STRUCTURE FIRE WITH ENTRAPMENT - PLUM
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2021
- 14:12, January 07, 2021
Stations 235 (Logan's Ferry Heights), 216 (Oakmont), 234 (Renton), 233 (Unity), 194 (Monroeville 4), 223 (Penn Hills), 54 (Lower Burrell), 115 (Upper Burrell), 56-2 (New Kensington)
211 Frontenac Road, Plum
Residential structure fire with entrapment, one occupant rescued by PD as first-due arrived.
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4:09 " what do you want us to do "
"put the fire out " did I hear that correctly ?
Yeah that was a very intelligent question! Great timing to! 👍
Seemed like there was a bit of confusion on initial entry into the rear. It looked like they were already inside and then pulled back out. And then came the question.
@@SocialistDistancing Yeah, I think they were starting to question interior conditions. It was starting to push some rather heavy black smoke. Depending on the heat they must have been feeling, they may have wanted a second to think. It was probably about a minute and a half or so before it was gonna flash. So it was a good thing they went ahead and threw some water at it before going in too far.
if you back up to around 3:50 you can see that fire is getting behind them and he was saying to knockdown what ever was burning to the right of the door. You can hear him say "get all this fire knocked down" After that they went right back in. At first glance i thought he was panic ordering.
That was my favorite part.
"What do you want us to do?" Put the fire out!!!
That's a great idea!!
Don't you know that before you even apply to be a fire fighter?
Exactly,duh . I would have said what do you think we are here for ? A weenie roast
There’s a bit more to it than just going in there guns blazing to put the fire out
Huh?
It's always heart breaking to see someone's house, their home, their sanctuary from the outside world going up in flames. Also extremely sad if they have any pets inside who died as a result of a house fire.
Definitely. I left one smoke filled home and watched it burn with my cats inside and years later came home to my home getting boarded up after a fire and my cat missing. She survived. The cats didn’t make it with the previous fire. Roofers started the first and the second was arson while I wasn’t there
You know you're in trouble when the photographer is the one calling for water....
He wasnt "calling for water" he was calling for more pressure
For the Leo's who rescued the trapped person , 👍 Fantastic Job, Your Hero's
🖤💙🖤. The FD were Excellent & really husseled and got this fire under control fast
🖤❤🖤👏
I hope everyone made a full recovery! I found this part a bit odd…. 4:10, Fireman 1, “what do you want us to do? Fireman 2, “put the fire out”
This is what happens when you have some one yelling at your as your doing your job, causing you to get confused as to what you are doing. (Its most likely a senior firefighter telling the hose-man where he should be hitting the flames. But doing it in an ineffective manor.)
😂😅
I think the firefighter was asking enter or no enter to fight it. He knows to put the fire out, but they may have had concerns about collapse.
"Residential structure fire with entrapment, one occupant rescued by PD as first-due arrived"
Those damn cops!
Why ‘damn’ cops?! That’s hardly respectful, is it?
Great video. Some learning points for all of us.
0:40 “your destination is on the left” 🤣🤣🤣 thanks! I see it!
4:11 “What do you want us to do?”
“Put the fire out!”
Stange question from a nozzleman
Lost a few years of firefighting experience watching this video.
I know right it was ass backwards and lack of training across the board.
Nether one of you idiots could tell us one thing they did wrong.
@@JB91710 let me rewatch the video I and I will give you some . Just to let you know I do have over 40 years fighting fires . 2 paid departments and one volunteer department. and both departments average runs a year with the paid and volunteer combined was around 9000 calls a year, so is the word idiot wisely.
@@donaldholman786 Numbers don't matter. Only results matter.
@@JB91710 it’s call experience and actually do the job is what matters.
Lots of learning points in this one.
Discuss
Yes, like how to do there job
Yeah, like STOP GETTING IN THE FUCKING WAY! With telephoto lenses there is NO WAY you need to get so close. You put yourself and the firefighters at risk.
Live in California in the Bay area out in contra Costa county and we live in the most expensive area and have no money to keep our fire houses open, takes them 20 minutes to get there and by then they have nothing left to do but put out whats left of your home! You are lucky to have all this help! Be thankful
You have zero control over where you're born but all control over where you live. There is ZERO reasons you don't have adequate fire protection except that your municipality wastes it's taxpayer dollars.
@@UprisingPropaganda Or the people complain about their high taxes, and so the police, fire, and schools all get stiffed.
People want First-World infrastructure and services but don't want to pay for it.
Steve as always, Johnny on the spot.....GJ
The front door entry scene was hilarious...
I hope the person rescued makes a full recovery
Such a Beautiful home.
Holy. Epic catch
Great footage.. 👍
Thanks 👍
Nice job guys! And thanks for all you do.
Great job, I loved your video. Sorry to learn that the occupant was injured as a result of this fire, I hope she makes a full recovery.
Helmet straps. What are they for?
Maybe for rank inside the Company. In Germany there are different meanings . Here in Lower Saxony is: one red Sripe squad leaders, Two Stripes Group Leader, Red Ring on the Helmet municipality Chief, Two Red Rings District Chief. The Deputys of the Chiefs have one Ring and one short Stripe.
To pick up the helmet when the damn thing falls off your stupid head! Didn't you see him?
Lol yeah the instructors at the academy would hand you your ass if your helmet fell off BECAUSE you didn't use the strap. Always strap up.
What a painful and slow fire attack to watch
"What do you want us to do??"
"Put the fire out!"
....
Jesus
That was a cluster fuck
Ya i thought that was pretty funny. I would say this is a volunteer department.
@@davemarshall706 well, for starters, you don’t always know what to do. You were not there, you don’t know the firefighters or the officers. Shut up
Just curious, everybody throwing shade... where's your videos?
Thanks! I'm actually using a DSLR camera in one hand taking photos, and another camera filming video with the other hand. Really tough to keep the footage still, it's not like I just stand in one place.
@@StevenMatto Well I appreciate you posting the video. It is an excellent training source.
Giving you some ideas for some handheld camera work, Chief? You know we want it....🤞😜
Oh man I love this that the famous fire cheif of CZcams comments on here. Lots of people throwing this guy smoke. All I got to say is thank you for the videos and your service. Chief it's been a while since I seen a video from you I hope that's a good thing.
@@mrbubba-qv3rb Everything is good. I'm a blessed man. I'll be posting another video soon. We just had a fire my last shift.
Is it weird that I love watching fires and firefighters doing they job
Don't watch this and think that this is how it's supposed to look. This is a train wreck.
I am the same
@@desertbum8 ummm, not it’s not. You were not there, you don’t know the department, you don’t know alot. Shut up.
@@ffandrewd2986 lol. From watching the video. It's pretty blatantly obvious. If you're saying you disagree with myself and about 90% of the actual firefighters that watch these videos... then seems like you're the one that "don't know a lot."
@@desertbum8 your a troll. Look, I can admit I’m not a firefighter. But I’m not a smart ass. I wasn’t there, I don’t know the situation. Neither do you.
Glad to know that not all companies in that area are as bad as new Kensington. Although officers had to damn near baby sit and hold the roof crews hand through doing roof work it was still a pretty good knock and they did good saving the structure for restoration work to be done in the future and not having to demo the entire thing. They stretched a line and went interior immediately, made the push and laddered the SHIT out of the dwelling. Good on them it’s a shame that new Kensington companies don’t take notes from their mutual aid departments when on one of their jobs to see what an interior attack looks like. My only BIG bitch is the fact that there’s so many people hovering over the charlie side door on the deck doing nothing but waiting.
That’s exactly what’s supposed to happen . When you grab a line it’s go time . No messing around . Hit the door aggressively or let someone else do it .
@@chosenone1004 Yes but no. You do Not "Hit the door aggressively!" You do exactly what they did. You go look for what's burning from the exterior and extinguish it from the exterior. Then, when you are fully dressed and have assembled an entry team, you go inside to mop up and search for victims in a much safer environment.
@@JB91710 No. This is absolutely incorrect. This is the mentality of exterior only volunteers. If the line is charged at the door you go in. Coordinate with the truck ro vent as you extinguish the seat of the fire. Attacking from the outside and the. "mopping up" the inside is the most passive attitude to have about this job.
@@desertbum8 It's also the way you protect the victims and entering firefighters by eliminating the threat quickly and safely. Walking blindly into a unfamiliar structure to look for the fire you could find faster from the exterior, makes no sense at all. Again, go tell these people they are wrong. czcams.com/play/PLkp0E1ao1XEzg384QZ4ovMA_6P7gCY3nJ.html
@@JB91710 OK they're wrong. Your logic works on very small structures where you can easily see into every room. That's not realistic. I get you haven't been to a lot of fires, but just because one study says that's the best way doesn't mean it's true. Want to know what else is better for victims and entering firefighters? Not disrupting the thermal layer and putting the fire out with a coordinated vertical ventilation.
Love the voice amplifier on the SCBA. So much easier to understand.
Hey Steven, great footage. What is the blue helmet? PIO? Training? Safety?
flic.kr/p/2iP8D5m
Great video for training. Did command clear non use of SCBA on the roof or close to the home?
What was the purpose of venting the roof, fire has already vented through all the windows and was under control? Pull the ceiling and overhaul. Why would yo ever move a ladder that firefighters used to access the roof? Opposing lines, really?
Painful to watch.
What the hell, it's a total loss at this point so let's get some ventilation training in while we're here!
@@markwillcox720 except it's not a total loss...
With the volume of fire they had; they most surely wanted to check for exposure to the attic. And it's hard to pull ceilings down with very hot smoke and steam at neck level. But what's really a pain is taking up and going back to the station only to get called back out for the attic re-ignition. A lot of people are going to be mad, and if it wasn't a total loss; it would be then. So there are several purposes. Those are just a few of the obvious ones. As long as those FFs know that the ladder is in a different place, sure. And yes you can do opposing lines if you coordinate well. Particularly if you have the bulk of the fire knocked down and you can see the crew on the other side. The porch in the back would be too small to run your backup line in there. In the case of an emergency evac, there would have been a deadly bottleneck at the door and on deck. Conditions were pretty ripe, so I would not have wanted two hoses going in the same door either.
@@charmcitytoe Check the attic from the inside. That is why you have a attic ladder. Hint, put the ppv fan at the front door. No need cut a hole in roof. Yes every dept has different sop's but, come on
That Fire is really rolling.
Why not go through the front door on initial fire attack? And is that opposing lines? I'm a little confused by the tactical decisions. I reserve judgment not having all the information
Easy answer: to get to the trapped victim inside faster , when someone is trapped inside a burning building their location is given to the firefighters and the rescue crew goes in through the closest place to get to the victim so there is a big chance for survival.
You already judged them.
You want to push the fire back on to it's self. By coming in on the non-burned side you keep the fire and damage to a minimum
@@odoc696969 the fire was blowing out the front and back so what you are saying doesn’t apply here
Need some forceable entry training at the front door.
KISS.... Bust the window then unlock from inside. Trust me Ive done it numerous times.
@@danielgadd9290 thank you for your service!
They need a lot more than that. That red hat needs some training and a diet
@@ljjames7604 Na not gonna bash them that way .
@@ljjames7604 haven’t seen too many fat guys get skinny but I’ve watched many a skinny guy get fat. It’s not the army it’s the volunteer fire dept. Guy probably gets up every time that bell rings.
Awesome video did the neighbors get out ok and the homeowners
Fire venting heavy to the front on a split foyer, entry on the rear was the best call, larger door should have made easier access, flow water, step in and make push. @ 2.00 you can see conditions changing for better, just needed to push farther in.
0:50 The main body of fire is from the rear with extension moving toward the front. The gasses coming out the front haven't ignited yet so the stop should be from the rear because the flames in back will eventually ignite them. Shutting off the heat source is always a good thing.
Transitional attack right away through the front window? Putting water on the fire sooner may not make your problems go away, but it stops them from getting worse.
@@firedude5135 If you wet down the front room and ignore the main fire source, the fire will grow in every other direction until the only thing left is room you wet down. They did this correctly.
Front door below the body of the fire you can hit most of that house from the top of the stairs with only being 6’ from the front door and a couple steps from safety. Also you are putting the line between the unburnt side of the structure and the fire. I would definitely not stretch to the back of the house it’s a waste of time.
another great vid. Having the radio comms in the background toped it off. Looks like this will be the year of the worker, it's starting off like that down here to. Be safe my brothers & sisters. God Bless...
Appreciate you keeping it positive, tired of hearing how everyone can do it better.
@@Blazefork Amen to that.
what do the differant colored helmets mean for this station, cause red is usually LTs but theres a whole lotta red.
Good video Steve!! You should add interior video after the fire showing the damage.
What’s up with the guy sucking down air before he’s got his helmet on? Or better yet even made it to the door? #yardbreathers
There should be water ready before you pull any supply lines ! How do you do rescue with out water ready to protect your men inside if needed ?? Or do you guys carry body bags for them ?? 35 yrs veteran for officer ? Good video!
What’s a for officer?
That must of been spell check it should have been ff
Great video. Thank you for sharing!
How did this fire start? Was the lady rescued ok?
Likely electrical problems.
Great video, with great radio transmission coverage. I agree with j. s., "what do you want us to do?". Also, the vent hole should be OVER the fire not in the middle of the roof. If there was still live fire in the attic, you would be drawing the fire to the hole.
The fire looks like it may have started in the kitchen (side C) and was already busted through the living room windows (side A) upon arrival. The fire had already breached the kitchen ceiling and had a good foothold in the joists above the ceiling in the area that transitioned from the C side to the A side. The hole was exactly where it needed to be.
@@kbacco The call came in with heavy C-side fire showing, which is where the woman was rescued (Trapped in the bedroom). I was getting ready to go around back when I saw the front window, and I knew it was going to blow out, so I stayed where I was,
You can tell from the smoke pushing through the eves that the fire was burning throughout the attic space.
@@kbacco An attic fire needs fresh air to burn well. When you open the roof, you provide a flow path for the hot gasses so they can mix with fresh air from that hole and any others like soffit or gable end vents. That's why you should NEVER climb on the roof of a burning building and vent the crap out of it. Let the attic suffocate, cut a small hole in the ceiling from inside and fog the attic. This isn't brain surgery, you just have to Think beyond, "Heat rises."
@@Andy-je3el It was smoldering and suffocating throughout the attic space. That's why you don't give it any fresh air. Just water through a ceiling hole.
Hey Steve, I am enjoying watching your videos. I have a question: Is there a better link to your facebook page? I clicked on the link and i got an error message.
talk to a firefighter before making stupid comments
You think They have the answers? You are dreaming.
Volunteer..... shows. Cut the roof amd get a duece and a half in the door
A professional fd would have had 30+ members and a knock down in less then 10 mins on scene
How are you doing JB? X
@@peleirur lmao ive seen bad paid departments as well
Jesus, if this were my department I’d be embarrassed
I saw Plum and said to myself "yup, that's Pittsburgh"
As if there aren't any other Plums in the country 🤦🏾♀️😅
I only have two questions, why did they attack from the rear instead of the front? I’m assuming they had a reason. Second question, why did that roof need to be cut? Nice camera work on your part though.
To let smoke out
Good and valid questions. From what I could see, the rear was the main fire location when "They" arrived. We, got there late. You always hit the fire room from the outside before going inside. The roof never needs to be cut at any fire. Horizontal venting will do the same thing faster and safer and give you access to the burning material through those windows for fast and safe extinguishment to protect the victims and entering firefighters.
@@friendlyneighborhoodcow8776 For what it’s worth I’m a career fire Lt, been on the job almost 23 years. Just saying my background not showing you my gonads LOL.All that aside, generally you open roofs on fires that can’t be well vented through windows. That place was chugging smoke on arrival, but once they knocked it down and gave it a couple minutes it was venting itself nicely through the eaves and gable ends. Years ago that was the bread and butter to get up there and cut it open but there really needs to be a need. For example high heat inside when people are working or being kept from advancing. If you can see daylight straight through the house as in our case here windows are good. Knock it, back off and watch that things get smaller,grayer and less pressurized as a couple minutes pass. Maybe send somebody up to look around too. Even if it got into the attic you can you pop a couple holes and open a fog nozzle up there and that would take care of that. Not knocking you just giving some context.
I assume maybe they brought the victim out the back or something like that so maybe that’s where they entered.The front would’ve just done pretty much the same thing. Transitional attack go to door move in protect the egress search and finish putting it out. It was a good video to look and think about the things I might have to do any given day. Looks like my district. Good video
@@JB91710 k Chief... thanks for the lesson. Sounds like your typical millennial facebook fireman. There's a time and place for ALL ventilation, including a vertical vent.
Question from Australia I see that nearly every different company has different scba brands like Scott Msa and more how dose that work with refilling on location and fit packs
They all have the same fittings per nfpa. Some have quick connect and some thread on but those are the only 2 to my knowledge. The quick connect adapter will thread off if if you need to refill and don't have quick connect on the filling station
Jason Williams thank you for the response
Scott and MSA both have universal threads . On every brand of Air pack theres a UAC ( universal air connection) that can be utilized no matter what brand you have in RIT scenarios. As far as filling bottles they both have the same threads on them so you can fill them up no matter what. Even quick connect bottles have side threads.
4:07 "What do you want us to do? " 🤣🤣🤣🙄🤦♂️
That appears to be a kitchen of the deck, and it's the most heavily involved. So I'm going to assume this started as a kitchen fire. Is there a definitive cause for this one?
2:59 if only helmet manf were able to come up with some sort of device to retain a helmet on a fireman's head... hopefully someday we get that technology.
Large Sarge doesn't wanna look less than buff... Silly people and their chin straps!
He’s just spectating anyway
He does have what looks like a helmet cam.thats more important than the chin strap.
If you have seen other videos you would see that some cities have Helmet cams are being used
@@johngarrettlegofireguy6885 yeah, because that's ultra-important for all that standing around.
I don't know where to start
No water supply
Initial attack line should have went through the front door
No ladders thrown
Lots of people doing nothing.
There’s a lot you can’t see too. Maybe shut your mouth because you were not there.
@@ffandrewd2986 I laugh at you!
@@hughhill29 ok. Your just immature.
To the untrained ear it is hard to understand what was said under the fire helmet, Is it like that also for the firemen or is there a special hearing device mounted on the inside of the helmet??
GREAT VIDEO ! FEEL SORRY FOR THEM MEMBERS OF THAT DEPARTMENT ! NEED BETTER LEADERSHIP !😎
I love all the keyboard warriors here. Fire went out, no firefighters were hurt. Lighten up
That's right.
My only remark would be is the Chief should have known how to breech the front door. Also save your energy and stop trying to kick in a door that is more than likely double locked with one being a dead bolt. Other than that solid work and train to correct the mistakes at trainings. If we don't make mistakes than we are doing it wrong. If that makes sense.
Exactly. All you who criticized, let’s take some video of you at a fire scene and see how it looks.
Wow! That's all the taxpayers deserve? BTW: What is the tactical advantage of ventilating the roof?
Exactly lol
That was a strong front door installation. Course the glass window made it a moot point....
Just curious why they had opposing attack lines? One from the front door and one from the rear. Usually that is a big no for most fire attacks I've studied
Because a woman being trapped inside , they had to quickly get to her before she died the home.
@@josephbennett3482 gotcha I was not aware of a the possible trapped victim until I read up on it in the description. Thanks for the answer! I'm in fire school so I'm studying all different kinds of tactics and methods
Where is Plum? I've been trying to figure out what state this is in.
It would be nice if the state was listed in the title on these videos.
Borough of Plum, Pennsylvania. East Northeast of the City of Pittsburgh, South of the Allegheny River.
how did it start
We just got 2 new rookies to our shift. This will make a great dinner viewing so they can see what not to do
Does anybody know how to ventilate?
Are you a firefighter or do you work for a fire dept to film these
I belong to a few departments as their photographer. As time went on, other departments gave me permission to be active on their scenes to shoot pictures and video.
@@StevenMatto Thanks for what you do. This is an awesome training tool. And I am speaking from experience when I say it ain't easy being on CZcams. It brings out the worst in people. Especially our own brother firefighters.
@@commandvisionfire Thanks, much appreciated!!
I was working around there, hope nobody got hurt
this is why you check your truck every day because of how long it took them to start that chainsaw is unacceptable
I don't know. I have a Stihl and mine is temperamental from time to time. I will use it for 20 minutes and then shut it down to move some logs and the when I go to start it up again...nothing! I've had some choice words for it over the years. :D
So what's the story with the entrapment? Should put more info in your description
The occupant was trapped in a C-side bedroom, with heavy fire. The PD rescued the occupant as I was getting out of my vehicle, which is also when the first due arrived. I pass the occupant on a gurney when I first go between the houses, but didn't/wouldn't film them.
@@StevenMatto yeah, I’m as curious as the next guy but a casual shot from a distance, first responders blocking most of the view or a blur is for the best, to me. You get the idea of whats going on without some poor teenager getting on here and seeing his beloved Aunt Maggie take her last breath with peeled skin and nothing but her underwear on
@@banjopickerinadoublewide7613 Sometimes I do take the blocked gurney shot, but it caught me off-guard, and I was just getting to the back of the house, which is where the fire was supposed to be heaviest. A lot was unfolding at that time, including them asking me to yell to the pump operator.
Sorry Steven; I had to laugh when you got down range of the hydraulic venting at 7:45
Good work on your videography efforts. If I may suggest; while these guys know you, and you know to stay clear; broader steadier shots can provide more story than awkward up close ones. It'll have the additional advantage of you not having to move as much.
That said: Better use of SCBA, not textbook but better. Still a strong argument for drills; and looks like some MSC&C exercises. Pleased to see command using the radio.
Stay safe guys.
Thanks for the reply. I'm really a photographer that decided to start doing video, too. I pretty much just try to hold the camera steady while I'm taking pictures, but I do have to move that hand to zoom, change settings, etc.., so the 'video hand' is all over the place. I recently picked up a GoPro 9 with horizon leveling and stabilization which keeps everything smooth, but I don't always have it with me. This call came in on my way home from work...luckily I had a couple cameras in the car.
I like overall videos also but with everything going on in the back and front at the same time I'm sure that it made it hard to figure out where to be. Too bad you didn't some help. Nice job.
I heard dispatch say 54 broken down?
Thinking that saw needs to be started more than once a year.
With the shit gas we use today fire departments should only be using ethanol-free gasoline in all saws and even generators and gas fans as the ethanol in the fuel degrades all components of the fuel system in these small engines.
@@toddament8035 No doubt. But even starting and running them regularly will keep the fuel fresh and flowing. If not used, our saws, extrication power units, & fans were run every week. We found that was good for our gas powered tools. Start on the 1st or 2nd pull.
I think these guys need some better training. This is a disgrace to watch
Did I hear the nozzleman ask what to do? And is the heavy set FF with 21 on left coat sleeve walking around outside while using up air from the bottle? Wtf? And I think that was a "officer". Not a very good 1. Smh
Yard gnome lol
He asked what to do because he was busy putting the fire out and got told to do what he was already doing. Especially if the “order” was coming from a yard breathing officer who can’t keep his helmet on and doesn’t cross the threshold.
Getting directions to a fire is funny in a dark way :/
Was there someone trapped and if so did they get out o jl
"Residential structure fire with entrapment, one occupant rescued by PD as first-due arrived." from the description under the video
@@tomtruesdale6901 thank you I'm a firefighter/emt
This was painful to watch. Is this a volunteer dept?
It would be helpful if videographers would give the locations of these scenes. What state? What county? Not every viewer is familiar with the town/village/borough names. Thanks.
Bruh check the description
google maps goes right to the proper listed 211 Frontenac Road, Plum
Good video. Thanks. Looks like they got a quick knock-down and took care of the victim quickly.
Also a fan cheif
Oy! That was tough to watch.
Is this in Pennsylvania?
Yes, Pittsburgh suburb
Just saw this video but it appears its been up for a year. I am not sure where this is but what I see is a lot of mutual/automatic aid companies working together to get the job done.
What was the cause?
I honestly don't know. It was being investigated, but I never heard the result.
I’d give it solid 5/10 saw great things but saw some things where they made themselves work harder than they had to but again policies and departmental trainings are different everywhere you go other than that keep it up and stay safe out there brother’s
Not to belabor the point .... but .... you made your access on an elevated wood framed deck. What was your escape plan? Front door access would have been a smarter choice. Remember, constructive criticism, while hurtful to your pride, improves performance and saves lives (including yours).
Good knock down , I would definitely have some of those younger guys , if not everyone train in ladder and roof ops . You could see the inexperience . And I’ll be honest , they both appeared really nervous getting on that roof . If they were uncomfortable they should have let the IC know and he could have had a couple other guys cut that hole . There’s no shame in feeling uncomfortable. I’d rather have my guys come up to me and tell me they don’t feel comfortable doing something then to have them doubting something that could hurt them or guys around them . There’s plenty of other things they could have done instead . But I know pride kinda gets in the way sometimes and the fear of others looking at you like a coward . But safety comes before anything. And honestly, you could have probably gotten away with not cutting that hole . Early on yes , but at that point in the fire it was basically knocked and vented pretty good . Stay safe gentlemen
Finally! An intelligent person leaves a comment on a fire video. I will interject a few things to consider.
1. There isn't enough information to determine if this was a good or bad knock down although they did look aggressive and did bring a charged line into the rear slider.
2. It looked like that front room could have used some water from a second line instead of extinguishing it through the rear door. Seconds count!
3. Roof opps are generally useless and expose the firefighters to unnecessary risk. The front window and back sliding door were venting along with the soffit vents. Opening a hole early on would have turned this into a structure fire when the flames entered the hole in the ceiling and ignited the smoldering attic gasses. The only thing that would have changed inside with VVing is the fire would have gotten worse if water wasn't immediately applied.
4. The way you put safety before anything including Search and Rescue is to eliminate the threats before going inside. You can vent fire room windows and get tank water on Visible Burning Material faster than you can get fully dressed, assemble and entry team and get the door open. They led the interior assault with a charged line which showed that intent.
Vertical Venting is an unnecessary danger to firefighters. Watch these videos and ask yourself, "What are they REALLY accomplishing up there?"
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very poor trainning,Im not saying it doesn,t happeni froze 1 time but it was in trainning but im from the 1970s 80s
@@JB91710 Horizontal venting is not as effective as vertical venting. You're essentially giving the smoke a path to go so that visibility on the interior improves, as well as reducing the risk of backdraft. Because of how the smoke and fire works, horizontal venting only really helps with backdrafts as visibility is still going to be awful.
You don't vent to make the fire any better. It does the opposite. It's why you don't vent every fire, or at least do it at a different time when certain areas are under control already.
@@reonthornton685 There is definitely a place for vertical ventilation. But by the time they finally got to the roof the fire was essentially done and over with and was useless. Getting the roof open very early in the fire is what we strive for. These guys just used it as a training opportunity.
@@hihfty Then they likely could not have got it done early as they'd be too slow. It still reduces the risk of reignition though by allowing for faster cooling so it's not useless. This obviously doesn't include any rooms with backdrafts forming though since they are already too hot. This isn't the primary function though by any means.
Hope everyone was okay
For God's sake, someone show that poor guy how to work a helmet strap.
I feel sorry for this family
Thank God guys were all masked up standing in the back yard
this video should be a great training tool of not what do...bravo
These guys did fine for the limited training and resources. I assume they are volunteers. Far from perfect but at least they pulled a line and went inside.
Firefighters on here commenting on other firefighters fires. Probably someone who just got out of the academy with the negative comments.
@@rfdfire911 I'm all for harsh criticism when it is warranted, there are plenty of terrible fires on CZcams! But you are right, the guys on here are probably kids who just finished their FF1 trying to get on the job.
Seeing a firefighter use a dangerous aluminum ladder is weird because they conduct electricity......you'd think fiberglass would be all they would use
Good job with the knockdown. Nice when things go your way. Hope all are safe including occupants.
Things went their way because they made them go their way.
@ 3:00 we wear chin straps for a reason 🙄. Also is that skin I can see on the side of your face mask wear your nomex should be?
Is the videographer looking through the lens? Wipe off the water? Why is it so bouncy?
Too close...don't need close-ups and you are almost in the way. Better view from further back and stable so view is of larger area.
Why are they cutting a hole in the roof when the fire is out
If there was still entrapment, there was definitely survivable space to VES.
Third class photographer
Common Ryan split entry home, all lumber construction. We built ours in 1987.
Hey Steve not to be rude or anything u have to stay out of there way let them do there job sir 6 feet away from them
This was a good video, but it could have been a great video if you cut down on the moving around.
So, where's the trapped person?
Was this fire started by an arsonist?
Yo did anyone else catch the fact that ladder is not set properly👀👀 yo what happened to 2-3 rungs past the ledge
Did they call in a medevac helicopter? I hear a helicopter in the background
There were 3 news helicopters circling. I got a real cool picture of the guys on the roof with a helicopter behind them.
@@StevenMatto news helicopters are like vultures. As soon as something happens they are right there. A good friend of mine died in an Airshow crash and before the fire department showed up they had 4 news helicopters circling.
@@topgunmaverick379 I believe it, I see it all the time. Condolences for your friend :(
Three guys come around the back with a ladder go to open the roof and none of them think of bringing a saw
What will that do at this point? Fire is out! Second ladder in the middle of a window, wtf.