TOP 5 PRO TIPS FOR USING YOUR RV WASTE TOTE TANK | RV LIVING
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✔️About this Episode:
You’ve purchased your very own portable RV Waste Tote Tank so now what? Well, using a tote tank may seem pretty cut and dry but there are a couple of tips and tricks you need to be aware of to avoid having a very messy day. In this episode we’ll go through our top 5 pro tips for successfully using your RV Waste Tote Tank.
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@@brucewayne857 Hi Bruce. Which product link are you having issues with? I'd be happy to get you an updated link. Thanks and Safe Travels
We’ll I guess it’s only a link to your Amazon site, not the actual product like I thought.
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Camco RV Waste Tote Tank: amzn.to/2GPsHeG
Valterra valve I added to the end of my RV sewer connection for added insurance against spills: amzn.to/2IOIRrU
We use the Lippert 359724 Waste Master 20’ Extended RV Sewer Hose Management System and its truly the best sewer hose we’ve ever owned.
Get yours here: amzn.to/2GMJajo
Pro-tip number 6: get a portable flojet RV wastewater pump and put the Tote in the back of your truck and pump your black tank directly into the tote without having to drag the tote anywhere. And you can drive as fast as you like
Great idea. Thanks for watching. Safe Travels
That’s my plan now
How does that work with the black tank, solids?
@@johnsmith-qm1mr works great. That's what the flojet is designed for.
Awesome! I’ve been wondering how I would lift if into my Jeep when boondocking. I came here to ask for tips for lifting it once filled.
Very good points. Thanks 😀
Hi Louis, Thanks for checking out the video and for following along. Glad to hear you found the video helpful. Safe Travels
Its worth every penny!!!! I use it alot!! But i put a proper pump on it and hose and the tank in the back of the truck when im boondocking in AZ all winter. Its now FUN to dump 💩😆
Nice tips...just received my turd hearse lol.
HAHAHAHAHA I read your comment to Tina and she cracked up. "Turd Hearse", that's the best one we've heard yet LOL Thanks so much for checking out the video and following along. Glad to hear you enjoyed it. :) Safe Travels
Turd hearse,... fantastic!
Excellent tips. Using mine tomorrow.😊
I really enjoyed your informative video. Not only was it worth watching, but your calm voice and steady camera work was exceptional to the experience. Way to go!!
Thank you so much Gerry. So glad you found it informative and easy to watch :) We appreciate you following along. Safe Travels
Thank you Sir, very good advise and well done explaining.
Thank you for checking out the video. Safety Travels
Thanks for being the only YTer to actually show the thing being hauled! You cemented my purchase of one of these things for my new spot!
Glad I could help! Thanks for checking out the video. Safre Travels!
Glad Watch this before my first time using a tote tank. Thanks for the great tips
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching the video I appreciate it.
Excellent video. Thank you!
Fantastic video, thank you!
You are very welcome. Safe Travels
Great video! Exactly the information I was looking for before I make a purchase. Keep it up!
Excellent. Glad it was helpful. Appreciate you watching. Safe Travels.
Another tip, I built a small flipped axle drop spindle trailer with pneumatic tires that allows me to attach it to a four wheeler/rzr and go about 15-25 mph. I’m about 1.5 miles from a dump station at my property.
Hi Tyler, that is an excellent idea. Thanks for sahring it.:) Safe Travels
Thank you so much for this video, we bought one of these tanks , your video made this experience very easy 😊
Excellent video, great quality, thanks!
Thank you! We appreciate you checking out our video. Safe Travels.
Really appreciate this video. We're thinking about getting this tote. You really covered all the bases.👍👍👍
Thank you so much for checking out the video and following along. Great to hear that the video was helpful :) We are still using ours and it works great. Safe Travels
Love the pro tips. Thanks for sharing
No problem at all. Thanks for checking out the video. :) Safe Travels
I just ordered mine purely based on your video reviews thank you sir.
Well thank you Sir. Its been a great tank for us hope you enjoy it :) Well, enjoy may be a bit of a stretch but you know what I mean LOL :)
Very good advice 5tips
Thanks for checking out the video. Safre Travels!
Great info, thank you!
Always good to avoid a "Crappy" situation. LOL. Great video, as always. Thanks for sharing. :)
Indeed. Thanks Dean 👍😁
Great tips. 👍
Thanks for watching! Safe Travels
Great job, very very helpful. Thank you!
Thank you Scott. Glad to be of help. Safe Travels :)
Love the re-cap!
Best instructional video out there!
Well thank you Roy. Safe Travels
Thank you that was very helpful I just received my new tankand the information you provided especially for the wheels was very informative.
Stay healthy and safe.
Thank you Kirk. Glad the video was helpful. Thanks for checking it out. Best of luck with your tank :) Safe Travels.
I like that having a tote tank works easy just to dump everything in there and take it to the dump station. It seems easier to do. Thank you for that video.
Sherri
Thanks Sheri. We would much rather dump the traditional way but if you don't want to move your rig to dump this is a great solution. We really like our tote tank :) Safe Travels
thank you for this video. it was very helpful.
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching. Safe travels.
Very informative video. Even if a person is aware it's good to have a review.
Thank you. Its the little things that make it a better experience LOL
Thanks for the tips! I’m using my portable tank fir the first time today.
Good luck! Glad I could help. Thanks for checking out the video and for following along. Safe Travels
Great video. Great Tips! Great tank!
Thanks for checking out the video. So happy that you found it useful. :) Safe Travels
We are so excited for our honey wagon! lol. It arrived today and we are prepping to use it for the first time tomorrow. Thanks for the tips.
Hi Julie. That is awesome news. So glad you found our videos helpful :) Safe Travels
Great video! We have a different brand but this is one of the first things we bought, it’s a must have!
Definitely. We know now how important these things are to have. Thanks for checking out the video.
Thanks for the tips. I am so relieved and will order soon! Subbed immediately.
Thank you so much. Glad the video was helpful. Safe Travels.
Great video!!! Thank you for the tips.
Hey guys. Thank you so much for checking out the video and for following along. Great to hear you liked the video :) Safe Travels
Very helpful and well put together instructional. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Safe Travels
Thank you for the insight!
Hi Paul. Thanks for checking out the video and following along. Safe Travels
Well done video. Looks like Florence!really good info on overfill too.
Thanks. Florence, yeah, nice park in the trees :)
Thanks for the great video! I dumped my waste tanks from my truck camper into my home septic tank using my Rino 15 gallon tote. Fortunately I didn’t have to tow but your tips really helped.
That is awesome Glen. Glad to hear that the tips were useful. Safe Travels
Thanks for the tips. I bought one for my wife for our anniversary (yeah, I’m that goofball, but she loves me). Going to finally use it next week. Your video is a big help. 👍
HaHa that's awesome. Tina's Dad bought her Mom a sander for Christmas one year. The look on her face was priceless and he just said "Well if you don't like it I'll just put it out in the garage." I'll never forget that. 😁 Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels
Thanks for the advice
No problem! Glad to hear it was helpful. Safe Travels
Ude this valve and you can just clip it on. Great emergency accessory also.
Good tip!
Thanks for the great tips.
You bet. Thanks for checking out the video Safe Travels :)
Very helpful. I will be getting the 36 gallon one for my little trailer at our cottage. I will also get a small road worthy utility trailer to carry the tank to a dump station 12 miles away at a nearby provincial park. so thank you for all the tips. Mary
Thank you Mary. Yeah, that sounds like a great plan. Thanks for watching the video, so glad it helped. Safe Travels
Thank you so much Aaron for this great tip. This is good to know and that Rhino looks like it’s a great tote to use. I almost didn’t recognize you. I don’t know how old the video was because it says a year but not sure. It has great to know how to dump your black and grey tanks. Thank you so much for the tips. Safe travel.
Hi Sherri. Yes this was back in 2019, I'm older now LOL. Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels
Thanks for the great video.
You bet. Glad it was helpful. Safe Travels
Great tips and video!
Hi Robert. So glad to hear you liked it. Thanks for checking out the video and for following along. Safe Travels
I wish I had listened to your video before my 1st trip to the septic tank, lol 🤦🏽♀️
Hi Danielle. Oh no, hopefully everything worked out ok. Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels
Thank you!
You're welcome. Safe Travels
Thanks for training!!!!!!
You're very welcome. Anytime. Thanks for watching.
Great info!!!
Thank you. 😁
Great tips and video! You almost have me sold on getting one! 😎👍
Thanks for checking it out. You really should buy one. 😀
Great video and tips👌
Thank you for checking out the video. Safe Travels
Well done!
Thank you. 😁
I'm planning on buying Rhino tank, but, will upgrade the tires. Thank you for your valuable tips!
Hi Gail. No problem at all. Air filled tires would be the best solution escpecially if you ever go off road like we do in Quartzsite. :) Safe Travels
Great review. Camco tote now has split ring clips holding the wheels on. Some reviewers commented that wheel caps can come off older models.
Yes, I have heard that they have new stock coming out with snap rings. I still get reports from folks getting old stock too though. Hopefully that will run out soon and no one will have the issue I had. :) Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels
We’ve been going back and forth about taking ours to Alaska!
We're definately taking ours. We plan on boondocking quite a bit too.
Thanks Great tips, got the Rhino 36G's model about 2 years ago but have yet to use as no need so far as prefer full hookups. My TT only has 30G's B&G tanks for each so overfill should not be an issue. I made a portable front caster option for it with some lumber and heavy duty caster wheels and plan to use a shortened tow strap to hook it up to the tow hitch of my P/U instead of the steel tow arm attachment option that came with it.
Hi Paul. Sounds like a great mod. Thanks for checking out the video and for following along. Safe Travels
Check out Barker Tote-along-bobber gauge. Put it in the none rinse hose side and it will tell you when it is almost full.
Hi Byron. Great tip Thanks so much. Safe Travels
Thanks for doing this one, Aaron. I've been thinking real seriously about getting one of those tanks, but haven't convinced myself it'd be worth the labor involved with our smaller rig (19-foot). Watching your process convinces me that it won't be that bad, and will help us out in all these state parks we frequent that don't have sewer hook-ups.
Thanks for checking out the video. Glad it helped. I never really thought I needed one either but, like most things, I find now that I own it I should have purchased one right from the start LOL. If you're interested in this tote tank I put the link in the video description to the same one on Amazon. They have 4 sizes as well so if you'd like a smaller one they are available. Ours is the 28 Gal model. Prices are great as well compared to other versions. Safe Travels!
Probably a good idea to practice with the grey water first.
Excellent idea. Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels.
Hi there! On our previous 2 travel trailers, we exclusively stayed at campgrounds with full services. I did have a blue boy type tote tank as we had a clean out access at our house and I could do a final dumping of any accumulated waste during our travels home (the clean out access wasn't close to where we could pull the rig, hence, the tote tank).
Our Outdoors RV travel trailer arrived to the dealer this week. We will go pick it up after Thanksgiving, due to work trips that I have in the interim. So now our mission statement has changed. We will almost exclusively be boondocking out on public lands now that we have moved from NC to southwestern CO. I will still get a tote tank as I am very positive that we will need to transport waste away from our campsite. As I am struggling with regards to what size portable generator to get (I would love to get 1 or 2 small ones so that I don't have to carry big loads), it is becoming apparent that I may have to devise a system to get a mostly loaded tote tank into the back of the truck for longer ranged, off road transport. I am guessing that I will still need to bring the atv ramps to help get this wheeled poop bomb into the truck.
Hey guys. We see numerous folks in Quartzsite each year using one of those receiver hitch cargo carriers to haul their full tote tanks to the dump station. You could even rig up a small winch to pull the tank up on the carrier if you were to get the one with the drop down ramp usually used for mobility scooters. Just an idea. :) Hope that helps. Safe Travels
Check out the FloJet product to pump the liquid into the tote tank in the bed of your truck.
@klg1001 Hi there!! Thank you very much !! A year into boondocking, I have definitely run into challenges with regards to filling a tote tank and getting it to a transportable condition. Even at my house where our clean out access is only about 1 foot above the ground, the tote is an MFer to lift up and drain into that clean out access.
I am definitely going to get one of those flowpump things!! I still have the original battery from our rig (I put in a robust solar system) that I could tote around to power it.
Has anyone added the 3rd wheel attachment on the 36 gal unit? Thanks for making this video - great details.
I have not heard of anyone doing that yet but please feel free to comment if you have and let us all know. Thanks Safe Travels
Awesome! Saved to watch this one again (multiple times) for when we do go full time. Thanks!
Always avoid the poop shower! :) Thanks for checking it out.
Great video - been shopping for one. Could you use a ramp and put it in the back of the truck? Towing looks risky! Have the wheels held up? Seems some reviews say it's a concern. There is a 4-wheel version now but for almost triple the price.
Thanks for checking out the video. The wheels have been holding up fine but I only tow it about 5 miles per hour. I have seen people use those cargo trays fro the truck hitch and wheel it up on there for transport. This works really well if you are boondocking and have to drive into town to a dump station. As heavy as the tote gets full it would also be a good idea to get a macerator pump and put the tote on the ram first then fill it using the pump. A 4 wheel option would be nice but not sure its worth the $$. Hope that helped. Safe Travels
Terrific video! I am going to buy one now. One question... do you wish you would have gotten a larger tote (36 gallon)? My though is most will have to do at least 2 trips anyway, therefore the 28 gal would suffice. Thks, you helped me decide on the 28 gallon.
I have no regrets buying the 28 gallon. It's almost better because it's a bit smaller and fits perfectly on the RV ladder. You've picked a great tank, enjoy.😁👍
@@JonesN2Travel might save you more stress to be lighter. I was thinking about your back hauling it to the hitch...is that hard? I am an older woman with significant damage from osteoarthritis, so i always consider it😁 Thank you for you video😊
Good video. I'm not sure if I want the 21 gallon or the 28 gallon. My rv tanks or 30 gallon tanks but I'm learning toward the 28 gal.
Personally I would go with the 28 gallon. May save you a trip or so when emptying. 😁
21 gallon only has one port and no slide valve. I prefer that for fewer points of failure
Great video!! I just got one today, and haven't used it yet. I'm just wondering what size waste tote is that one in the video? Is a bigger size one better?
Hi Michael. We have the 26 gallon model. Its plenty big enough for us and lighter than the bigger model when full. Hope that helps. Safe Travels
Very helpful video. What model Rhino is featured in your video? And the capacity? Thanks for the very informative video. JAL
Hi James. Thanks for checking out the video and for following along .We have the 26 gallon model. Check them out here: amzn.to/2GPsHeG
Great video! Thank you. This is on my list of things to get. I saw in the background that you have a double water filter hanging below your rig, what brand/model is it? Looks like a good thing!
Hi there. Thanks for checking out the video. The double filters come from the RV Water Filter Store. Check out there website here for all the goodies :) www.rvwaterfilterstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Affiliate=jonesn2travel
Thanks for the tips. Just got this tank. I am a solo female camper and often have trouble unscrewing the connectors. First usage yesterday of my new tote and I damaged the short tubing…had to get out my long hose. All went well but wrangling that hose wasn’t fun. I got the wrench set camco sells to unscrew, but that was still hard. Any tips for the different connectors.
Hi Sharee. They are really stiff when new and will loosen up a bit as you use the tote. You could put a really small amount of grease or even Vaseline on the connections to make them a little easier to turn. Hope that helps. Safe Travels
God bless
Manufacturers need to add safety chains and brake away mechanism on these totes. I can’t imagine what would happen if it accidentally disconnected from the ball mount and heads directly toward someone’s campsite going 20mph while they enjoy their campfire. This thing is more dangerous than towing the travel trailer.
Thanks for checking out the video and following along. Safe Travels
Is the 3 or 4" capped hole on top (end) of the tote there so that the unit can be stood 'up' and drained fully? I assume NOT as the gate valve is on the side hole but still wonder.
Great video that literally anyone can follow. Just wish you included rinsing out the tank. I'm still not sure what the purpose of the little orange garden hose is.
Thanks Steve. Sorry about that. Yeah there is the rinse out connection on the top of the tank. The orange hose is female to female and I'm pretty sure they just designed it that way so you wont hook your "good" hose directly to the poop tank. Thanks for pointing that out, I never even thought to talk to it. Thanks for watching the video and enjoy the tank. Safe Travels
@@JonesN2Travel yeah I guess. I already have a hose I use specifically for my black tank rinse hookup. I figured I would just take that hose with me to the RV dump and wash the tote while it's dumping just like I do with my black tank. The included little hose seems too short to do anything with. Again, great video. there's a Facebook group called RVing for dummies. You're good at teaching. Your videos would be helpful there.
@@Curb71 I do exactly the same thing with a dedicated rinse hose. I agree with you 100% those short hoses are pretty much worthless. Thanks for the tip I'll go check out that FB group. Safe Travels.
Hi, my outlet is at 10” off the ground and the tanks for sale are 13” high. From video, it looks like you have a similar situation where trailer outlet is a bit lower than tank..
Is this how you did it? Shut valve, lift hose to empty, then disconnect? Because it looks like you disconnected without emptying hose first and yet there was nothing in it. Trying to make sure I can do this before spending good money on something that will be un-returnable. Thanks
Having shut off valve at tote end of the hose slows you to shut off fluid if tote was to get full then you can disconnect hose temporally
Hey Poppie, that's a great tip. Thanks for sharing. Safe Travels
Well I tried to suggest an optional valve but cut and paste did not work. You can get a twist on gate valve that does not need gluing on. It is also great to have in case of emergency waste valve failure.
Hi Byron, another great tip. Thanks and Safe Travels
Tip #6 Always avoid the "Poop Shower". :D
EXACTLY! lol Thanks for checking out the video 😉👍
thanks a million for the video. just out of curiosity, how come you didn't buy the 36 gallon? weight\safety issue with the 36?
Thanks for checking out the video. I didn't get the larger tank just because I thought it might be too big for our needs. No other reason just a personal choice lol. Safe Travels
@@JonesN2Travel wow that was a very fast respond! thanks so much!
excellent video, scratch the music while talking, just my opinion.
Thanks for the tip. Safe Travels
If I was to use this as a "extended tank" during a weekend dry camping at a music festival, can you smell the contents if it were to sit under my camper for a day or two? Is it too heavy to lift into the back of the truck?
You could use it as an extended stay and with the caps on tight you probably wouldn't be able to smell it. I've never tried that so not sure how smelly, if at all, it might get. As far as weight it would be tough to pick it up if full and put it in your truck. The 36 gallon model would be about 300lbs completely full.
Nice video. I have a few questions. Your RV outlet appears to be a little lower than the tote inlet. I think that's probably typical and not really a problem as I imagine there's plenty of siphon action to draw fluid, and as you say, you don't want to get the tote completely full anyway. You say that one reason to not fill the tote completely is to leave room for the residual hose fluid, but your video does not show how to get this residual fluid into the tote. At 5:28 in the video you remove the tote end of the hose, which must leave the residual in the hose. I would think that you'd need to remove the RV end first, and tip the hose up to empty the residual into the tote. But... your RV end is a little lower than the tote, so removing the RV end would let residual out. I suppose you could try to raise the middle of the hose before disconnecting either end, to get as much residual out as possible, but you'd never get it completely out. I guess my point is that it seems like you should disconnect the RV end first. And then raise it up to completely empty the hose into the tote. What am I missing? It would be nice if your video showed the important step of getting all the hose residual into the tote without spilling any!
Hi there. Thanks for checking out the video and following along. Yes, you are correct; to get the residual out of the hose you have to pick the hose up and down a few times to get the remaining liquid to go uphill into the tank. When making multiple trips with the tank I leave the hose on the RV and cap the end after I remove it from the tote so the residual stays in the hose until my final trip with the tote where I will empty the residual out the of the hose. This is why you want to empty your grey tank last so if any residual water does drip on the ground it isn't black water. Hope that helps. Safe Travels
@@JonesN2Travel Thanks for the quick reply. So it sounds like your hose end caps fit tightly enough to allow you to travel to the dump with some fluid in the hose. And once at the dump, you can of course empty the hose completely and rinse it out. Makes sense. Thanks again!
Wish I had watched this prior to last night 🤦
Sorry to hear that Katy but glad you are here now. Safe Travels
What if the dump station is a couple miles down the highway? Does anybody transport their holding tank with a cargo carrier on their vehicle hitch? Looks like a hitch cargo carrier with ramp, as used for wheel chairs, would work. It is the right size and weight capacity for 36 gallon tank.
Hi Michael. That is an excellent idea. I've seen guys out in Quartszite, AZ do exactly that. Load it up on the cargo carrier and off you go. Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels
Can two people lift or pull this into a utility trailer? As opposed to using the trailer hitch.
Yes, I think 2 people could pull this up a ramp into a trailer. :) Hope that helps. Safe Travels
It appears that you were successful in draining your tanks, even though fluid needed to travel uphill. Was that truly the case? Do you not need to have the elbow on the tote tank below the level of the tank gate?
Yes, it is a bit of a struggle to get the tanks empty. What I did, once the tanks were almost empty, was to let some liquid into the hose from the RV, close the valve, and then lift up the hose in the middle forcing the liquid to drain toward and into the tank. It would be better if the tank was lower than your rig. Thanks for following along. Safe Travels
What if the tank fill is considerably higher than the trailer empty valve?
Great questions. I usually just fill it about 3/4 full and after shutting off the RV waste valve I lift the hose numerous times to drain it into the tote tank. It isn't the best method but they did make the tote tank a bit high in my opinion. Another option, which we haven't tried yet, is to get a macerator that hooks on the end of the RV waste line. It grinds and pumps the waste through a small hose so it doesn't matter how high the tote is. Hope that helps :) Best of luck and Safe Travels
Just a tip I like to share so you don't do like I did. Use a bungee strap on your hitch so totes doesn't pop off. Ask me how I know.......
That is an excellent suggestion, I love it when we can learn from others "experiences" LOL Thanks for sharing. Safe Travels
How big are the tanks on a 25 komfort trailer? I can't find a book for my trailer to find out.
I did a little digging around online and it looks like you may have a 45 gal black tank and a 45 gal grey tank. Not sure how accurate that is but it may be close. Hope that helps. Safe Travels
What is the link to your “catastrophic” valve?
Here is the one I used. Safe Travels amzn.to/31Ok9Ro
Can you leave that value on the camper or do you have it take it off
Hi Gwen, the valve is glued in place so it stays on the rig. Hope that helps. Thanks for checking out the video and following along, Safe Travels
I bought a 10 gallon tote tank but it didn't come with a hose. The one I use from my 5th wheel has the bayonette attachment at the trailer but not on the other end. I think I need to buy a short piece that has bayonet attachments at both ends so I can attach it to the tote. Can you tell me what that type of thing is called or give me a link to something that would work?
This is what I used on ours. Connect the elbow to the tote and the hose to the elobow. Hope that helps. amzn.to/3wX9Bhk
Thanks for checking out the video. Safe Travels
Pro tip number 7. Get a Natures Head and never worry about it again.
Thank you! You probably saved us from a poo bath 😔
So glad it was helpful. Poo baths are no fun LOL Safe Travels
@@JonesN2Travel We just bought or waste tank so we haven't used it yet. Many state parks don't have them at each site, but they usually have one.
Can you leave it hooked up all the time
You could leave it hooked up but it may over fill. I would only hook it up when you are dumping your tank into it. Hope that helps. Safe Traveks
What is the size of the tote tank?
Its the 28 Gallon model.
Might mention the capacity of the tote tank.
I apologize for that. We have the 28 gallon model. Link for it is in the video description if you want to check it out on Amazon .Thanks for checking out the video.
They tell me not to hang my portable waste tank off the ladder.
I had ours on the ladder of our bighorn with no issues at all but it could ulimately loosen up the ladder I suppose.