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- The Factual Feminist is back to answer your questions in this week's mailbag! This week: Is there evidence of system-wide discrimination against women? Also, Christina responds to commenters who question her research because of where she works, and other questions.
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Christina is a rare gem of a women. She's very logical and moderate. She considers all sides. And she comes across to me as a person who truly does want to have peace between men and women, even with their differences, and not only to win arguments in the internet.
Thanks Christina. You are the sensible bulwark for both men and women.
I agree. Plus she uses peer reviewed papers and that's always a huge plus to me.
@@PaulTheSkeptic Pfft 'Peer reviewed,' by _who?_ Just a pile of politically correct institutional asshats that must be in lockstep with the current academic lies or else be fired?
@@jeffbridges5312 By researchers...🤔
What exactly are you saying here? Because, you might find that not everything is as it seems. For instance, If you're liberal, she uses facts and peer reviewed published journals. If you're conservative, she's been criticized for being funded by a conservative think tank. So what exactly is your issue with her?
@@PaulTheSkeptic Really? You didn't understand? 'Peer reviewed' today means nothing because all of our academic institutions are dominated by Marxists who even teach that there is no difference between the sexes and completely anti-scientific and just spout whatever new politically correct Marxist crap there is
@@jeffbridges5312 Ah, I see. Yes that explains it perfectly thanks. So, Christina Hoff Sommers has criticized the wage gap and other feminist myths. She's criticizes feminist scholarship and many of the bad conclusions they reach. She criticizes the social justice movement in American colleges. She calls modern feminism insanity. She's even criticized the idea that there is no difference between the sexes.
So if you're against her, what kind of libtard cuck are you?
That's what I mean. She defies classification because she so often criticizes the left. Try this. Watch a few episodes of the factual feminist and see if you don't just find yourself agreeing with her more often than you thought.
And for the record. I'm not a Marxist, a communist or even a socialist. Sorry comrade but not all Americans are pinkos like you. Lol. But enjoy your gender neutral pronouns and safe spaces you Spengler.
Finally a rational feminist. Good video.
Your paraphrasesed quote "If you do not trust my scholarship because of the place I work it is not a reason to dismiss it, but to carefully review it ... some times I am pleasantly surprised and learn something [reviewing articles of people disagreeing with me]"
Is one of the most sexy things I have ever heard, I'd wish more people talked like that, rather than just gossiping about other peoples lives.
There are so many meaningless conversations of "I heard that ... isn't that bad" on so many of the topics that are brought up in your videos.
It is nice to see a fact and logically based discussion of them.
The women I know dealing with statistics are some of the most interesting people I know.
It makes me cringe that so many fall to the level of gossip for everyday conversations.
The world is such an inspiring place filled with problems that have actually tanglingable solutions. Sharing ideas rather than gossip over the lunchtime helps the world, just look at Los Alamos 60 years ago, great ideas come from minds sharing ideas, not talks about the print and colour of the curtains that Susan bought last week.
To be fair men gossip horribly too, but being hetrosexual I do not need to search for a male life companion, hence my bias in time spent observing and courting women far outweigh the time spent on deep personal conversations with men, where talks mostly are of a professional manner leading to a higher degree of intellectual talk with spare time talks about the conundrums of life on a more general level rather than trivial specific acts by specific people.
Thank you for the show.
Hang on! A rational feminist who actually looks at facts and doesn't spout bullshit?! Now I've seen everything.
This is what feminism should be like not the radical movements we often see today
Amadeus Winqvist It's not the radicals I have a problem with. They're crazy and everyone knows it so no one listens anyway.
It's the ones that aren't radical but spout the same type of patriarchy bullshit that I have a problem with.
So if they spout the same kind of bullshit as the radicals doesnt that make them radicals? I'm swedish so i know what youre talking about. The "regular" feminism in sweden is actually a radicalisation of feminism but not treated as such.
Amadeus Winqvist Many of the "regular" ones ignorantly spread the same bullshit because they've been mislead by false statistics. It's really sad.
pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V71-Straus_Thirty-Years-Denying-Evidence-PV_10.pdf
The more I watch TV and read news, the more I see that people are either naively choosing the most popular opinion, or they are choosing the answer that fits their beliefs, their movement, their team. Few people know how to do research anymore, and few people can recognize when something they are hearing sounds illogical or biased.
The silence of third-wave radical feminist objection on here is deafening.
Good video.
I have a topic of discussion for Christina, regarding the resumes where both were the same but the one with the male name was preferred over the female one. Well, if I point out the obvious, I'm a misogynist, so maybe Christina could list some of the legitimate reasons as to why people would prefer to mentor a man over a woman, and why people would prefer to hire a man over a woman.
I know the reasons, and if I ran a business, I would never employ women, not because of any malice towards women, but because of the many possible landmines that are laid down as soon as you do.
I get it completely. I've worked in a male dominated field (computer systems development) for nearly twenty years (if you include time spent in university) and it was great. Nearly everyone was friendly and accepting, we had fun with off colour jokes, socialised down the pub or playing video games. These days it's very different. Unless I'm with people who know me very well it's like guys just clam up around me, no more friendly banter or dirty jokes etc. It's just in the air that I could potentially turn any innocent comment, compliment, blue quip or someone asking me out on a date into sexual harassment and have them lose their job. It's horrible.
I really enjoy being around men being men, not emasculated boys. Not that this is really about me, but it does affect me and it saddens and angers me what is being done to our men.
If a man's hiring and/or salary is higher because of willingness to put in longer hours, willingness to do jobs even the ones that are not fun, willingness to not take leave and strive to earn promotions etc, etc, then well YES... it IS discrimination. But it's the kind of discrimination that is not illegal or immoral or anything like that because it's discrimnination based on MERIT. It's choosing the best match for the needs of the organization. And sorry feminists, there's no leg to stand on to oppose that. So feminist-up and compete on equal terms and level playing field that has been provided for you for decades in LAW.
6oodfella That's seems funny to me. I almost only hire women to work for me ,except in jobs where lifting is required. The men are lazy ,egocentric pains in my ass. They start arguments with other workers, ask for more days off, wanna leave early. They show up drunk or stoned. The women don't pull this shit at anywhere near the same rate. I also had to fire a prick two years ago for trying to force his religion on the other workers, threatening people with hell all day long. Women don't seem to do shit like this. I fail to see the danger as long as you aren't hiring some Tumblr feminist twat, and most women don't belong in that category.
Brian T "I fail to see the danger as long as you aren't hiring some Tumblr feminist twat, and most women don't belong in that category" - Most women may not belong in that category, but they can still make life very difficult for all others around them, boss included, and all it takes is one bad mood, and an off-joke, or remark, and you're done for.
Miss Peori
Men haven't changed: We have been endlessly trained not to treat women as equals, so sadly we don't. It's not that we don't want to, but we have been told that women at work must be are handled with care, so they are afforded artificial courtesy. Some women I work with and have known for years I treat as equals. They get sworn at and teased just like the guys, and they are happy to reciprocate accordingly. More importantly, they are genuinely respected as equals. They don't have to demand respect, they have earned it.
I was sceptical about the AEI, but your charisma won me over. Seriously though, good point about that last part.
Nothing more beautiful than a smart woman.
She isnt beautiful or smart; just a gobby feminist
I live in Australia. I've heard about the wage gap and women participation rate in the workforce but I had not seen it applied in a practical sense until recently.
I am currently out of work and as there is a pandemic I've tried to look for more stable work. I've looked into several roles in the Australian government and was really surprised to come across several roles in the past two weeks that I cannot apply because I'm a white male. These roles were only allowing applications from women, or in some cases First Nations people. If the wage gap is a fallacy, how do you think we turn back the tide on this "positive discrimination".
It's sad to think we are no longer looking for the best, brightest or qualified to fill roles, we are looking for the right genitals as a prerequisite for employment.
I have the same need as women to put food on the table and have a roof over my head.
Women and men should both have the same rights to employment if they can contribute, so I would like to hear your thoughts.
Thank you.
I agree with your comments 100%. Whatever happened to the premise of hiring the best candidate for the job. Regardless of gender. SMH
This girl is sharp. I'm part of the far left. The Chomsky left. Yes, *that* left. Which is a branch of old Libertarianism.
I like her last quip at the end about reviewing her own work carefully. That's something Chomsky would say.
Well, I learn something every time I watch your videos. Thank you, and keep up the great work.
You make me happy. Thanks for inspiring some hope into my life. Otherwise I think I'd just be depressed constantly.
Feminist thats Intelligent and not filled with hate! Keep it up, your helping society!
When I read the commentaries, Started to wonder if anyone listened till the end. Specially the las 40 seconds. For me, the most important part of the video is there.
I think its worth noting the graduate application study for the same position, and it was a managerial position. As you said it can get complicated if one is trying to weigh through a multitude of factors such as how subordinates may respond to an authority of one gender versus another. What the study did not include, are employment demographics looking at the facilities involved in the study, if they already had comparatively equal male to female ratios.
What this study seems to be is a basis to encourage further review into the thesis. Which not anything nefarious or misleading. Its pretty common to test the potential of further research.
I love that you're so fair-minded. I don't think a lot of women would like to hear what you're saying.
Have you ever studied the work of Karen Straughan? She has many similar points. The world needs more women like you two.
I was triggered because the title said mail in it, that is way too close to 'male' for my poor brain to take! Darn Patriarchy!
But seriously, great video :) Thanks Christina!
Love your work, your honesty, and your refusal to take sides based on popular culture.
"shocking", please rate this pun on a scale of 1 to im crying im laughing so hard
I think that there is systematic discrimination against boys in the school.The same experience should be set in the school and other female-dominated area such as psychology,English,and education.I wonder what will happen.
I could see why males would often rather mentor males. More perceived inter-relatability, less risk of sexual tension, etc. Likewise, I could see females preferring to mentor females for the same sorts of reasons. This is technically sexism, but not of a hostile sort. But this sort of study is important and the results absolutely should be well publicized. Because, whatever the reason, it is not a good thing that some people have a tougher battle than others to get to the same goals.
On another note: Question - the stats provided comparing percentages of male and female with various tenured positions. Just want to confirm: are those percentages the percentage of successful male and female applicants? i.e., 31% of female applicants for tenured positions were successful (and so 69% of female applicants were unsuccessful), and 29% of male applicants were successful (and 71% unsuccessful)? (These numbers that I gave are made up). - Thx.
Whenever the Tumblr extremists disappoint, anger or baffle me with their ingorance and blind hatred, I come and watch these videos and remind myself why I started proudly supporting feminism in the first place. Keep up the good work!
You have totally gifted me hope miss. Gods be with you.
Some very fair and well-balanced points. Once we allow our opinions to cloud our judgement, and we start to dismiss or accept evidence based on what suits us rather than merit, truth ceases to matter.
Is it truly sexism if the employer presents a justifiable reason for not hiring based on risk?
I have a buddy that does retail and, in his time as a manager, he's found women to be friendlier, but a very large liability for two reasons. The first is potential abuse of HR and what women can get away with legally. The second is entitlement and what _some_ women expect of others without expecting of themselves. Remember Samantha Brick and her all female television production company that crashed and burned due to infighting? I don't think I've ever met a man that would behave so destructively, but I've certainly met some women with entitlement issues.
Should anything with a fiscal report be required to accommodate those facets? For small businesses, it can easily kill them.
Why are people so close minded to conservatives but then turn around and say they are the close minded one...
I'd appreciate it if this channel provided links to sources in the description. While I agree with many of your conclusions, I struggle to follow the reasoning behind a lot of it and it would help me strengthen my own intellectual understanding.
I don't deny there's a bit of an "old boys network" at play in some places, but if detected it should be reported to the proper authorities. But let's also consider the possibility that in this day and age some places, like the sciences, may shy away from women out of sheer self-preservation, for fear that anything whatsoever might be construed as offensive and cost some guy his job. Even if it doesn't go that badly, there's still resistance to change in one's accustomed habits and behaviours, going from what's acceptable to men to what's acceptable to women.
When people are walking on eggshells for fear of offending someone, it can be hard to get any work done.
Would it be possible for someone to explain how compensation works in Corporate America? It would be refreshing if the reality of the workplace could be applied for once to show this Wage Gap as advertised is not possible.
Now in order for the argument of a 22% gap for the exact same job to exist you have to be specific about what that exact same job is...
There are typically Job Families in each discipline. I will use IT as an example: In the Infrastructure Discipline of IT you will find the following job families. Help Desk, Engineering, Architecture.
And within each family you will have a breakout of Job Grades like Engineering 1, Engineering 2, and Engineering 3 etc
So for instance if you worked in the IT field, and you worked in the Engineering family and worked at a grade Engineering 1 you have a pay range...
Here is the problem with this 22% nonsense. You will not be finding any Job grades which actually have a 22% range in it. This is why you break down the grades into the 1 2 3 levels.
Another standard practice is that you bring in new employees in the bottom third of the grade. Depending on how employer and potential employee negotiate it. Raises are somewhere around 5%. until...
You are in the top third of that pay range. Then standard practice is to start lowering the typical raise or you end up topping out the employee in his or her grade. Right around that time the boss is supposed to work on getting the employee to the next pay grade up.
Now let me throw out a twist which I experienced when I was asked to perform hiring function.
Because of the big stink of no women in IT HR specifically requested we give preferential treatment to women. Hows that for equality?
And when a job offer is made HR requested that we start them in the second third of the pay grade. Once again fairness and equality for propaganda purposes.
So the current reality is that there is inequality in the work place. But it is actually in women's favor.
And ponder this. HR is responsible for employee issues. The next time you walk into the HR department take a quick visual check of the ratio of women to men...I am sure you will go deer in the headlights whenever it is suggested that Companies routinely discriminate against women
The only industry that has a ridiculous gap is entertainment, but that's a whole different story.
I think it's interesting you said "At the same time I think there are probably workplaces where there is sexism, other workplaces where women enjoy favouritism" when both instances are sexism either against women or men. We see this reframing a lot I think, for example sexism against women is just sexism, privileges women might enjoy are benevolent sexism, whereas sexism against men is either denied or palmed off as "the patriarchy backfiring" (it seems to backfire a hell of a lot! Almost like it doesn't exist...), and privileges men might enjoy aren't just privilege, they are "systematic privileges gained from the patriarchy; a system designed by men for the express benefit of all men via the oppression of all women." I don't know how anyone can think that's anything other than insane. (You can argue a tiny minority of men did this for their own benefit, and I'd probably agree in general, but to suggest/state all men or even a majority of men benefited and haven't been as oppressed as women, and that all women have been oppressed and that at least a minority haven't benefited is so wilfully ignorant, agenda driven and bigoted that it makes my blood boil.)
I'm not pulling you up on this as I know you're fair minded and were probably just making the distinction clear, it's more a commentary on how feminists like to twist things. They're doing a pretty good job of it in my opinion.
Here's a handful of questions to you masquerading as one Christina: What do you think about the first International Conference on Men’s Issues (ICMI14) held by www.avoiceformen.com (AVfM) and would you like to attend or speak at one of these in the future?
I'd certainly like to see you there (at least via the internet as I doubt I'll be able to afford to attend one myself any time soon).
PS. I don't think people are questioning your research because of where you work, in my opinion that's just a red herring - they're questioning your research because it questions their fragile belief system and they'd rather defend it blindly than potentially admit they're wrong and bring down their mental house of cards.
While I see your point and agree to an extent (I had a similar reaction upon first hearing her say that) I think her intention was to phrase both sentences as a female perspective. "sexism" and "favoritism" in this light could be applied to both male or female, "sexism against men; favoritism towards men" is the opposite of "sexism against women; favoritism towards women." Again, if your interpretation of what she said was her true intentions then I agree with you, but I feel like in this case it was a misunderstanding.
Thomas Dutton "I'm not pulling you up on this as I know you're fair minded and were probably just making the distinction clear, it's more a commentary on how feminists like to twist things. They're doing a pretty good job of it in my opinion."
Its on the subject of women. Hence the "factual feminist"'
-Geez, some people get upset over semantics.
+Miss Peori I absolutely love your suggestion of her attending ICMI, maybe ICMI16? Did 15 already happen? Oh hell idk much about it haha But Erin Pizzeys speech at ICMI14 was absolutely amazing
Thank you so much.
Never seen a bad show
Please please keep it up
Truly inspiring to hear valid logic on these topics. We live in a time where political correctness trumps actual correctness and tolerance. You're a beacon of light like so many others who have shown me past the demagoguery of the PC collectivist anti-science. It's funny because for most of my life I would sneer at Rush Limbaugh for saying things like feminazi but I'm starting to think he may be right about this one.
Man, I would be such a raging feminist if there were more people like Christina.
Also, noticed an issue I see in modern feminism right now, well, grievance feminism: if they find one example of sexual discrimination, it seems fine for them to suddenly apply it across the board to all other things in that original's purview.
One of the issues with feminists regard for the term "sexism" is that they only think it applies to males. To most of them, it's impossible for a woman to be sexist toward a man. This should be kept in mind when it comes to discussions and "studies" regarding sexism in the workplace as it's only looking at sexism toward women from men. What's more, there is little curiosity when it comes to industries where women dominate, such as nursing, child care, and child education. In fact, oftentimes there is open sexism (yes, sexism can and does exist toward men).
I would say that, on aggregate, sexism occurs in both directions in some situations, but sexism toward men is ignored.
Resumes get you in the door. The interview gets you the job. I'm an exceptional interviewer. I say this because I've been offered employment for nearly every job for which I've interviewed (admittedly not a significant number as I started my own business many years ago) and I've been told by those interviewing me that I interview well. One former manager of mine with whom I'm still friends even though we haven't worked at the same company for over a decade told me that he never would have offered me the job based on my resume but he pushed for me after our interview. I even started at a slightly higher salary than was typical for the position. While I'm not thrilled with the results from the study showing men are viewed as more valuable based on a resume, I think there's more to it in the real world. It doesn't look good though and more research needs to be done to ensure equality of opportunity exists. For the record, my manager at that company (not the person who interviewed me) was a woman. And so was my project manager and the CEO of the company.
I LOVE YOU!!!
It's been a while since it aired, but I was wondering about your thoughts on the "labels against women" ad that Pantene ran. You can find it on CZcams.
lmao the war on "Bossy." What a stupid notion. To suggest that women are oppressed in the workplace and any position of authority by being called bossy.
1:30 I'd say that it might come from the fact that due to gender quota's many truly intelligent women are overshadowed by ''token women'' who were accepted simply for being female, discrimination is Always bad, but education should be a meritocracy, not a quota-based one...
Aha, caught you at the end where you referred to the "male bag"... :)
When I looked into the supposed pay gap between men and women in the UK, the measure I found was related to 'male jobs' v 'female jobs'. A male job was denoted as one where 70% of the workforce were men, where as a female job was one where 80% of the workforce were women. (No, there is no typo in those numbers).
All other work was considered 'gender neutral' and so discounted.
My concern was, of cause, that this discrepancy between what denotes a male job and what denotes a female job could lead to a job where 79% of the workforce being women would be declared gender neutral and so not considered in the pay comparison, where as a job with 71% male workforce is. The question then is: What jobs fall into this discrepancy and how would they change the findings on pay discrepancy?
please review the video - What about the Gender Work Place Hours Gap?
Another topic for Christina: so now some of the college stuff has been covered. How about job applications going through the female-dominated HR offices out there in companies? Any evidence of (systematic) discrimination? I've read quite a few times that women have a stronger in-group bias than men.
Love your stuff.
Let's be honest, though. Do you only call yourself a feminist to piss off feminists? :p
So this segment is called the "male bag?"
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I have a male bag.
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You are awesome!
I agree those blindly demanding that woman need to be paid more then they are now are ignoring facts and closing their minds to real debate. I do think saving for retirement is an issue in countries where pensions are saved by individuals rather then by the state through tax. An individual who takes 5 years off to raise a kid and then works part time for another 10 will have far less to retire on.
I was wondering if you would ever do any work with Warren Farrell? You seem to be the most moderate and fact evaluating feminist and he is the most moderate MRA (I guess he's one) that I know of. You two could really bridge the gap on gender issues and bring more feminists and MRAs to the middle.
I remember a woman sending her resume with both a male and female name and she was surprised that she got more then twice as many call backs, interview and job offers as a woman then a man.
A scientific study or anecdotal story?
jonnenne An article.
I just gotta ask, what was the gender of the person who actually wrote that CV? Cos I think they were responding to honesty in one case and dishonesty in the other. Unconscious cues.
I have come to really enjoy your videos. Could you help with a question I have had trouble attempting to answer? What is your take on pro-life v. pro-choice? I want women's rights to be protected but I also want laws and policies that reflect a value on life and I am sure there is a middle ground that can be met.
i'm so serious about this kind of stuff i even thought she said "male" bag
The only real wage gap is in adult industry where male actors are routinely discriminated against females to the extent that men are admittedly "just a prop".
Now imagine if someone called a woman "a prop". That person would be crucified.
That comment about "Feminist Electrical Theory" getting rid of the bias present in "male & female" plugs... it reminds me of an article I read in some PC magazine back in the 90's where the author claimed that there was racial discrimination in the computer industry because (with the IDE connectors of the time) Hard Drives had to be designated either "Master" or "Slave", and that such terms were damaging to diversity in tech fields.
You so need to be a guest lecturer at Roskilde Univerity in Denmark :D
Men and women do different things.
Men want to fix things whereas women are more focused on people.
For example, men are more likely to be a construction manager whereas woman are more likely to be a teacher.
The ‘pay gap’ doesn’t factor in choice, age, pregnancy, maternity leave and the type of jobs people do. That’s the reason why many ‘feminists’ are false in this argument.
Great ending. :)
We all have do researches ourselves. Dont listen to other commenter telling you what you should do.
Listen to what others telling you to do is just strange.
make your own decision by oberving what you see and read.
Then make your own judgement.
Yeah, but did the egg give clear verbal consent?
What I hate about current times is that moderates are rare. Also they get confused for who ever is slandering them for their opposed seating on he political/social scales. The world needs more moderates and less extremist.
In re: Yale study. One factor possibly overlooked in that study is name aesthetic. See Kasof (1993). Sex Bias in the Naming of Stimulus Persons. Psychological Bulletin, 113, pp 140-165.
It's just not right that she's calling herself a feminist in this todays standards. She hasn't lost all logic and reasoning
I work in a high tech company, our company proudly states that women are overpaid in every department, compared to their peers. Meanwhile, google once had a female boss, who was incredibly pissed that her male employees where all underpaid to women employees who did not perform as well. She called it sexist, and ironically she was punished for speaking out.
Best ever !!!!!!!
Women are amazing ! They are more brilliant than men , they react better , they are more accomodating ! But that's where it ends .
Everytime she takes her glasses off it looks like she's about to reach out and smack the commentor.
Word of the day, quota.
In biology and mathematics those are not comparable percentages, especially considering the closeness of the other disciplines.
Nobody should take those social science "studies" seriously.
No doubt you're aware of the Women Against Feminism movement and the responses that feminist bloggers and authors have towards these women. What are your thoughts on the WAF women and the feminists who are criticizing them? Do you think modern Western feminism is at a tipping point?
I've got a question, what's your opinion of the Men's Rights Movement, and the female MRAs such as those at A Voice For Men, Honey Badger Radio/Brigade and Shrink4Men (etc.)?
Also, do you think that "equity feminists" will ever "take back" feminism? Because I really can't see that multibillion dollar industry and ideology going away anytime soon.
Carefully review it? What, you mean actually...research?! Come on Christina, that's too difficult and involves thinking!
Carefully review = Research. Same same.
+Silkfox WHOOOOSHHHH
I really love your work, Christina. But here is a question. Why do some employers prefer male employees over female employees in some fields, while in certain other areas, employers prefer female ove male workers? Maybe the nature of the job has something to do with it. We need to consider all the reasons (and different variables) to say that a business, for instance, is discriminating against one group. Just like a business having all female employees because the owner hates men, another business may have all male employees because the owner thinks women are trouble. This is sexism. But it's not always as clear-cut as we may think it is...
I found this after a few source jumps from a one wage gap blog.
Time women use on work compare to men.
Working and work-related activities (m) 4.17 (f) 2.94 =70,5%
Working (m) 3.74 (f) 2.67 =71,39%
www.bls.gov/tus/tables/a1_2012.pdf
ogreMECH: "oh-gruh-mek". That made me laugh. I love Factual Feminist, but it's still funny when my elders totally miss nerdy things.
Remember the time Google said they were going to eliminate the wage gap within their organization, and then they figured out they had been _underpaying_ their male staff?
Why is it even a thing ? we all know history was made by by blood ! and now our being learned a lot more ! that we can live in peace ! It was such a hard thing to accomplish!
John today has more hurdles to get over than Jennifer - it may explain why John is perceived as a better option....
But.. but feminists say the pay gap is for the SAME WORK! How can that be if it's just the median wage for all types of work?
It's called:
Manipulating Social Perception.
In other words...
Lying!
It worked very well for Hitler, Lenin, Mao, or Chaves.
Feminists are using the same tactis...
their is a pay gap in banking industry and insurance industry
Lol the minute you said you were from a conservative site my eyes widened and was ready to unsubb since "this women is clearly bias'd and helping the Republican agenda against women!"
But the way you closed it out was awesome, best to go do some research now to confirm things you've stated :p
linear algebra??? try topology or algebraic geometry.
Even so, women have the advantage of it to be acceptable to marry into wealth, as opposed to having to obtain it to attract a potential partner. In fact, women receive no shortage of male attention. Even to the point the excess amount is considered harassment. Dating someone with success and wealth is not only acceptable for Western women, but also encouraged. How many times has Cinderella been reimagined in cinema, and how many people watch the movies? I can’t say I can take someone seriously when they talk about the wage gap when hypergamy isn’t off the table in their eyes.
I've been looking for evidence of the wage gap in real life by talking to women I meet for quite a while now. So far I've yet to find any women that have suffered from it.
I do know of a real life example from a place I used to work. In 1980 two women I worked with at a grocery store told me that the owner of the store used to pay the women cashiers less because they were women. He quit because his wife told him it wasn't fair. He agreed and raised their wages to that of the men. They said he quit doing that about 10 years before which would have been circa 1970. That was 44 years ago.
No one can guarantee it doesn't happen today but until I see evidence of it I'm going to believe it's an isolated problem.
Warren Farrell: Women who have never been married and never had children earn 17% more than never-married men that have never had children, even when education and years worked are equal. Men don’t earn more than women. Dads earn more than moms. Why? When a child is born, a mom is more likely to divide her labor between work and home, earning less at work. A dad is more likely to increase his hours at work-or work two jobs-often taking jobs he likes less that pay more.
She's not so different than other feminist...... All the same time evidence..... All the same....... Very intelligent answer..... Claps ..... You must've definitely added some new feminist to your organization.... Cause videos like this all about marketing the feminism.....
Clicked this with expectations of there not being actual facts but completely bias dribble not the case at all she is a awesome person who understands that just because we are different dont mean men are bad now if we can only fix friend of the court and clone this lady a few hundred times the world would be better
Since 1963 The Military, the federal government, the postal service, state government, county government, city government, all the utility companies, the education system, all the health care companies, every corporation, every union and every legal business and every foreign company doing business in the USA has to pay equally by LAW. So where is all this “discrimination” taking place that women only earn 77%? Either the entire system is terribly corrupt or someone is stretching the truth about 23%. Which is more likely?
Don't both men and women earn $20 an hour? Women work 32 hours a week, men work 39 per week.
Women....clerks....are being discriminate against where I work. The low-level, unskilled/semiskilled male dominate position salaries have been upgraded 3 to 4 times over the last 10 to 12 years. Their hourly wage at the max step is now almost level. In fact recently they have just approved starting laborers at their max. step. We have salary steps. At least the clerks do. The laborers positions have just been approved to start at their top salary step. Their starting salary is now $4.00 higher than a clerk starting at my pay grade. Their starting salary is $20.00/hr. compared to my grade starting salary which is at $15.75/hr. What is wrong with this picture? Maybe it is just me.... I was brought up in the 60's and 70's. Right! I hold a clerical position that requires education and experience. About 10 to 12 years ago my salary grade max. to max. was around $4.00 higher per hour than a laborers unskilled/semi. salary rate. Not any longer. No one seems to cares. A clerk at my level with education and experience starting salary is now....at this moment $15.75/per hour. Unskilled...semi- skilled laborers starting salary is over $20./hr. I work in Massachusetts. Let's talk equally. Oh.... Forgot to add.... We have a union. I've tried to voice my concerns about this at a union meeting and it was made to seem I was picking on the poor laborers who to me have deserved the increase in salary. But not at the expense of the female dominant positions. Why is this? I was told at a union meeting that that some of the laborers had to apply for food stamps. Bad me....... I was made to seems selfish and heartless. Guess it is okay for the women to have to apply for food stamps to eat and feed their families. Okay..... The male dominate position increases should not have been at the expense of the female dominant positions. How can you raise bottom level employees up 3 to 4 times and not the upper level ones? Does anyone know math anymore? Seems the department heads have even been taken out of the equation by administration to raise their salaries. It use to be that the department heads would receive the percentage increase that the lowly employees received. The past few administration's have found a way to jump around this. The have increased the department heads salaries by thousands and are still giving them the measly increase the rest of us have gotten, too.. Women's rights have fallen by the wayside. All that matters today is specialized group rights. Who cares about women. Even the fact that we have a uterus doesn't seem to matter anymore. TOO MUCH! Even our rights to make decisions about our own body is being taken from us...... again.... Piece by piece. WHAT'S NEXT? THE RIGHT TO VOTE? I can see that coming in a few years. Remember.... You heard it here first.
There is a wage gap for MOTHERS and FATHERS. As mothers generally spend more time with their child and take more time off during and after pregnancy (for many reasons), they as a result work less hours and have less experience, and become penalized for it. Things of this nature should be of actual debate-how to settle the biological difference between men and women in order to allow for maximum freedom and dignity of both sexes.
The world does not revolve around accommodation - reason being is production, value and even all personal experience are entirely dependent on the hours in a day. No one is really "penalized" for where they spend their time but instead rewarded where they put their time.
I'm a 56 year old Sr. software engineer, I've been in the industry for far more than thirty years, we had three children and I took off at least a month when each were born - I still got called why I was away. I'd also state I probably averaged about 50 to 55 hours a week in my career, it's just a fact projects require time, I was also pretty much on call all those decades when things went awry and something hit the fan... The further up the ladder we go the more responsibility and time is required, so they reward you with a $. Though, That's not the only thing reward in life.
In 1998 I became a single parent (our children were seven, five and one year old at the time) and of course career/life balance became more difficult...
"Time!" I treasure it and hate it. I may pretty much can state that if I had my preference I'd spend more time surrounded by those I love - our children - rather than chasing the next career goal down. See, "quality time" is part of the quantity of time, and where you spend most your time you're likely to put in more quality time just due that. Time is $, time is valuable ... way I look at it is wherever you are more be it at work or at home you're likely to get more personal value out of it - You've invested most your time there.
So, it entirely comes down to where you wish to invest and sacrifice your time. If you're going to put the effort into a career it will show, if your going to put the effort into your family it shows there.
I'll tell people this, when I retire it's not the projects, millions of lines of code nor anything like that I'll look back upon, See, why that was valuable for it's "time" it's devalued by the day, obsolete and antiquated, I doubt anyone could care about it then even though millions had used what I helped produce in the past - so why should I? When I look into the eyes of my children however, I see the hope, the promise, love and potential of the future, in some way an immortality and some sense that least I may have had some influence, be remembered a bit longer after I'm gone. That's fulfillment.
Why "Mail bag" instead of "Fe-mail bag?"
From the study Gender Differences at Critical Transitions in the Careers of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics Faculty:
"The survey data suggest that positive changes have happened and continue to occur. At the same time, the data should not be mistakenly interpreted as indicating that male and female faculty in math, science, and engineering have reached full equality and representation, and we caution against premature complacency. Much work remains to be done to accomplish full representation of men and women in academic departments."
Proof Sommers cherry picks data and is not a real scientist.
IF women were cheaper to employ . . . how would a man EVER get a job?
lol
Gender Pay Gap.. ah..
Let's talk about the Porn Industry
why is the woman can get paid more when both men and women are doing the same thing and the men have to work longer hours and paid less?
Ooh, check the facts of opinions you disagree with? What a novel idea! I would amend that statement though to fact check everyone.
This isn't for the feint of heart though, you may find that both sides of the argument have been lying to you.
dogishappy0 Admittedly it's difficult to "check the facts" when it comes to really controversial topics such as feminism. You have any suggestions? Any sites with "Objective" information? Or something like that.
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Unfortunately, my research into these subjects involves a lot of "why your idea is bad" articles. I understand that these papers have a known bias, but reading both sides helps me view the subject matter from perspectives i am unfamiliar with.
A good rule of thumb though, is to be aware of how research and data can be framed to influence people. Be on the lookout for logical fallacies(a big one during campaign season), and avoid sources that focus a lot on them.
Also, know what qualifies as a true academic study and train yourself to spot fakes, i.e. 1. "correlation does not imply causation" 2. Ask how the data was collected, most surveys are self-selected, meaning that they are not truly representative of the sampled population. 3. review the questions asked, many surveys have what is called, "response bias" where the question is worded to unfairly favor a specific outcome.
I know this can be tough, but there are books and classes out there that focus on this in more detail.
As a bonus, keep this in mind with the US presidential debates: Navy-Blue make you look friendly and approachable, Red make you look like a go-getter, White give an air of formality.