Game Theory: Who is Mega Man's TRUE Villain?
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Mega Man, clearly a cut-and-dry story of good vs. evil...or is it? This story of super fighting robots actually serves as a dire warning for us and our futures. I fact, the Mega Man series may not be as black and white as you think.
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Matpat in 2013:Willy is innocent
Matpat in 2020:Willy is responsible for the extinction of humanity
well i mean it's STILL Dr. Light's fault
@@monst3r_child832 dr light brang the dark
Dr. Not dr
@@monst3r_child832 hell no it isn’t, it isn’t lights fault that wily is such a sociopath that he made an evolving robot virus that would impact the earth hundreds of years later 💀💀
But hey, it's a theory!
"Who is Mega Man's TRUE Villain?"
Capcom
icerink239 agreed. Capcom has treated Mega Man worse than Wily ever could. Prime example Marvel vs Capcom 3
True
+4b50lut3 Z3r0 (magnus) idk why MvC 3 is bad?
+4b50lut3 Z3r0 (magnus) idk why MvC 3 is bad?
stickman97 It's not "bad."
Mega Man just wasn't included in the roster, which doesn't make sense.
I believe it has something to do with Mega Man being featured in Smash Bros. instead.
As a german I am offended!
That is a sausage not a Wiener Schnitzel!
I’m part german
It's me sausage....
Sorry just had to 😂
Offended too, first, why do we get reduced to a certain region . . . And as the name says Wiener Schnitzel is not even german! Counting austria as part of germany is sooo 1933
German too i Feel ya m8
Nein
Anyone else here from his mega man video from like 30 minutes ago? Lol
Doozideer ! Yes I am
Yes
yep
Yes
Yeah
"I am more than a robot"
Door opens, "My name is Connor. My mission is to deter all deviants, and I always complete my mission."
nice
"I'm Connor, sent from Cyber life"
YES!!!
𝙼𝚢 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝙲𝚘𝚗𝚗𝚘𝚛, 𝚒𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚛𝚒𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚋𝚢 𝚌𝚢𝚋𝚎𝚛 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎
MatPat: *In later episode* WILY KILLED HUMANITY!
MatPat: *here* Wily is innocent!
Direct contradiction and thats why i was here. Finding ammunition
@@mgilbert9004
Dude. I was just makin a joke.
@@techpriestmars6731 the nature of my comment, it's not insinuating a serious tone.
I did notice it but im not trying to tear down the channels credibility; Relax.
Gotta look from different perspectives as is the channel's purpose ;)
@@estherharlequin2063 agreed
Actually, did you know that the "DIE WILY!" Dialogue is only in th U.S. version of Mega Man 7? In the original Japanese version, that text is actually just supposed to be "........"
It's supposed to be Rock questioning himself. He's basically asking himself "could i really do it? If i could? Should i do it...?"
But of course here in the U.S. it had to be cool and edgy, so it was changed to "DIE WILY!"
The original scene was much more meaningful. I wish they kept it.
1- America, cuz It's always cool and edgy
2-Of course, again, MatPat didn't fetch far enough
@@neroctopusmess3198 then again, this is one of his older videos, he's gotten better over time
@@flameslinger8820 EEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeh...Not sure about that, when you use a novel from a different cannon into your theory (fnaf theory) and that you see "some parts might be cannon" without bringing any solid evidences, I don't think I can call this a HUGE improvement, but yeah, at least he is searching further.
@@neroctopusmess3198 well... Fnaf was fucked up from the beginning tbh. It has a reputation for taking unexpected twists and turn that seem quite unagreeable. Matt's just a trooper for trying to look at it from Scott's suggested perspective ^^
Personally tho, i have given up on the fnaf theories tho. I much prefer his Minecraft ones. Tho with this nether update coming later, he's probably waiting on hos Pigmen theory
"Robots can't harm humans!"
FNaF: LeT Us iNtRoDuCe oUrSeLvEs
Some guy : ,,Cartoon cat , killin people stop doing that"
Henry : My goodness, what an idea why didnt i think of that.
They are animatronic's possessed by the spirits of children (or fuelled by anguish.. I think..) so technically not robots
Bite of 87
Hollie yeah thought I was wrong about that, thank you
There Animatronics Not Robots
that scene in MM7 was added only to the NA version in order to make Mega Man seem more edgy
Cool. Thx for the fact.
But. . . . why?
He’s such a lawbreaker, an Asimov lawbreaker.
PFFTTT
Violet Foronjy ill be here all night
The Japanese version of Mega Man 7 has Mega Man stop charging his buster after Wily reminds him that he cannot harm humans; which effects this theory significantly, as it suggests Mega Man's immunity to the three laws of Robotics was added in the English version. The stuff with the Mega Man 9 robots still applies, however, but keep in mind that Dr. Wily also modifies them to better suit his needs. The Mega Man X series establishes that the first completely autonomous robot was Mega Man X, establishing that all previous robots at least had some limitation on their autonomy, like the Three Laws (this is why Proto Man is not considered a Reploid like the robots in Mega Man X are).
I think the more free will developing for mega man holds up even with that. He's shown gradual changes unlike other robots towards free will, if he had to stick to the three rules he would have never threatened in the first place. Being reminded stopping him still shows some sort of conscience and conflict. It really fits with his gradual growing "soul" and possible origin of X in him. X has been conflicted many times with his will, but thats something else. 8 also pokes at it during the ending, as things couldn't affect him if he lacked some sort of free will.
Personally I think his true free will came about after 8. Dr light had many chances to use data from Duo, not to mention Duo's power used on megaman. 8 also kinda shows the possible origin of the zero virus but the games never go into TOO much story detail, so its mostly a theory. A GAME THEORY OH NO!
Also: Megaman killing wily DOES NOT interfere with the laws of robotics. Theres is a 0th law: A robot may not harm humanity, or through inaction allow humanity to come to harm. Wily, although human, was a danger to humanity, and if Megaman didn't apprehend or in this case, kill Wily, that would be in violation of the 0th law.
In a nutshell, "I'm more than a Robot. Die Wily" is not cannon.
Actually they made him go through a feedback loop on the first and third law. Which actually makes the classic robots more tragic.
LavaringX TU MUCHH GOOGLE TRANSLATEE
This part of megaman saying he is more then a robot is changed on the original he stops once willy mentions the laws of robotics
Ok so, mega man comics. Please. For my sanity, please know that cut man was built for forest management.
The Hollow Knight: (me fixing game theory’s theory) fire man was built to break down waste, and bomb man was built to demolish buildings. Not to mention at the convention where dr Lalilind (butchered it) and light argued and the emerald spears attacked, elec man was unable to attack the terrorists until they harmed the civilians. My point, that the robots follow the law of robotics, and what game theory said completely back fired on himself.
@@lunarman16 But that doesn't follow the 1st law of robotics. It says that a robot may not injure a human being or, through INACTION, allow a human being to come to harm. Their inaction would have violated the 1st law. So they may not have the laws programed in
Catman-du who’s inaction? Mega man couldn’t do anything but get the civilians to safety. But when one of the emerald spears used the bombs , they were allowed to stop them by force.
Lunarman Animations and technically it wasnt even by force. It was more of misleading and trapping them
@@lunarman16 Aren't the Archie Comics non-canon?
There's few small flaws in your theory, Matt.
1. Dr. Wily is hardly an idiot when it comes to robotics. You make it sound like all he can do is sit back and beg robots to pretty please join him. If that were the case the stages and his fortresses would be empty, and he'd come at you on a bicycle.
2. You made it sound like Dr. Light made all the robot Masters. He only made the first and ninth Batch of Robot Masters himself. Has I recall, the second, fifth and Seventh batches were all made from the ground up by Wily. The third was made by Light and Wily together. The fourth batch was made by Dr. Cossack. The sixth were made by robotic engineers from all over the world and entered in a global competition. The eighth also came from all sorts of different places, such as Clown Man's being an old amusement park attraction, though I don't believe their creators are ever credited none of them were Thomas Light, I'm pretty such.
3. LIGHT'S ROBOT'S CAN'T KILL PEOPLE.
Dr. Wily reprograms them and erases the program that prevents them from doing so. Yes this includes Mega Man. That's probably why he's talking so slow he's, trying to go against his programing, and probably wouldn't have been able to. Remember that scene in Robocop, when he tries to kill Dick Jones? Yeah he was a real prick too. But Robocop could not break his programing, and that dude had a Human Brain! It was like that. Mega can point the Buster and threaten. But that's about it. As advance as Mega Man's A.I. was, able to make some choices for himself he was still a slave to his programing.
That's what makes X so special. Dr. Light wanted him to be a real person, he wanted a son. So he made something more than a robot, something with complete free will, capable of random thoughts and actions, true autonomy. An absolute variable, hence the name "X". And though he did it begrudgingly, that included the ability to kill people. He knew he had to have that choice for his actions and decisions to have any meaning.
If what you're saying is true, then X's existence is pointless because Dr. Light's been pumping these out since day one.
Don't forget that Wily also created Bass, King, and Zero. Three some of the most powerful robots of their respected eras. I strongly do not believe MatPat played MegaMan. All of his information is wrong.
Dr. Light did not let ProtoMan walk away. ProtoMan refused to allow Light to repair him and ran away. Light actually looked for him and believed he was dead. Protoman still refuses to be fixed............
Why does this video have so many likes with all of this false info?
Awesome Card Games
Because Matt impresses people with deep philosophies, scientific theorems and internet memes...
Not saying he doesn't pour a lot of thought and work into these videos. Or that they can't be interesting, funny, entertaining, or thought provoking, heck they usually are. But damn, Dude. Stop trying to shove square shaped theories into circle shaped games, just because they're nostalgic, and you're trying to blow our minds.
Megaman might not be able to kill humans, but he is able to kill them if they are actually ALIENS! Yeah, it was still a robot, but he didn't know that at the time.
***** Talk about kissing someone's butt. You're lying just like Mat. He did not prove that he played MegaMan. He did the opposite by providing incorrect information throughout the entire video. I have played every MegaMan game from every series. Any fan like myself knows Mat is a liar because his information is just so wrong.
Dr. Light did not let ProtoMan run away. ProtoMan does not want to be fixed, and ran away on his own freewill.
Everything makes perfect sense? You're full of it. Providing FALSE information is NOT perfect sense.
@@AwesomeCardGames Even if I didn't play every game, I know the Classic Series lore.
Looks like Dr. Light took Roboethics too... LIGHT-ly.
*facepalm
Never fails... lol
That wasn't a very.. bright decision.
YEAAAAAHHHHHHH
+The Unleashed (Vaderzlk11) piemations reference my man
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Matpat now: *has over 12 million subscribers on game theory and 7 million on film theory*
How much they have grown, eh
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Mega Man X SSBU how are you not ded
looking at the first robot rule
Me: well there goes fnaf
The FNaF robots were haunted, of course they would be able to break the first law.
@@ari-mariberry yea
The FNAF robots were made to kidnap children almost from the very beginning. I highly doubt there is a single line of coding in their systems that gives any consideration to any of the three laws.
There is nothing obligating any roboticist to make their robots adhere to Asimov's BS.
@@ari-mariberry wrong
You know it's a good #GameTheory when people are debating your research, ethics, science fiction, religion, AND which game is the best :)
Which #Megaman is YOUR favorite? My choice is 5...Gravity Man FTW!
Mega Man 2, 6, and 9.
2 and 6
stupid school wont let me watch this video i have to wait 3 more hours till i can see it stupid school
KIDISASTA HAL
I've been seeing a lot of love for 6...I'm surprised!
JJ Olson
I feel ya.
I do miss Ronnie's editing... And "Digressing and Sidequesting" too... RIP Ronnie.
aaaa why'd you have to bring that up
Can't wait for the next one where you talk about him actually winning at the end
AYS he has
Dr. Willy winning?
If I remembered correctly, the robots were not created with weapons.
They had tools, but are later modified by Wily and turned into weapon grade arsenals. Almost all of the robots were industrial robots, except for Rock, Roll, and Zero. The fact that Wily mentioned that robots cannot harm humans, it means Light must have already had safety protocols similar to Asimov's laws in those other robots, except for Megaman who were meant to be as human as possible.
Megaman's statement is actually an assertion of his ability to be able to judge what is right and wrong. Meaning he is not a slave to humanity, but as equals.
BTW Asimov's laws are not air tight because a robot cannot judge what is considered harm or injury without very specific parameter. In fact the first law is the problem, because while it prevents a robot rebellion, it will make the robot non-functional quite often, which will be explained below.
Okay, let's say I am in a mall with a gun pointed at my head by a lunatic who is about to shoot me. The first law dictates that the robots in the vicinity must help me, but the first law also stated that harming the guy holding a gun to my head is not allowed.
Now a normal person with freewill will assess the situation and make a decision. Which decision or whether it is a good decision or not, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that a person with freewill can look at the other decision and say "screw it". However, a robot cannot do such things because it has no freewill due to Asimov's law.
Lastly, the example about the autonomous turret. Is that suppose to be horrifying because the turret has freewill, or is it horrifying that it has the ability to kill without human pulling the trigger? Yet, the turret have no freewill and is following programming set by humans, essentially an obedient slave. Freewill is not the issue with that turret, it is how horrifying human beings can be when we act in fear that is the problem. The turret is only doing what we told it to do, and we did not give it freewill to question the orders.
Freewill can be good or bad, and if we deem robots as loyal servants, then we first must question ourselves because we are the ones with the freewill to do so, not the robots.
***** Because is CZcams, so i can't tell if you're being sarcastica or not
You're forgetting what I call "Asimov's Loophole": killing the few villains to protect the many innocents. I Robot had this loophole as the major plot point, resulting in the AI gone awry being able to justify EVERY SINGLE ACTION on the Three Laws, without any error in logic!
I was about to say this, glad someone was ahead of me
DarkAngelEU
thank goodness for paradoxes :D yay robots exploding heads :D
Not only that is an option, as there's also the consideration of there ever being an equivalent to Asimov in the Megaman World. Supposing Light is really a brilliant mind on a breakthrough, he could've come years before there was even someone to theorise robot ethics.
why would no one theorise robot ethics if there are robots? We analyze EVERYTHING that comes into existence
DarkAngelEU we don't really know the time spam of the series. But I'm guessing, surely, at most a couple of years later, they sure would come up with ethics after the incidents
Anybody else Here Watching This After Learning That Wily Killed All The Humans?
Me
Yep
Yep
yes
yes
Who's here from the wily wins one?
BucketofJava me
Me
most people, i watched this before though, many many, years ago
Oh, i get it, instead of the "who's here in 2020?!" It instead is "did you guys see the new video about a video related to this?"...
@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 well it's better than who's here from -insert year- 2020
Mega man's true villain is CAPCOM
true dat
sedna's soldier Oh my god, there is a translate option beneath your text, and it translates it to 'true that'
Google now translates ebonics!
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Cutman: Lumber cutting robot
Fireman: Incinerator robot
Bombman: land excavation robot
Protoman: Willing to help anyone.
Megaman: Saves the world 11 (12) times.
Roll: Not Weaponised
MM Death Count: 0
Mega Man saved the world more than 12 times.
Guts Man exploded in Mega Man 7
Mega man X has millions of people massacred bysigma
@@TheRegularHedgehog575 no he’s talking about the robot not series
@@dagloop6949 well he exploded. Not fully killed by megaman
The time has come to discuss Dr.Light's out of control pottery experiments, the real evil of 20XX
1:24 Here's a German sentence: Aua Das tut weh. (Ouch that hurt)
All i knew was das aua and tut but knew what it meant
One huge flaw: Light never ignored the law. The only reason Protoman can think for himself is due to an error in his system (same reason he ran away too.)
Megaman 1's robot masters were built to obay humans and were made as utility robots and had their weapons (And likely robot ethics) modified by Dr. Wily for evil, they originally did nothing dangerous at all.
The scene where Megaman decides to kill Wily actually is covered under Asimov's laws, because there's an unwritten "zeroth" law, which supersedes all the others. "A robot may not harm HUMANITY, or through inaction allow HUMANITY to come to harm." If by killing one man a robot saves many lives, then the robot is not just ALLOWED to do so, it MUST do so. This is a dilemma Asimov himself addressed. So, it's actually possible that Megaman was following the laws of robotics. By killing Wily Megaman could save countless lives, so under the zeroth law he actually is required to kill the man. He's just following his programming.
And besides, that scene in the American version is non-canon.
Yup everything checks out.
I think the “Wily is innocent!” in the image was always intended to just be clickbait. What Matpat is saying is Dr. Light is the one to blame for Wily’s rise to power.
Which isn't even true in the first place
Matpat was not kidding this one is OLD
i love that in the background that when matpat says "is it really his fault?"
the cutscene says "of course."
*Turns to doctor Light*
Good work, man. *Claps hands slowly* Good work.
XD
i like btd 5 too :D
Exactly
"Hey! I think I'd better give robots free will and weapons of mass destruction without any fail safe! Sounds sensible." -Dr. Light
1. MM7's "more than a robot" line is a wrong translation
2. The robot masters kept the "hurt no humans" thing, aswell as being made for industrial purposes. Wily removed it for his plans and made them weapons.
oof that og intro hit hard. its been a long time
Oh my Goodness he missed Megaman and Bass so there are 12 games when this was posted
Someone didn't pay attention to the laws of roboethics when creating Aperture Laboratories...
And that someone was Cave Johnson
Though, it's somewhat debatable whether the same rules apply to brain uploading, yes, Aperture failed hard.
Mr. Kirby that actually has nothing to do with roboethics, "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
try uploading a human mind into a computer with as much power as Glados without corrupting them, you will fail miserably
Let's not forget that the president of such a company is Cave Trumpson over here...
Ethanotor Oculus i see what you're tryin' to do, but (personally) it just isn't funny (at all... sorry)
On the japanese version, he only stays in silence: (..........) after Wily says that robots cannot harm humans.
and so his entire argument falls apart
Then this video is just about an alternative universe in which he would be right.
THE SEVEN YEAR DIFFERENCE OH MY GOD
Pls guys don't say Omg 😔
FNAF: looks at the first rule of robots
FNAF: mega man robot rules stink…ha suckers
Don't be so rude 😡
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1:15
What about Medic from Team Fortress 2, he clearly isn't drinking bear, he isn't eating prezel's nor weiners.
He also isn't nazi, if he was, he wouldn't heal Demoman...
Hello brother.I don't understand that last part in your comment why woulden't medic heal demo if he was a nazi?
Erik Strindberg Nazis are racist, Demoman is black. Although the most targeted group by the Nazis were the Jews others were targeted as well.
I think the medic is an exception to every rule...
supaPILLOT And he's from Britain
Only Saxton Hale drinks bear.
The true enemy is... CAPCOM!!
it's crapcom
***** yo stupid
The true enemy is...JOHN CENA!!!!!!
+Øystein Stautland Nordtømme right on
I disagree
Game theorist : Dr. Wily is a good guy!
*7 years later*
Game theorist : Dr Wily killed all humans
Reploid REVO: What Do You Mean Wily Is Innocent?!
MatPat: Uh, I Can Explain...
Do you know why Dr. Light made X? He did it to have complete free will on his actions, not before putting him in a 30 years A.I. Test to assure he didn't have homicide thoughts to the human race. All this happening in the end of the Classic Megaman timeline
Patricio Oses i
Patricio Oses and how wily made x as a Killing machine
I is
Patricio Oses &
Then i realize making self aware AI are fate worst than death.
DR light are lunatics
Yeah but that doesn't make Dr. Wily innocent, that just makes Dr. Light equally guilty.
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SCP 173 The sclupture well robots that are family members don’t like megaman bass ect.
It's still not Lights fault. His robots Do follow the laws of robotics but Wily _reprogrammed_ them.
It would only make sense for him remove the laws if he wanted to use them as weapons.
2:17 you should've checked the Japanese version of the game
Just want to point out that the Super aEgis ii requires human confirmation and warns before firing
There is a really good video about Megaman released from Capcom called the Day of Sigma which shows the implementation and development of Megaman.
Yeah Protoman just escaping was pretty damn funny. Ehh F@#$ it, I'll jusst build more LOL.
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ProtoMario but he didn't just build more he wasn't going to build anymore but wily edged him on to continue their dream also protoman didn't just leave there was a lot more to blues leaving
Megaman's true villain is capcom
Hmm, they did create the MegaMan games ERGO they created all of the continuous conflict in the Mega Man series ERGO they are the true villains for making these games where robots in that universe terrorize humans.
But wait, they recently are not making the games ERGO dissolving all the problems that have and will happen ERGO helping Mega Man in his quest for peace with the lack of robot attacks ERGO making them the good guys for putting an end to the cycle of destruction Mega Man has to prevent daily.
And then the fans complain to Capcom about not making a new Mega Man game ERGO wanting another robot rampage to occur in the world of Mega Man ERGO not helping in the robot's cause for maintaining peace and happiness ERGO making them the bad guys for wanting more chaos for their entertainment value.
Hmm, I don't know man; it's seems like us MM fans are the true villains here while Capcom are trying to atone for their deeds of putting Mega Man through endless cycle of violence in his games.
BigK13372 are you being serious or you just kidding around
Kind of both really.
In terms of true villains and your joke about Capcom; the irony was not lost on me that while the fans really love the character, we also demand another game where Megaman has to risk his life to end yet another robot rampage that created untold amounts property damage, injuries and deaths in order to maintain a momentary peace only for the next game to repeat the same thing.
It's like Last Action Hero: it is cool to see Jack Ryan go on these awesome adventures and kick some ass, until you realize he never really enjoys them due to how much it ruins his personal life.
BigK13372 you make a valid point but in terms of reality i am being serious about capcom being megaman's true villan mainly how they us false hopes of a new megaman game as well as make him look retarted in sfxtk
shots fired
Asimov's law:*exists*
The robots (animatronics in fnaf): I pretend I didn't see that
5:57 look at cut man the little angry thing
OBJECTION!
Game Theory, I realize this is merely an entertaining video, but your basis of information is the anomaly that is the English ending of Megaman 7 that most fans don't consider canon because Megaman acts out of character, and it also is different from the original Japanese ending.
Before 7's ending and after it, it's repeatedly stated that Megaman is a pacifist FORCED to fight, and yes, clearly bound by the rules of robotics if you look at all the actions he did in every other Megaman classic title.
Megaman only wanted to kill Wily in the English version of the game - something added by Capcom USA, not the original creators.
In the original Japanese version, he merely threatens Wily, and then when Dr. Wily reminds him that robots cannot harm humans, he lowers his buster and stands down, rather than saying that he's "more than a robot", like in the English version.
It's sort of ridiculous to count edits made by a localization team as canon, especially when the original creators never agreed to the changes. Keiji Inafune has stated he was personally displeased with the ending of 7, and even the original threat against Wily was not his doing.
I agree with this comment, however you missed the perfect chance to yell out OBJECTION!!!
I'm guessing that's true, 'cause I don't wanna play Scooby-Doo and scour the internet for the truth about Mega Mans. But I have to say, I really like Capcom USA's ending. It puts and interesting and dark spin on a character that everybody knows as a cookie-cutter good guy. And raises interesting questions, allowing for fun theories like the one in this video. And who says the Japanese way is the right way, anyhow? All of the Mega Man games and cartoons he referenced in the video were American/English adaptations. Maybe he wasn't talking about the Japanese Mega Man. Maybe Rockman and Mega Man are two wholly different ideas because of this. Woah. I was about to divide by zero there. Sorry.
Cameron McClain OBJECTION!!! you're basis of information is the anomaly that is the English ending of Megaman 7 that most fans don't consider canon because Megaman acts out of character, and it also is different from the original Japanese ending. (fixed :D)
According to the wiki, the Japanese ending did make mention of the rules of robotics, so we've at least established their existence. So that's that.
Also, (although not as clear-cut as the 7 English ending) Protoman broke rule 3 by escaping, as he disregarded his creator's will to repair him in order to "survive" (as he believed). And at the same time, Megaman volunteers to a course of action that would weaponize him, which to me seems like a breach of rule 1.
What I'm getting at is this: Although the (non-cannon) ending of 7 made a very clear case of the rules being established and disregarded, there's arguably proof in the cannon that the rules exist, and at least Proto and Mega can bend them.
Besides, the company's objection was how lousily the character was represented, no breach of cannon ;)
Xhosant rule 1 of Infomation Dont Trust WIki's
Fun video, and an interesting little hypothesis. However, there are some problems with it:
1: Dr Light did NOT create all the Robot Masters in each game. Dr Wily created the ones in Mega Man 2, 5, 7, and 8, Dr Cossack created the ones in 4, and several scientists were the creators of the robots in Mega Man 6. Since so many of these robots were made by other people, you can't say that it was all Dr Light's fault that they went on a rampage. And keep in mind, Wily created many of these himself, making him share even more of the responsibility.
2: It is heavily suggested by the overall plot that the type of autonomy Mega Man possesses is unique to him. Notice in the very scene that you use to prove your argument, Wily is shocked that Mega Man is able to decide for himself to blast him.. and this is in Mega Man 7, meaning that a whole lot of time has passed with Wily and Light messing around with robotics. If autonomy was something that all these robots had, why then is Wily surprised that Mega Man was able to make the decision he made? Even more, consider also that the ones in Mega Man 9 were going to accept their fates, and only went with Wily because he promised to fix them so they could keep on doing their intended purposes (by the way, note that many of these Masters are actually re-purposed utility/worker robots, only sticking with the jobs assigned and programed to them. What's more, the decision making abilities they have were specific to their job set and for commanding other less advanced robots for the projects they were made for - Guts Man, a construction robot, commanding a bunch of less advanced construction bots such as the mets - ; that's why they are called Robot Masters, actually. If they had the full autonomy Mega Man has, couldn't they have decided to do some other work, or be able to go against their programing?). They did NOT chose to go on a rampage, that only happened after he reprogrammed them. So if the autonomy that Mega Man possesses is unique to him, or at the very least is something that only a few of the robots have (such as Proto Man, Roll, and Bass), then that pretty much deflates the argument that all these rampages are Dr Light's fault because of all these robots having autonomy.
Another point, though it's not really theory busting: Dr Light didn't actually just let Proto Man run off and not care about pursuing him. When Proto Man escaped, he was considered destroyed, thus there was no attempt to get him back. Dr wily later found and repaired him; that's how he was able to figure out how to reprogram the robots Dr Light made.
So yeah, nice hypothesis, but it doesn't really hold up when one recalls the overall plot of the games. Still was a fun video though, and I like the other Game Theorists videos, so no biggie. :p
none of his theories ever hold up, i don't get why people watch this garbage, and before people point out the obvious, yes I'm watching this because it's my first time watching his videos, but this is the third video i've watched and it's clear he has no clue what he's talking about on anything he covers.
***** Actually, to be fair, a theory is actually a fact, or as close to a fact as we can get, at least if we are talking about the strict definition of the word. This is why I called what he suggested a hypothesis. A hypothesis is something like an educated guess with some support for it (very simplistic definition, I know). A theory is a hypothesis that's been tested over and over to see if it holds up to scrutiny. Most people use the word theory, but actually mean hypothesis, or even just a guess.
Anyway, just wanted to clear that up, though I do have to state again that I actually like these videos, even if they aren't always correct. They're interesting, and they're fun to watch. Plus, it's just fun to speculate about all these stories and background stuff in video games. We don't always have to be right when it comes to fun speculation, it just has to make some sort of sense.
Swordsage Sorry for not replying to your post but I just wanted to say.. Didn't expect you here! Only expected seeing you on Skalla's, Lindy's and Matt's/Schola's channel.
Ahoy!
Swordsage Well in Mega Man 3, Wily and Light both created the robot masters in that game (with the exception of Shadow Man).
Erik Dillon
True, though I don't dispute that in my post. Also, keep in mind that (as you yourself just pointed out) Wily also helped make the Robot Master's in 3, so again, you can't really say it's all Light's fault. Even if we were to decide that somehow, because Light had a hand in creating those robots, it is his fault, that's just one game, not the whole run of the series. So the hypothesis here still doesn't hold up.
Love that you played Bright Mans music when talking about Light. Well played.
Here after the 2020 Wily theory. It's so nice to hear the og theme
I wonder when the theory about the double gear system will come out
It's just a simple advancement, not some kind of story thing.
Although, how it works might seem simple, Matt might see more in it.
It’s not coming out
Yeah
Game Theory: Done more with Mega Man than Capcom has in years.
Sad but true.
If this garbage theory with trash reasonings and logical fallacies is doing more then cap com I’d love to see cap com do their worse
Not really since Game Theory gets a lot factually incorrect but sure
Smash Brothers still beats out both.
Lmao looking at this after game theory’s most recent video is weird
LanieMae hehe I know
Same, but then again you could combine his new theory with this in order to explain his motive.
edit: I made this comment while in the middle of the theory but after finishing it, I realized that actually still does work with the other theory
Errordog Lebowitz a 3000 year plan
@@Chronosmaster002 Ok, so? How does have to do with what I am talking about?
It still holds up, it didn't really say Dr Willy was good, just that it's Dr Light's fault for giving the robots free will and ignoring the three laws of robotics.
"The slowest scrolling dialogue ever".
Me: *Laughs in Undertale*
who is Mega Man's true villain? capcom for killing him
Gotta hate capcom
0:52 on the right corner there is 2020's... HOW DID HE KNOW IN 2020 HE WILL LINK US BACK TO HERE
One problem in the Japanese version instead of saying he is more than a robot when Wily tells him he can't harm him rock actually goes silent knowing he can't do it even if he really wanted to
Except that the only Robot Masters built by Dr. Light were the ones in 1, joint built with a "reformed' Wily in 3, and 9. The only other person who wasn't wily who built any Robot Masters was Dr. Cossack in MM4....The Robot Masters in 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10 are all Wily's doing.
But like Matpat said, It all falls back to Dr.Light.
He inspired people like Dr.Cossack and Dr.Wily to do these things.
Heck, in Mega Man X, Dr.Light even inspired Dr.Cain to build the Repliods that would soon become Mavericks!
Scott .F That's not the point I was trying to make. Matpat said that Light created the robots, not Wily.
Just Another Person Who Claims To Be Rainbow Dash 2nd longest name I have seen on CZcams,
But I/m not really aware of most of the Lore of Mega Man X
***** also in Mega Man 2.
All robot Masters are built by Wily same for 7 and maybe 8
Scott .F Erm. You're just repeating what I said. All the robot masters in 2, 5, 7, 8 and 10(?) were built by wily and wily alone. In 1 they were reprogrammed Doctor Light robots, in 3, a "Reformed" Wily worked with Doctor Light to build both the robot masters and the final giant robot Gamma. In Mega Man 4, Wily held Doctor Cossacks' daughter hostage and forced him to build robots to beat mega man. In Mega Man 9, Wily used his wits to corral Other Doctor Light made robots into helping him due to their expiration date. Well..with the exception of Mega Man 6, those were stolen by Wily, made by unknown scientists and then modified by Wily under the guise of Mr. X
Counterpoint: Manufacturing a sharp knife does not make you responsible for someone stabbing someone else. Wily's fault.
Making a robot that has free will and weapons attached to him AND has no reason not to kill humans, and then having another guy manipulate the robots to join his side, who's responsible for the deaths?
Rahzel Dazzle
the robots werent killing anybody until they joined his side, so its Wily's fault. Humans have free will, can buy and make weapons, and have no reason not to kill humans. You dont blame a murderers mother for giving birth to him.
Angus Khan yeah, but humans are usually raised to stay away from killing, and robots are much better at killing than humans. Also, yeah they weren't killing anyone( I think, I haven't played mega man ) but that's because they had no reason to. Besides, when they joined wily, they KNEW they were going to harm humans and were okay with that as long as they get to "live" past their expiration date.
Rahzel Dazzle
which still makes it Wily's fault... no matter how dumb it is to make free will robots, it will never not be wily's fault. And making a statement like "wily is innocent" like in the thumbnail is silly.
He has a point, you know.
I just realized something... We've always known about rock and roll... But what's interesting is protoman's name in Japan is Blues. Blues is the precursor to rockabilly, and eventually rock and roll.
I WANT MY MEGA MAN SHOW
Edit : the one with the cool space like theme and the actually human megaman
Edited after less than a day... Bruh
I forgot the space part ok
Well, who's the one who scraps Megaman's powers after he defeats Wily?
Megaman: Hey, Doctor Wily fled, I gotta go catch him
Light: You don't need those powers anymore
Megaman: But!
Light: You, don't, need, them, any, more
.... dun dun DUUUUUUUN!
@@SunlitSonata14272 NGL, that last word kept your comment PG & i can't stop laughing about it.
Willy creates and hacks Robots to kill people
Mega Man wants to kill Willy because he is destroying the world...
Conclusion: Dr. Light is the villain.
remember when he blackmailed some random russian guy and kidnapped his daughter?
Totti AG! But you didn’t include matpats theory of doctor light being guilty
Willy didnt create the robots...?
Zash Gekido he created three quarters of the robot masters
IDK: IDC
2017 matpat: this man is innocent
2020 matpat: laughs in future
I do miss the old intro
Nothing in this video surprised me, I knew you were going to talk about Dr. Light from the start. Better luck next time Mat.
I did too. Especially because he showed a silhouette of Dr. Light with a ? on it at the start.
"Some of the worst things imaginable, have been done with the best intentions."
A quote from Jurassic Park 3 that is going on your tombstone Dr. Light!
Man I remember when this video came out lol I Am an og theorist my first video was dead body's in the companion cubes
8:22 - 9:51 now i'm scared that judgment day is ACTUALLY inevitable
I love my Brezel, Bier und Wiener Schnitzel! :D
MoG For the win
(Besides,thinking stereotypes would like make MatPat a fat or a black guy)
nextes kalendertürchen wohl megaman oder was?
LP NINTENDOGAMES Kam doch schon vor zwei Tagen dran.^^
Oktoberfest!
DEUTSCHELANDE GUTE LANDE :D
steftronics Wiener Schnitzel kommt aus Österreich!
okay im considering the reason why megaman is megaman. He chose to don the armor and protect his home, heroes protect by any means necessary even if the hero is a machine. Megaman must've believed through his hero's morality system that he had to try and destroy wily
plus, every robot in the 1st game had a specific purpose. Cutman was a logging robot, Fireman was a trash processing bot. he equipped the robots with the tools necessary for the jobs he programmed them to do
+Ermac “Error” Macro me totaly agree (∩_∩)
Pinkzapp -axl Did i just make MatPat's theory crumble? I thinl i did.
+Ermac “Error” Macro probaly..... but yours makes sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pinkzapp -axl Thank you.TheGameTheorists
In Megaman 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8, wily built the robot masters himself. Also the doc robots in mm 3
Technically Thanos in Marvel vs Capcom says that of how Tony stark and Dr.Light try to avoid war but instead start it
1:49 *OBJECTION!*
That moment was included for the American audience, not the original Japanese version. It is not a constant.
They went to RIT, where, instead of MIT, it's in Rochester!
Thank you!!
Go tigers!
Wait, if a 3D printer is technically a robot, then if a human being puts their hand on the hot filament, wouldn't that conflict with Asimov's laws?
Ronit Taleti
Well, probably there's some sort of detector or sensor of intrusions on the process, but technically speaking, Asimov's laws were created as more of a guideline for robots that could have the potential of killing a person or stuff, willingly, sort of how I, Robot plays out.
Thanks.
Good video and I'm inclined to agree with some of your points. That said its a huge leap to go from "Dr. Light is irresponsible" to "Dr. Wily is innocent".
He actually got a lot of incorrect, US version is a mistranslation and completely different from the original telling of the Mega Man 7 story in Japan. Which quite literally invalidates the rest of his points
Ahhhhhhh, feels good comin back to this 7 years after watching, love the old vids
Ah yes. The ending of Megaman 7, when for some reason the translation team went from "................" to "Die Wily".
Sure. Let's blame the creator of the gunpowder for every war where explosives where used.
Trigs Fun fact: The creator of gunpowder was actually trying to create an immortality potion.
Trigs you do realise the creater of gunpowder is the creater of the Nobel peace prize
+ Issac Denley Nobel actually made dynamite, not gunpowder. Gunpowder was made by the Chinese centuries earlier.
Gunpowder doesn't have independent thought or autonomy of action. The analogy doesn't work.
This is so nostalgic, I've recently been going back and watching these videos from 2013 and boy has game theory come a long way.
I'm proud to say I've been a fan of this channel for over 5 years :)
watchin in 2020. i forgot how much i missed the old intro
ᶘ ͡°ᴥ͡°ᶅ Wily what you want. Im just a robot chillin.
I W I L L H U A N T Y O U U N T I L T H E D A Y Y O U W I L L D I E . . .
-Vile, Megaman X3
X was then huanted till megaman zero 3
The Infinity Pizza
Megaman X3 is the best megaman game ever
Buuuut Light only made Proto, Rock, Roll, and the original 6/8 masters (depends on if you believe powered up is canon). Also, X was the first robot with free will (and I guess zero as well), so these robots still had the laws of robotics at the time. Dr. Light in fact tried really hard to make sure X had a conscience by storing him for 30 years (and stayed for 70 more)
Light also made the 8 robot masters of MM9.
Doctor Light built..
Mega Man 1 robot masters
Mega man 3 robot masters are built by Doctor Light and Doctor Wily
Mega Man 9 robot masters are built by Doctor Light
so yeah
(Shadow man doesn't count,if you saw the archie)
Even in the canon of the games, Shadow man isn't by the docs.
I'm here from the future, and I have to say that this intro is amazing! :D
"rule 34 no exceptions" man, game theory used to have an edgy side
That’s not edgy
If the path to anhilation was paved with good intentions dr.light was about to build a highway
Mega Man's true villain is his mom...
Mega Man's Mom:MEGA MAN DO YOUR HOMEWORK
Mega Man:I'll do it later
Mom:I SAID NOW
Mega Man:I SAID LATER
Mom:DON'T MAKE ME TAKE AWAY YOUR POWER PELLETS >.<
Mega Man:OK OK OK ANYTHING BUT THAT
Mega Man:you biatch
Mom: WHAT YOU SAY
Mega Man:NOTHING
Night Time:Mega Man cries himself to sleep the end..
If Mega Man were to cry, would he short circuit himself?
maybe xD or he's water proof :P
wait, are you saying Megaman is Pac-Man? (Power Pellets) o.O
Royal Fenikkusu
Megaman vs Pac Man in Smash
Megaman: PEW PEW PEW
Pac Man: WAKA WAKA WAKA *eats the things megaman shoots*
Megaman: WHAT IS THIS THING
Jack Nguyen He might be water proof since he goes underwater and still functions correctly.
1:18 As a german, I approve everything! Now get your darn bretzels and wieners and give me a god damn beer. HEIL SCHNITZEL!!!
...
I hope I don't get striked...
Actually, Megaman was scaring Dr.Wily.
grimm knows everything
An ethical possibility for Megaman deciding to off Wily in the seventh game could be the same as Zero being able to fight and kill Dr. Weil in Megaman Zero 4, "fighting for those he believes in" aside. Asimov's 0th Law of Robotics, which states (probably get a little of this wrong) that robots cannot through action or inaction allow harm to fall upon humanity as whole, as in if there was a threat to the entire human race. If said threat was by chance a human, and said human was intent on destroying humanity, a robot would be free to ignore laws one, two, and three in order to ensure humanity's survival. Megaman likely recognized the neverending process of Wily trying for world domination, thus countless lives being lost even if he was stopped each time, and decided that Wily's death would prevent the eventual destruction of humanity.
The events of the game would support this reading, because the property damage in populated urban areas being literally shown in Mega Man 7's intro and intro stage and intermission is unprecedented in a Mega Man game.
Exactly. And 7 was the debut of Bass and Treble, the battle robots made to counter Megaman, a robot originally not meant for battle who volunteered to save the populace from Wily's schemes. While Rock's strength has been shown and proven time and again, by design he wasn't meant for combat. Bass and Treble were, and seeing how strong they were likely gave Megaman another viable reason to end Wily's life. If Wily made more Robot Masters like them, not only would more people die, but eventually Megaman himself would be overwhelmed and destroyed by them, leaving the world without a protector against Wily.
Guys calm down. It's just a theory. A game theory!
Turtles Derp I am calm. I was simply giving my own theory to at least part of the game theory.
Judge Eternus No 0th law is even required, just a programming of the laws that is far-sighted enough to take the effect of future events into.
That is to say, if taking an action (aka, killing Wily) will cause harm to a human, but NOT taking an action (aka, NOT killing Wily) will cause more total harm, then the greatest net benefit to human life is to shoot the bastard in the head and the robot would actually be incapable of not killing Wily.
The Game Theorist is the best channel on CZcams. Gosh, I love it so much.
What about the Zeroth Law?
(paraphrasing) "A robot may not harm a human, unless doing so would be for the greater good of humanity as a whole."
Arguably, killing Wily probably would've been the quicker short-term solution for protecting humanity (especially since we all know how hard it is to get politicians to change any laws). No more Wily = No more Robot Masters terrorizing humans = No more Wily-related problems (and with the added benefit of no Maverick Virus, no Zero Nightmare, and no Model W)
Try humming the Megaman Castle theme from Megaman 2 to the intro song of Game Theory. They fit rather well together.
The old intro and background music! Gives me the nostalgia feels