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It's supposed to be disruptive to the people you protest against, not to the average guy
This! Protesting against police brutality should be protested at the police station, not destroying some random person’s way of living. Just saying
sane man, meet insane world.
Yeah I've been really surprised that asmon hasn't said this. It's the main reason it's bad.
The idiots blocking the roads are only going to make the unbiased people favor the opposite of whatever they’re protesting.
@@boostio_music he HAS said this though.
I protested high movie ticket prices by going to football games and farting in peoples faces. People got mad at me and the ticket prices stayed the same but hey, at least i was disruptive.
- average tiktok protestor
Great way of describing it lol
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. If you think the government is not feeling pressure from these protests you're ignorant on the topic. You are aware that elections are getting closer and the Democrats won't exactly be thrilled that their base is protesting against them, right? Have you seen all the signs saying they refuse to vote for Biden? If you don't think disrupting the infrastructure and supply lines will get the attention of the government, then you've not thought about it at all.
The US government is providing weapons and funding to Israel, which enables the devastation of Gaza and everyone living there, so yes it's appropriate to be protesting in the US. It wouldn't be happening without the US.
Thank you for this little treasure. I did laugh out loud when I read this one. Kudos
I don't get it. Can you maybe put it as a convoluted World of Warcraft metaphor for me to understand it?
@@xXFoiXx😂
If I stood outside that guy's house blocking his driveway as a protest so he couldn't go to his protest, he'd call the cops to get rid of me.
Isn’t that ironic lol
Stop using logic you're confusing them!
If ur black he wont for sure 😂
@MrRADicalOfficial actually asmonds logic is incorrect. He says in a monarchy you dont have representation.
Thats untrue, which shows how much he really knows about anything.
Colonies all had representatives during that time that reported back to the crown and took proposals and grievances. The problem was, these people were FINANCIALLY incentivised to prioritize the wants of the crown over the colonies.
Kinda like how Israeli donors do to our politicians. So the colonies chose civil disobedience.
2. Its not voting season and every week you do nothing is 100+ dead in Gaza. Those lives actually matter to the protestors. Unlike asmond who thinks making someone late for work should weigh more on his Conscience than Toddlers in gaza being operated on without Anesthesia...
@@ljeans531 I don't know how that completely related to my comment, but I am in fact completely ignorant on the Israel vs Palestine as I have not been keeping up. All I know is both sides have fked up, and blocking your average civilian when they have places to be will only make them spite you. You're logic falls apart because of that, the fact that annoying people will never make them join your cause, and in fact, can make them go against it. That is the wrong way to go about it PERIOD. If I have somewhere to be and there are protesters slowing down the flow of traffic significantly, I'd lose all interest in whatever they're protesting and find them a nuisance because you're making yourselves look like lunatics. Stand on the sides of the road and don't block traffic. Normal people don't stand in the middle of the road. You've lost the moment you've inconvenienced the common person who could literally lose their job for being late just for a protest that they could or could not care less about. You're supposed to be inconveniencing the government, and companies, not the average Joe. It's funny actually because the majority of the people I've seen that stand in the road and block cars have all been unhinged people (it happens most for the crazy unempathetic protests like the radical femenists, Antifa, BLM, etc. who are all selfish people destroying property or protesting against freedoms).
All this to say, just be normal. What is happening is horrific, but such is human nature. It is going to happen again and again. This existence is abhorrent, but there is nothing you and I can do anything about that. I hope the war ends, but crazy sociopaths will be crazy sociopaths. I don't vote to begin with because politics is just a game of who is less corrupt. It is all manipulation and evil from the bottom up. If we get someone who actually seems to be a decent human being for once, I will vote for them. But we have to worry about our own country first before others. The government is a joke. America is falling apart. Big pharma and the food industry are already poisoning this country, and most companies are controlling the narrative. Mega corporations are destroying the environment with plastics, PFAs, Benzene, 1, 4-Dioxane, Hexane, etc. How about we fix our country first before worrying about countries that are nowhere near us? You'll get better results for your cause if you fix the bigger problem first. Most people can't even use basic logic because our school system is utter garbage, and their brains are being stunted by endocrine disruptors and countless chemicals that are causing brain damage. You really excpect them to understand the nuances of a situation like that when they are incredibly unhealthy and have brain fog, intelligence on the decline, and can barely afford to even feed themselves or their families? Taking medications that have had little studies on safety, typically one or two that were on rats only, that keep people sick from side effects so the medical industry can profit off of their suffering? This is why I drink lots of loose leaf tea, eat less processed foods, and take adaptogens because my health was not great from all the sht foods and products that are all over the place. You have to fix your situation first before you can work on others. I wish them well, but most Americans just don't care. They're under the control of the media and mega corporations, and are so overwhelmed they have to focus on their lives and those closest to them.
I've never once had my day disrupted by a stranger on purpose and ended that day with more support of the person that created an inconvenience for me
The protest is supposed to be disruptive FOR THE COMPANY INVOLVED, not random civilians.
Anyone else remember the bus strike in Japan? They stayed in service but refused to take fares - directly hurting the company, not the civilians.
W japanese bus drivers
protests done right
No, the primary aim of a protest is to bring attention to a cause. While a protest can be disruptive, it isn’t necessarily supposed to break the law-that’s more akin to civil disobedience, where laws are deliberately broken to highlight an issue. If a protest escalates to causing damage or harm, it verges into rioting. It’s important to differentiate between being disruptive within the bounds of the law and stepping into civil disobedience or rioting.
I think they see average citizens as cogs in the war machine. So disrupting citizens is disrupting the war.
Protesting by not taking fare is illegal in most western countries. That's a way to protest that use a loophole their governement probably closed now.
The Boston tea party was a protest against British tea imports specifically, not just the government in general. The tea company was not some random uninvolved party, they had lobbied the British government for preferential taxes and monopolies to allow them to charge higher prices to the colonies.
Thank you for knowing history. It gives me hope that I had lost.
I was hoping Asmon would bring that up but I guess he doesn't know about it. Ah well.
Exactly! Can't make taxes on something you didn't sell!
@No_Fuse8771 the Boston tea party was in response to higher taxes thar were caused by global warming
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Stopping traffic can cause an emergency situation. Creating an emergency situation is not peaceful protesting.
They literally let emergency vehicles by you are just looking for reasons for them not to protest for a just cause.
@@mugi_c4420 It's not a just cause to protest for terrorists. Also, I have never seen any protests for Lybia or the Uygurs. Blocking roads is ILLEGAL! They shouldn't do it end of the story, wake up.
@@mugi_c4420 Ive seen videos where they do not let emergency vehicles by. Stopping traffic has dire consequences for those who are not involved. A single father losing his job due to being late, a mother who cannot get her kid medicine in time which leads to hospitalization, a mother in labor trying to get to the hospital and her kid dies due to no medical support...I could go on but if you are not capable of thinking this far then its likely you are a lost cause of reactionary discourse who is easily influenced. If you are still okay with the above than I truly hope it happens to you or your family so you can learn some empathy.
@@A-Straw-Hat I have seen many videos where they do let them by, none where they don't. Maybe it was from a different more disorganized protest but for the most part these students are letting emergency vehicles by because they are protesting for less deaths not more. As for these other hypotheticals, they are just that hypotheticals. Know what is not hypothetical? Over 30k dead innocent people, mutilated children, starving babies, Israeli hostages blown up by Israeli bombs and that's not even scratching the surface of all the inhuman things Israel is doing with our weapons and tax dollars and you don't care. Then you have the audacity to question my empathy when you clearly have none. I hope that the strawhat isn't a OP reference because you clearly missed the point.
@@mugi_c4420soy levels at overdose
“The point of a protest is to be disruptive.”
Man I feel silly thinking the point of a protest was to protest something.
The political parties run most of the media in the US. If you aren't causing a news-worthy disruption, they will just pretend that your protest doesn't exist. For example, there were several organized protests last year with thousands of people, and not a single news story or video from any of the major media outlets. They were just too peaceful and boring to be worth mentioning. Those protests ultimately had no sizable effect, because they had no visibility.
Is a protest not used to promote change or just a bunch of insane people who like to waste their time? You're using the word protest in its definition. But it seems like you are missing the point of why people protest in the first place. It's not a tantrum to say ," hey I'm mad" it's to promote change. Now to put a little logic. If someone is wearing a t shirt to protest their point do you or any other feel that there would ever be change in favor of the protestor? Any answer other than no?? You should feel silly by using the word protest in describing the point of protesting.
this is a recent narrative brought up by the political left and its about inching things into "reasonable" reach. They use this as a means to goat people into doing dumb shit. Blocking roads, burning businesses, attacking people, even killing people. theyre all various levels under the disruptive blanket. and as this narrative continues breeding in these terrorist circles, the level of disruption will gradually increase across the board. In the background your MSM and politicians begin encouraging this, making "disruption" an accepted activity throughout society. Police are told to stand down and let it happen and only to arrest those who get in the way "for their protection".
Its a slow process, and ever since 2008 weve seen these methods gradually increase inch by inch. On this current path, the kids being born this year will grow up in a world like the middle east, where terrorism is simply an accepted activity.
The point of a protest is to demonstrate mass support when it comes to a side of an issue and hopefully get more people on your side and that's why being a pain in the ass for everyone around does not serve the purpose, these people just want to be disruptive and enjoy having power over others.
@@TheL0ngbeard mass support? Why not just support? So 1 person can't protest? I for one never said any of these people are in the right, but being a pain when directly effecting parties that may hold decision making of whatever you're protesting could be a little more effective. I'm not exactly sure what you're defending here. The singall word in your entire paragraph that seems accurate or pertinent is "support" the rest of your statement contributes nothing.
Those "protesters" choose the laziest, low effort, just around the corner, easy target with lowest chance of getting hit in the face option. Such fierce warriors.
No, the lowest form and laziest way is yelling it out in twitter and pretending you actually care only just to look like a "good" person.
At least these people are outside, even if it's fckn stupid what they're doing.
@@MegaBusterDude that was the dumbest ive heard.
@@MegaBusterDude I would prefer dumb people not break the law to protest something on the other side of the world, just to be OUTSIDE.
@@MikeB-ev4fh
I did say it was stupid what they're doing lol.
The real way to protest is to move out of the usa so they cant take your tax money. But theyd never move out of america.
Here in the UK when protestors blocked the road they stopped someone taking his mother to hospital, she had permanent consequences for their stupidity. They've no right to block the road, protest on the kerb out of people's way.
Was it just stop oil or pro palestine protesters? How recent are we talking?
@@robertnapier624 it was stop oil and at most 3 months ago
@@raghavshukla2005 Was it the one that turned out to be vegetable oil?
@@Taygon45 same guys different incident
@@robertnapier624 does it matter?
There is no legal right to disruptive protest. Their is a protected right to peaceable assembly and to petitioning the government for redress.
So one set of WOW players is upset at another set of WOW players so they block me who doesn't play WOW from going to work.
Now it makes sense.
If youre going to shut down bridges for a protest you can get a legal permit for that so that the city can create alternative passages to get people where they need to go. The Civil Rights movement including the SCLC and SNCC did this in the 60s and 70s. Look it up.
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They used to march to DC. Nowadays, the Burger King generation can't even muster the stamina to remain standing.
valid point!
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civil rights protesters shut down DC. Guess they shouldn’t have done that because it was disruptive
If TikTok challenges you by default you win
the only way to win is to not play their game
Tiktok brainrot is real
thats child logic
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This is Asmongold's most bad faith video ever when it comes to the topic of free speech to a peaceful protest. The amount of ignorance and false equivalence Asmongold has made, yikes. He should do a stream with someone who covered Palestine issue for years such as Hasanabi
I h8 how they all adopt the same exact speaking patterns and cadences... they're literal NPC's.
They have to put a dot every few words because their brain is buffering
Yes watching this whole video really show how little any of u are original… though it does make ot easy to see their roots
I think it's cuz they've spent their ENTIRE lives in school aka daycare. They've never actually been in the real world.
I have a friend who's been in college for 8 years so far. Is he getting a PHD? No.. He's still working on his bachelor's...
They just have never lived in reality. That's why their logic is non-existent.
The annoying this about this is the way the man speaks. He has every right to voice his opinion, but doing so with the most patronising delivery he can manage makes me want to switch him off.
"Protests are get out of jail free cards."
- The full extent of their argument.
This is Asmongold's most bad faith video ever when it comes to the topic of free speech to a peaceful protest. The amount of ignorance and false equivalence Asmongold has made, yikes. He should do a stream with someone who covered Palestine issue for years such as Hasanabi
But only if the protest supports their own cause of course.
Don’t say you or asmond gold believe in the first amendment
Don’t say that you believe in the constitution
This.
the boston tea party was significant because it was protesting high tax increases on common daily items, like tea, by completely destroying the import of that good, that was owned BY england. the tea was destroyed to the point where it physically could not be sold into the market, causing it to be a net loss to england. how much did the tea cost that the protesters destryoed? almost 2 million dollars in todays currency. they protested the sale of a product, by destroying a large quantity of that said product, before england could ever sell it. they didnt protest the increase of tea by going out and beating up leatherworking artisans.
England never owned the tea. Private enterprises did, british ones at that. this is the same as when people say "england sold slaves"
Fun fact. Those tea boxes contain about 2 million dollars worth of tea because the tea was stored in bricks. Mind you 2m per box.
@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 that is the stupidest thing to ever say. by that logic the US never owned slaves. because private people did.
england own and sold slaves. just like every other country ever known of the world and time. theres not a single country. that hasnt at one point owned slaves.
As someone living near Boston, now all of these folks just say yes when they get bent over for taxes on everything. Every single fucking thing is taxed, and taxed multiple times.
Yet Boston hasn't had a corporate revolution
@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 you missed the part that stated England raised taxes on said tea. Meaning if it got destroyed England couldn't collect tax on said tea and the company lost their potential revenue from that tea.
Modern day equivalent to the pouring tea into the harbor is people not working to not pay personal income tax.
"I'm going to commit crimes because I'm angry at things in the government" Good job. That's how wars start
Protests being disruptive makes everyone else annoyed. Remember when Palestine protestors made it so Christmas lightings were canceled. You think the mom dragging her children out at night to a canceled show is happy to learn about your cause? She could care less about what’s happening in another country
Wait, she does care??
I appreciate Asmon's ability to not only explain his positions consistently on the fly (s-tier), but his ability to remain emotionally unmoved by people who don't even understand his full and nuanced position on a subject. And let me point out the absurd hubris of a man attempting to degrade another person by "putting it in World of Warcraft terms" while presenting a completely polarized view that requires almost no analytical ability to post for high-fives on social media.
You mistake his rationality for his ability to talk about subjects without alienating half his audience.
He has the ability to call something stupid while ignoring the larger picture and root causes.
@@mufasafalldown8401 Care to explain more?
@@mufasafalldown8401 No, rationality is rationality. It doesn't presuppose tiptoeing around to avoid hurt feelings, and this is especially the case when a man has said he's more sympathetic of the Palestinian situation than the Israeli, despite both of them being imperfect.
@@mufasafalldown8401wtf are you yapping please make sense
not to mention, in said analogy, its a proven case that the Grief Issue is againts the rules of the games
He makes the point that "If you buy a coffee you are paying a tax."
Yes. A sales tax. Which is paid to the local city and county level governments. Neither of which have any authority or influence on the United States' foreign policy. Which is the thing you are protesting.
No. Sales tax are collected by the state.
Reminds me of the lady who went to her city council, made some demands about Palestine then threatened to kill them and got arrested. What's the city council going to do about Palestine??
@@finerthings4546There is not real differentiation between local and state officials. Local officials derive their authority from state authority after all, and many act only in their capacity at the will of the State.
@@darklelouchg8505 Not in the United States, though. That's like Federal Constitution 101.
@@finerthings4546 Wrong. Municipal and city sales taxes are absolutely a thing, including in San Francisco and New York, where some of the most disruptive of these "protests" are taking place.
Instead of standing in a road, gather and protest at your city hall... Where the people that represent you work.
Why do people who can't change anything disrupt people that have nothing to do with it? All you do is making the big corporation replace that guy that came to late because of you.
Eventually the corporation will run out of people to replace the guy with. Who would want to go through all the work to be hired, knowing he would be fired less than a week later?
The best way to protest any corporation is through attrition. While this can take the form of boycotts, there are other ways it can be done as well. Granted recently, the government has started just giving free money to companies that are losing money from protests and boycotts, just so they can stay in business. Which is some pretty messed up levels of cronyism.
Protest: To participate in a public demonstration in opposition to something. No where in the definition of protest does it say that the purpose is to be disruptive. The point is to gather publicly and to voice your opposition to something.
no its not. It's to put pressure on lawmakers and the Presidential administration.
@@jonathanborg6242 look up the definition my dude
@@jonathanborg6242 They should vote better politicians in that represent them then
@@jonathanborg6242He worded it poorly and you misunderstood him.
He’s saying that’s what protests are, gathering publicly and voicing opposition
*watches BLM's peaceful protests from 2020*
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Blocking roads also puts emergency services at risk. If someone has a heart attack and needs an ambulance, every second counts.
You think they care if some random person not supporting their world view dies?
No. That's why protests will let emergency vehicles through. And if they don't, then please, by all means, arrest these people immediately.
It doesn't put them at risk at all. The protesters can hear the sirens and let the ambulance through.
@@qaulwartso how will they let an emergncy vehicle through that is stuck in a traffic jam, that the protesters caused but cant see?
unfortunately that isn't how traffic works. The protestors think they are letting them through but in reality they are acting much like a blood clot. They gum up all the roads and prevent responders from getting places.
I protested against the protestors by stealing tvs at my local best buy
A true local hero.
Least disruptive? Seriously, if you want to be disruptive through affecting taxes, guess what. Don't pay your taxes, don't go to work, stand outside of the governmental office that correlates to your complaint and shout at them for hours on end until they listen or until you get removed.
That’s will get you arrested instantly it’s been done but didn’t end well
People need to realize that a protest is most effective when it makes the average person aware of and thinking about the subject of your protest. You don’t want to piss off the same people you’re hoping to recruit
Its like im pissing off 1 ant at a time
1 aint is not a problem but when you piss off a million ants that alot of ants out to hurt you
You rather want that a million ants on your side then against you
no asmongold is wrong. the whole point is breaking the law. if a country has a law that states: no protesting or boycotting, then the people cannot do anything to change the system without breaking the law
@@Victor-oy8bjcopy pasting everywhere like a bundle of sticks makes you look like a bundle of sticks
hong kong protestors?
@@kodosquea1994 haha you really tried so sound clever there. i dont even know how to be offended by being called a bundle of sticks lmfao tf does that even mean
"The end justify the means" is such a toxic mindset
The end justifies the means is incredibly shortsighted.
There is no end. What you do as a means of reaching your goal will always come back to haunt you.
Let not the means of your actions blind you and be the means of your own downfall.
It's not even that, it's actually worse. It's, "The ends justify the means, but only when it's something that I specifically support. For any cause I don't support, the ends *don't* justify the means, and you're a monster for even thinking that would be okay!"
The ends justifies the means is rational *IFF* (and only if) you have weighed the ends and the means against each other.
Most of the time people who do that do not do that.
I have a good example of "The end justify the means" that was well thought out (Note: it does not mean that you have to agree with it, it means that the weighing was done; you will probably assign different weights).
The Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The end was to end the war by wasting as few lives as possible. The means was to go after civilian targets. (Japan didn't have mostly-military targets like how pearl was).
The US would have won that war (They had a bigger navy and better access to natural resources to expand their navy), but it could have taken years, and it is not at all unreasonable to assume that the bombs saved lives on both sides (by number of deaths by the way).
The big problem that "The end justify the means" has these days is that it is just used without weighing, or just by completely unjustifiable weights (like: My cause has infinite weight, the thing we destroy has zero weight).
Thanos mentality.
It's because they believe that "there is no truth but power".
If they are not psychopaths already, they're well on their way there.
The whole idea of stopping people from getting to work and not gaining money has a huge flaw (several actually) but that may stop people from working and possibly even getting fired but it does nothing to stop taxes so basically they chose the most annoying route but also the most useless they are literally achieving nothing
the guy's wow analogy fails because its raid mechanics and world first. your faction doesn't matter. EVERY guild would be doing this. not just one faction. another reason this example fails is because it's too complicated.
Boston tea party might've been the worst correlation of all time, in the dead of night they poured out tea vs people blocking normal civilians from just living life 😂
For a country that isn't their own 😂
It was also specifically for a tea tax. The Boston tea party had a lot of thought and planning to actually impact the crown rather than just mess with people’s day.
Tea is also a commodity that no one needs to live (unless you're british, which was kinda the point)
Also find it funny that during the boston tea party, they dressed up like native americans... wouldn't these people call that cultural appropriation?
Correlation huh? Might want to stick to words you actually know the meaning of
@@iamunrated1247 Correlation works here.
"Fiery but mostly peaceful protest". I will never forget that crazy movement
Neither will the people whose businesses and houses were burned to the ground. Nor those whose loved ones were murdered that year by BLM and Antifa.
That was the most egregious example of a two teir system I've ever seen. My friend got arrested for grilling with his neighbor in their shared backyard but 3-5 blocks away people were burning down businesses and nobody would do anything
its insane how no one holds the media/politicians accountable. they called people protesting to go back to work terrorists but looters and rioters are 'fiery but mostly peaceful, anti fascists'
@@NameIsDocI think the BLM “protests” is what makes people unhappy about January 5th. In many ways it was FAR less egregious than what the BLM movement caused, and yet Jan. 5 pretty much got crucified. It really puts on display how bad the perception of mainstream media and social media has become. Both should be condemned, but only 1 got damned.
Whoever said capitalism is a problem of requiring you to work to live is clearly not a critical thinker. Without capitalism, guess what? You'd still have to work to find food to live. 🤦♂️
The only difference between a riot and a protest is that the main person effected by a protest is the intended target. Meanwhile in a riot, the main person effected by it is everyone else. If your "protest" is "disrupting" the average citizen MORE than it is the person/group you are "protesting" against, then you are NOT protesting, you are rioting.
disruptive to the government, not to innocent citizens.
can i get a list of all the activities that fit that description?
@@RenderingUser That was not in good faith.
I'm sorry, but protesting on the students' own campus is someone's else campus?????? are u re*ard?
@@RenderingUserliterally, look up all the protests and rallies MLK organized in the past, and you’ll see why it was successful
civil rights protesters shut down DC. Guess they shouldn’t have done that because it was disruptive
“You aren’t a revolutionary fighter you are standing in the road” quote of the day.
The quote should include an idiot in between are and standing
no asmongold is wrong. the whole point is breaking the law. if a country has a law that states: no protesting or boycotting, then the people cannot do anything to change the system without breaking the law
But there isn't a law prohibiting protesting wtf?@Victor-oy8bj
What about hong kong protestors?
So why is the "civil rights movement" so celebrated? Was it because it was about bringing down white people? Because they only did that, standing in the road. The problems of black violence, drug use, rape, broken families was never fixed.
I love how he justifies real world destruction of property, blocking emergency vehicles from saving people, etc. because you can do that in a video game? Like how delusional is this man?
Protesters who break the law should be prepared to be arrested and charged. It's really bothersome how they'll act like they should be immune from consequences because they 'have the correct opinions'.
What they are basically are saying is
"Im going to inconvinience you sooo much so that the other guy that isnt directly impacted is getting hurt. So why are you against me hurting you?"
Well put.
You deeply misunderstand protesting. If you are Palestine or a true supporter not larper, then you don't care about any disruption. Just like any protest that you fully support, say stop funding foreign wars and reduce tax, you probably don't mind being inconvenienced.
You are allowed to side with polivr against protesters, it is how unpopular protest works, people side with police against them
@@choweigarytsang1205
We don’t care one way or another about Israel or Palestine. It’s just not our problem, stay out of the roads and stop messing up life for people that aren’t interested or involved.
Go protest at your local government building or write to your politicians if you feel you must. Keep up with this nonsense and the people will spite support whatever group is anti your group.
“Protests are supposed to be disruptive, that’s their entire point” literally the first sentence into his argument and he is incorrect 😂
Guy thinks hes like the tainamen square tank guy😂😂 like.. peolpe here really have no idea how good they have it.
I tried to make this exact point but my comment got shadowbanned again. So I'll just comment here stating that you are correct, dude immediately proved he has no idea what he's talking about
He isn't technically incorrect.
A protest is supposed to be disruptive toward the company/government you are protesting against (it can be because you are an employee of said company/government or because you are exposing their actions).
What is incorrect is to suppose that you must be disruptive to anyone and anything.
In France, (I think it's the same in the USA) you can protest as long as you do not actively disrupt the people not protesting (you cannot block the entrance of a company). However, you can be on the road as long as you stay inside the perimeter that you are stating when you inform the government (the government must accept the protest however which they usually do).
I've heard that quote time and time again when arguing about "just stop oil" protests and I still don't understand where they are coming from. You are making people unsympathetic to your cause by inconveniencing them/pissing them off. Sure you get more attention but until you actually target your protests properly, nobody is going to take your points seriously.
He watches too much AOC
Agree with you 100% on every point you hit. Well said. Also, my two cents: breaking the law when protesting only makes sense if you are protesting the law you’re breaking. It’s called civil disobedience. As long as you don’t injure or kill others it’s potentially justifiable. Doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences though.
Thank goodness TikTok is being banned in US. 🤦🏾♀️🤣
Hurting average people for your own agenda is literal terrorism, to protest is to spread your message of protestation. If you protest by breaking the law and/or causing a problem for everyone other than you, you are damning your own damn cause to be viewed just as stupid and disruptive as you were. In a democracy you can arrange a protest, get permits from the police and in democracies peaceful and legal protests are usually the most successful. In a dictatorship you find a way that allows you to do it legally and anonymously if possible (to protect yourself and your family) in a way your message can spread. You only get disruptive and/or destructive when you can't figure out a better way.
It really shows you are so privileged that everything in life has been spoon fed to you in gold utensils
@@Ugabunga999 I am literally 1 step away from being homeless. Just saying.
@@MrPapamaci88 lmao you could say that and people will still insist you are privileged thats the sad part.
But from experience I can tell people calling out something like that are often the same one who live in big houses and drive fancy cars because they parents had the money :D
@@Ugabunga999says the clearly spoiled.
There is nothing more American than this tik tok guy. Sitting thousands of miles away from an issue or conflict, having never been in that area of the world (or out of this country for most) and, using secondhand info to passionately argue. Stars and Bars baby. Gotta love the comfort we have in the USA.
ummm our tax dollars are going to the conflict - you can see plenty of first hand coverage of it on the internet. You have to have been in a region to have an opinion on conflict your tax dollars are going towards? Dont be silly.
not to mention he couldnt even put his half eaten food down to lecture us
Protest aside, you do know Israel is basically deleting Gaza and everyone inside at this point, right? Around 38k civilians, which include 15k children (source from sites like Oxfam or ReliefWeb). At which point can we say maybe they shouldn't do that?
So true. He’s anti-Israel, which is fine. I would not call Israel innocent of terrible deeds here. But there’s no doubt in my mind that he is not anti-Hamas. Probably pro Hamas, actually. He does not care about money being pumped into Palestine, where it’s known the money goes to Hamas, and funds their terrorist activities. It’s a horrible situation wherein a terrorist group has their bases of operations in civilian areas! It’s not as simple as these protesters think.
To be fair, he brings up government aid offered to these countries, which affects where his tax money goes. I doubt most of the protesters want something changed inside their own country, though.
No, protests are not meant to be disruptive. This is a relatively new idea.
Protests are a mass gathering of people to demonstrate and show there support or issues with a situation.
Protests were not like this when I was growing up, they've changed the definition and expected everyone to just accept it.
I think the best and most direct example of blocking the road having a negative effect on the unrelated citizen, is Truck Drivers. They get paid per delivery, and if that delivery is late they get fines. They also might be so late they can’t pick up their next load. Many company drivers get paid by the mile. Basically they only get paid when the wheels are rolling.
I couldn't even make it 30 seconds into the video before the TikToker said something completely idiotic and wrong. "Protests are supposed to be disruptive". No, they're not. They're meant to be public demonstrations of opposition or support of something. I hate it when these extremists try to redefine words to excuse their shitty behavior.
Completely wrong. Even just chanting in the street is inherently disruptive. If people are gathering in public in any capacity, especially in the hundreds, it is inherently disruptive. I live by a venue that seats a few hundred people, and I can promise you even in an indoor and regular scenario when an event is going on it's disruptive to the surrounding area. If you can sort out how 100, or 200, or 500 people or even more doing literally ANYTHING in unison in a public space can be non disruptive you my friend should apply to your local city planning institutions immediately.
That's completely setting aside whether the AIM of a protest is to be disruptive, it is entirely clear that at any semi significant scale it is pretty much inherent, especially if you consider it downstream from other inherent aspects of a protests (such as being a public demonstration as you mentioned).
@@yScribblezHD There are laws, for example noise ordinances. So no, you couldn't chant to be disruptive for example at 2am. Society has already agreed on these rules.
@@yScribblezHD
I live near a school, and further away is a sports field. I walk home and pass them both, on the way home I hear kids playing in the playground and guys cheering eachother as they play football. They are all loud, but they aren't "trying" to be disruptive. Or are these people also protesting something?
@@yScribblezHD Okay, forbid any celebrations then.
Just like when they say “Everything is political” when you complain about wokeness in media. Acting like political struggle for the senate by palpatine in Star Wars is the same as making every superhero gay is disingenuous. But in both cases, if they don’t minimize their actions they become harder to defend
I work at Walmart and when customers steal to get back at walmart, the manager fires minimum wage employees so that the company is still at a surplus. it's called inventory. When an employee gets to work late due to the protest, it hurts the minimum wage employee more than the manager because the manager gets slightly lower numbers and will eventually decide to fire the employee after inventory. In fact, more than one employee could be fired due to something like this. So while there's no direct one to one of a protest getting someone fired, but there it is.
Then stores open later and close earlier to make up for missing staff instead of being 24 hours they close at 10pm then they open at 10am then they close at 8pm and fire more employees then it continues until it shuts down and best case scenario they move their remaining workers to another store if not all fired
@@vergillives9890 tell me you haven't entered a job without entering a job.
@@ousamadearu5960 i worked at a restaurant for 14 years and thats how 3 other stores shutdown in the area and came to our restaurant the 4th busiest store in the company and 24 hours i explained how those stores shutdown
Used to work at Walmart also.. Work at Amazon now (better pay) In both places you can’t even defend yourself when someone decides to fight you. Straight termination of both places.
Damn this almost made me not wanna steal from a Walmart. Almost
"The roads blocked? Jeeves, get the helicopter." - Some oil exec, probably
People think they are like MLK without even bothering to learn about his own motivations and mentality. They just cherry-pick quotes. He never sat in the street just for the sake of disruption. He was much more nuanced and deliberate with his actions. He also made a strong point of following the law unless the law itself was the target of protest. He had to be thoroughly convinced that organizing marches and strikes in violation of injunctions was itself a protest against the legal system. The end result? Courts ruled that the injunctions were unconstitutional and discriminatory.
Protests are supposed to be disruptive towards the government or organizations being protested, not innocent civilians just trying to live their life
It's why the Canadian Trucker protest worked in that it gained public support. They went out of their way to inconvenience the politicians, not normal people working jobs, nor emergency medial services.
They didn't rob stores and then burn them down.
I hate those protests as much as the next guy but disrupting traffic and daily business does affect the government and organizations.
@@SnackAte The Canadian Truckers targeted the government only, that's why their protest worked; and why every other one turns the public against them.
@@SnackAte There are much more direct ways to target the government organizations then by going through civilians who have nothing to do with your protest
@@rahn45 Might be wrong here since I just read up on that now (very interesting btw) but they also blocked streets in downtown Ottawa. Big difference was that they blocked border checkpoints/trade routes aswell, which takes a bit more resources than the average protest. They also inconvenienced the public, it was just a cause more easily rallied behind.
Sure, protests should be disruptive, but disruptive towards who?
- The average joe who's trying to make ends meet.
- The politicians who have the power.
- The people you are protesting against.
One of these is not like the other, guess which...
no asmongold is wrong. the whole point is breaking the law. if a country has a law that states: no protesting or boycotting, then the people cannot do anything to change the system without breaking the law
@@Victor-oy8bj Except we don't have that law. Blocking traffic is the law they're breaking. They are allowed to protest civilly but instead choose to block roads. Disregarding the fact that this is illegal, it is stupid. You are not hurting the government, you're hurting your fellow citizens. So what is the endgame? He says it hurts via taxes...so is the plan to block all roads and stop all economic activity and cause everyone to shut down business and lose their jobs? You are then the enemy of everyone at that point.
@@RedMage117 you're talking to a guy who copypasted his comment to the other comments in this video
@@RedMage117 it shouldnt be hurting the citizens. by causing workers to be late to work it forces bigger companies to address and change things so people stop protesting. workers who are late from work have an excuse bc theres nothing they could do. workers late to work cuts down on productivity and makes the bigger company make a change so people stop coming late to work.
This guys a bot I swear.
Tiktok as a platform should cease to exist, it is such a dump tbh.
The thing is that people don’t think about why you need a permit to block the road. What if someone gets fired and now has to desperately look for a job in order to feed his family. What if a pregnant woman is forced to give birth on the road because she can’t make it to the hospital. What if someone dies in an ambulance truck because the ambulance can’t make it to the hospital. What if someone dies in a house fire because the fire truck can’t get to them in time. What if you get ran over because someone didn’t see you protesting on the road and couldn’t stop in time. People need to think before they go and block the street for a conflict that has been going on for generations.
They're not just blocking peopoe on their way to work, there's people going to interviews, going to dates, going to visit dying family/friends, going to births etc
This is the most important part. They wouldn’t budge a gif damn foot infront of an ambulance with a dying patient inside. Isn’t this basically murder??? You might as well burn houses at that point but ohhhh nooooo that is a bad thing to do as opposed to blocking the road
One time my BIL was late to wotk and got written up because I couldn't get to their place on time to babysit my nephews because people were protesting the RNC event that was at an event center a few blocks away. They were blocking streets and entrances to any parkin ramps that they thought might have Republican attendees of the RNC event parking in those ramps.
TikTok cooked a generation
Absolutely.
To a crisp
Just ban that shit out honestly
@@potatoslice-tv5rw It would only make things worse, TikTok is not an app, it's a type of content and if the App that host said content is banned it would only move to other platforms, mainly CZcams.
It's like when Tumblr went down and all their users migrated ro Reddit and Twitter making them more insufferable than they already were, or when Vine went out and _gems_ like the Paul brothers moved to CZcams.
There's no ridding said content, that's why Tiktok should not get ban because it's true value it's that it's cringe it's contained.
@@potatoslice-tv5rw I dont care for the government's TikTok ban. Not because I support TikTok-it's terrible. But the ban feels like US tech companies pushing to eliminate their biggest foreign rival by lobbying the government. If the US government we're truly concerned with China using their products against the US and its populace we should scrutinize all Chinese-made infrastructure and household smart devices, not just TikTok.
Also I'm not not a fan of government censorship and this could spring board for of that.
Protests are supposed to be disruptive, not illegal. Unfortunately laws are made in such a way that disrupting most things is by definition illegal.
Asmon's lemur ancestors were definitely marauders
It’s so clear this dude didn’t even look up Asmond full stance. He instantly walks right into Asmond whole point with the Boston tea party. His point was you should disrupt and protest the thing that is wrong. In the case of the tea party the tea was being taxed without representation so they tossed the tea into the harbor. Last time I checked the road and the people commuting on it are not the ones you are protesting
Would you say the same thing to MLK who used the same tactics
@@mugi_c4420
Considering the people oppressing the black people were the white people in the cars they were blocking, yes. I would.
The people your blocking on the road are average citizens, not the people causing the problems. Their not the Israeli government, nor are they the politicians who are sending funds to Isreal.
Go protest at the mayor's office, or protest in the capital. Your protest needs to make sense. Blocking random people in traffic and fucking up their lives doesn't make sense, and actively hurts your cause multitudes more than it helps.
@@steeltownwebreally shows how much these kids pay attention in school compared to paying attention to woke idiots in Tik Tok.
@@mugi_c4420get back here and counter argue his point, he basically destroyed you. Now I want to see the response, or delete the post 😂😂
@dan4500 Nooo. Don't delete. Evidence of stupidity must be preserved for others to learn from.
His analogy is braindead because either the players behaviour is within the games rules and should be allowed or is against the games rules and shouldn’t be allowed… blocking traffic is against the law (the games rules) and therefore shouldn’t be allowed.
His analogy is also bad because bruiseweed is wildly available in a lot of zones both horde AND alliance controlled. So even on a pvp server, it's a non-issue. Even if you have a griefer, it's not going to stop people from gathering bruiseweed as beyond the timer to gather, no loot is dropped on death. And scalpers are just going to control the market anyway so...
Dude just has no idea how the game is played lol.
I didn't really understand the comparison but does it even compare to protesting? How does stopping people from getting an item in a game in anyway compare to stopping people getting to work when they have nothing to do with what you're protesting about?
@@Stevo.100 stopping people getting to work should be close as DDOS the whole fucking server, not just stopping people from getting an item
@@wdf70 He probably doesn't play WoW, and just got some facts from a wiki or something
is supporting genocide and vetoing cease fire to stop it within or against the rules? and what if your "democratic" corrupt government just ignores you? you just peacefully protest see it doesnt work and go home while tens of thousands of people keep dying?
"your not a revolutionary fighter, you're standing in the road" is the best phrase I've ever heard in my life 😂
"This is a problem with capitalism requiring you to work to be able to live, not a problem with protests"
HOLY COW! This comment displays the void in their heads perfectly.
These people doesn't even realise that the working to be able to live is not exclusive to capitalism. It's present in EVERY SINGLE political ideology and economic. What, do they think things in USSR were different just because they were socialist?
There are legal ways to protest. Blocking public roads IS NOT one of those ways. Period.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you lose. XD
Legal protesting has not accomplished anything ever
@@mr.m2659so illegal protesting is justified and will accomplish anything? It worked well when they raided & in their minds "protested" the Capitol. huh
@@mr.m2659cards playing in traffic are really reaching the hearts and minds of the communities public trying to get to work. These protest are effecting normal citizens who have no say or power in anything the protesters want changed. Go protest in the rose garden, not block a street.
@@mr.m2659 If you're going to break a law during a protest you should break a law that has something to do with what you're protesting. Gandhi broke the salt laws MLK broke segregation laws it was all logical. Standing in the road isn't a logical protest of Israel in Gaza. You're drawing attention away from what it is your protesting by standing in the road now people are arguing about that. Its all just very short sighted and illogical.
That world of Warcraft analogy is incorrect. Because what the alliance players would do is ddos the horde player so they can't play the game at all and so they can't farm. That would be a correct comparison
The reason why the boston tea party is different is because it had a direct impact on the crowns trade. Standing in the street does not have a direct impact on tax income and how its allocated. Youre paying the same tax whether you make it to where you need to be or not
Man, if I ever was stopped by these kinds of causes that hurt not only me but people in general just trying to get by, I'm going to support and donate to whatever they are protesting against.
I can say with 100% certainty that the bro used ChatGPT to make the WoW analogy.
It's not even a good analogy.
lol i bet they scared to protesting in white house, embassy or president house because they know they will get shot by secret police, of course they choose the weakest one which is civilian
@@gusrockes neither did Kevin claim it was. You're not smart for benig able to parrot.
It's all convoluted tiktok tankie babble.
whats your opinion on Bruiseweed?
The most important part of protests, is the organizing and message behind them. If you are harming innocent civilians trying to get on with their life, you aren't actually doing either of those things (no organization, no message).
Yeah the effect is actually the opposite. You make people hate whatever you are protesting for
Would like to point out 2 things, first some of the protests that are happening are similar to some that occurred during the industrial revolution. Workers would protest in the work place to prevent work getting done by those who were brought on to replace those protesting. It was made illegal to do this type of protest due to multiple factors. It's also illegal to do it in the middle of the street in part because of safety reasons.
Second, the Boston tea party wasn't just in protesting the English crown but it was in protesting something that was occurring throughout all British colonies. The raw materials were being shipped to England and finished product shipped and sold back to the colonies. In fact a number of colonies such as India were prohibited from making certain products such as homespun clothing. They threw tea into the ocean in protesting this practice since the tea was being manufactured in England but grown in other colonies.
People are protesting films and games by not buying or playing them. I've been to a couple protests in the late 90s-early 2000s outside of a federal building in Los Angeles that in part was also a rave. These were both done legally.
The Boston Tea Party was aimed at the British East India Company in response to the Tea Act of 1773. The British East India Company was a public and State Owned Enterprise. This means it was a publicly traded company but was owned by a government entity, creating profit for the monarchy of Great Britian. The protest both directly reflected the views of the group and effected the entity in which it was protesting. Comparing this to people blocking the streets in the U.S. and effecting the lives of regular Americans to protest what's happening in another country shows this man has no idea what he is talking about.
This guy: "well blocking random people in the street is the analogous to the alliance guild disrupting horde guild's supply lines."
Bruh, the dude trying to get to his shift as a waiter or go to a class they paid to take isn't even in the horde guild. They are just some random dude doing dailies and maybe gathering a flower because its shiny. Even if you stretch your logic to the point where you say they are funding Israel through taxes (which they have almost no individual say over), you are screwing random people over just to stop a Quarter from making its way over to Israel.
Whats funny about this is the way that these things are directly funded are not tax dollars but through the federal reserve banking system. Everyone knows these smuglets dont have the audacity to go protest there.
They don't like people funding Israel with taxes, but then every single one of them will vote for Democrats who raise their taxes and send more money to Israel
That's a great way to get people on your side..inconvience them in every way possible.
Exactly, it's like you don't want people empathetic towards your cause.
Trying to cause that kind of negativity and I guarantee that they will be telling every friend, family, acquaintance and possibly clients or customers and trying to get them not to support your cause in any way shape or form!
I understand it as most of these folks are desperate for meaning in world with high static, making a fool of yourself gets you views. It's a fine line between being heard and being disruptive. They should've chose another avenue to voice their position.
@@user-zj6tl2jt9h Agreed, I think it's how they go about things that is the issue. The old adage good idea maybe? Improper execution of said idea most definitely.
You have to apply critical thinking. For instance in this situation #1 is this a legal way to go about it? How am I positively or negatively impacting others from this? How will I(myself), my cause benefit from this?
The way I look at what they are doing. Someone had an idea on how to protest, no one questioned it or gave it critical thought and instead jumped straight to action.
I think getting views and negative attention is all it received. But maybe it was more for negative attention? People sometimes lie to themselves exactly what it is they want. Even subconsciously. Even when they tell the truth a proper solution or the ability to make a difference the right way is far more difficult than taking the wrong way out.
Almost like being disruptive IS the real cause.....
I was in Seattle during Chaz and nothing made me rage more than ppl blocking police and ambulances trying to respond to calls. Its not just ppl going to work you're blocking its also emergency responders.
If I can't get to my work, you're going to auto-fail to convince me.
The catagorical imperative of obstructing roads in protest doesnt hold much water im afraid
People miss the point that a protest is a negotiation. If you have no leverage whatsoever, you're just disturbing people for no reason.
I thought a protest is about spreading awareness lmao
@@TheZeagonI think it’s half what the other guy said half what you say.
It's not for negotiation at all, it's to raise awareness. Protests happen because negotiation failed.
@@ETBrooD protests are a forced negotiation. It's crazy that even protestors don't understand the reason why they are protesting. Ultimately what protestors seek is change, right?
So, again, by standing on a street you have no leverage to get to your goal. If "raising awareness" was the intent, it'd probably be more succesful just making a post on X or a video on CZcams, since it'd have worldwide reach.
@@vigarioista
or hell I don't know, making signs, protesting on a street corner, organizing a proper protest with signs and chants going on a tour of the town weekly.
What people forget is that protests should distrupt THE PEOPLE THEY ARE PROTESTING AGAINST. Not random people unrelated to their issue.
If I want to protest against a new casino opening in my city how is disrupting the local nursing home for elders going to help?
Maybe those elders will be confused and vote for your cause accidentally out of spite?
These protestors are ususally leftists who see all of society as the enemy. They do some mental gymnastics and theory to justify their bullshit, but in their minds everyone who does not want to destroy "the system" is complicit in whatever grievance they have. You are guilty, allways and everywhere.
@@watersnortmoment3734 or more likely they will dislike your actions and vote against you?
@@watersnortmoment3734lmfao vote for you in spite? Nah more likely they would do the opposite wtf
Asmongold supports hongkong. so?
To the comment saying "If i care about Palestine what would be the right way to protest then?"
Literally having a proper protest where you gather in front of a government building where people can actually act instead of in the middle of the road.
I don‘t get how this is so hard to understand.
This is more along the lines of killing every hoard player just cause two guilds are fighting. Someone just doing regular questing getting caught in random cross fire
Only time blocking the road would be relevent is if you were protesting the road itself.
Or at the very least maybe a road that leads to a specific location
Not really, it wouldn't effect the road. Only travelers using the road.
@@Hath.0Think for 2 seconds
@@Hath.0re-read your 2 statements, but slower.
@@Arcademan09 The location, or you are protesting the users of the road.
"Protests are supposed to be disruptive." Said every protestor ever, and no one else. There's nothing about the concept of protest that necessitates disruption, unless you only see protest as valid if it seeks to intimidate and coerce people into supporting your cause. That's not protest, it's terrorism.
In this case that would be domestic terrorism.
So what's the purpose of a protest? How is a protest to work and have effect?
@@qaulwart By gathering in ways that don't disrupt but can garner support because if what you're protesting about is sound and fair to the majority it can begin to side with you. If it goes on long enough with enough people talking about it and agreeing with it, governments start to take notice because all those people can vote. If it's some niche 'I just want my own way' thing the majority can't get behind or justify, not so much.
@@tkps A protest that isn't disruptive is a protest that goes unheard.
@@ravenzyblackalways needs large crowds to "protest" if they have no crowds the "protest" ends because they always need shields thats why women will bring babies like during covid for depth perception
What those people don't understand, is that in a bigger picture there will be no difference in budget income at the end of the year, whether they block the traffic or not. Money will just go through different flow...
We had a big road cut issue years ago here in Madrid, Spain, when Cabify started, with the public taxi service drivers protesting against private companies because basically until then they had had no competition and they were basically a mafia. They decided to cut many highways, connecting the airport among others. I couldn't get to work that day, and i made less money that month of course. People were tried and sentenced for that shit, not to mention the hit to the public opinion -To this day i still haven't used a public taxi again. So yeah, leave the freakin roads alone and go fight for something that actually matters
Fun fact: The founding fathers made the people who participated in the Boston Tea party, pay for the tea they destroyed.
Really?
Personally, I think protests that inconvenience the average citizen only harm the cause they are protesting for. If you're trying to pressure the government into doing something, go inconvenience them, not the average citizen trying to get to work.
which is how protests were handled, in America, right up until the millennials.
They used to march to DC- now, the Burger King generation can't even muster the stamina to stay standing for their cause.
This. The people they are disrupting, have zero say or power of the situation they are protesting. Politicians are who they should be disrupting.
Yea the only thing they get out of the common person they disrupt is disdain for their protest and in turn less sympathy for their cause. Why would someone support a cause that is actively inconveniencing them while the other side doesn’t.
should protestors hold a blockade and filter the 'average citizen' from the government?
@@nokomoko8832 Not at all. These politicians have offices and the address to those offices is public information. Blocking a bridge, or street in another state, camping out on a college campus while marching, chanting and holding a sign dosent effect the individuals passing these funding bills or directly responsible for what's being protested.
0:22 No, it's not.
That's just harassment.
The point of a protest is to make people aware of the problem and gain sympathy from them.
If you harass people so they hate you and, by proxy, what you're fighting for, your protest is a failure in every way shape and form.
The only way for disruption to be acceptable is if the ones getting disrupted are the ones you're protesting against.
"Why not just *act of violence here*?"
Because the whole point is to be as disruptive as possible *without* crossing the line by using violence.
I love how they think this will somehow make the people they're blocking on the road sympathize with them instead of hate them even more
I have never, and will never vote Republican, but I specifically didn't vote for Obama in 2008 because my BIL got written up for being late to work because I couldn't get to his place on time to babysit my nephews (so that he could go to work) because leftist protestors were blocking streets and parking ramps near the event center where the RNC event was being hosted. Not only did they feel entitled to make people late to work, but they felt entitled to stop people from attending a legally organized event that they are legally allowed to go to. So fucked up
People also automatically hate asmon because he's successful in an unconventional lifestyle, they always bring up his dirty house rather than counter his logic
Also he’s very straightforward in his logic and people take it as rude or unsympathetic.
@@Belligerennt ur joking
asmonds logic is incorrect. He says in a monarchy you dont have representation.
*Thats untrue, which shows how much he really knows about anything.*
Colonies all had representatives during that time that reported back to the crown and took proposals and grievances. The problem was, these people were *FINANCIALLY incentivised* to prioritize the wants of the crown over the colonies.
Kinda like how Israeli donors do to our politicians. So the colonies chose civil disobedience.
2. Its not voting season and every week you do nothing is 100+ dead in Gaza. Those lives actually matter to the protestors. Unlike asmond who thinks making someone late for work should weigh more on his Conscience than Toddlers in gaza being operated on with Anesthesia...
@@ljeans531 If those lives actually mattered to the protestors they’d be over there helping and not bothering random people in the streets.
@@Belligerennt some people don't have the money or means. Or have responsibilities here. So they are doing what they can while you do nothing but beret then.
@@ljeans531 They have means to sit around all day doing nothing but can’t go to another country? Sure. What they’re doing is about as effective as me doing nothing and the difference is i’m not being a nuisance to others.
WOW reference?? I went cross eyed - just finish your pop tart bro 😂
How do we draw the line between a protest and a prank? Illegal means illegal and should face repercussions.
disrupting the minimum wage worker's trip to their day job does not make people support you, in fact it make everyone hate you and your cause more and makes people find every reason to be against your cause
It's genuinely baffling how people can't get this. When has, "I'm gonna keep being a horrible nuisance until you agree with me!" ever worked?
It's so braindead that it makes me wonder if the supporters know that they aren't winning anyone over, and are just using it as an excuse to be shitty to people while also indulging in moral superiority.
@@CatacombD Because it's not about bringing people to the "cause", it's about making an enemy out of everyone that's not with them and then justifying being more and more extreme as people push back. You can see it when he implies that everyone that's not with them is an enemy with the WoW analogy.
It's so stupid that people think disruptive = good protest. A good protest is discriminate, a good protest is targeted specifically at those who cause or continue the problem. If you make me late for work and throw a free Palestine sign in my face, all you are doing is making me mad and telling me exactly who I should be mad at, free Palestine protestors. And oh my God, these people are insufferable trying to compare themselves to the Boston tea party or MLK, it's pathetic and narcissistic. There's ZERO connection between their cause and their protests. The boston tea party was very targeted, the only private property that was destroyed was a lock, and the revolutionaries replaced it. They disrupted the government, not private citizens.
For all you college students out there...
There appears to be a discernible disparity between protests that carry substantive significance and those that seem futile. The flawed reasoning of individuals engaging in disruptive acts like blocking roads lies in the inconsistency between their objective of impeding US aid to Israel and the actual repercussions of their actions. In contrast, historical instances of protest cited in the counterargument were characterized by direct challenges to injustice. For instance, during the era of the American Revolution, activists symbolically dumped tea into the Boston Harbor to protest unjust taxation without representation, thereby condemning the immoral tea trade between England and the colonies. Similarly, within the context of the Civil Rights Movement, African Americans employed tactics such as sit-ins and bus boycotts to both highlight their unequal treatment and actively confront discriminatory laws. Transposing this historical lens onto contemporary scenarios, it becomes evident that some protests lack a clear cause or a willingness to make personal sacrifices for their convictions. For instance, if one discovers that their college is invested in activities contributing to the plight in Gaza, a tangible course of action could involve transferring to an institution not implicated in such activities to prevent personal funds from perpetuating the issue. Moreover, if one finds the US government's financial support of Israel morally objectionable, they could advocate for change by channeling efforts towards supporting political candidates who oppose such allocations, thus effecting change through democratic processes.
TLDR: I'm too old for this shit
actually asmonds logic is incorrect. He says in a monarchy you dont have representation.
Thats untrue, which shows how much he really knows about anything.
Colonies all had representatives during that time that reported back to the crown and took proposals and grievances. The problem was, these people were FINANCIALLY incentivised to prioritize the wants of the crown over the colonies.
Kinda like how Israeli donors do to our politicians. So the colonies chose civil disobedience.
2. Its not voting season and every week you do nothing is 100+ dead in Gaza. Those lives actually matter to the protestors. Unlike asmond who thinks making someone late for work should weigh more on his Conscience than Toddlers in gaza being operated on with Anesthesia...
@ljeans531
Firstly, if you read my response, it had very little to do with how I felt about asmongold's response. Secondly, Asmongold is wrong in that most colonies have representation within a monarchic system, but the point he made still stands in that representation doesn't equate to power. Our 'representatives' (congress) within the US democratic system have the power to vote on laws for the entirety of the nation, unlike monarchic representatives who could only plead their case to those in real power. Thirdly, I merely provided one avenue of protest that would be more meaningful as per the objectives of the two separate protests discussed within the video. If your main objective was to protect Palestinian lives as opposed to stopping US support of Israel there are still other means of protest like supporting anti-Likudian Protests in Israel, or supporting health work and food insecurity needs within Gaza, and other avenues that don't involve messing with people who have very little to do with the problem. Things like sponsoring community fundraisers and even working towards putting a percentage of your income towards the cause are all significantly more effective and directly combat the killings of innocent Palestinians that continue to this day.
TLDR: The purpose and method of a protest must coincide for it to be meaningful. Your purpose is different than that of both groups discussed in the video, as I assume you are primarily in favor of saving as many Palestinians within Gaza as possible. As your purpose is different, the methods by which one would protest that purpose would be vastly different.
As one of my favorite creators says "Moral doesn't mean legal and Stonewall was a riot."
Makes me wonder how this guy would feel if someone close to him needed serious medical attention but couldn't get it because the ambulance was being blocked by protesters.
Or if it was maga doing the same thing
That require this man to think about others. Not going to happen.
That requires a broad mindset, self love and TRUE empathy which the tik tok guys probably never have received in life nor do they have it themselves
And the fire trucks like Minneapolis when they blocked them same with Kenosha "protestors" blocking all around
How often exactly have protesters refused to let an ambulance through? You're practically making up a fantasy scenario.
If they really wanted to protest against the government sending money to Israel, then why didn't they protest in front of the government? Wouldn't being disruptive to the government be a better way to protest against the government than being disruptive to other citizens?
Asmon admits at the start of the video that "we have the ability to change society via voting" - and since EVERYONE'S vote is equal - protesting the masses via blocking the road is extremely effective.
@@FrankLucas-pw5hs Then why block the road and not the entrance of an election booth?
Asmongold is still right. Preventing civilians from using the road is not the correct way to protest.
@@FrankLucas-pw5hs It is extremely effective... For the other side.
@@FrankLucas-pw5hs how it is effective? People now hate protesters and their cause. Even if someone was neutral, after sitting blocked in the road they will choose the other side.
So their protests do only one thing, sway more people the other way.
Is that how you define effective?
Because if you have to protest at the place in which the people you’re protesting against are it would inconvenience the protesters.
The wow ost sounding mid way through the video was top. Well done, editor, very well done!
Zack just doesn’t miss. Love how he is willing to take the criticism, acknowledge when they’re right, and unapologetically stand on his opinions and the facts that back them. Goodness I love this man.