Interview with a Severely Disturbed Killer 17 Years Later | Criminal Lawyer Reacts
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Criminal Lawyer Bruce Rivers reacts to Interview with a Severely Disturbed Killer 17 Years Later
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I was also a latchkey kid. My parents were alcoholics. After work my dad would head for the bar & after work my mother would start to hunt him down because he was a serial cheater. At 8 yrs old I started taking stray pets home to keep me company for the next 5 yrs until I started smoking weed. The only person I ever hurt was myself with substance abuse. I never wanted to hurt someone else.
I hope you’re living a great life now, friend.
Thank you for helping the strays
Thank you for your service
That's great... but not everyone is affected in the same way. Differences in genetics,personality, etc.
@@taliaasims😂
Here is a story I heard years ago.
Two Irish brothers went to a therapist for alcoholism.
The therapist asked #1 brother " Why are you an alcoholic?"
He replied "Because my father is"
The therapist turned to brother #2 and asked "Why are you not an alcoholic?"
He replied "Because my father is"
Two brothers. Same family. Very different outcomes.
That's the exact situation with me and my sister. I don't touch any drugs or alcohol because of my parents but my sister smokes weed and drinks because of my parents. It's really a sad situation to be honest. From my point of view it's very very lonely because it feels like I'm the only one there both mentally and physically. Like a ghost almost
Twist is the 2nd brother was drunk and in denial.
Yes. I know individuals in both situations. It really is something how different they can be.
EXACTLY
decisions!!!
Have your own podcast.
Dude describes the most normal home life and childhood like we’re supposed to feel bad for him lmao.
What also breaks my heart about this is that Cassie was asked to leave that night since she was scared, but she was being responsible because she was trusted to house sit and so she was going to fulfill her responsibility. That's just heartbreaking. She was innocent and being a responsible and good kid an all around innocent victim.
Her only mistake was being nice to the piece of shit who murdered her
The most gut wrenching part about this case is Cassie did everything this man says he wish someone had done. She was his friend, she probably knew he had a crush on her but she still valued him and his friendship enough to not cast him aside. She was nice to him... and it got her fucking killed
That is sad. It's like he killed her because she was close. No one else let him close enough to do it.
Not just her, a good part of his enviroment did the very things he said they should have done. And the rejection he laments about was likely a result of others seeing him as dangerous or at least creepy.
As a girl you can do whatever you want, it's still wrong. You are either a b... that had it coming or too naive and should have chosen better friends. While it's always the violent guy's decision and responsibility.
No no she played him she sent him mixed signals because she liked the attention but did want to date him because of how it would make her look. They strig guys like this along and give them just enough hope to think something could happen. We all know girls that do thi stuff and it can drive someone insane. Not excusing what he did but I am saying this stuff happens and it's cruel.
@youtubebannedme4207 bruh huh? She did none of that shit I've seen the whole case. She told him no that she had a boyfriend and he took it to the offense. What he dumbass needed to do was move on the hell out go find someone else. You don't result murdering someone over a damn rejection.
It's so sad and dismissive that Cassie's name is rarely mentioned. This thug still, after 17 years, continues to dehumanize her as constantly calling her his victim. Cassie was a beautiful young woman, and my heart breaks for her and her family.
I hope that dude never gets out. He has no remorse or accountability.
Pretty sure he won’t ever be released.
Honestly, remorse is just something prisoners do at their parole hearing. I'd prefer that they make ammends and atone for their crimes than make cheap apologies.
@@jujubean54ifyyou’d be surprised
@@hj-ls8pcyou guys love to use this card, give me 5 examples, of the same or similar magnitude, where they were released . You can’t 😂shut up buster
Me, Myself, and I: Three things a psychopath never tires of talking or thinking about.
Narcissistic personalities at their best.
U guys get your psychiatrist degrees at walmart?
My head: 17 years ago. Oh, like the 90’s.
Reality: 17 years ago. 2006. 😮😮😮
I know right?! Holy shit time is flying 😢
OMG, I didn't even do that math - HOLY COW... 😐😐😵💫😵💫
My head: the early 80s. We were all latchkey kids.
@@jenniferedwards1752except we didn't need a key because nobody locked their door, at least where I grew up
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I am so sorry that you and your family lost your wife to suicide. I lost my mother the same way. What no one mentions is that the day your loved one dies that way, who you were dies as well. Twenty years later, I am just pulling myself together. I not only miss my mother,, but I miss the person I was. I wish you and your family healing and peace.
Aww bless... Wish healing for you
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This made me so sad to read, I'm so sorry about your poor mom and I hope you've been able to find some peace in among all the grief.
I went through something similarly traumatic a few years back - it caused me to have a breakdown & I tried to end my own life twice in 6 months.
I'm still recovering from things the same as you, and I have also spent the longest time grieving the old me, wishing I could just find her again and go back to how I used to be.
But I think we need to be careful - if we focus too much on who we were and how much we miss that version of ourselves, there's a risk we'll start to feel resentful of the person who we are today.
And if you think about it, does she really deserve that? She didn't ask to be here either. And yet the person she turned out to be is all you've got now - doesn't she deserve a chance to show you that she's worth loving too?
Shouldn't you treat her with the same patience and kindness that you'd give to a friend who asked for your help?
Have you *really* taken the time to get to know the person you are today? what smells makes her smile, where does she feel most at home, what music brings her peace, what does she dream of doing, what small goals are a big deal to her etc etc.
Basically, I sometimes get so lost in the past and in my grief, that I want to reject the girl I see in the mirror today. I don't want her so I don't like her. But then one day it'll hit just me - that the new versions of us are worthy of love too, and they're going to do amazing, beautiful things ❤ xxx
@@Jordan_Starr Wow! This is one of the most insightful and wise comments I’ve ever seen online. Bless you and everything you do.
All the best.
@Jordan_Starr , thank you for your words and contribution, they are appreciated much more, and by many, than you may ever understand.
17 yrs later and still refuses to take personal responsibility for taking a girl's life. She wasn't mean to them or anything. No notice it's even scarier at this age.
He didn’t want respect or recognition, he wanted to be feared. It’s the same thing to a psychopath like this.
So how do you punish a person that doesn't know they're being punished.....
Brian Draper is completely self-absorbed. No feeling for the lives he destroyed. After all these years, he still has no feeling, no remorse.
Exactly! It’s crazy sickening,listening to him make excuses and blame everything, everone, than himself. Zero accountability or Remorse!! Psycho.
It’s way too obvious how much this young man enjoyed being interviewed. He still loves talking about himself.
Exactly, he doesn’t give one shit about Cassie
I was thinking the same thing.
He hasnt gained one bit of wisdom or maturity
@@kittyroxsA psychopath isn't going to gain any of that.
Absolutely, you hear the glee in his voice. What a fucker!!!!
“I didn’t want to be famous.”
Back to video.
“WE’RE GONNA MAKE HISTORY!!!”
it’s just so bizarre because he’s talking about it like the crime he committed was a car jacking and not taking someone else’s entire life
After my father murdered my mom, when I was 25, I had't spoken to him for almost a year. Once he was jailed and then sent to prison, I had absolutely no reason to contact him. He was nothing to me.
I’m so sorry. That’s got to be so hard to get through. My heart breaks for you and your family. I couldn’t imagine! I pray for you!
sorry for your loss deeply.
Jesus. I’m so sorry. I hope you healed and found some peace ❤
Wat prison is he in?
Ok?
The hardest thing I've EVER had to do was reporting my son for stealing my car and wrecking it. It wasn't a 'one off' thing.... there were numerous 'incidents' over about 2yrs. But the car - this was the last time he'd be 'enabled' by me.
I called the Police and had him arrested, he'd also been drinking!!
I went to the station with him, he blew under the limit for alcohol in his system. He went to court, where i dropped the charge of stealing the car.
I worked hard for that car - I made him buy me another!! He borrowed the money and so had to pay that back too.
For years there would be heated arguments and he'd tell ME that I was wrong for reporting him, having him arrested and that none of his friends parents would ever do that to them. I used to say to him "get their parents here! Let's see who would and who wouldn't!"
That was a long time ago, he is now a single father, and has sole custody of his son.
He has his own car and house too. He's also served his Country.
NOW, he says he completely understands why I did what I did. In fact, he says he would do the same.... in his words, "I get it now, I work hard to keep the house running and the car"
Watching this, if I hadn't have done what I did.... where would he be now? ....I can only guess!
They start with small things, and each time, it's a bit more, a bit more, a bit more.
It's a hard thing to do reporting your 'child' BUT, in the grand scheme of things, it's the RIGHT thing to do!
Loving these insights and explanations of these varied cases, keep it going ❤
You made the right choice, even if it was painful for both of you at the time. I'm proud that your son learned from that and straightened out. Best wishes to you and your son.
@@wolfe6220 Thankyou so much 🥰
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Draper sounds like a Public Relations Chief Executive Officer when he talks about himself. He expresses himself with possible signs of some type of personality disorder; at best. Very frightening and sad.
My son was shocked when I turned him in. I had warned him if he ever laid a hand on his little sister I wouldn’t hesitate. He was 15 she was 10. One morning as they were getting in the car for school he slapped her across the face. She didn’t touch him. I told him then. You’ll be in juvenile hall before the day is over. He laughed at me. The sheriff picked him up at school, walked him out in handcuffs. he spent 6 weeks in J. H. Came home with an ankle monitor. Remanded to probation, drug court and what I wanted ultimately, therapy.
It cost me a TON of money and time. We had probation officers coming to the house twice a day and some didn’t do their jobs. I’d hold their feet to the fire. I wanted my kid held accountable now while he was a kid before he turned 18 and would be tossed into the prison system. My son is 39 now. He’s struggled with substance abuse but is clean and has never been to prison. He’s an amazing artist, an empathetic counselor and friend. I have a deep respect for him but we’ve had our times of estrangement. It took him a long time to understand why I did what I did when he was 15 but he has told me it’s probably what has kept him out of prison. I don’t think he has yet comprehended how hard it was to do it and stick by my decision. I didn’t come from a family that did that. Just the opposite in fact but my brothers and my sons bio dad were all convicts too. I wanted better for my son.
My condolences about your late wife’s death..
that was a big thing to share with us and I’m here to support you.
Exactly, for all of us who love Bruce and content genius Michael.
It’s very brave of Bruce to share this with his audience.
I applaud him.
My baby brother took his own life in 2013, not a day goes by that I do not think of him.
@@jujubean54ifyCondolences for your loss. All my siblings have passed and I think about them regularly....
@@jujubean54ifyI’m so sorry. My dad took part in the Normandy invasion in 1944. He was only 19. He saw such horrific sights, that he tried to drink away the memories. He took his own life in 1979. I miss him so much, but at my age, I know I’ll see him and my mother very soon.
Years ago, a co-worker told us that her high school daughter had befriended a male loner at school. Apparently one day he implied some kind of violence against the school. It was a benign conversation, but, she immediately contacted her mom, who phoned police. The boy was taken and given the appropriate mental health he desperately needed.
He puts so much blame on the other guy. No real accountability 17 years later.
That’s what followers do
It's pretty messed up isn't it? 17 years later and he's still making excuses. I can't believe that he spent 17 years in prison already. He's been sitting there thinking about what he did for all that time, and he has no feelings of responsibility over what he did, and all his insight is just focusing on blaming someone else.
Torey was railroaded by the system & was lumped together as the same person as Ryan, even though he’s innocent. You should read the book ‘The Guilty Innocent’ by Shanon Adamcik.
@@macysondheim How can you say Torrey is innocent ? He was there, there’s all the video saying what he did.
IMHO and Based on working in child and adolescent mental health for 20 years, my superficial/ initial thoughts are…..
Torrey was most likely the orchestrator, brains and controller behind the plan, he’s the one writing it down and dictating the story when they’re sat at the table, if Torrey told Brian to shut up, Brian would have shut up.
Brian was the wannabe hero worshipper to Torrey trying immaturely and too hard to impress him.
This combination of needy personalities feeding each other will always have some potential for absolute disaster. They are equally culpable for different reasons.
If they were released, I would bet that Torrey would reoffend and find a new accomplice OR the 2 of them would reconnect and reoffend (depending how deep the connection is between them despite Brian’s minimising of it and Torrey being smart enough to stay quiet)
As hard as it may be, Torreys mother needs to wake up to reality and accept her child’s role and responsibility in this,
minimising and making excuses for him is likely to have played a part in his inability to think about or accept that consequences apply to him, and have left him with a belief of being insulated against consequences, which can increase rage and dangerousness when he realises he isn’t.
Just disgusting that his parents, especially his mother keeps excusing the responsibility of her son’s involvement in this heinous crime! Even the video they took of them planning this didn’t convince her despite the OBVIOUS equal enjoyment while doing so! He needs to stay in jail for life!
Just fyi - that is the mother of the other kid involved, so just a whole bunch of winners I guess.
Thank you Mr. Rivers for sharing a very tragic and personal fact about your wife. At first I thought you were a very entertaining and funny lawyer. But after watching a lot of your videos, I found someone who is probably an empath in disguise.😉
I feel like this project with your son goes beyond commenting criminal arrests and cases. You are using this platform to teach people and to remind them how empathy and common sense can keep them away from ruining other peoples lives and their own.
All the good advices regarding how to behave when being arrested, also to stop self snitching, can really help even good people who have made a mistake by preventing them from being in a worst legal situation. Thanks to Michael too for orchestrating it all. You guys seem to have a special bond and I am very happy for you! ☺
This poor girl was housesitting her aunts home. She was there alone, and not familiar with the house. She’s hearing noises…It’s already very unsettling being in a house that you’re not familiar with. And these guys are down in the basement, terrorizing her, stalking her, before they attack and brutalize and murder her …….this poor girl I can’t imagine the terror she experienced. These monsters never ever ever need to get out of prison.
My dad was a touring musician and gone about 85% of the time, and he was an alcoholic so his time at home wasn’t great either.
My mom worked 60-80 hours a week, so I took care of my little brother while also looking after myself.
I was also a fat teenage girl in the ‘90s, so I never dated in high school and had super low self-esteem.
Never, ever have I thought about murdering someone. 🤷♀️
That's you. But the extent to which a child’s stress response to adversity becomes toxic and leads to serious health and mental health problems in adulthood also depends on the child’s biological makeup (e.g., genetic vulnerabilities, prior experiences that have damaged the stress response system or limited healthy gene expression) and the characteristics of the adverse events or conditions (e.g., intensity, duration, whether a caregiver caused the child harm).
@@awkwardautistic I have ADHD and clinical depression, so it’s not like I came out of it unscathed.
Also, the point is that the guy who committed murder is trying to blame his childhood experiences instead of taking any accountability for decisions he made. HE chose to callously murder someone. The majority of people with similar childhoods have not murdered anyone.
Regardless of the circumstances, he made choices that led to him committing murder. Instead of acknowledging that, he told us a story of his complicated childhood in an effort to garner sympathy from the audience and distance himself from his crime.
Weird, I had the same upbringing, took care of my little brother. Only difference was I was a bone skinny boy, but everything else matches
@@beetotheteeI agree,, many MANY people have kinda,, whatever issues that lead to unfortunate experiences in their high school years but obviously don't do violent things... I suppose the "I came from a dysfunctional family" narrative is bound to haunt social media chats forever but it's notable that a lot of people who commit heinous crimes came from basically a functional family... That's a lot harder to just trot out in a bio on a school shooter or someone like sycho sam, the weird "horrorcore" guy who actually came from a pretty good family but went on to bludgeon four people, including two teen girls with a wood splitting axe... The mom of one of the Columbine shooters has gone on to do extensive social media activity calling attention to the problems of gun control and teens access to guns and the potentially deadly effects of school bullying etc etc ... Although people questioned her motives for imo pretty sensibly using her 15 minutes to call attention to vital social problems and basically donating whatever profits she made to some kind of Charity or something,, a rational observer should probably conclude that she's at least trying to give something back for what her son took and in my opinion anyway, that makes her probably a pretty good parent....
@@beetothetee He was answering the questions he was being asked.
He’s the perfect example of why therapy doesn’t always work. He’s learned just enough to use it to defend his own actions.
On a side note: I’m so sorry to hear of your wife. My husband killed himself three years ago. None of us will ever be the same. I hope you have worked through that grief as much as possible and have peace on the other side of things. 💕
Exactly. He sounds like he's repeating the therapist's words.
Re: parroting therapy-- Ed Kemper was the king of doing that, but he was intelligent enough to understand that he shouldn't be let out of prison, denied parole hearings and has *some* empathy for his victims.
I'm sorry about your family's loss, heartbreaking.
It is typical narcissistic tactic to adapt to therapy and fake feelings.
I was thinking the same thing . Just repeating the therapist word.
@@nancywright2680 they learn how to adapt their response. Narcs are good at faking behavior which is strange bc they don't consider that their behavior is wrong.
I am distressed that our Mr. Rivers was turned down as a prom date. *Monsters!*
I’m so sorry for your loss, it took me by surprise 😢
I appreciate you being vulnerable to share, so publicly . Broke my heart 💔
And this guy has learned absolutely nothing, blame everyone, no self accountability. I hope he never gets out.
Zero remorse, zero accountability, zero empathy. This guy should NEVER get out of prison for everyone’s sake. Some people just don’t have the capability or capacity for reform and he is one of those people.
Wow.. you must be a genius. To be able to diagnose someone so quickly.. just listening to one short interview, is very impressive.
americans should be very quiet when talking about justice
@@thejumper7282 Why?
@@thejumper7282Americans have a responsibility to not only serve justice in our own country, but justice around the globe as well. Because terrorists & savages often go unchallenged in other countries, & in many cases are even allowed to prosper & flourish.
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Yeah 99 percent of people have Some Chance of being redeemed.
He's the other 1 percent.
12 years as a latchkey kid (80 to 92). Microwave was my friend. Did my homework alone and got what i earned, at my after school job(s). Left home 2 weeks after turning 18. Been around the world, multiple times, married, divorced, married again (for the last 16 years). Life is what you put into it, not what you get OUT of it. Till people truly learn that fact, they will continue to be miserable and will never truly be happy or peaceful, with anything or anyone.
im similar its hard
How right you are. I'll be 70 next month and I learned yrs ago to count blessings, own my shit, apologize when needed and respect yourself.
Raised 3 girls and taught them that sometimes when someone doesn't like you, it's a compliment, expectations of anyone are resentments in the making and....
Life isn't always short...it can be very long...make the best of it.
They who laugh, LAST.
After two rehabs, over 20 years in AA/NA/ACA with two relapses, over 3 years of intense therapy to help with my abused childhood/depression/end of life ideations/facing some very horrific life experiences at a young age…I never once thought of ending anyone. These young men make me sick, I hope they are never released. There is no excuse for what they did. My condolences to Cassie’s family 🙏 and even the murderers’ families. They didn’t ask for this. Thank you Bruce & Michael for this great long video. I’m kind of a shut-in and I just can’t wait until your next video. 👍🏼 lots of love to The Rivers men. ❤
There is a whole generation of latch key kids… we are adults now and most of us didn’t end up killing people or go on a mass shooting spree 😢🥺
The lack of responsibility is amazing.
We just built forts in the woods, rode our bikes hundreds of miles and swam in our polluted river whenever we were bored over the summer.
George Carlin talked about swimming in the Hudson River growing up. It was when Polio had no cure & was not uncommon. He noticed that none of his friends ever got Polio, “because we went swimming in raw sewage! We were tempered with raw shit!”
@@EMurph42 my grandmother often suggested the river wasn't polluted till is kids started using it.
At least we avoided the sewage pipe from the local steel plant dumping into it.
I was a latchkey kid, abused emotionally and physically by my mother until I left home......never harmed or killed another person. I was adopted as a baby, and one bit of my emotional abuse she packed a bag, drove me to the Children's Home Society, and said she was going to give me back. My brother was adopted as well but treated like a prince. Still....never had thoughts or actions to kill anyone. She has apologized, and I moved on to be the super chill, best human I could be.
Wow, you’re so strong. Both of my parents were abusive to me but your mom doing that is unreal. I’m so happy she apologized! Much respect and love to you. Thanks for sharing.
Your mom sounds really sick. Big hugs to you and I'm glad you're okay now. I'm glad your mom apologised but what she did would make me say you should keep your guard up with her, I don't think a good person would even think that never mind threaten or do it. Hugs❤
My dad was in the Pacific war during WWII, he was forever damaged.
He was awful to us kids.
My mom eventually divorced him.
When years later, I ran into people who raved about what a great person he was, I was shocked and surprised. I never knew that person!
However, he died, lonely and distanced from all of us.
9/11 was the event that broke him.
He had massive embolisms, and DROVE himself from Zapata to frickin Laredo, where he was airlifted to San Antonio, and they tried to patch him up. Then he was moved to the Veterans hospital. This was in Kerrville, where he died.
My oldest brother called me from Iowa, said he was gone.
Much to my surprise, I said, I want to see him.
Brother said, Nah, let the VA take care of him.
I drove to Kerrville from Austin, and claimed his body, had him cremated.
I spent two nights with my big Malamute for company, sat at the funeral parlor and cried my eyes out for the person he could have been.
Since he and my mom had been divorced for decades, I had to contact all my eight siblings to get them agree that it was okay to have him cremated. Their responses were mostly heartbreaking, my youngest brother suggesting I should “throw that piece of shit into the Rio Grande”.
I kept half of his ashes, I never told any of my siblings.
Sorry this is so long, thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
@@jujubean54ifyIt’s not a Ted talk, it wasn’t too long. I’m very sorry you had to experience all that and that your father’s experiences in the Pacific ruined him. I hope seeing him and arranging for his cremation helped you.
@@jujubean54ifyIt doesn't matter how or why you chose to honor your father after his death...it matters only that you did. It matters most that you were capable. My own dad was an angry SOB. He could never admit he was wrong and never said, I'm sorry.... my mom did it for him which oddly made me mad at her. I realized, before he passed, that he was full of fear and battled all of his life to prove he had no fear. I actually felt sorry for him. Being able to accept him as he was made his last years bearable, for both of us. I've been sober 26 yrs and it's only bc I learned to accept life on life's terms. My own kids have the benefit of that.
Part of me is grateful I was a drunk bc it brought me so low I had to admit i was spiritually bankrupt.
I'm glad you've figured out how to live in a way that finds you comfortable in your own skin.
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The absolute lack of remorse or responsibility that he shows is just wild. When he talked about if he wished he hadn't done it he doesn't regret what he did to Cassie or her family. He just talks about how its affected him being in prison. And then he has an excuse for everything, its not his fault, he wouldn't have done it except for xwz, or he should have diminished responsibility for ome reason or another. Then he doesn't think he should be kept in prison for his full sentence. Give me a break.
Prison for life,both of them. NO parole ever for these two.
The camera shake when Bruce talked about his wife suicide made me wanna hug the content genius ❤Clear example that there’s no good excuses for this crimes, even the deepest pain cannot explain such cruelty
I noticed that camera shake too 😞
How do you hug a CZcams video?
I didn’t know that. Thank you. My heart goes out to them.
@@TSWaves1he said “content genious” not CZcams video. Content creator is the person making the video.. that’s who they want to hug
@@TSWaves1 that’s what he calls his son.
Bruce…..I am so sorry to hear that your wife committed suicide in 2003. I was listening and watching this and that just completely shocked me. Love you guys and everything you and Michael do. Diana from Australia 🙏🏻🥰✨
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I had to rewind that bit. I so sorry Rivers.
@@jonathanshaw7355same I rewatched it like 4 times just to make sure he wasn’t just trying to give a random example! 😞
I have watched a lot of your videos and I don’t think I’ve ever heard you speak so candidly about your own life. I’m so so sorry about your dad’s treatment of you and about the tragedy of your wife’s passing. ❤
He was not abused. Sociopath.
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I know two adopted children, and from the moment they went to their adopted parents at 6 weeks of age, they had a birthday celebration and a ‘coming home’ celebration. They spoke of their coming home day in kindergarten and other kids would feel like they were missing out. I thought it was such a good way to avoid a traumatic and confusing time.
Normal people when they hear these guys talk about their crimes: "This horrifying. They're such evil monsters. It rattles me to my core."
Bruce when he hears these guys talk about their crimes: "You see what I mean? Self-snitching, right there."
Defense attorneys are built differently
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The attorneys' goal is to represent their client to the best of their ability. It's not easy. You have to separate yourself from the client and focus on the goal.
Accurate af 🤣🤣😂
I know these guys and my brother was very close to Cassie before they killed her. This was, and still is, one of the biggest tragedies to ever happen here in Pocatello.
It’s so tragic. Love to your brother and to Cassie’s family.
This case has always broken my heart, it was so unbelievably senseless! I hope your brother, her family, and everyone who knew her is healing
I’m sorry you experienced this horrible tragic crime.
You are the ripples Bruce spoke of in these murders. It effects so many
Yes I'm sending prayers to all y'all also 😢
Oh wow, horrible.
I remember the documentary. Bruce is right. They were literally killed one of their FRIENDS just because they were bored and could.
I’m so sorry to hear about your wife Bruce. I lost my mom to suicide 6 years ago and I’m still struggling everyday to wake up and just getting after it. Keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers 🤍 🕊️
Sorry x
What happened?
I also love the longer videos. 30 minutes isn’t long enough with these two guys. Mr Rivers expert insight is informative and priceless, the videos that Micheal chooses are sometimes funny, some sad, but always educational.
I agree!!
Michael has excellent instincts! What I really love is Bruce’s adoration & honest respect for his son. What a great idea as a father son project? I sense they never had expectations of this much success, just a father/son project..
And they have a golden play button! Hot damn!
This one just makes me sick.
I have a short attention span so i'm a 20 to 40 minutes guy :) but this was good
So sorry bruce😢😢
This was intense. This isn't good kids making bad choices. It's the face of evil. Part of me thinks it's not good to give a killer this kind of attention. Then I begin to think that it's something that I and others need to see. A stark reminder of how precious life is. Thank you for this reaction.
Good on you for questioning your intentions. There is a really thin line with true crime that we walk, I think we need to be informed without being exploitative. For me that means limiting the amount of true crime content I watch to a minimum. I used to consume it constantly and it didn't help me and only added to the exploitative tendencies of true crime journalism
Luke's change of intention good is.
Killer seeking attention phase ends, commoner ability to analyze to learn dangers to better protect self and those loved begins.
People need to see so they can recognize the signs in those around them in order to keep themselves safe.
This guy isn't "evil", he's what's called a sociopath. They have a neurological difference in their brain and are considered neurodivergent. Many of them also suffer from mood disorders (depression, bipolar, anxiety) or substance use disorders, or other various mental health disorders such as a cluster one (schizoid, paranoid, schizophrenia) He's of average intelligence, he's got a lot of narcissistic traits because he doesn't know how to cope with feelings of shame and guilt, he scapegoats, he engages in criminal acts.
He detaches from his reality, he compartmentalizes different facets of his life in order to keep everything from getting tangled together and messing up his cons. He doesn't even realize that he's conning people, he believes in these lies that he tells people. And his mind, it's his version of what happened. It's his ego's way of protecting his identity, and also keeping his exterior personality intact, that narcissistic do good or who's making a positive change. And it's not to say that he doesn't want to make a positive change, he might want to but he will have a very difficult time learning how to do that with a narcissistic personality disorder because they must learn how to accept feelings of shame and inadequacy, and embrace them. Not just embrace them, but integrate them into their own personality via shadow work, and most people with narcissistic personality disorder uneven self-aware enough nor humble enough to say that they have something that they view as a flaw, like a cluster b personality disorder. Lol
By the way I'm not excusing this guy, I'm just rationally explaining what's going on with him. I think he's a piece of s*** and regardless of what's going on there's no excuse for it. That's what sucks about those type of personality disorder is, the people can really just be f***** up, and it's hard to deal with them.
It is almost impossible to get them to change. They'll always say that they're going to when they want something. Especially when they want to beat court or get back with a partner.
28:20 exactly. And what he just said to try to justify his behavior, what he just said that Bruce called out as being so f***** up, this guy actually believes that it's a valid justification. That's why he sounds so deadpan and he honestly believes in it when he says it. He's shocked that we don't agree with him, he thinks that we're the f***** up once!
They have a crazy sense of morals. That's why they're called antisocial, because their morals are not the same as the rest of societies. They actually are extremely social and can be very charming. They're super exciting, for the most part. The ocean gate guy with the submersible -that guy was a psychopath, they're similar to a sociopath, only they function on a higher level and can usually obtain some measure of success. They're usually extremely intelligent in some arenas, and above average intelligence in most others.
Sociopaths will find jobs where they can get power, like in law enforcement, working security, bouncers at a club, those type of positions.
Psychopaths are generally able to hyperfocus and have special interests and obsessions, similar to autistic people. Oftentimes a psychopath can be found in the operating room working on a patient's brain or heart, working on child patients, working as judges as well, working as lawyers, working as high functioning CEOs and other positions within the c suite of various different corporations. It's good to have psychopaths in these positions because they have a very keen sense of logic, they can put their emotions on the back burner in order to do jobs that somebody who's emotionally bound to maybe to caught up to do correctly. For instance, somebody who's works with terminally ill children would benefit from being a psychopath because they're not the type of person who's going to go home at the end of the long day and break down in tears, and have to talk to a counselor about what's going on at work and stuff like most people would. I know I had to leave working in mental health after it over 10 years because I got so burnt out. I'm autistic and I get overwhelmed easily.
Psychopaths are extremely charming and they love to get ahead of everyone else. They often will obtain the best things in life because they're extremely narcissistic. Not every narcissist is on the antisocial personality disorder spectrum (sociopath and psychopath), but every sociopath has at least one or two narcissistic traits to an extent, and every psychopath has npd, either covert or grandiose.
All of them lie, all of them believe in their own lies, all of them have maladaptive coping strategies when it comes to dealing with the bigger emotions that cause them shame, guilt, inadequacy, and embarrassment.
This is why they behave in the ways that they do. It all stems from this feeling of inner rejection because they've never been taught how to cope with it, or even if they have been taught, they may have a neurological issue that causes these deep set, unfounded feelings of self-consciousness and anxiety.
In some patients that I've worked with, the individual is deluded by the act of deflecting accountability (which is done subconsciously in most cases, in order to avoid any type of potential embarrassment or shame) to the point where the person suffering from the personality disorder does not even realize it, it's just their natural state of being, and so they live in a perpetual on flex of shielding their identity with their ego.
This is my hometown. This case is something that everyone still talks about and have always felt deep sadness for Cassie and her family. As for Brian and Torey... They both planned it. They both took part in ending Cassie's life. They both lied and attempted to hide the evidence. They both have blamed each other from day one, yet they both forgot they filmed everything. Torey and his mom are absolutely delusional in thinking Torey is innocent, took no part in it and should be set free. Glad they are both locked away for good.
At least they can’t breed!
I was recently checking out Pocatello. Do you happen to know which high school they went to? And which movie theater they claimed to be at?
What a creep still after all his time in prison- still no remorse for the victim, he couldn’t talk to girls but chose to murder the girl who did give them time of day
It's interesting to hear an interview almost entirely done in the passive voice...Everything is done *to* him, and he paints this series of events as inevitable, like he never had the power to change its course, but we as rational human beings know there is a series of decisions that could have been made differently that at any point would have upset this course of events that led to that young lady's death.
Sounds like he's just trying to explain how it happened. We don't get to hear the questions that were asked... which would make a big difference.
@@awkwardautisticSTILL NO Accountability.
I've seen other interviews with this guy and he seemed somewhat genuine in his remorse in other interviews I've seen from years ago. That being said the other guy is a weasel.
@@awkwardautistic The questions really wouldn’t make a big difference for me. It still sounds to me like he has more work to do in coming to terms with his active participation. It comes off as an attempt to make excuses for an inexcusable act.
I have two sons, both grown now, THANK GOODNESS! lol, but my youngest used to have anxiety and stress issues, even as a child. One time, when he was a little older, around 17 years old, he got really mad about something while I'm home. The look in his eyes, the rage and anger, was terrifying. I told him to go somewhere, leave. I wasn't scared because he knows I'll never tolerate this nor am I afraid physically. Yes, he could easily hurt me but he had the chance. He stared at me for the longest 30 seconds I've experienced and I sternly looked at him and pointed to the door. Thankfully he left and cooled down. Yes, my heart was racing.
A couple hours later, he came in and apologized. He didn't know what made him so angry. But the ONE THING he said that was a huge warning, was 'I feel nothing' ... THAT WAS SCARY.
His Dad and I convinced him to talk to someone. After a year, he had gotten a great job, bought his first house at 20 years old, and just a month ago, he called me and in our conversation he said, " mom... I found out that my anger is not because of you or Dad...I just needed you to know this."
I was so relieved because he said he had a break through in counseling. His life could have easily gone down this path. I empathize parents who have had to cope with this.
I'm so lucky, grateful and proud of how things turned out for us. When you got serious and asked us how 'hard it must be to find this out as a parent'... I've heard this story years ago and it's relevant in today's society. I sat this because Covid changed the world and our teenagers suffered the most. We will be paying the price for this later. Thanks Bruce and Michael, as always, good work.
All I heard him do was blame blame blame and NEVER did I hear him say he was sorry he took her life. It was EVERYONE else's fault. After all these years he's learned NOTHING
I can’t believe Cassie had the nerve to stay there alone after the noises they heard and the lights going out. I can’t imagine how her boyfriend and his Mom felt to realize how they were so close to being killed too! We live with some very sick people in this world ! Bruce I would have gone to the dance with you! I think you are a class act! I share your common sense about life and sense of humor! How great you have this channel to share with your son. I am very close with my daughters as well.
Mr. Rivers’ comment about the circumstance at the loss of Michael’s mother stopped me in my tracks. I cannot find the words to express my sympathies. 😔
Me too I never knew that about him that would have to be an horrific thing to have happen. I have lost close friends to suicide the toll it takes on their families is heartbreaking there is a lot of sadness and guilt that haunts the people closest to them. Glad to see both Bruce and Michael have bounced back and now have a close relationship and have a successful and happy life now as a lawyer and CZcams celebrity influencing millions of people.
Assuming it's Michaels mother? He's mentioned being divorced before, this could be a different wife
It was Michael's mother so let us be nice never an easy road ...
@@barleychaser1 Mr Rivers basically says that it Michael’s mother.
I never heard you mention before.. Condolences about your wife, sir. Glad it’s made you stronger
I've never met a grateful adopted child. I know a couple with awesome parents, and they still have a lot of issues with their adoptions.
This one made me unexpectedly cry, not because of this particular case, but because of what Mr Bruce shared with us and so many in the community sharing in the comments.
Thank you so much for sharing. Crying is healing 😇 (edit: I don't mean we ever completely heal from such profound loss, but my crying feels like a good cleansing. )
If this was my son I would never speak to him again. I wouldn’t go to his trial but I would ask the court to give him the maximum sentence. He would be nothing to me.
My sister got us to school in the morning. We lived in the middle of nowhere with basically no parental guidance. I was also bullied and didn’t have a good experience in school. I’m a CPA now. I don’t like to deny that people’s upbringing can cause harm, but I also have a hard time empathizing when I grew up in a shit situation and I didn’t end up murdering a schoolmate. I don’t know. Maybe there’s something I’m missing but never once did these thoughts cross my mind. I don’t know.
Same. I grew up in a shit hole situation, and I flew out of there ASAP 18 years old thinking I could be a movie star! I literally came to Hollywood! I have never lived like trash my whole life. I’ve been a health nut, taken care of myself, and always offeredoffer something positive to my communities.
You’re not missing something, they are. They’re completely missing the capacity for empathy, because they’re psychopaths.
Right -me too
Me too! My father left when I was 4 to drink his life away at a beach park with his buddies. Yet I was the only one there to hold his hand when he died. He never talked to me unless I would find him at the beach park. My mother is cold and no love for me, left the house at 15 and put myself through college. Now she is lonely and wants to be a grandma to my boy, so funny, she has no remorse and somehow forgot how she treated her own kids.
So he turned from murderer into self-pitying pseudo-intellectual. What pwrsonal growth
They often do. BTK for example
That kid is a psychopath. He should NEVER get out of prison.
This one's too dark for me, it's disturbing that people like this exist! Congratulations on your channel success guys😊
All the best from Glasgow, Scotland.
Thats a good view of him. Dark. Im like you. To dark for me
@@dianabranham7332 Agreed, I have to protect what I put in my mind. I know there's evil out there but this one is too disturbing.
Okay little butterfly close your eyes 😂
@@Sx10ix6 Why? I have the off button... Love butterflies 🦋 If that was an insult, it's terrible.
I agree, I don't want to watch this.
I do like the channel, but listening to insanity is hard.
7:22 I feel so bad for Cassie's parents, having to live with the knowledge that their beautiful daughter's life was taken away from her, just on a whim. As the parent of a daughter myself, I know how precious she is to me and if anything happened to her (God forbid it!) I wouldn't want to carry on without her. My heart goes out to them, truly. What a horrible and totally senseless attack.
He’s trying to act like he has remorse, as he’s been told he should, but he doesn’t feel it, or understand it so he fails miserably
IT ABSOLUTELY BOILS MY BLOOD That that THAT "INTERVIEW " IS GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANTED ! WTF ???
“Be a force for good.” Thank you Bruce. Heartbreaking and terrifying real life story. Thank you Michael.
Bruce and Michael- I am so sorry to hear about your wife and mother. I lost my brother to his own hand in 2013 and it’s something no one can possibly understand until they go through that loss themselves. My heart and sincere prayers go out for you both and for her. May she rest in peace.
Bruce, I’m so sorry for your and Michael’s loss . Our family lost my great niece to the same tragic end. She was 24 years old with a budding new career, and a 4 year old son. Our family has never been the same, even distant relatives and friends were heartbroken.
My deepest condolences over the loss of your wife in 2003 and the content geniuses mom. 🙏 keep doing what you both do because it helps all of us.
Jennifer Crumbley's trial begins tomorrow, it will be interesting to hear Bruce's take on the proceedings.
Oh wow, it starts tomorrow?? Kool. Thanx for the info ✌🏻
This was the most horrific crime ever. This poor girl went through hell. The fear she must have felt, being chased around her Aunt's home, by two "strangers' in scream masks. Who knows what they did to her, before they murdered her. He is a monster. Bruce and Michael - I am so sorry about your wife/Mother, and how it affected you both. That is really sad.
As a clinical psychologist I watch some of these and think “That wasn’t preventable” and some I think “That was preventable”. This one was completely preventable.
I love you're just "translating" the guy's interview into basic realities. The one thing to add is the REASON some kids go off the rails is not JUST lack of direction from responsible adults, but an overwhelming INPUT from endless online pollution, destroying kid's abilities to connect with reality and real life consequences.
When I was a teen I loved horror movies and loved first person shooter that never made me think to shoot or kill people
Same
At first it was because his parents sheltered him (even though he was clearly not a sheltered kid), then it was because he was adopted, because of horror movies, because he wasn't popular, because no one spoke out (even though they did), etc.
He'll tell any and every narrative that it isn't his fault.
CLR... can we all agree that BRUCE / MICHAEL are dropping BANGERS. ??? We are getting 1hr vids almost daily..DAM
THANK YOU GUYS .
I agree. I'm happy with all the extra content. I study all the things said and make notes on law advice he gives. I use his rules in Minnesota to have any idea where to look for Oklahoma.
THANK YOU for making it crystal clear to all that victimhood and blaming others is no excuse for evil behaviour.
Bruce and Content Genius, my heart breaks for you both. Thank you for being so open and genuine. We love you. 😢❤
In the 90s for four years I taught at an alternative school. The way you got there when you got expelled or you committed a crime outside of school time. These were junior high school kids 7 to 9th grade. We had one period today where we had a few kids and it was basically social skills, behavior, skills, life skills, I had my kids keep a journal. We had a writing prompt every day and frequently I would write back to them. It was a great way of communicating. Friday’s question was always what are you going to do this weekend and Monday’s question was what did you do this weekend . I always said don’t tell me anything I have to go to the police officer about. Yeah, self snitching was definitely a thing. They wrote about the robberies they participated, in the drugs they took, sex they had , thedrive-bys. Always interesting reads. Our campus police officer really appreciated my weekend prompts.
Omg how stupid can kids get?!
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So to summarize, alternative school is completely pointless.
@@miketexas4549I went to an alternative school and it was the only reason I graduated high school. The small classes, the one-on-one interaction with teachers, and the care and compassion shown to us students was life-changing. I still stay in touch with my teachers today and I graduated in 1995. So no, alternative school is not pointless. Teachers can only do so much. When kids are outside of school hours, it’s also their parents and other authority figures responsible to guide the child as well. You can’t blame a school for not being able to control a kids entire life.
Campus police appreciated your weekend prompts?
Why?... we're they reading about which crime was committed and by whom?
I saw a comment from another person who did time in the same penitentiary as him on another interrogation video who said they had him in PC and only allowed him two left shoes to walk around limping and wouldn’t provide details about the nasty things done to his and the other guy’s dinner trays. Needless to say, it got plenty of thumbs up.
Hi Bruce. You and Michael contribute SO MUCH to the YT community, by evaluating these videos. I love how you call out the obvious truths w/o giving a pass to criminals. At the same time, your compassion for people comes through! Thank you for your vulnerability in sharing the loss of your wife years ago. I'm sorry for yours and Michael's loss. ❤
To answer the question of “if your son or daughter was in prison for senseless murder, would you go see them?” The answer is an absolute no. That poor girl died not only senselessly, but she died being terrified.
I had both my parents around growing up but was abused and trapped in that house for years with no help or means of escape.. so I feel your pain but we are warriors 💯
Huge kudos to Michael. Your father has probably already gathered generational wealth. I really admire your creativity in seeing how amusing, knowledgeable and fair your father is. If anyone should want drunken videos of my father struggling to pay his bills let me know.
This is a case study of how putting this 16 year old in prison for life is still the right decision after all these years, dude never matured beyond 16
Saying “My victim” sounds more like counseling terminology. Typically reformed criminals refer to people they’ve victimized in that manner.
My Uncle was an over the road trucker. He wasn’t home for long periods of time. Would have a couple days home and be on the road again. This guy has all the excuses in the world.
It's good he wasn't an under the road trucker.
I watch true crime to watch victims/survivors get justice. I was a latchkey kid, father was an alcoholic womanizer who was obsessed with golf and would come home drunk and would fight with my bipolar mother. Both of my parents would abuse me when they were actually home.
My mom remarried and my stepfather started to physically abuse and molest me. I was finally taken out of their custody on the day that my stepfather attempted to rape me at 14 years old.
My stepfather only got 15 months in jail, in protective custody getting special treatment.
My parents were never punished despite years of abuse and visible injuries seen by my own social worker.
I never got justice so I watch other victims/survivors get their justice. I have to believe that the justice system works for someone.
You watch it because you're a busy body
I'm so sorry you had to live that way
@@DD-zh4bywhat the heck is wrong with you
Why does it seem all of us latchkey kids have almost the same story??
I'm so sorry to hear about your wife. I can't imagine how difficult that was for you and your children. Thank you for sharing that and love to you all.
This case is extremely sickening and senseless also the depravity of these teens is shocking. I really feel sorry for that poor girl and her family who did not deserve this. Great video as always Bruce.
Remember people you won’t change your mental and physical health for the better and you won’t change your life for the better if you aren’t 100% honest and aren’t accountable
i focus so hard on my physical health that i feel i may be just trying to cover my mental health from people.
My heart just aches so much for Cassie and her family left behind :(
Dear Content Genius Michael,
I am so very sorry that your Mother left you in the way she did. Trauma is so much harder than a natural death. Thank God you have your father and such a strong relationship. I was abandoned at birth and not having a Mom has overshadowed so much of my life. My Dad adopted me when I was a week old. I worked with him until I left for college. I am 62 and he is still the hero of my life. I wish for you all the Love and Goodness that this world has to offer. Your father will always protect you (just like mine did when my ex tried to murder me). I believe some Souls are here to experience what others havent, and transmute the pain of trauma, to benefit others.
It doesnt seem fair. Its not something we choose now, but you are already making a big difference by creating and producing your fathers channel.
God Bless 🙏
Brian… did you know right from wrong? Exactly. You knew what you were doing was wrong, period.
Hi Bruce! Last night, on Emily D Bakers Members Only Chat, we decided that you are the most hilarious of those who cover the law. Emily agreed. The Law Nerds love you! I was so happy to find that out! ❤
She charges you to chat? Is that like only fans? Paying for attention?
@@kathymichael2323
No. Only fans? Lol.
She charges for membership.
Just like Bruce.
Attention seeking?
Lighten up.
@@WarriorLori CZcams pays content creators. Beyond that is simple greed. Many content creators don't skim their viewers.
@@kathymichael2323what the hell are you yapping about?
@@luisdelgado6248 greedy content creators. Lovers of mammon. Egotistical failures that fleece unwitting sycophants.
When he says, he's learned and loved and just wishes it "didn't have to take a person dying" to learn the value of life, his disassociation from the enormity of his actions and depersonalization of his victim says everything about his broken mind.
Love your channel Bruce. I really appreciate how open you were about the tragedy that happened in your life. Your content is amazing.
Brian is blaming others. He had alot of friends. Also beautiful. Cassey.
From experience and observation, always make sure your child knows they are adopted. My parents told us every night since we were babies, “goodnight, you’re adopted and that means you’re extra loved.” So we always knew and never got “the news”. We never had any issues with it and are insanely close family. I had friends who were told later, it does create a lot of issues when you find out later. No excusing him, but just giving advice as it does mess a lot of people up
Thank you for posting this. For me I've always believed just tell your kids. They can handle pretty much anything as long as they know you trust them to be able to, are in it with them, there for them, and love them.
I would NEVER let this POS out of jail, he takes zero responsibility for what he did and blames everyone else, sicking that a innocent girl lost her life for NOTHING! Her poor parents OMG and her friends many people were effected by her senseless murder.
I had a dream about you Bruce last night. You were helping my dad with a case. My dad passed in 2020. I was just happy to see my dad even in a dream.
Love ❤ watching your channel, so informative and entertaining. You talk about such a variety of things and I appreciate that.thank you