Gender activists dismayed by this new reason for the wage gap | FACTUAL FEMINIST
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- It is just not true that, for the same work, women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. Factors such as college major, occupation and length of time in the workplace explain most of the pay gap. AEI's Sally Satel explains the discovery of another factor contributing to that gap.
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Hi, I’m Sally Satel, visiting Factual Feminist and resident scholar at AEI. Economists have shown over and over again that when you control for relevant differences between men and women employees the wage gap narrows to a very small amount. New research shows that another variable shrinks that discrepancy even more. The additional variable is “overwork.” An overworker is someone who regularly works more than 50 hours per week at his or her job. This has nothing to do with putting in over time or working more than one job. Overwork is typical of people in medical and legal careers and in finance and in managerial positions. Two researchers, Youngjoo Chu at the University of Indiana and Kim Weeden at Cornell have paid careful attention to it. The two were puzzled that the gap between male and female earnings has persisted even as more women were entering the workplace, graduating from college, and delaying child bearing. This is where overwork comes in. For one thing, the pay is better for a 50 plus hour work week. The corporate world places a huge premium on long hours-and so doubling one’s workweek far more than doubles his or her salary. No surprise that bosses might perceive overworkers as more committed and loyal than full-time workers and disproportionately reward them with better work assignments or promotions. All this adds to their paychecks. Second, and key, overwork is more common among men by a ratio of 2 to 1. The ratio has been stable for at least two decades. Women are less likely than men to enter jobs that require extremely long hours and less likely to stay in such jobs. (I’ll note here that the authors found no evidence that men who overwork were paid more than women who do.) Wage gap activists are aware that women work fewer hours over all and that this explains part of the gap. Their solution? Change the workplace. Why not make the workplace work better for everyone-they say-- by discouraging over-time and workaholism. Here is the Clayman Institute for Gender Research at Stanford. It says “We need to redesign workplaces so that they are better aligned with the lives of the people who work in them.” Ok, accommodations within reason make good sense. Until they say: “Performance should no longer be measured by how many hours employees put in.” The logic seems to be: if men and women but especially men were less hard driving, then men and women’s pay would equalize-and we would all be happier and have a better work/life balance. This has a surface plausibility-but think about it: Anytime you restrict the freedom of one group to equalize outcomes, the cure ends up being worse than the perceived disease. Just remember title IX which led to the cutting of male sports teams while female teams went underpopulated! Practical question: How would truncated work weeks actually operate in the neutered workplace? In journalism, reporters cover stories and beats for more than a few hours or days at a time. Law firm and financial clients want to see the same faces handling their cases or transactions and, in medicine, want the same doctor who knows their medical history. You just can’t hand off your clients and patients as if they were widgets. And when you do, mistakes happen. Are men who overwork and women who don’t just following a socially sanctioned script? This may play some role, but here’s a question: is overwork really a problem? I grant you that being forced to work at a job you don't like is hell--the fewer hours the better. But for a creative or entrepreneurial person, or someone on a mission -work is exhilarating.
Gender activists dismayed by this new reason for the wage gap
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Why become an engineer when you can focus on gender studies and complain about not being an engineer?
You are a smart person 😅
As an engineer, I can attest that complaining is easier than engineering.
Hahhahaha
Hahaha
Nice one, funny! :-)
I was an overworker who earned less than my female peers because of a gender diversity policy that demands only women receive pay increases above the standard 3% and I've been three times denied promotion into a role that has been deemed necessary but pretty much everyone in the business because i'm a man and promotions must go to women. I now simply don't give a fuck after 5 years of this nonsense and I show up late and leave early and am looking to run my own business.
I've had to see counsellors for depression and stress as a result and their conclusion was essentially to stop giving a shit, give up on this job and try to find more meaningful pursuits where my skills and hard work will actually be rewarded because there's nothing I can do even though it's completely unfair.
Thanks feminism, thanks so much for all the equality you've given me.
No, this is your fault for having a problem that you think you are disadvantaged when really you should be checking your entitled white-man privilege. A woman deserved that promotion, not you. Don't you know all the suffering that women have to go through on a daily basis? Of course a man like you would dare to complain about having the easy life.
Hey was my 3rd wave impression good?
Sad to hear that but you're right - better to be your own boss in this case or just jump ship to somewhere better. Such companies who do not value talent are like nations who do not value children, they will die in 30 years or sooner.
I recommend that you plan and work to create your own business. Let them wallow in their own lack of productivity and cat fights.
Is this seriously true?? That's a pretty fucken dystopian work place dude. How is that even real? Tell me more about this policy?
You should get a new job where your input is valued.
For years now I have consistently made more than my female counter part that works right beside me. How is that possible? We are union for goodness sake. There is no difference in our pay scale. The difference is the amount of time worked. With each of us offered overtime on weekends , she takes far more weekends off than I do. At our jobs we don't have to take our vacations. We actually get a lump sum payment for all days off not taken and the end of the year. She never has any vacation or personal time at the end of the year. Meanwhile I almost never take all of my vacation. The difference at the end of the year is well over 10- 15 K. At the end of the year we've both made decisions that we felt were best for our own situations. She, at the end of the year, has good memories of sandy beaches and trips with the grand kids to the zoo, and I have a nice chunk of change in my bank account. Which one of us made the right decision? We Both did!!
Your female colege sounds like me i work minimal overtime and take all my holidays some extra unpaid work to live not live to work
Yes, you both made the choice that was right for yourselves. Why do we women have to keep on with an incessant, self-righteous, blaming whine?
@@tracesprite6078 because of an entitled, young, lazy group of yall that wants the best of both worlds.
All the free time of an easy schedule with the pay of overtime.
They don't want equality, they want the male priviledges without giving up any female ones. They wanna be the stay at home wife with no job, the spoiled girlfriend who does no housework, and the rich ceo with all the cash all at once.
@@DarthZ01 Oh, dear. That is all very depressing. I guess in the process of transitioning from one way of organizing things to the more recent one, we have lost our way. Hope we can start making better choices.
This is like asking to pay a boxer to lose a match so the opponent does not look like a loser. It's immoral and shows great weakness. Funny for a movement that strives to make women look strong.
It's not funny, it's normal, common, and widespread. That's feminism. That's why it's called cancer.
It doesn't strive to make women look strong. It strives to oppress men and strong women who don't buy into this non sense.
Attaining strength, or competence in a field takes time and dedication. So called gender studies majors want to stack a system in such a way that they don't look bad, they don't have the skills, drive or innovation to compete with others so they want to drag everyone down to their level. Thing is, skills, drive and innovation is something they could build up for themselves as to earn the respect, opportunities and rewards given to others that fuel their inferiority complex.
Ya. Thing is we're not in a fight or competition but they make it so.
Devide & conquer.
a point which lends credence to these people claiming to be feminists being silly little idiot women being ordered around by men who think they're being clever about it. I utterly fail to see women being, behaving and thinking like Women being this fucking stupid. particularly when claiming to champion the cause of their gender.
So the solution is "YOU need to work less hours so I can feel good about myself"?
As a software engineer, architect and manager, I never worked less than 50 hours a week. I did this so that I could solve problems that needed to be solved when they needed to be solved. As a result, I became the guy who knew key information, as well as the guy who could guarantee that quality work would always get done in a timely manner. This led to more than a tripling of my pay in less than 10 years. There was no other way to get the work done. Other folks, men and women alike, who would only put in 40 hours a week and didn't study nights and weekends on top of it, just got marginalized as time went on.
For a long time, my CEO was a woman, and many of the people in top positions were, too, but they were the ones who showed the same, or greater, dedication to the work that I did.
To bad people can't see this and the cases that do pop up they brand as 1 in a million as it's not being publicized or shoved down their throats almost every day of the week. As the saying goes "bad news spread like wildfire" in this case it's bad news in the form of lies cause they spark more of a reaction from the public.
This is how I see it (similar sounding background but in medical engineering) at some point in school or college, or at interview, or development, or even when babies came the talented females were discouraged, intimidated, discriminated, left behind or let a short-term condition turn into a long term career choice by default under pressure from society/husband.
Hep companies realised, around 1990?, that talent was going adrift and started WISE. Combined with enlightened employment practices outside the 'project driven' or essential service sphere, nods to you sir, this has resulted in a new generation of incoming,talented, dedicated, and determined women coming through.
Often because of superior people skills they are ending their careers as top execs. And everyone in the biz is delighted that it is so, not so?
"at some point in school or college, or at interview, or development, or even when babies came the talented females were discouraged, intimidated, discriminated, left behind or let a short-term condition turn into a long term career choice by default under pressure from society/husband. "
Yeah, bullshit. Women are given a free ride in everything. Nobody marginalizes them, the exact opposite is happening. They are being spoiled, and that is what actually turns plenty of women useless. When they get out in real life, suddenly nobody is holding their hands anymore, but the men had to overcome adversity women never faced, so they are better prepped for life.
As a structural engineer who works 50 hours a week and has been studying constantly for the SE exam.... I completely agree with this comment
One's own blood and sweat never lies. People seem to forget that. You put in x amount of blood and tear = you get x amount of rewards.
So much evidence and reason debunking the wage gap myth so many times, yet it persists! What can be done?
Nothing can be done... Feminists want to be victims.. so they will always look for evidence to support that.
thenewkidd Bring down the Leftists who seem to pander to these feminist lobby groups. (psst Obama)
Explain statistics to the statistically disabled. Most of them just parrot the bad news without understanding it. Show them what the statistics really are, what they mean, and why they do not mean what people think it means.
If needed, add logical arguments ("If women were paid less, why would any corporation, being profit-driven, hire any man?").
I would hope most people would become more careful if they find out their statistics were misrepresented. They may also think twice about the sources of that Ms.information.
Of course in the end, some will still demand equal pay for unequal work. At which point all we can do is criticize their demand for unfairness (and often anti-equality), ask whether they'd demand the same if men were on the bad end of the stick (I think the implication is warranted in many cases) and get them to clarify their stance in such terms that any slightly moral person will recognize it's at best unfair, and at worst totalitarian madness.
chrisrus1965, MGTOW...
What does MGTOW have to do with the wage gap?
Totally true! I work as a chemotherapy technician (healthcare) every time something was offered or asked all the women said "no". And many of them are young single women with no kids! At the time.
1st year I was hire I did 50-60 hours a week, 6 days a week for a whole year!
Took on special projects and quality improvements. Many time asking for it.
Kept on doing OT, SP and QI till this day.
2nd year-promoted to -Attending Tech
3rd- Senior Attending.
5th- Lead Tech etc...
Some of the women I work with; thou nice to work with. Could not understand why I was being promoted above them?
I just retired after 33 years in commercial banking as a V.P. with a MBA. Women in my department and other areas of the bank with MBA's with much less time on the job were making about the same salary as I was, in some cases a bit more and some cases a bit less. There was no huge wage gap. This is true I am sure for most, if not all, professions. BTW, men are 51% of the workforce and account for about 80% of job-related deaths and injuries. Dangerous jobs tend to pay more than safer types of employment that women are drawn to. This does not matter to feminist ideologues.
And why dont womens groups ever point to those facts.
When I heard Obama quote this statistic I face palmed so hard, I actually had to go the hospital for a concussion and I now have no feeling in face. Thanks Obama
i spent 29 YEARS as an over worker.
RETIRED at 50.
now have a house with no mortgage AND a gross annual pension of $78,000...🤔
guess what- EVERY FEMALE co worker who did same exact thing as me has that SAME exact pension...🤔
I.e. none of them?
@@thecurrentmoment
ok clown, i can think of abt 25 ladies collecting that same pension off top of my head...
in fact, 2 of my girlfriends from college collect EVEN BIGGER pensions.
gfy
I always look forward to Fact Fem videos. This week's video was great.
Truth.
same
A true feminist like me. Most other feminists are either too dumb or too ignorant. They promote inequality more than equality.
MAN THE HARPOONS
+Fat Kids Lag In Real Life your name though...
The fact nobody seems to mention: where do these people get the idea that men and women live separate lives? In fact, they tend to live together and share resources. As a general rule, the better a man is as a provider, the less likely his wife is to work full time, or at all. In fact, it starts before he even gets the girl, because only as a last resort will a woman marry, or even date, a man who ranks below her socially or financially.
If a man makes less the wife gets mad
Wow, what century are we in!?!
I used to work in an office with 2 other men and 5 women and I can honestly say the women were always coming in late and leaving early and when it was needed to do overtime to reach a deadline, that 999 times out of a 1000 it was men and the 2 other men who would end up staying and doing overtime. 3 of the women weren’t married or had kids so they couldn’t use family and kids not to work extra they just wanted to work as little as possible. I’ve also worked on building sites with women and they just weren’t as fast workers as the men an example is me and my workmate and 2 women were put on the same job of painting the ceilings of 2 bedrooms (double coats) in each house on a black of 12 houses. Well me and my workmate ended up doing 8 out of the 12 and the way we did it was put the first coat on in one house move to the next do that them move back to the first one and it was dry enough to do the second coat. Well the women were doing one coat and because they didn’t want to carry all there equipment next door twice that sat and waited till the first coat was dry enough yet they got the same pay as me and my work mate (well they did for 3 weeks until they were sacked because their work wasn’t up to standard. I can honestly say that if it was men they would of been finnished after a couple of days but the girls got chance after chance to do the work to a good enough standard. I’ve been lucky and found a woman who isn’t frightened of work and doing long hours but my experience is most women I’ve met would rather be stay at home wives than go out to work especially when I’ve done manual jobs. I know their is women who love work there just doesn’t seem to be many where I live in County Durham.
@James Stewart That sounds like a good Job.
I mean honestly I'd love to be a stay at home dad if my girl makes more lmfao. Like honestly I get why so many women want to be stay at home moms etc because it really isn't that hard of a job. I mean sure it might be hard of taking care of a child but if you're good enough of a parent then it will be easier and if you love your child enough it will not seem as hard. You also don't need to clean the house every day for 8 hours so that alone is an easy factor especially that you can do those house chores when ever you want, eat, sleep or take breaks when ever you want and you can also listen to music at the same time. Doing chores with music is so refreshing and it really makes everything easier and better.
If the gap can be explained entirely by factors that are a function of free choice, then why should we try to lower the gap? Why is such a gap a bad thing if its existence is conditional on people being able to make their own informed choice about career path, hours worked, negotiation of salary e.c.t.
because, when it is just a factor of free choice it doesn't really exist. the only kind of gap that exists is one between people who will work huge hours, and those who don't. same kind of as with people who run a marathon vs people who train all the time and run triathalons. it's all just a matter of effort
There will always be dishonest people that will try to take advantage of others. To these people, facts don't matter. If the gap is the fair result of people's choices and habits, then it should exist, yes.
***** In truth, I think there are some good reasons to continue looking into the "causes" of the wage gap. IE: honeybadgerradio.deviantart.com/art/Feminism-and-the-Pay-Gap-Discussion-491358331
There is a question of "how much of the wage gap is caused be social pressure of gender roles"? A study that looked at why men and women choose their major in college found only 2 large differences, men are far more likely to choose a major for a well paid job and women are far more likely to choose a major for a job they will like. This is not surprising because there is a lot more pressure on men then women to be finically successful. Boys are far more likely to be told "major in something that will give you a good job" and girls are far more likely to be told "major in something that will make you happy". But any and everything answer that involves the poor treatment of men and boys is always and will likely always be ignored by feminists.
+QuantumOverlord the remaining gap between men and women is probably due to some work places that do systemically repress women as well as women being culturaly expected to have a child and take unpaid leave for that child which again ties back into systemic suppression of a woman as a company would not want to hire someone they have to keep a job for but also not have any work done. That being said, i still agree with most of the things said in this video and support egalitarianism
I work an 80 hour week most weeks and I don't do it because I want to. I do it because I need to. If you check I am sure you will find most men will say the same. Men don't work harder than women because we find it rewarding. We do it to feed our children because nobody else will. Women do what they want and men save their asses and if they limit overtime they are going to see a lot of children going hungry pretty quickly
WRONG! I find it hard to believe you work that. Sexist! Women work harder because we have to!! Your a rare guy if you work that much. Most do not!! 80% of college guys think they are automatically given the job just for being male. Women produce half the world's food but own only 1 percent of its farmland. Second, the reason why there is a stigma that women are less capable of innovation than men is because our society, as a whole, has cultivated this belief, to the point where even women themselves believe it to be true. For example, according to Hargittai and Shafer of gender and technology studies, “data suggest[s] that overall men and women do not differ significantly in their abilities to find various types of information online. However, we do find that women are much more likely to shortchange themselves when it comes to self-perception of their online skills. The gender effects appear to be significant with respect to self-perceived skill levels,” (444). Research has found that women are just as capable as men when it comes to online skills. This is just one example of where women are just as capable as men, but are dismissed as "less than", which leads to women believing in these stigmas. So women won't do as much then. “Every woman worth her salt knows that we have to work twice as hard as a man to be thought of as half as good.” It is women, single mothers who work harder. I have seen lazy guys all my life. Guys are lazy in school/work and in relationships. I have seen it all my life, my dad tells of all the lazy guys at work who come in late, take long lunches, leave early. Where I work, the women do the work and the guys complain. One is constantly taking a day or two off.
I just posted above. And I'll back Shaun. I work seventy hours a week, plus, and have done so for at least ten years or more. In fact most of the men I work with would seldom work less that sixty hours a week. I happen to enjoy it. Most around me, including a handful of women, have no choice. It's what they need to do to survive.
I do this, while my wife works a four day week and goes to art classes and singing lessons. I do not begrudge her that. Most of the other wives don't work at all. The reason I work like I do is so my family can have the things they need and want. If I didn't work these hours, we'd be living in poverty.
If we want to start swapping anecdotal evidence about lazy people, I,ll bring up all the receptionists I've had who spend all day on Facebook and get nothing done. Additionally 80% of all statistics about college guys are made up by 75% of the 35% who post on line.... where did you pluck this number from, eh?
nofy bn omg lost brain cells reading this
SOHROB bruh WRONG, losing brain cells as a result of absorbing information is impossible
nofy bn I hope this is a joke and if not you really need to fucking learn how to spell use the correct your
Edit: holy shit I’m not kidding you I checked her channel and I think she’s actually serious
Here's another variable in the wage gap that feminists don't talk about.
Does this mean women don't make as much money because life outside work is better for them?
BLS data shows men work fewer hours after a divorce, whereas women work more hours after a divorce (on average, related to average hours for married people). It suggests that when a couple chooses their work/life balance, she gets the leisure time and he gets to stay in the office.
Women still do the majority of household work, including cleaning, shopping and childcare. Women need to sleep sometime.
Linnsey Miller Nil men do more work when all is combined.
Mr. Emma Wray
Wouldn't that depend on what kind of child support and alimony he got stuck with?
Linnsey Miller Nil
I call bullshit. Women don't do housecleaning any more.
As someone who worked in various factories for over 40 years. Each job had a set pay rate. Moving up to the next job was based on your seniority, and wether you were interested enough in the job posting to apply for it. Your gender played no roll in it.
I'd really like feminists to explain why companies aren't taking advantage of this workforce that earns 23% less than men.
I'd bet my eye teeth companies are in business to make profits and being able to increase your profit by 23% seems like a fairly large incentive for companies.
So far the response from feminists has been crickets.
Nice, though I wasn't aware that this was part of the discrepancy, I've always been aware that business drives men to work, work, work--often to the complaint of their spouses.
it would explain why the establishment is trying very hard to push their version of "gender equality". Women workers tend to low ball and negotiate for lower wages but get compensated by non financial incentives like flexy time. Women tend to negotiate less when they ask for a pay rise so if you widen the pool for women average wages will go down
It wouldn't be increasing profit by 23% though, it would be cutting their wage expenses by 23% meaning, yes, a profit for them but unless we knew how much the business made we would be unsure of the percentage of profit.
Feminists are completely ideologically brainwashed in there victim hood status. Critical thinking and modern feminism are mutually exclusive.
How do you know companies don't take advantage of it? Yes, they do! If they hire women, they do!!
Brilliant. People can make careers spreading lies. Then others can help their own career by refuting the lies.
Duh.. that's like mainstream media for decades now
think you missed the point, or made an additional one?
58 hours pays 67.5% higher than a 40 hour work week. It is important to balance life with family, but to mandate lower hours, even to men without families, is ridiculous. Some studies have shown that *productivity* goes down after 35 hours, and paying two people straight time versus one working 58 hours is not necessarily better. Jordan Peterson explains how the square root of the number of employees does *half* the work...and as the company grows, fewer people are truly productive. conversely, more of the employees become dead weight. Leave it up to the boss to decide whom to hire, and how productive they are...NOT the government or lobby groups.
Crysmatic That's because 35 hours barely puts food on the table.
this video series gets me excited almost excited when a new anime comes out. keep up the great videos
As a strait male. I must admit that hearing a women speak such in most of the Factual Feminist videos practically brings me to tears.
I have 50 years in the workplace and women WANT more work life balance! They don't define themselves by their careers like men do. Men see their job as their mission in life, women less so. They choose jobs not on pay but work life balance. Men also climb the ladder and sacrifice work life balance to do so.
So let me get this straight: these feminists have recognized that overwork is not a discriminatory practice, but they *still* have a problem with it because it increases the raw wage gap because more men than women choose to do it? Wow, go home, people; there's nothing to fight here. Jeez.
EDIT: Upon visiting the Stanford page on this issue, I found that it doesn't actually mention the wage gap or discrimination, so I don't think TFF's take on this (nor my original take) is entirely accurate.
However, this Stanford group still takes issue with the fact that if you work less, you get fewer rewards(link below), but they dress it up in the language of unfair cultural norms and bias. This is just sad.
gender.stanford.edu/why-doesnt-work-work
Why would they let up on a very profitable victim-hood status.
Bob bakes 50 loaves, Betty bakes 30. Bob has more loaves than Betty because DISCRIMINATION!!!!
If you're not working more the 60 hours a week, you don't know what you're talking about.
Many people who are overworking don't actually want to. If we took steps to make it optional instead of unofficially requiring people to work evenings and Saturdays, kids would see more of their parents, stress-related health problems would decline and we'd all be a lot happier.
Linnsey Miller Nil how about we let people work the hours they choose? I worked in a place where people did long hours, but I chose not to, and I didn't get promoted. That's how it should be. It would be wrong to shackle the people who wanted to work instead of have time off, just so I could advance at their expense. And it would be wrong to shackle them for the benefit of women too.
Linnsey Miller Nil If women stopped judging men on their income and wealth, this would likely be a much smaller problem, but they are not and will not. It could very well be biologically wired in women to look for men who can materially support them, but we should fight to stop or reduce it.
Great job, Sally - and also glad to have you on our team!
Your attempt to bring reason and logic to the gender pay gap debate is commendable. To say that additional data puts another nail in the coffin of this myth is wishful thinking since, like a zombie, it will always rise from the dead.
While I never believed I was discriminated against for being a woman in any of my early jobs, there was a point where I thought I "deserved" more money. Of course I did. This was in the mid 1980's. So I did some research, and executed the following: I joined the local Toastmasters chapter and learned how to speak in front of people while selling a point of view. Great fun and learned a skill. Next, I started selling Avon. It required a ridiculously low investment, I had fun, improved my selling skill, and within about 2 months was making an extra $400 a month. Game changer! After that, I took a risk, and applied for a position as car salesgirl at a fancy car dealership. Very male-dominated industry at the time. I was welcomed with open arms, was paid the same as the guys, had fun, made more money than I could have ever imagined at that time, and drove a FREE 1987 Renaissance Red Cadillac Sedan Deville as a bonus for good numbers. I never looked back, so to speak. While I changed career choices a couple of times over the years, I never lost my ability to SELL, which was not a natural thing for me until I decided to learn it.........Nowadays, the ability to sell in person is still a challenge, even for sales veterans; but everyone----men, working mothers, and old ladies like me can sell online with varied skill sets. I know a nurse who sells diamond tiaras online for huge profit. I know a housewife with 3 kids who is KILLING in sales of 37 cent vegetable garden clips she did not even invent. I know a potter who sets a pot whilst hanging upside down, using the publicity stunt to sell his product...........Anything goes, as long as there is a plan...........No excuses now! Women can be smart and use these abundantly massive tools to get income. And they do. Will you?
Technically I do earn more than some of my female co-workers, but only because the hourly contracts vary from 15 hours a week to 30 hours a week (I work as an Assistant Housekeeper for the NHS in the UK). That being said, I am one of the few who actively takes overtime when it becomes available.
If an individuals wants to put in more work to see greater rewards (by choice), then i don't see any reason for limiting or preventing this.
Instead of crippling the workplace, gender activists should be focusing on programs to educate or enlighten women on the positives of putting in the extra work.
*****
I agree. This guy is insane. We can't expect women to work the same as their male counterparts if they wish to earn the same. That's SEXISM!
*****
small example women want to have the same prize money (pay) as men in tennis.yet only play best of 3 sets not 5 sets? but thats pay inequality.
*****
thats the feminist way sister...ummm brother...ummm.lol
They do this women aren't applying. Too hard she needs her "beauty rest"
How about people who work at night? I don't live in the US, but doesn't Night hours pay more? I always see more men working at Night.
Kasper Nielsen I believe that may be the case. I'm in the transportation industry in Georgia and there tends to be more men out at night when I go to gas stations or early in the morning.
Yes it does. Working after normal working hours like the graveyard shift or during the weekends and holidays generally pays a lot more. It's usually a male dominated field since women do not prefer it and they cannot be forced to share that workload - only the male employees can be strong armed to do it even if they medically unsuited for it (know this from the call centers - it happened in India during the period I was studying and I saw this everytime).
Women are "too afraid" to work nights because they believe the rape myths they hear about on Facebook, even though statistically they're more likely to be raped by someone they know at home than by some random stranger at night.
But that's okay cause it leaves the better paying jobs for the men who are actually going to get work done and not nap in the back office all night.
And dangerous jobs
I wish I could subscribe ONLY to the Factual Feminist, and not the whole AEI channel. Is that possible?
Thank you so much to all involved in this segment for doing what you do. I was beginning to question my own integrity based on my gender and had begun to look towards groups like MGTOW for validation. After watching this series, I will look to myself for the only validation I need. Keep up the great work, with this sort of education available, I see a great future for feminism and equality.
what a breath of fresh air it is to hear a woman talking common sense about the pay gap, rather than listening to the oestrogen fuelled nonsense of those 'chip-on-the -shoulder' feminists.
for years I either worked two full time jobs or jobs that were overtime due to "shutdowns". A shutdown is when industrial/commercial business had to update certain areas of the building and every minute it was down the business couldn't sustain it's working infrastructure. Their were ads specifically for these jobs which usually required traveling but paid better wages. This lifestyle is generally not pleasant but utilized to overcome hardships and or getting a stable foundation for yourself/family.
I work as an refractory bricklayer. Can You imagine the amount of lost money when You have to do the renovation of furnace and You will have to hold the factory for 2-5 days longer? Those short term contracts are usually pretty intense. We usually work 10-12 hours shifts. Usually 6-7 days a week. Last day is usually longer.
Always a fresh breath of air with your videos.
Kinda wished that your research and findings would have been more aware to most people.
I want to find a job after finishing my uni degree, I just hope there is no backlash when I find a job and people complain if I was chosen over a female job seeker.
Like I always hate it how people make me feel I should sacrifice my own life for their benefit, when in reality a job is earned because of the qualifications and resume and cover letter. Not achieved based on your gender.
"Any time you restrict the freedom of one group to equalize outcomes the cure ends up being worse than the perceived disease". Excellent quote!
A video many friends and acquaintances of mine should watch. A much needed and well made video.
In my line of work, which was highly physically demanding, the work staff was near 50/50 between men and women. On _average_ the women were more likely to arrive late, spend hours chatting instead of working, or to disappear in the break room.
But people aren’t numbers on paper. Not EVERY female worker had this type of behaviour. In fact, our highest grossing worker in the entire company was the _oldest woman_ , who managed to complete 130% of the average daily workload done by the men. She also would regularly bring in delicious home-baked treats.
At the end of the day you can’t boil these issues into sweeping generalizations. It is up to each supervisor to recognize the work, quality, and determination of those under them, and reward them accordingly.
Please, you need to start linking your sources together with the videos.
Some of us like your work and would like to use it in our own discussions, but is not always easy to find the sources you refer to. Like you, we like to think for ourselves and not just buy into *any* narrative.
I recommend this: czcams.com/video/F30lWAiD_3A/video.html#t=33
***** found it. Was having problems with the keywords.
paa2012.princeton.edu/papers/121941
Agree, it would make it very useful and more credible
Thumbed up, hope TFF sees this. Important for credibility, for background checks, and for any other YT'ers/bloggers wanting to post on this, as to get it directly from the source.
Hi, a quick question. Would you possibly be able to cite some links to the studies that you use in your videos in the description. I just think to make it easier for those of us interested in the points raised in your videos to further research the parts of the studies that don't really fit into a 5 minute video and so that we have the exact figures that allow us to be more educated individuals in any argument about gender equality.
Thank you very much!
Thank you very much
I used to work 48-56 hours a week as a supervisor in hotel management and wage was good being a single person it suited me but for some dumb reason my manager try to put 40 hours maximum limit now I am facing problems with less wage and second most important with the work quality of others for two days when I am not there. I have to sort out there left out work and try to match with my schedule so in fact I am doing more work in less wage. I would prefer if someone leave me alone to do my work in my own ability. and if you complain for quality of work of others I get told I am not a team worker.
Dude I am ex Supervisor and Acting Manager for Reservations and Revenue for a 5 Star hotel in Dubai.
I know exactly how you feel.
Ali Saleem No offense but Dubai must give you shit, huh?
SOLUTION: When anyone enters the job market, for any job, they should all start out at the base salary for that position. After that, each and every salary increase should be determined by Merit, accomplishing that specific Job. And, Nothing else!
You know... my aunt works for a prívate company and she claims that her boss is paying her less than other male workers who work less than her. She said that she told that to her boss and the boss says that he is having a money problem, my aunt still claiming that is no excuse. I told her to report that to a lawyer or something but she says that she and her boss are very close friends and she wouldn't do that to him, she want him to reflect his mistake.
I love my aunt, but is very hard for me to take her side if she refuses to report this problem. :(
if Christina H Sommers is based mom, then Sally Satel is based AUNT! Thanks based aunt!
I’ve been working 65+ hour weeks for the past 15 years or so. It’s been great for my career, but there’s one woman in my dept with a chip on her shoulder about the fact that I now have a higher title. I know she thinks it’s discrimination (even though our boss is a woman). She never seems to think about the fact that she basically works 9-to-5. It would frustrate me greatly if we received the same reward and I worked 50%+ harder than her.
"Redesign the workplace to better align the lives of the people who work in them." Yeah, we tried that were we work, now we are forced to rely on even more overtime as less and less shifts become vacant due the needs of employee, which now outweigh the needs of the sick patients that need care. Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm in the health care profession and the 'customer' isn't too happy with the lack of 'service' they now get since people don't like working all possible hours. Some jobs, you just can't give the benefit to the employee who's job is to give up their time to help others.
Why has this been ignored by the media for so many years? It's been obvious all along.
I work for a small company and when there's a crunch or a deadline we work overtime. The strictly regulated schedule of a giant corporation doesn't work for small businesses.
A very well described academic discussion. Thank you for spreading factual information and being a voice of reason. It is much appreciated.
I worked as electrician in many different kinds of jobs, from construction to renovation to maintenance.
Factor in irregular hours, people that work different shifts for the same boss (i worked with a 2-2-2-4- roster) and you might explain away another portion of the 'gap'.
Yes. I'm an over worker. Because I like it. Have been like that since high school, through varsit and in my career of more than 20 years. I thus have more skills, knowledge and experience in a number of fields than people with the the same and even more years of experience. And I get paid better.
What a crime! That makes me sexist, right? No!
My wife, son and daughter benefit from my hard work. My wife is an over worker too. And my children are likely to be as well. We are such terrible people...
b.t.w. My dad was an over worker too...
I worked in a factory that hired women to meet quotas. There were times women could not do the job as well and 1 or more men were asked to assist her. No outcry from women that they should get fired or shouldn't get paid as much. But the company told the men not to make waves.
The people who defined "overwork" obviously never served in the military. 50 hours per week is a vacation in the military.
I put in an 86 hour work week last week. I hesitate to tell female co-workers how much I earn. They're the first out the door at 5 o'clock. Once they find a man with significant earnings, it's only a matter of time before they get pregnant, file for maternity leave, and quit before their leave ends, all the while promising they will come back to work, thereby leaving a vacancy on the team that could've been filled a month prior. I'm not against women wanting to raise a family, but ladies, don't cry "patriarchy" when I see this happening time and again.
0:37 My ocd approves how to edges of the laptops line up as the camera moves, but then sighs in sadness how it gets messed up as the camera moves into final position.
I went to a company that has a job vacancy for logistic executives. I went there to send my resume by hand. I already sent it through emails but I thought if apply on9 and send it by hand. Maybe ill have a better chance. When I arrived there the receptionist says they only want female officers. When I asked her why. She said bcoz men are more suitable to work out of the office, women are more suitable to work in the office. I told her I will complain this to the ministry of human resource if u wouldnt even take my resume and ur company wouldnt even consider me for an interview bcoz of my gender and not my competencies. She called her manager and they took it. I never got an interview and honestly I would never want to work there even if I got offered a job. This is the trend that is slowly growing. Women will justify they r the better office worker and men are not qualified for office jobs. I hope they will still say it wheb their son couldnt get a job.
I've been a Sr. Software Engineer for thirty-five plus years. I can not say that I've worked less than 50 or 55 hours a week over that course of time.
What is funny is I followed my sister's footsteps , yes she is four years older than I am and was entering college while I was entertaining high-school , so when I went off to college in 1980 ... she had a profound influence in me. So I majored in computer science with a minor in electrical engineering. What is also a fact is in my computer science major - about half the students in my studies were female.
When I first entered the work force about half my peers and colleagues were female. That has changed over the decades and I assume the reasons being is many young women are not as interested in the field, while many of the older women who were in the field had families and moved on to something else... typically the women who are still in the field are somewhere around my age.
I can go into this but "time" is finite. Quality time is a part of it all. When someone puts more effort of time into their career they are going to achieve more quality time in it on average, likewise when someone places more time in home life and their family. If I could be - and could have been - two places at one time, I would.
as an aviation mechanic men and women earn the same in our work place.
Make the workplace better for everyone by removing the thing men want to do
BAD-YEP! just close down the sewage water treatment plants and stop maintaining the high voltage power lines!
THAT'LL help make women more comfortable.....
Thanks, you've just convinced me to quit my job. Great video by the way.
Whether you overwork or not, the bottom line is adding VALUE to your employer. It is hard to completely judge this in legal or medical fields, so let's check out a few other places.
The Women's Soccer Team is really popular right now after the World Cup. Their MVP made a smart suggestion to supporters. Buy tickets and come to the games. She should have added for them to buy women's' soccer sports memorabilia as well. How much do we hear about women's soccer, except every four years at the World Cup?
They want equal pay with male soccer players. But soccer teams aren't just sports, they are business to the team owners. The male soccer players bring in billions in terms of ticket sales, and sales of sports memorabilia to the team owners. The owners look at the best athlete's skills of course, but they really look to see which players pull in the ticket buyers and memorabilia buyers. Who brings in most VALUE in terms of actual money to the franchise? They get rewarded with renewed contracts at higher wages. Until women's sports can add that kind of financial value to their team owners, their demand for equal pay may make team owners re-consider offers of renewed contracts.
Same in other businesses. The salesperson who consistently brings in new purchasers of the company's product, while also keeping up with past clients to keep repeat customers, will get promotions/raises, over even employees with more seniority, who only do enough to get by.
I worked 10-12 hours a day or 20 years, made good money, lived frugally, and retired in my 40s. Now I get to do whatever I want. If anyone tried to limit my hours, I wouldn't have been able to achieve as much in such a short time which would have reduced my salary. I'm glad I had to option to work my ass off so I could now be financially free.
3:30 in practice equalizing overtime would work like this: Men would still work longer ours but they would be asked not to log them officially any more. If they would be paid the same as less working people they would instead be considered for promotions. Also Christmas Bonuses are largely driven by contributions, so is this something they want to take away as well? This really reminds me of the centrally planned economy which the USSR favored in the seventies, with known outcomes.
Outstanding job!
This is a lot less condescending than my video on this.. but still very good :)
BRAVA! ... not just focused on the facts, but also presented respectfully and professionally!
Sally you're such a doll!
My sister "feels" she gets paid less than her male co-workers, but most of has to do with the fact she only works 40hrs a week, will go over her vacation & sick day limit, and most of her male do-workers have a college degree (so the company has to pay them slightly more when they enter the company)
*If women earn less companies would hire them preferentialy, they don't* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Here is the relevant sentence in its entirety:
"And we need to redefine what makes a good and successful employee so that performance is no longer measured by how many hours employees put in but *by how effective and efficient employees can be*."
At first, I thought Ms. Satel's interpretation was a straw man since she cut off the final thought. But I can't imagine how doing 50 hours per week is less effective and efficient for the company than someone who does 40 hours per week. If Stanford is claiming that those who work 50 hours per week can actually do their work in only 40 hours (thus making the non-overworkers more efficient than the overworkers), they might have a point. But they'd need evidence to back that up.
I haven't gone over Stanford's points in detail, but it seems like a really hard point to defend.
As an economics analyst, I will make the controversial claim that if all the women in the workplace quit, and took themselves off the job market, unemployment would be erased, and wages would skyrocket. It's simple supply and demand. We've certainly seen the converse happen over the last 40 years, with wages remaining flat, since the labor force effectively doubled during that time.
ted-Jordan Peterson made that same point in a lecture
In the early stages of my career I took every hour of overtime available and as a consequence regularly worked 60+ hours a week. When I was promoted and taken off an hourly rate I regularly worked 80+ hours a week. In due course I ended up owning the company.
Prolonged overwork tends to diminish family relationships and contributes to mental health issues, particularly when it isn't being directly or necessarily compensated. When an overworker is passed up for promotion, watch how quickly they either change their work 'ethic' or become toxic to the environment. With flattened workplace hierarchies, overworkers these days tend to be so simply to be more competitive when layoffs begin. It often doesn't have anything to do with pay.
+ChipArgyle Considering the high mental health issue stats men have, you'd think that businesses wouldn be more diligent to promote less overwork. Too bad a lot of businesses don't give a shit about their employees.
dragonrings14 Bosses will squeeze everything they can get from any given salaried employee. Working 'til 8 PM trying to get ahead? Great! Here's another project you can do. We admire your work ethic. How are the wife and kids?
You can bet the Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos's of the world did not get there working 40 hrs a week. Some men are driven to be workaholics and they will sacrifice everything to be top dog. Not many women will do that. Women are interested in people and men are interested in things. If you are not going to get anywhere working overtime for free then don't do it.
As per your question at the end, I am an overworker, but I am not paid for this extra work. I go well beyond what my job entails, and I am the least paid worker where I work. I work the most hours of anyone, I derive the most results, I am the most technically skilled worker. However, my employer does not wish to pay me what I am worth. Is this a gender issue? No, the company has very few women. The pay issue is caused by me not caring, I believe that reward comes after effort, and everyone else believes in reward first before effort. As a result, I will never ever be paid what I am worth. But, it's worth it, because this mentality is it's own reward, and maybe eventually things will change.
Thank You for your truth and clarity. We need more this.
I was an overworker for years and years. As a teacher, it made no difference to my salary. I did it because I was devoted to the work. I don't think I would have taken kindly to someone who tried to stop me.
Add the fact that more than 90% of the tough/laborious jobs are handled by men. Brick laying, plumbing, OTR truck driving, concrete work, road construction, etc etc that pay well because it is hard to get them since only 1/2 the work force is basically available.
Some times working longer hours means less productivity for each individual hour. For example, if I do a 10.5 hour day instead of 7.5, those additional 3 hours are going to be less productive. In my opinion, very rarely does working long hours equate to more productivity per hour, and most the time is only more productive if they are free hours, or if you got something done you couldn't have without the long hours. In many cases working long hours can be a detriment to your productivity especially if the work is physically demanding.
What I find funny is that I am the only man in a department at my job and the rest are women. Now I have been with the company for 4 years now and have received a raise each year during the review so I am paid a little better than the new girls that were hired. These new girls haven't complained because they understand that policy. However there are women in my department that make more an hour than I do because of longevity and I am making about the same in a paycheck as them simply because I am putting in the OT when it's available. These women although have the common sense to acknowledge that I am working a lot of hours however it shows that my willingness to come in 2 hours early at 4 AM so that i can leave 2 PM when it's time to go and put in a 10 hour day(our company has a policy against 12 hour days as they discouraged them when they can avoid them as they see them to be bad for both production, safety, and health of their employees). Because of this, I am experiencing good paychecks and it's because I am willing to put in the time like a lot of men are willing to do. Sure sometimes I turn down a Saturday when I have something else going on but I will volunteer to work Saturday when I can because I'm motivated by the paycheck and in a lot of ways, I think that's why my job likes me.
and also by the way, in germany a couple of studies have shown that the average fulltime worker spend 1 and a half hours of their workday without doing anything work related, while parttime workers are more effective and productive in less time. but people - man married or divorced especially- can't afford to work parttime. -so "judging performance less on amounts of time" actually makes sence, at least on the far away planet in a nother galaxy germany...and actually man would profit from that, might even increase their live expectancy .
Hey can i have links to these studies.
Always hard work pays better. This is common sense
I am an "over worker" and on average earn about 20% more than my male counter parts in bonuses. Outside of bonuses we all get equal pay, there are no secrets, our pay is based on performance: want to earn X, than produce sales of level Y. The bonuses are for those who put in more.
I run my own commercial interior design firm. I put in close to 70 hours a week, consistently. And have done for the past ten years. I enjoy the challenge, working with the clients and the end result gives me great satisfaction. I don't want to work less. It's what I love doing.
Most companies have Human Resource individuals who review pay practices to ensure there’s no discrimination based on sex, race, or other criteria. However, some women seem to believe that all people with the same title should be paid the same amount.
If everyone in the same job category was ranked (without identifying gender and race characteristics) using the criteria that determines the salary level for that job, it’s likely that women would rank lower because of their feminine characteristics. For example, female
doctors may spend more time with their patients because they are more caring and nurturing that the average male doctor. However, more patients mean higher revenue and therefore, a higher salary than their female counterpart. Using this same evaluation technique for any profession will produce the same results. However, some naive women will select a generic job description (e.g. manager, soccer player, etc.), and claim that everyone in that category (male or female) should be paid the same amount without any regard to the criteria that exists to justify pay level (e.g. revenue generated, cost reduction, innovation, etc.). People who express the “pay inequity” issue between men and women don’t want to understand the underlying causes.
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Worse yet, if you go to divorce court, the judge tells you that it is the man's duty to pay, but for women, it is their choice. I have a stay at home wife, and if my child needs braces and I have to work more, well, I just have to work more. She could chose to work part time, while the child is in school, but choses not to. That's patriarchy...I guess. Somehow patriarchy sounded much cooler than that.
I am an over-worker. I'm a single man with no children, so no one is waiting for my arrival at home, and no one is dependent on me.
I'm a temp where I work and I earn a LOT more than my peers (many are women). They have the same qualifications and experience as me, you could argue that some are actually more qualified... but I still earn a lot more each month. Why?
They work 20 hours per work and then they are 'done', whereas I work as many hours as I can, 30-40, including weekends (our hourly rate, however, is the same).
This is the reality that 'activists' seem to ignore - studies are showing that men are willing to work harder/longer. If I had to provide for a kid, I'd work 7 days if it was necessary.
But no, let's just look at the overrarching statistic and blame sexism and discrimination for such differences.
I'd like to know what the heck the two workers are doing at 4:05! It's like they're painting on a chalkboard in a science lab. What's going on?? (I obviously don't have a degree in painting in science labs!) :P
I am no expert, but to me it looks like they are doing art restoration.
Morgan Kane You made me watch that part again and I see it now. At first I thought they were at a chalkboard but looking closely I can see the figures now. So yes it looks like art restoration.
Red Devil I thought they were studying and or renovating artwork
Since we have more women in medicine, psychology and education and equality is the only thing that seems to matter - do the same people encourage women to step back in the professions they already dominate? Or is it only men that have to step back?
I used to work in a Bank and my manager was, you guessed it, a woman. She used to earn 3x what I earned and got 5x or more annual bonus than I did despite my doing all the hard work. She had me fired for Insurbodination i.e. not kissing her a**. She omitted to communicate with my customers that I was no longer with the bank and had to send a global sms to all of them. After I left, business suffered and her payrise and bonuses stopped and finally she was transferred from the station on basis of not meeting performance targets.
A very brief yet informative explanation, and rebuttal, against false feminists claims of the so-called pay gap. Feminist and gender studies are undemanding, so when placed in a workplace such women and men cannot do hard work, b=nor want to, indeed are not equipped to deal with source material and mastering the work. Longer hours are financially rewarding especially early in life and when supporting a family. Later in life people should ease up on their work load and enjoy life more, but if they are driven let them work on as they wish.
To get paid more than the $1 over minimum wage my workplace traditionally offers I had to agree to a fixed schedule with no overtime or holiday work.
My fiance, who is paid twice as much in her unionized job, frequently maxes out hours to the point that she would face penalties if she worked any more. As they have a strict upper limit to hours allowed so no one is getting paid too much.
Gender doesn't matter in business. All that does is working as much as you can for as little pay as possible.
I hadn't known the term overwork existed, though apparently I fit into the category. My normal work weeks run 60+ hours and the overtime has hit 100+ at times. I'll confess, I hate anything past 80/week, but 60's really not that bad after you get used to it, especially if you're doing something you enjoy.
I'm not exactly certain on this being "new" information, though. Warrren Farrel's book, Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap -- and What Women Can Do About It, kind of already covered longer working hours... a decade ago? Crap. Now I feel old =P
The fact is though, that you have to ask yourself: who do you pay more per hour, excluding overtime? The person who works 60 hours or the one who works 30 hours? Here's a hint - the person who works 30 hours makes less per hour simply because you reward people who work harder or work crappy jobs.
The 77 cents statistic is useless anyway. The study that did it, in that very study, flat out said that it was 99 cents on the dollar when you included these variables. It also compared groups that forced this kind of disparity, such as where it equated maids to garbagemen.
Surprise, surprise, the maid works indoors, in a comfortable, fairly clean and safe environment, with short hours during the standard working hours of the day when people are at work.
The garbageman gets up before dawn, has to work outside in the cold or heat, risks getting hit by cars (exceedingly high workplace death rate of garbagemen) or pricking themselves on thrown out hypodermic needles, have longer than 8 hour shifts most of the time, and often work unsociable times of day.
Now, with all that in mind, who would you pay more?
Almost all garbagemen are men (hence why I refuse to call them garbagepersons =P ) to the tune of about a 97% male workforce. Almost all maids are women, with a similar ratio. Because they both involved "cleaning", the two were compared because there weren't enough garbagewomen and there weren't enough male maids.
There are simply going to be jobs that suck. Jobs with high risk, long hours, require moving or staying away from home for weeks at a time. Jobs that have horrible commutes, jobs with high stress levels, jobs with many negative aspects to them, and we need people to work those jobs. How do you get someone to work a job that's needed but unwanted? You pay more. Men are more willing to "man up" and take a job they don't like but which pays more. Women are vastly more likely to take easier jobs with lots of benefits instead of raw pay.
Trying to make all jobs equally paying will just mean no one will be willing to take out your garbage anymore.
Yes there are differences between what men and women look for in a job. The question I have to ask, is why is this a bad thing? I don't want to collect garbage for a living, and I'm glad there's men who will in my stead. I see nothing wrong with giving them a bonus for doing what I'm not willing to do myself. I really don't see the problem here.
In Pharmacy, especially in retail, most times I found they paid the women more because they brought in more customers (perceived more friendly?) -- not sure. I was hired to work an 84 hour week 12 hours a night, for 7 night on, 7 nights off. I made more than anyone else in the pharmacy including the manager because he didn't get overtime. Was it worth it to me ? Hell no. It is now 10 years later and my sleep cycle is still messed up
I've yet to meet a woman who earns less than me for the same job. I have met women who have earned more and for very distinct reasons. Years served being a key one.
"Is overwork a problem?"
Well, put it this way. If your life were in danger, would you want to be treated by a doctor who had already just worked ten of their seventh twelve hour shift in a row?
They want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Never been in a company where almost all the women were out of the door at 5:01 pm.