't everyone just see him as English?!" and then cast Tom Holland to play him in a biopic.
Cleopatra and her family can't be black figures because they were Greeks. The Ptolemies, originated in the Greek Kingdom of Macedonia (Alexander the Great). She was just the last member of a Greek Dynasty that ruled Egypt, as other Greek Dynasties ruled Asian Kingdoms for a period (Bactria, Seleucid Empire etc).
{Greek/Hellenistic period of Central Asia and North Africa}.
“Egypt in Africa therefore black” is like saying “Muhammad was Chinese because they both in Asia”
Or "everyone in America is Cherokee Indian" or "the Koreans built the Great Wall of China"
Now I know there's a stereotype involving these folks and theft. But holy crap stealing entire history segments is on a whole other level LOL.
So if Cleopatra was White that just means that she suffered from a skin mutation...
@@Savage_to_Sage why do you think that?
@@jaymievos3133 Basic Biology...
@@Savage_to_Sage cant tell if jking or actually serious
I call it Anglo-Blackness, making North Africa into Black : czcams.com/video/43-xiuATKXM/video.html
FIrst of all, the political agenda they're pushing isn't a 21st century one, but an American one. And if I'm not wrong, when Cleopatra started the civil war to take down her brother-husband and take the throne, she was 15 or 16 and her brother was 13. And that was when she met Cesar. So, how could she already be a scholar being a 15 yo already-married princess?? I mean, did her days have more hours than regular 24 each?
A time when Romans thought of war. Greeks thought of philosophy in Alexandria, they thought of thought itself.