STRUCTURE FIRE in NEW KENSINGTON, September 05, 2020
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03:36, September 05, 2020
Stations 56 1~5 (New Kensington), 95 1 & 2 (Arnold), 69 (Lower Burrell)
526 Constitution Blvd., New Kensington
Residential Structure fire
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Ok. Who else said to themselves after the first few moments, "This ain't going out any time soon."
My thoughts exactly...
Ok who after reading that comment said, of another wanna be fireman...✋🏻
Moments??? I knew based off the title
Sort of but had hopes when they appeared to get it under control until the one firefighter kicked out the windows, really stupid idea. When it turned into a blow torch at the upper level, I knew it was a done deal and that guy could've been roasted.
Yup especially since those guys stood around with hoses in hand and didn’t bother spraying water on it until after the whole thing was fully engulfed.
I think we’d all be better off if that department simply delivered the trucks and equipment to the scene, then let the citizens take over and use it. That Chief with his giant ego and absolutely nothing to back it up makes a huge mess out of every situation he arrives on. I’m honestly surprised his guys don’t stand up to him. They’ve gotta know what a laughing stock their department is under his rein. 🤦♂️
"Tank to pump, Frank"
I know right? I thought that was him. Turns out it is him. #TankToPumpFrank
Yep.
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I think frank was driving the 1st due wagon
Well, I'll be using this as a "what not to do" training session for my guys next shift.
I am not a fire fighter I would love to be one, I have a calling to help others in many ways one spiritually but I believe in the physical sense of doing what I can. In this video within minutes i seen a handful of what not to dos and a few that seemed to not know what to do, whether they were mentally groggy or physically groggy but just seem that the direction was not there from the battalion captain or the Chief on sight . Just seemed off. I think one line should had been used preventative to the adjacent house I believe on the Bravo side ( right side video or left side of house). I think the one who went up alone to break windows was a little hmm...dangerous as he broke the one set and flames immediately came out he got lucky really lucky. The 2nd set of windows the way the smoke came out Nearly made me think of a back blast in the making you could see the pressure built up but i think by breaking the first it relieved some of the pressure that could had been dangerous. please correct me if i am wrong and Please feel free to contact me on here Id love to ask some questions.
@@mikemuppet3807 learn first then you make comments. Until you complete the mandatory NFPA training to become a firefighter your words carry little weight. Example the alpha side is the front of the structure. The bravo side is the side that is on the left when facing the structure. The charlie side is the rear of the structure and the delta side is to the right when facing the structure it always goes clockwise around the structure. Smoke explosions are always a constant danger and any trained and experienced FF knows that which is why they stand to the side when breaking windows the other thing is if you can see the fire or the interior of a room then the danger of a smoke explosion is minimal. One final thing back blast, this is not a correct term it is called a backdraft or smoke explosion.
I hope you do pursue a career in the fire service and I think it admirable that you are wanting to be a firefighter. The best advice I have for you is listen to your training officer and the officers once you are allowed on the fireground doing so will greatly increase you knowledge and while you are learning may save your life.
@@retiredvolly8682 Sometimes common sense is the best action one can take!! Why was the house on the Bravo side not protected from the beginning like that on the other side ( Delta)? The firefighter smashing the front windows to allow the heat to get out of the structure had a narrow escape. When he saw the reaction to his first smashed window he should have retreated as it was obvious the other one would do exactly the same! That said there was no immediate backup from any hose/deck gun to take advantage of these two broken windows! (For that matter the very effective Deck Gun was very slow to get powered up and to assist in the fire. Eventually water was injected throught the windows to good effect! As a matter of interest why was the deck gun left pouring water onto the street and taking no part in the effort??? All in all a pretty poor show for this chief and his control of the equipment and his guys for they are after all, only doing what they are told. Well covered Steven
Darren Hemp, I'm with you, I served fulltime firefighter for 32 years in UK with a chief officers commendation and I've never seen such amateur fire fighting in my life.
They should of focused on that exposure FIRST!
First.... Outstanding video!! Great job!!
I'm at a loss here.. all the comments on here pretty much sums everything up in a nut shell. I just don't understand why measures are not being taken to improve the overall operations in this department. A few weeks back we watched the chief burn his hand on the hand rail when he threw command out the window and went to fighting the fire himself. Your the chief, be the chief and lead your men and women.
Please explain specifically what was done wrong...
@@virgilhilts3924 ARE YOU F**CKING KIDDING Virgil ? You would be as much of an idiot as this chief if you, as a layman to fire fighting, can not see what is wrong.
He thinks he's the Rambo of firefighting.
Deck gun? Nah, we'll make a human centipede ground monitor.
Best comment yet 🤣🤣🤣
5 guys 1 line. 🤦♂️ first time for everything.
It seems to work sooooo much better if ya put the pipe UNDER the mainline when ya loop it. 🤷♂️
I was laughing when I saw that. I was thinking what are they trying to hold down the water main...LOL Perfect comment.
It was a literal cuddle puddle. Those boys have on their rainbow 🌈 shirts under their turnout gear.
I pray that this department gets the necessary training to fight fires like this. It’s obvious they need A LOT of work.
How so...?
@@virgilhilts3924 ah Virgil…
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Cant answer eh cupcake... 🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 flame on fireman
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Still cant answer eh cupcake... 🤣
Very good job showing us this horrific raging fire. I didn’t know what fire was really capable of until I viewed your video. Thank you very much for this contribution.
Where have you been under a rock
Guys, watch ladder truck. Not used at first. Then they raise it up UNDER the power lines along the street instead of raising ladder first above the power lines and swinging it into place.
Yeah that was really cringy to watch, and the power lines were swinging a lot at one point. This was not safely executed, lots of training needs to be done.
The ladder was positioned under the cable lines. Better use of the ladder would have bean between the height tension and the cable service no need to put anybody on it. And on top of that the ladder should have aimed the water into the attic. Fire would have been knocked new at a greater rate.
Had that engine been positioned properly, it's deck gun could have been used to far greater effect.
it would of been dam near knocked down and primed for a transitional attack if the pumper lined up with the driveway.
And provided great exposure protection
Another deck gun guy!! Where do you guys come from? Crawl out from behind the keyboard to comment on a video when it suits you. Deck guns are nice, but when you need to do a primary search, they cause more harm then good. You making steam, and steam burns and kills( ask a clam) so a search is done, and sizeup. If you knew anything about firefighting you would know this. But I forgot your keyboard junkie
@@glennhuber4975 So instead of attacking you im going to give you something to think about instead of joining the nonsense that is spewed on youtube. We can start from the attic and work our way down. When the video starts the attic space is fully involved (untenable). The second floor is 75% involved and when the windows were vented on the "A" side it instantly flashed thus making the 2nd floor untenable and killed everyone in it. Had there been a victim on that A side 2nd floor he was already dead and companies would of never been able to make that push even in pre flashover conditions. The fire load would need to be dealt with. The first floor definitely was ripe for an aggressive search on the A and B sides. Master streams on the 2nd and attic would have zero steam concerns for the first floor. The engine had the right idea at the start of the video but it was placed incorrectly. The guys on scene here understood big water and they attempted an exterior knock with multi 2 1/2 hose lines. A well placed and suppled engine with an initial deck gun and then hose lines interior for mop up would of done wonders.
@@hihfty I think you have answered Glenn's criticism !!!!
What a disgusting display of incompetence.
When a structure is blow torching like it was at first, Never have a fire fighter go near any windows. The man on the porch roof was almost roasted. I also saw a few more areas where more care needs to be taken. The fire is under control, nobody got hurt so Good job.
I know that was a really stupid idea of the firefighter on the roof, he could've been injured or killed. The very least he could've done was had a hose with him, that was painful to watch especially since it appeared to be well under control and contained until he kicked out the windows.
Oh that chief again. A real winner there!
That guy needs to go! What a loser!
you should see the shed fire video . Can't even do that right
"Take out those windows on the 2nd floor" Yah, great idea, Chief!!!! 🤦♂️
I was watching that thinking why bother at that point...just fill the structure with water. The fire is already breathing.
That could have turned bad..
I have steam coming out of my ears after watching this video.
Damn... Opening those two front windows sure added fuel to the fire.
An immediate inferno.
While you will note my criticism above, the opening up of the windows was to allow hot gases to escape and reduce the overall temperature within the structure. That said he had a very close call and was even more fortunate that the second window being smashed didn't get him! All down to training and leadership at the end of the day!!
@@murrayhall908 Except that's been proven to be untrue over and over. Ventilating a vent limited fire makes the fire worse. I don't understand why this idea is still around, just watch, after he vented those windows, do you think the temperature in the building dropped? Of course not, they gave the fire what it needed, oxygen, and it turned into an instant inferno.
Never smash out windows unless you have a coordinated attack at the same time. In addition, you should never take out windows of an attic fire under most conditions.
@@murrayhall908 go watch some UL studies
@@rjwilson116 i figured that FF was gonna get blown off that porch roof !!!
That house was gone the minute they broke the alpha side windows. Flashover was crazy. At that point, protect your exposures.
Ive never seen a department so slow at getting water out of the hoseline. took way to long to get water out of a master stream.
Hey there fire fighters the help you when you house burns down now stop complaining about how long it takes to get water running from a fire truck
sky clan stop talking about something you know nothing about
Omg you right about that,my friend is an FDNY here in nyc and they are just so quick to deal with any emergency
"Never"? Have you observed many departments?
@@k1ll3rdracco50 Obviously you aren't a firefighter.
It’s never a good sign when the fire gets significantly worse after the fire department arrives.......
The part where they sat down their hoses and started roasting hotdogs is what did it for me. Those guys are true professionals! Heroes! 🤦♂️💩😂🤣
Good job! You guys saved another foundation.
Got that right
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OMG forget the fire blowing out the front windows. Protect the house on D side
Yeah that attic is gone already
How about directing the water through the windows onto the burning material instead of At the windows to eliminate the threat and then you don't need to turn into Fountain Statues and squirt water at the exposures?
@Erich Weiler the original fire building attic. At around 24 minutes in the video they put a line into the attic window from ground level.
@Erich Weiler there was a short period where they squirted down the d side exposure you're right.
@@JB91710 @JB91710 you weren't there so you know nothing of what was actually going on. Defensive fire fighting involves surround and drown as well as protection of exposures to isolate the fire to the fire building in this case the crews did their best and the fire building was a loss on arrival So the fire attack was eventually transitioned to an interior attack after the main body of fire was knocked down. I know this because I observe everything and don't close my mind to what others have to say. I know you are an asshole who thinks he knows better than anyone else. Also you are an idiot who does not give respect to others the male version of a Karen. You would do much better sticking to your replica car builds.
Why does vertical venting work? This is simple the Combustion reaction creates heat and causes a coefficient of expansion that produces gasified compounds and pressure. The combination of pressure and the tendency of heat to rise because of lowered density from the cooler air entering the structure and the openings created by the fire attack companies pushes heat and smoke up and out through the roof. I do agree that there are times when vertical venting should not be done, however there are times when it can be both a victims and firefighters best friend.
Thank you for posting this video.
I have been missing your videos Sir. I hope all is well with you. This was a great video. I wish this Chief could learn your style of leadership instead of just yelling and barking.
Good training in what you shouldn't do.
THANKS YOU for chiefs like you Chief Decker who cares
Need to go and train that Rambo chief how it's done.
@@johntmcguirejr8526 every chief has his own style of leadership and a number of FFs i noted did not have radios so yelling was the only way to communicate with them.
Watch your videos. I watched in the beginning actually no water pressure and that was a big problem. The str has hydrants pulling ot the same main. If a terrible main no matter pumping it you cannot pull the water. I see a lot of people commenting and have no idea how the supply system effects fighting fires. Chief works with what he had and that was bad water supply. Would you comment on the importance of a bad system and its impact
I'm not a fire fighter, but have the entirety of my life around fire fighters like dad who was a volunteer for well over 35 years, along with my uncles and grand father who all have or are serving as volunteer ff. I know that this fire should have been 100% Defensive and in no should any fire fighter entered the building or have been on the roof. The guy who was on the porch roof could have easily been killed due to him breaking that window out that was about ready to go. I would take this video and show to the state fire marshall's office, county/city government, etc. to ensure that the people in charge is 100% held accountable if they still hold that position.
They made it a defensive fire with absolutely horrible tactics. That is NOT defensive.
If the goal at 5:00 was to make the second floor light up like a thousand suns I would say mission accomplished.
Thanks for the video! Here in Germany/ Bavaria, in a small town with volunteer FF we use this video for training. It's entertaining to have a really, really bad example.
You guys had a lot of experience when we blasted your country to bits.
@@jrzerelocatedpatriots3862 burrrrrrn. Pun intended.
Please explain specifically what was done "really really bad"...
@virgilhilts3924 Come on, Virgil. Every time people do explain, you are nowhere to be found.
What does that have to do with anything.@@jrzerelocatedpatriots3862
The chief's a "screamer". I didn't know they still existed...
The Fire Chief needs to attend some leadership training, get a radio (with training), and learn to trust his firefighter personnel. It’s obvious this department has a bunch of good and ambitious firefighters, so the best thing is provide them the direction they need and let them do what they’re apparently good at doing! What you see isn’t the firefighters/departments fault...it’s leadership (lack of) from the fire chief! Chief needs to trust and respect his firefighters!!!
Erty
@@aportman58 had this been my old rural dept the chief would have been outed at the monthly business meeting with a vote of no confidence then the assistant chief would take over and every year in january we elected the officers of the dept everyone down to LT was on the line. all officers were elected by the membership of the dept.
Not the most efficient use of manpower and equipment, but it looks like they eventually got the fire under control.
That eventually part doesn't work too well when it's Your life burning before your eyes.
Or........after a poorly co-ordinated attack it burnt itself out!
Yea after the fire destroyed the house that any other department could’ve saved.
Reminds me of the old saying, “No matter what, the fire will burn down to your level of experience… Eventually.” Which is on par with “All bleeding stops… Eventually.”
Absolutely insane video. Great work!
The fighting of the fire was very hard to watch at certain points. Thank you for recording and posting this. Hopefully departments will watch this and learn what to do and what not to do. Training is always needed, but I applaud firefighters and first responders for their compassion and dedication.
Still, so hard not to criticize evident lack.
I agree. And at 11:05 instead of yelling at people that butthole needs to get proper training.
So what did they do wrong?
Still waiting fo you to answer... 🍿
@@virgilhilts3924everything. Id be hard pressed to tell you what they did right.
Just started watching your videos. You do a great job. Thank you🤗
Without meaning to sound rude or be unkind, that was painful to watch. It looked like they had very little idea.
Totally agree, and the part where the firefighter on the roof kicked out the windows and appeared to make matters worse was really cringy and think that was a stupid idea. He could have been injured or killed, at the very least he should have had a hose with him.
Exactly! I just made the same comment. It doesn’t look like any of them have ever been trained.
Care to explain?
@@virgilhilts3924 If you can't work that out by watching then I would give up.
@@andyoxleyonhistravels
Ahh so you cannot support your own assertion
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Blimey that chief was a bit stressy telling his lads what to do . Super heroes 👏 all of them 👏
I’m no firefighter, but one observation I did make was that in the beginning, I’m almost positive there was more water pooling on the road than water being put on the fire.
Crystal clear footage. Excellent close ups
Simply amazing when you eventually put WATER on a fire it goes OUT
Great footage! Many people do tons of editing which makes it hard to follow the fire. This is a great example for others to follow!
You are still learning how to keep up. You are doing well. You will get better as you go. Thanks for the video. I was so pleased to see all the HARD work the F/F were doing to keep the other houses from going up as well. Keep up the good work!!
Keep to the basics. Rescue 1st, Exposures 2nd...everything else falls into place.
Steve, you afforded me a really good overview of the two structures fire, but take it from me (a retired Navy Hospital Corpsman with twenty years of fire fighting experience) if you get close to a working fire without the proper bunker gear and an air pack, you could end up with first, second or third degree burns and/or an inhalation injury. And empirically speaking, only one thing s**** worse then having to scrub a patient’s burned skin off their body, having your burnt tissue scrubbed off and debrided. Keep up the good work!
At least this fire the chief isn't going all Rambo on the fire like the other video.
Maybe he saw all the comments and how he acted watching that video. Hope he saw the light. They did a great job saving the exposures here.
He's going rambo it's just the camera has learned to stay off of him trying to steal the show. I could hear him screaming out threatening orders to pull hose lines into the strructure. I don't think he even carries or uses a radio for scene command and control?
Your Right on with the comment but the chef still has no idea how to command a fire scene. The ass chief looks lost. No sector set up which showed when the chief was doing more screaming at the crews. That line needed to be placed earlier in the fire. Very poor scene management.
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man i saw that other video but i cant remember the name anymore...is that the same fire chief?
Great video mate by the sounds of things they need a chief with a plan observed a lot dangerous moves here lucky no crew were hurt
At least he didn't burn his hand in this video.
One word describes what I saw: uncertainty. After a few minutes I tried to pick out just one FF who looked the part per se, aka cool, calm, collected, and confident. No luck. Flow the line, stop the flow, look around, flow for a second, then repeat. Then it all made perfect sense when the "chief" came into the picture, what a joke. Being a chief means so much, having the knowledge, experience, intellect, and leadership are just a few of the biggies. Guess in New Kensington none of that matters, what does is how loud you can bark and who's got the best mustache. I sure hope this agency has a "come to Jesus" moment really damn soon before 'ol mustache has a LODD on his hands.
johnnykATL As a retired firefighter (captain) I believe the disjointed, no order, and juxtaposed firefighter operation isn’t their fault, but boils down not being comfortable, certain, and confident in what leadership (Fire Chief) wants. Any time you have a Fire Chief like this Deparment has firefighters will look like they don’t have a clue because they are constantly worried regardless if what they do is right or wrong is this Chief going to go on a screaming shouting redirecting tirade. Fire chiefs, captains, etc. must respect and treat their firefighters with dignity and as intelligent human beings!
No clue uses fewer letters.
@@aportman58 Cap, did you see the look on the mutual aid chief's face. I think the MA departments are like, 'Oh god, not this guy again.' I looked into this dept. after watching another video of them a few months before. The chief was appointed to replace his father who had been chief for something like 40 years. He had been acting chief for 10 of those years after his father fell ill.
There is nothing wrong with a firefighter family. My department had a few of them but many of them were also state instructors and believed in training.
@@firebeecher ohhhh that explains it - the old family dynasty promotion….not appointed …explains a lot
Biggest problem here....first exactly what you mentioned...not sure of what to do because thinking nothing will be right in the chiefs eyes. Which all boils down to the whole incident command system. Instead of establishing a central command post this guy is running all over the place screaming because his guys aren't doing what they should be. Well if he kept his ass at the command post, he could disperse the other white hats as satellite command units and wouldn't have had to be everywhere at once. But nope. He'd rather display piss poor fire ground management and make his whole crew look bad. Not to mention that a lot of the decisions he was making were either wrong or too late.
These trucks with water cannon and ladders, is what really helps to be faster (nice)
What lovely houses. :( They are so close together too. I know in my city, it is the same. So when one goes up, usually the two next door on either side have damage too. :(
P.S. I think you had done a wonderful job of recording this! It is a hell of a lot easier to watch than some videos! Even though it goes sideways a bit at times, or shakes, it is still a very nice and smooth recording in general. Great job!
that's the norm these days
Old school REVAS and any ICS in mind, very hard to watch.
Exactly. Talk about a cluster...
Nothing against the firefighters but all about leadership...this department needs to elect a new fire chief! Probably a ton of good volunteers who want to be good firefighters, but if they don't have quality leadership and have good direction (i.e. training) they will continue over and over repeating the same mistakes.
Allen Portman well said.
I have been a member in other departments that did not follow ICS despite training so this department would not be unusual in that respect.
Steve good work with the video and photos. Unfortunately as long as this fire district has Chief Silba as their leader they are in risk of injury or death. A leader does exactly that he or she leads. All he does is yell, and his men have no clue what is actually needed. House was gone protect exposures. And in that situation why would you risk a firefighters life to vent two windows
@@garkar908 Paycheck? Since when do Volunteers get paid?
@@garkar908 No one else wants the job?
Venting those 2 windows accomplished only one thing feeding the fire with more oxygen and making it grow with out enough water to start knocking it down once it vented
Honestly it seems to be a few of the leaders have no clue what the hell they are doing, Why the shit was a white helmet venting the 2nd floor windows on a fully involved floor! Not to mention the lack of structural protection, and the inability by the pump operator to get water to the lines properly, or setup the deck gun. This department's leadership is a real shit show and it is going to get someone killed.
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Why the hell are there 6 Assistant Chiefs on scene, This department does not seem THAT big to need 6 Assistant Chiefs?
@@04u2cY it made a venturi, added oxygen, and not seconds after the firefighter got out of the window the gases ignited. Leaving the windows and waiting for them to fail would slow reaction just enough to establish a good water supply. Agreed.
The FF on the hose line that is supposed to be protecting exposure. How many times is he going to turn it on and off, reposition, get comfortable, shut it off, walk away, come back, etc... I was watching that and I heard the circus theme going. SMH
06:41 Deck gun open up at 10 psi! Nice Video!
It's easy to criticise, doing the job the right way is coming home and being as critical of ourselves, looking at what we did right and acknowledging where we need improvement.
I just love all this, "Learn from our mistakes bullshit." Firefighting is way to EASY to learn from your mistakes. Common sense, logic and a strong and responsible work ethic are all you need to PLAN AHEAD and get it right the first time.
@@JB91710 I'm glad you've never made a mistake. ..you'd be the first
@@JB91710 STFU
@@Blazefork JB has made plenty of mistakes, just none of them on the fireground. That’s only because he’s never been a fireman.
That fire seemed super angry...there must be special procedures for those types...thank you firefighters for what you do.
It almost seems that that Chief is putting on a show for the camera , knowing that he is being recorded. Every fire is "The Chief Silba show"
I try not to comment much but you are definitely right . This Chief has a SERIOUS EGO PROBLEM . I watched another video the other day and it was worse .
As exciting as these videos are, I always can't help but think that's someones entire life going up in smoke...
Same here, I also kept looking for the neighbors on either side, wondered if they evacuated too or stayed inside while keeping a close eye. Either way, it wouldn't be a pretty sight.
@@reminiscer15 with that particular fire department on scene the entire city needs to evacuate. 🤦♂️
Who noticed at 24:06 looks the the chief is either climbing over or going under live power lines on the ladder truck? He actually hit it, you can see it moving. Power can jump from the lines to the ladder. This whole thing was painful to watch.
Am I the only one concerned about the 2 exposure buildings before working on the ofb thats already a loss?
Nice job, and thanks for not giving the play-by-play. This fire is probably a good illustration of "no battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy."
Wow..... I'm lost for words
Great job on saving the the hole block
Good thing that deck gun kept the neighbors lawn nice and watered. 🤦🏻♂️
Damn people protect the the exposure holy crap what is the deal
Epic footage!Totally rad!
To many guys just standing around. Very very poor job.
Put some water on the house next to it for gods sake.
Become a firefighter then tell us how to do it for my sake!!
@@glennhuber4975 yeah sorry it doesn’t take training as a fire fighter to understand that putting water on the adjacent dwelling in order to prevent there from being 2 structure fires instead of one is a good thing to do and what should be done
@@glennhuber4975 you don’t have to be a firefighter to see tue obvious. The house next door is beginning to smolder. If you don’t keep it contained the whole neighborhood goes up. I can’t believe I’ve even got to state the obvious to you. Even other fire fighters here are saying the same thing.
@@glennhuber4975 you don’t have to be a firefighter to see tue obvious. The house next door is beginning to smolder. If you don’t keep it contained the whole neighborhood goes up. I can’t believe I’ve even got to state the obvious to you. Even other fire fighters here are saying the same thing.
At one point it looked like the fire was well contained and under control until the firefighter on the roof kicked out the two windows. Seemed like a really stupid idea since that could have injured or killed him and appeared to just make the fire way worse.
Here thought I was the only one that saw that stupid play!
@@jimwinsor8938 Yeah I thought I was the only one who noticed too and yeah that play was really stupid!
You can hear Chief McScreamy yell the order to a poor FF @2:10.
The idea here was to relieve some of the heat and pressure from theD side of the building and direct it out the front. Actually not a bad call.
What are Chief's doing stretching exterior handlines? A Chief's job is to supervise and control. The firefighter who vented the front windows from the porch only gave the fire a flow path. The porch window should have only been vented to allow a Large Caliber Stream or 2 1/2" handline to attack the fire. Exposure Protection of the #4 or D exposure should have been done with a large caliber stream or at least Two
2 1/2" Handlines. Once the units were backed out of the building Large Caliber Streams, preferably with a Tower Ladder operating into the windows would have been better. Don't mean to critique brother firefighters but we must learn from our mistakes.
Captain Robert Rainey 30 year Veteran FDNY
I was hoping a real firefighter would chime in on these comments. You guys are the best there is in the fire service.. Where's their command post? Why are three white hats having a picnic in the front yard?
now that is a hell of fire.
Not to sure where to start, the chief usually stands back so they can be objective in the orders they give, they calmly give there orders over the radio or speak to the junior officers, not shout or pick up hose to fight the fire themselves, if they want to wear a BA set and handle the hose then revert back to the rank of Ff. Because he was so tunnel vision on certain aspects of the fire he could not see the big picture therefore he did not use the crews and equipment to it's full effect.
If the OIC shouts at the crews and runs around like the fire ground as if the situation has got away he will convey that filling the crews, he is there to run the job and instill calmness at all times to the crews.
God bless firefighters 🇺🇲...keep up the good work🚒🚒👍
Great recording.
Your videos are great, keep up the good work.
My observation was poor water supply. Was it hydrants or tankers. I believe hydrants. If older watermains the firefighters are screwed from the start. Everyone complains about no water being put on fire. Well here is an explanation of potential issues. Old mains have reduced volume because of build up inside. 8 in can be reduced to almost 4 in because of build up. Also chunks break away and make obstructions. Do you think a new pipe and an older pipe have same flow rate? No the uneven build up causes disturbance reducing flow drastically.
I witnessed lines doing a dance. From a steady stream then others dropped. They couldn't get pressure to all the lines. Then a deck gun or ladder stream tekes all the presure. Remember taking a shower and someone used water your spray dropped and even got hot or cold water till the person shut off the faucet..
People don't realize how a bad watermain system screws the complete system. If str main connects to another bad man. Going far away to another hydrant you take water and reduce pressure down stream. A good main will allow water to be used in a hydrant and still have water and pressure in all directions.
Everything goes to slowy, it takes a lot of time to protect the house on the left.
I don’t know anything about firefighting but they do seem to have a lot of firefighters
I will get alot of hate for this comment but, itis also alot more complicated than it sounds. Here it is. Go from what you can save to what you can't. This was told to me by a long term veteran and it took me awhile for it to really sink in. Think about it for a bit before you react to the statement.
theres more water on the road than the fire, ive seen countless times the amount of time it takes to get water going, why ?
Poor training for pump operations. The engine has a tank, start flowing water asap then tap into a water supply, or if you have the manpower have someone establish a water supply as you start water to the lines.
This is a sorry situation in this town, hopefully change will come before someone looses their life.
Was anyone surprised the fire emerged from the “B side?” One of the chiefs finally said something around 13:00. I am NOT a firefighter - just another guy looking at the video.
Many thanks to the firefighters, EMTs, and the police who run toward fire on our behalf!🤟
Hey man you got a good video here thanks for sharing
That Fire was rolling now..
As I'm from the UK I'll never understand why a Ladder is needed to be used on a residential property. Industrial units, sure, risk of explosion, flashback, exc. But residential props. Just an observation not looking to incriminate or belittle.
Way to hustle getting water on the exposure ffs!
You know I respect firefighters totally but do you guys see how slow these guys move like their turtles guarantee they wouldn't be moving that slow if it was their houses like I'm thinking hurry up don't let this other house catch on fire
HOLY FUCK THE LADDER ON THE POWER LINES LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steven, thank you again for bringing us this footage. It's good work by any metric.
I must say that I feel for the FFs of NKFD; they work hard, but need better leadership.
OTOH, NKFD has a Safety officer (12:38)? Bless his heart.
What was that gut @ 5:50 doing!?!?! Dude one window is already half open, the room is seconds from flashing over and the whole third floor is just ripping. Glad you did not get roasted with your head in front of that second window.
02:16 Why was the deck gun throwing water nowhere when other pipes could have used the pressure? I was pleased to see it in use on the Delta exposure side when you arrived on the scene. I don't know if that was on purpose or not, but it would have been a good idea to leave it before fire spread to the eves of the exposure. This is not criticism, but a professional observation. How the fire started is one question, but how it was handled raises so many more. I would recommend submitting this to the department for training purposes if you have not already. Much more study and training is needed. Particularly regarding "fire push." Not a judgement. Just a recommendation for safety and efficiency. Great filming regardless sir! Much better coverage than you think you did. 👍
All the videos of this department shows they need better trading.
watering the neighbors garden
11:05 instead of yelling at people that butthole needs to get proper training.
"Professional"...? 😂🤣😅
You've never even set foot inside a firehouse... let alone worked a fire
@@virgilhilts3924 Do I know you?
Thats not a fire chief, its a fire mischief...
Took them long enough to make any attempt to keep the fire from the house next door. It was smoking and yet they ignored it!. where did they get this lot?
Back to fire school for some of these guys. Way too much yelling and chaos. There's a leadership problem in this department.
Listen these people are trained perfesonal s not some kid in training
@@k1ll3rdracco50 there’s nothing professional about this department
The lack of firefighting tactics here could have easily cost someone their life and could have cost the bravo and delta exposures to catch fire as well. This is a training video in how NOT to run a fire scene and fight a house fire.
Fire Chief doesn't even use a radio to manage and incident. I guess that's what you call door control....assistant chief goes and propts open front glass storm door?
If you watch closely when AC decides to prop open front porch storm door, immediately 2 side lights up with fire. There probably was a line on the 3 side it was knocked down pretty quick. If I’d been operating interiorly I probably would have come out and been in the AC face for opening and propping open door creating a flow path accelerating fire. Probably would have also been my last day on the fire service.
@@aportman58 at that point in the job though there's no need to even be working inside anymore. But, and not a jab at you, if there was a proper command set up in place, you could have been told to come out and begin an exterior attack.
Great yard work...
Didn't have enough fire showing up front so send a guy up to bust out the 2 bedroom windows and damn near get himself torched before he waddled back to the ladder. 🤦♂️
The firefighters looked like they were shell shocked unable to think on their own waiting around to get yelled at paralyzed. These poor guys. Well they extinguished the fire however this is not a good leadership style
Yeah, breaking windows and squirting water on burning stuff can really test a person.
Absolutely... 100% piss poor fire ground management and command.
Exactly!💯💯
@@fdMT_EnGy yep. And piss poor is actually a compliment for this crew. This was beyond painful to watch. Just one horrible mistake after the next. Dangerous liability of a department.
My big things were how slow they were to protect the D Side Exposure, the house is pretty much gone, so they eventually got the hint but not until the side of the D side exposure house already caught, notice once they deployed the 2.5" that knockdown was pretty swift at that point
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION.....
If the engine had been positioned properly, they could of had their deck gun in the attic, hand lines for exposures, 2 1/2 hitting the d side of the main structure.
Awesome catch. Very nice video resolution. Clear and crisp.
It looks like it’s bring your daughter to work week!
I had a feeling the highly animated spastic fire chief would eventually show up!
@@fredj6278 The guy with the big belly and droopy mustache making a mountain out of a molehill porch fire?
That 2.5 didn’t do much at first. The guy on the pipe should have been all over the radio for more pressure.
It goes back to more training. It's apparent that whoever is the engineer doesn't know how to pump the engine. This was one of the problems this department had with the first fire that was posted here on the tube.
@@johntmcguirejr8526 my thoughts exactly. The other video showed that the operator was lost and it appears to be the same case here.